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[Tequitos]

I'm writing a fan fic about the Morrigan/ Leliana triangle. Kind of humourus bout don't know if I should continue it.



I just want to hear the opinions of Morri fans on the Lel/ Morri triangle.



Its just an introduction but I need some opinions.



http://www.fanfictio...ngles_made_Easy

[Zjarcal]

Brockololly wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

Btw is this the biggest DA thread on this site? I have yet to see one bigger.

The original Alistair gush thread was 2400 pages long.

http://social.biowar...7/index/2202899

BAH- but this thread is 400+ pages of page long rants and epic posts- quality over quantity people!

Oh don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting the Alistair thread was better.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the 400+ pages on this thread are actually of discussion, something that I find highly commendable.

Carry on Morri fans! Well, I'm a Morri fan too but I'm not good at posting huge rants!

[UFOash]

Morrigans God son wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

Btw is this the biggest DA thread on this site? I have yet to see one bigger.

The original Alistair gush thread was 2400 pages long.

http://social.biowar...7/index/2202899 
 

Well who doesn't like Alistair?  
Some people don't seem to like Morrigan, because of her "attitude" but meh she was raised by Flemeth, so its excusable.

I take it that this thread has been locked before?

I can see plenty of reasons why people wouldn't like Alistair.

There are plenty of ****y girls out there (no offence) but not so many oversensitive soldiers.

Not to mention his terrible jokes.

EDIT: quote added

Modifié par UFOash, 01 octobre 2010 - 10:33 .

[kag666]

Awkwaaaard...

[Morrigans God son]

Tequitos wrote...

I'm writing a fan fic about the Morrigan/ Leliana triangle. Kind of humourus bout don't know if I should continue it.

I just want to hear the opinions of Morri fans on the Lel/ Morri triangle.

Its just an introduction but I need some opinions.

http://www.fanfictio...ngles_made_Easy

Well its too short to judge.
My favourite Morrigan fan fic is... http://www.fanfictio...ge_Black_Warden
whoever that guy is he can really write em!

lol @ at that pic!

[UFOash]

kag666 wrote...

Awkwaaaard...

Ha!

[MKDAWUSS]

UFOash wrote...

kag666 wrote...

Awkwaaaard...

Ha!

She's not breastfeeding?

[kag666]

MKDAWUSS wrote...
She's not breastfeeding?

I'm not an expert, but I assume Witches of the Wild who are seeking "Great Power" while lugging around a kid and satisfying a horny Cousland need their calcium too.

[UFOash]

Not to mention I bet Archdemon babies have some bite on them.

[Mr Plow]

UFOash wrote...

Not to mention I bet Archdemon babies have some bite on them.

I think bottle feeding may be the order of the day for Morri


Still waiting for the Xbox Witch Hunt patch....

[revan11exile]

[quote]kag666 wrote...

Awkwaaaard...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

[smilie]http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j234/gakk/morrigan-doh.jpg[/smilie]

Modifié par revan11exile, 02 octobre 2010 - 10:22 .

[soundchaser721]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

Still waiting for the Xbox Witch Hunt patch....

Since it was already finished and submitted to Sony and Microsoft for console approval, its Microsoft's fault for the delay.

DAMN YOU MICROSOFT! You evil console/PC company who is denying Bioware the right to give fans the autosave after witch hunt!! Damnit I want my decision to go through the mirror with Morrigan to transfer!

I have yet to experience an un-bugged witch hunt ending, still waiting for the 360 patch. Friggin' microsoft.

[Jarlof Seoul]

kag666 wrote...

Awkwaaaard...

Loool! Have to put those hard won Warden quest winnings to work...

[Dhanik]

Why didn't they take Dog with them? Bunch of A-holes.

[Barbarossa2010]

soundchaser721 wrote...

PureMethodActor wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

Still waiting for the Xbox Witch Hunt patch....

Since it was already finished and submitted to Sony and Microsoft for console approval, its Microsoft's fault for the delay.

DAMN YOU MICROSOFT! You evil console/PC company who is denying Bioware the right to give fans the autosave after witch hunt!! Damnit I want my decision to go through the mirror with Morrigan to transfer!

I have yet to experience an un-bugged witch hunt ending, still waiting for the 360 patch. Friggin' microsoft.

Ditto.  At least Shadow Broker was executed superbly.  Hear that DA Team?  May want to peek across the cubicle wall and take a note or two.

Sorry...Rage Demon assumes control on occassion.

[Brockololly]

I had another epic post all set and...closed my browser..grrrrr...

So instead, I'll remind everyone that if you're in Morrigan withdrawal, MySims SkyHeroes is out now!



And on an off topic DA2 note- at least insofar as DA2 turning into Dragon Effec with a voiced PC and allt- check out this from former Lead Designer of Origins, Brent Knowles, who left BioWare last year before Origins came out.

Discussion on Dragon Age 2 began around this time and looking ahead I  knew that I wasn’t going to be satisfied with what Dragon Age 2 would  be. Party control/tactical combat are huge factors in my enjoyment of a  role-playing game as is adopting the role of the hero (i.e., customizing my character). I was fairly certain Dragon Age would transition towards more of a Mass Effect experience, which while enjoyable is not the type of role-playing game I play. Could I be the lead designer on such a  title? Certainly… though if I were going to work on a game adopting a  set-in-stone protagonist I’d rather work on something lighter, like a shooter.

Off topic, but I guess you could say it pertains to the prospect of our Warden coming back with Morrigan, if the devs keep going down the ME route of predefined hero...

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 octobre 2010 - 05:10 .

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...

I had another epic post all set and...closed my browser..grrrrr...

Goddammit Brock, sort it out! Copy & paste it into notepad or something. We've not had an epic post for a while now and we certainly need one lest we descend into pic spamming.

Brockololly wrote...

So instead, I'll remind everyone that if you're in Morrigan withdrawal, MySims SkyHeroes is out now!

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

My Morri-withdrawal is pretty much peaking right about now but I think I'd rather wait for some more DW pages. It's pretty annoying as DA:O was one of those rare games that really raised the bar on character interaction and development - to the point where it has a detrimental effect on my enjoyment of other titles which don't meet that standard.

Brockololly wrote...
And on an off topic DA2 note- at least insofar as DA2 turning into Dragon Effec with a voiced PC and allt- check out this from former Lead Designer of Origins, Brent Knowles, who left BioWare last year before Origins came out.

Discussion on Dragon Age 2 began around this time and looking ahead I  knew that I wasn’t going to be satisfied with what Dragon Age 2 would  be. Party control/tactical combat are huge factors in my enjoyment of a  role-playing game as is adopting the role of the hero (i.e., customizing my character). I was fairly certain Dragon Age would transition towards more of a Mass Effect experience, which while enjoyable is not the type of role-playing game I play. Could I be the lead designer on such a  title? Certainly… though if I were going to work on a game adopting a  set-in-stone protagonist I’d rather work on something lighter, like a shooter.

Off topic, but I guess you could say it pertains to the prospect of our Warden coming back with Morrigan, if the devs keep going down the ME route of predefined hero...

Ugh, now you've put me in negative mode Brock. I found the shooter comment quite ironic considering the thin line that ME straddles... It's like I've said before - you'll only get someone's genuine opinion once they've left the company's employ, so I tend to chuckle when the devs tell me that DA2 is definitely "better" than DA:O. It's very telling if the lead designer is unable to get on board with the new vision for DA moving forwards.

How this relates to Morrigan & our wardens - I guess there's a greater than average chance that Morrigan fans will be shafted imo, despite what WH suggests, in all likelihood the mirror ending and the change warning/gift could just be the bone we're being thrown as you said earlier Brock. I do try to remain hopeful but whenever something like this emerges all the worst case scenarios pop back into my mind. Should the worst happen and we get Morri back with no sign of the warden I'll likely just take the WH ending or ximena's work as the end of that story and leave it & DA at that. I'll end there before I go into a full blown rant again [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie].

[ximena]

Terra_Ex wrote...


My Morri-withdrawal is pretty much peaking right about now but I think I'd rather wait for some more DW pages. It's pretty annoying as DA:O was one of those rare games that really raised the bar on character interaction and development - to the point where it has a detrimental effect on my enjoyment of other titles which don't meet that standard.

Heh. I'm undergoing Morri (and Edric) withdrawal as well. Too bad I won't be able to work on some new pages extensively till most of the last work for the semester gets done. (Got one final project thrown out the window with flying colors the other day, so yay!) 

Now I'm just waiting for my brain to break from extensive Morrigan (and Edric) withdrawal. Brain breaking pushes me to draw. XD

Now I just remember that it's funny to note that Morrigan is the most popular pick for the Gender-swap challenge of one Dragon Age deviantART group, thedragonages. She has been submitted by ten artist as entries (including me. lol)  P.S. BROCK DON'T LOOK. YOU WILL ONLY BLEED YOUR PURE EYES OUT. XD Also, I warn other Morrigan purists out there. Hahaha.

[MoSa09]

Brockololly wrote...

I had another epic post all set and...closed my browser..grrrrr...

you're making a habit out of that, don't you? As Terry said, copy the text into notepad or write it there, and after you're finished copy it into your browser to post it. Or are just running out of ideas and try to fool us?

Brockololly wrote...

So instead, I'll remind everyone that if you're in Morrigan withdrawal, MySims SkyHeroes is out now!

Excuse me while i go projectile vomiting

Brockololly wrote...
And on an off topic DA2 note- at least insofar as DA2 turning into Dragon Effec with a voiced PC and allt- check out this from former Lead Designer of Origins, Brent Knowles, who left BioWare last year before Origins came out.

Discussion on Dragon Age 2 began around this time and looking ahead I  knew that I wasn’t going to be satisfied with what Dragon Age 2 would  be. Party control/tactical combat are huge factors in my enjoyment of a  role-playing game as is adopting the role of the hero (i.e., customizing my character). I was fairly certain Dragon Age would transition towards more of a Mass Effect experience, which while enjoyable is not the type of role-playing game I play. Could I be the lead designer on such a  title? Certainly… though if I were going to work on a game adopting a  set-in-stone protagonist I’d rather work on something lighter, like a shooter.

Off topic, but I guess you could say it pertains to the prospect of our Warden coming back with Morrigan, if the devs keep going down the ME route of predefined hero...

And here i was, getting a little excited about DA 2 and now this. Its certainly telling that many people who worked on DAO in leading positions and made the game as great as it is left, and the ones responsible for DA 2 are different people, selling a different kind of game, while trying to make us believe its still the same awesome as before...
I must admit, i do wanna know how the story continues, but that is the only thing driving me to buy the game. If they would offer that as a book, or a cheap video download with just the cutscenes, i'd take that and ignore the game.

And some Flemeth/Morrigan speculation: anyone still remember the penny arcade comics back when Origins was released? Flemeth casts some magic that made the trees come alive, something that more resembles dalish than human magic. Some kind of magic Velanna can do, but Morrigan cannot. Flemeth does something alike in "The Stolen throne".
Maybe she is not only aligned to the elven, but she is elven herself, at least partly? Maybe even an elven god, crushed by the chantry and the makers belief, looking for revenge? Or the child of a Tevinter mage with an elf, cast aside by society, hatred for mankind that lost everything throughout the war, just being a bastard of a worthless race in the eyes of the new rulers of the world?
And what would make that of Morrigan, if she is Flemeth real daughter, which i doubt more than ever before.
If Flemeth is not even truly human, i cannot imagine her giving birth to a baby. And Morrigan does not show concern that she is not truly human herself.

[UFOash]

Do we know that Flemeth isn't human? Is this specultion or has something been revealed as to what Flemeth really is in one of the books or something?

I don't know about Flemeth, assuming her body ages as a normal human (which from what were told is true, although its hardly above Morrigan or Flemeth to lie) you'd think she'd want to be getting into her new body pretty soon.

She doesn't seem terribly bothered that the Warden is at least stalling her, and she mentions this has happened before, but shes still here.
All this bloody mystery! why does Flemeth even need Morrigans/Her Daughters body so bad if she can possess anybody?


tbh Flemeth didn't seem that evil to me, in fact she seemed quite nice even when I came to kill her.

Modifié par UFOash, 03 octobre 2010 - 02:34 .

[MoSa09]

UFOash wrote...

Do we know that Flemeth isn't human? Is this specultion or has something been revealed as to what Flemeth really is in one of the books or something?

I don't know about Flemeth, assuming her body ages as a normal human (which from what were told is true, although its hardly above Morrigan or Flemeth to lie) you'd think she'd want to be getting into her new body pretty soon.

She doesn't seem terribly bothered that the Warden is at least stalling her, and she mentions this has happened before, but shes still here.
All this bloody mystery! why does Flemeth even need Morrigans/Her Daughters body so bad if she can possess anybody?


tbh Flemeth didn't seem that evil to me, in fact she seemed quite nice even when I came to kill her.

In Witch Hunt, Morrigan tells you Flemeth is not truly human. Of course, you do not have to believe her, as she gives no evidence of her claim.

thats all assuming the huma form we see is her true self. We know she can shapeshift into a dragon, and legend indicates she can also shapeshift into different humans. So the old Flemeth that seems to be in need of another body does not have to be the real Flemeth. Maybe her true self is the Dragon form, maybe something else we have never seen before.

And that possessment story. Morrigan doesn't mention it in Witch Hunt, but she said she though Flemeth is seeking immortality but she was wrong, and Flemeth seeks something different. I am not sure that story of Flemeth snatching bodies is true. Maybe Flemeth just fooled Morrigan to believe that, to hide her real plans from her until its too late

Modifié par MoSa09, 03 octobre 2010 - 02:39 .

[UFOash]

MoSa09 wrote...

UFOash wrote...

Do we know that Flemeth isn't human? Is this specultion or has something been revealed as to what Flemeth really is in one of the books or something?

I don't know about Flemeth, assuming her body ages as a normal human (which from what were told is true, although its hardly above Morrigan or Flemeth to lie) you'd think she'd want to be getting into her new body pretty soon.

She doesn't seem terribly bothered that the Warden is at least stalling her, and she mentions this has happened before, but shes still here.
All this bloody mystery! why does Flemeth even need Morrigans/Her Daughters body so bad if she can possess anybody?


tbh Flemeth didn't seem that evil to me, in fact she seemed quite nice even when I came to kill her.

In Witch Hunt, Morrigan tells you Flemeth is not truly human. Of course, you do not have to believe her, as she gives no evidence of her claim.

thats all assuming the huma form we see is her true self. We know she can shapeshift into a dragon, and legend indicates she can also shapeshift into different humans. So the old Flemeth that seems to be in need of another body does not have to be the real Flemeth. Maybe her true self is the Dragon form, maybe something else we have never seen before.

And that possessment story. Morrigan doesn't mention it in Witch Hunt, but she said she though Flemeth is seeking immortality but she was wrong, and Flemeth seeks something different. I am not sure that story of Flemeth snatching bodies is true. Maybe Flemeth just fooled Morrigan to believe that, to hide her real plans from her until its too late

Well Morrigan can shapeshift too.
Not sure about High Dragons (a drake may be in her power) but not sure we know the extent of Morrigans shapeshift abilities either.
Morrigan could also be mascarading by that logic.

Ah I haven't played WH yet you see figured I'd wait for the console patch, but yeah as I said (and you said) Morrigan has advised plenty of immoral things I'm sure a bit of lying wouldn't be beyond her.

We assume Morrigan is the "good guy", if there is one.
Its been said Morrigan & Flemeth may be in league with eachother, I doubt that but all we really have on Flemeth are tales & Morrigan is hardly a saint from what we see of her attitude in origins.

Flemeth did save the Wardens, Flemeths main goal could be this old god child, but because they're so mysterious & iffy we don't really know.
If it is I wonder what she wants to do with it.

Modifié par UFOash, 03 octobre 2010 - 02:52 .

[MoSa09]

UFOash wrote...

Well Morrigan can shapeshift too.
Not sure about High Dragons (a drake may be in her power) but not sure we know the extent of Morrigans shapeshift abilities either.

I have my doubts Morrigan can shapeshift into a dragon. Shapeshifting, as far as we know, includes studying the creature you want to turn into. So, to shapeshift into a dragon, Morrigan would have need time to study a dragon. And given her surprise and her intial reaction throughout the game when you first meet one, i doubt she has done that, either with her mother in dragon form or any other dragon. I have no doubts she is capable of that, but its not just about magical powers but opportunity.

UFOash wrote...
Ah I haven't played WH yet you see figured I'd wait for the console patch, but yeah as I said (and you said) Morrigan has advised plenty of immoral things I'm sure a bit of lying wouldn't be beyond her.

Morrigan never advised immoral things. She advised things that sound cruel to use but make perfect sense. Abandoning Redcliffe sounds cruel, but you and Alistair are human beings, they could cannot reload and are the two remaining Wardens that need to save all of Ferelden. So while leaving Redcliffe to die might sound cruel, but in the longrun, you could save more lifes doing so than if you fight and die there. Almost all her points are like that. Hard choices, but not immoral. Of course lying is not beyond her, but well, look at your party. When it comes down to lying, she is by far not the only one who is lying to you.

UFOash wrote...
We assume Morrigan is the "good guy", if there is one.
Its been said Morrigan & Flemeth may be in league with eachother, I doubt that but all we really have on Flemeth are tales & Morrigan is hardly a saint from what we see of her attitude in origins.

Course Morrigan is no saint, but as said above, she is not cuel or immoral. Her whole romance is a matter of trust, and i trust her more than i do trust Flemeth.

UFOash wrote...
Flemeth did save the Wardens, Flemeths main goal could be this old god child, but because they're so mysterious & iffy we don't really know.
If it is I wonder what she wants to do with it.

For all its worth, we awoke in Flemeth hut and Morrigan told us Flemeth saved us. And she only told the tell Flemeth told her. I agree its unlikely, but Flemeth being one of the Tevinter mages who were turned into Darkspawn when entering the black city could as well turned into her real form and told her dumb brothers to let us go and told Morrigan some lies about what happened when returning.
As said, unlikely, i just wanted to make a point that we do not really know if and how Flemeth rescued us, and i seriously doubt she did it just because she was concerned about the fate of the world. Morrigan might be lying to us, but Flemeth is playing even more sinister tricks with us, and the poor old hag living in the swamp and just wants the Darkspawn defeated to live in peace is something i do not buy.

Modifié par MoSa09, 03 octobre 2010 - 03:05 .

[Brockololly]

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
Goddammit Brock, sort it out! Copy & paste it into notepad or something. We've not had an epic post for a while now and we certainly need one lest we descend into pic spamming.[/quote]
Haha- all right lets try this again...

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
My Morri-withdrawal is pretty much peaking right about now but I think I'd rather wait for some more DW pages. It's pretty annoying as DA:O was one of those rare games that really raised the bar on character interaction and development - to the point where it has a detrimental effect on my enjoyment of other titles which don't meet that standard.[/quote]
Yeah, I've been playing Just Cause 2 for some mindless fun and my god is the writing/voice acting hilariously bad. But I think thats part of the point there- its like a bad Steven Segal/ 80's action movie. But that engine that runs the game is absolutely gorgeous- seriously, what I'd give to have an open world DA game with that engine. Its just so amazing to look up see some gigantic snow capped mountains far off in the distance and have the ability to trek up that mountain- its a great sense of exploration and scale in that game.

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
Ugh, now you've put me in negative mode Brock. I found the shooter comment quite ironic considering the thin line that ME straddles... It's like I've said before - you'll only get someone's genuine opinion once they've left the company's employ, so I tend to chuckle when the devs tell me that DA2 is definitely "better" than DA:O. It's very telling if the lead designer is unable to get on board with the new vision for DA moving forwards.[/quote]
Yeah, the thing is Knowles seemed a bit disspirited with BioWare getting eaten up by EA then you've got the decision to inject ME into DA. Thats nothing against Laidlaw or Darrah necessarily, but after reading Knowles' blog and thinking how former executive producer Dant Tudge left after they delayed the PC version and how other people like James Ohlen, DA's first lead designer, are working on TOR now- I'm weary of the direction they're taking DA. I just hope they really reaize why people liked DAO- many people liked DA and bought DAO because it wasn't like Mass Effect and they want different kinds of RPGs.

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
How this relates to Morrigan & our wardens - I guess there's a greater than average chance that Morrigan fans will be shafted imo, despite what WH suggests, in all likelihood the mirror ending and the change warning/gift could just be the bone we're being thrown as you said earlier Brock. I do try to remain hopeful but whenever something like this emerges all the worst case scenarios pop back into my mind. Should the worst happen and we get Morri back with no sign of the warden I'll likely just take the WH ending or ximena's work as the end of that story and leave it & DA at that. I'll end there before I go into a full blown rant again [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie].[/quote]
Yeah...it will be curious to see DA2's sales in relation to Origins. Its tricky- on one hand if it does worse, well maybe that would be a sign that Origins' old school formula was an asset. Yet if it does poorly, that might mean DA pulls a Jade Empire and dies right there. But then again, given the ME-ification of DA, should Morrigan appear again, that probably means either no Warden or turning the Warden into a voiced PC, which meh.... might work, but still, would be supremely strange watching a voiced Warden try to interact with Morrigan, especially with the romance dialogue- the bane of the voiced PC, IMO.

[quote]ximena wrote...
Heh. I'm undergoing Morri (and Edric) withdrawal as well. Too bad
I won't be able to work on some new pages extensively till most of the
last work for the semester gets done. (Got one final project thrown out
the window with flying colors the other day, so yay!) [/quote]
Yeah...while we've got DW, we won't be hearing any Claudia Black Morrigan voice for a couple years most likely...*sigh*

[quote]ximena wrote...
Now I just remember that it's funny to note that Morrigan is the most popular pick for the Gender-swap challenge of one Dragon Age deviantART group, thedragonages. She has been submitted by ten artist as entries (including me. lol)  P.S. BROCK DON'T LOOK. YOU WILL ONLY BLEED YOUR PURE EYES OUT. XD Also, I warn other Morrigan purists out there. Hahaha.
[/quote]

MY EYES! *head explodes* Even Aimo made "Morgan." Heh...Morrigan is a female, dammit!!! Heh- but Zevran as a female? Not too shabby...

[quote]MoSa09 wrote...
I must admit, i do wanna know how the story continues, but  that is the only thing driving me to buy the game. If they would offer  that as a book, or a cheap video download with just the cutscenes, i'd  take that and ignore the game.[/quote]
Yeah, the story and specifically Flemeth and Morrigan/Warden's story is what I'm most interested in going forward. That doesn't mean I want them to abandon everything else about Origins though. I mean, if they're going an ME route, I'm sorry,, but even besides the writing, the characters in ME2 feel hollow and shallow compared to DAO- are we going to get stuck with Morrigan making calibrations now after we exhaust all 2 lines of her dialogue?<_<

[quote]MoSa09 wrote...
And some Flemeth/Morrigan speculation: anyone still remember the penny  arcade comics back when Origins was released? Flemeth casts some magic  that made the trees come alive, something that more resembles dalish  than human magic. Some kind of magic Velanna can do, but Morrigan cannot. Flemeth does something alike in "The Stolen throne".[/quote]
Yup, I remember that comic.

Here are the last 2 pages for reference:



I was thinking that was Morrigan casting the tree spell that killed that Templar in the comic. But even so, I think the point still stands- like you said, Flemeth has the trees come alive in The Stolen Throne too. But I always wonder about Flemeth's line "You are a perfect creature and perfect for my purpose" - Is she simply alluding to the DR there or something more?

[quote]MoSa09 wrote...
Maybe she is not only aligned to the elven, but she is elven herself, at least partly? Maybe even an elven god, crushed by the chantry and the  makers belief, looking for revenge? Or the child of a Tevinter mage with an elf, cast aside by society, hatred for mankind that lost everything  throughout the war, just being a bastard of a worthless race in the eyes of the new rulers of the world?[/quote]
Could be- I mean there is all that speculation that Flemeth may be Fen'Harel, the trickster elven god. And you've got Morrigan saying in Witch Hunt how "My mother has tricked her way past death and even more. She is no more finished than I am."

Regardless though, Flemeth and Morrigan both have an  interest in the Dalish and Tevinter due to the fact that I think they both have the most sort of ancient, non-Chantry approved magic in Thedas. But there is some connection there, which I'll speculate on in a bit...

[quote]MoSa09 wrote...
And what would make that of Morrigan, if she is Flemeth real daughter, which i doubt more than ever before.
If Flemeth is not even truly human, i cannot imagine her giving birth to a baby. And Morrigan does not show concern that she is not truly human  herself. [/quote]
Seeing as DA Central is dead, I can't pull up the quote, but Gaide has said in the past that Morrigan is human. But, does that mean she is 100% human? I mean, if you're elf-blooded you're "human," maybe its the same with other things? This was speculated on in the DA2 forums, but maybe dragon form Flemeth got knocked up by a male dragon and then switched to human form to birth Morrigan- meaning Morrigan is part dragon? Maybe that explains the eyes? And maybe, like the Grey Wardens have the power of the Taint in their blood, Morrigan seeks to unlock the power thats locked in her draconic heritage? I mean, this is Dragon Age after all...


Oh and did anyone else get the code for the DA2 Staff of Parthalan? I think its the staff Hawke uses in the trailer- you get it if you sign up for DA2 newsletter. But yeah, Staff of Parthalan? Now what does that sound like? Oh, Arlathan! And here is the the description which has all the foreshadowing subtlety of a sledgehammer:

[quote]Magic has always run strongly within the Hawke bloodline. The tales  passed down from one generation to the next tell of an ancestor named  Parthalan, a mage who long ago helped to unite Ferelden under the rule  of King Calenhad. Parthalan eventually vanished into legend, fleeing the persecution of the Chantry, but his legacy remains in the hands of his  family - along with his hope that one day, mages would achieve the  freedom that King Calenhad intended to bring to all men.[/quote]

So yeah, that plus the bit with Flemeth leading her mage army against the Templars in the trailer? Seems the whole mage freedom bit and Arlathan could play a big role. Which could easily lead to Morrigan's return in DA3 (with the Warden, dammit!)
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Now for some Flemeth/Morrigan speculation/rambling!

So in DA2, it would seem that when Hawke and family run into Flemeth on their way to Gwaren after fleeing Lothering. And Flemeth instructs Hawke to deliver a package to the Dalish, possibly the Dalish clan from Origins. Then you have the fact that Flemeth lives in close proximity to the Dalish in the Korcari Wilds. And how FLemeth can control trees, like Velanna or the Dalish. Flemeth supposedly is immortal- not unlike the ancient elves of Arlathan time. And then you have Morrigan stealing the Dalish book on the Eluvians.

Now whether that means there is some deeper connection to the Dalish like MoSa alluded to or if that simply means Flemeth and Morrigan want to unlock the secrets of ancient Elven magic, I don't know.

But then again, the whole tree branch/vine motif is present in much of the art you see of Morrigan/Flemeth- for example:

This Morrigan poster:
http://biowarestore....1137f720370c65c

The Witch Hunt trailer:


The aforementioned Penny Arcade comic

And Morrigan's staff is all natural looking and rugged

And then you see the branches in this piece of DA2 intro art/cinematic in the bottom with the hooded figure (Morrigan?)


I think as far as the DA2 image above goes, it seems they're maybe ffurther delineating Flemeth with the more Dragon like and angular angle, while the hooded figure below retains the more nature oriented vibe.
So, yeah, what that means exactly? I don't know- it seems maybe they're just playing up the more Chasind/shapeshifter side of Morrigan by constantly associating her with trees/nature. And that jives with the whole Dalish angle.

Then you've got the intro scenes from Origins- with the Tevinters being turned into darkspawn and all. Again, you've got the nature/Dalish thing going on with ties to Flemeth/Morrigan:


So here we have a tree, very Dalish type of thing...


Then the tree loses all of its leaves, becoming barren. Very much similar to the barren tree on Flemeth's grimoire.

Hmmm.. so if you read the description of Flemeth's Black Grimoire, its reads:
[quote]A black leather-bound book with a tree on the cover.
[/quote]
So its got a tree on its cover....

The description to Flemeth's grimoire:
[quote]:
An old, but lovingly cared for book, bound in leather of
questionable origins. The pages smell of herbs and wood smoke. Intricate
stitching on the cover marks out a leafless tree, strangely ominous in
its stark appearance.
[/quote]
And now Flemeth's grimoire has a barren tree on the cover. Just like the barren tree in the Origins intro regarding the fall of the Tevinter mages into darkspawn.

So does the grimoire and the tree mean anything? One one hand maybe it has something to do with the Dalish- maybe, it symbolizes the loss of ancient elven immortality? Or does it have a more direct connection to the Tevinter mages and their supposed transformation in to darkspawn?

Possibly this is one of the reasons that upon asking Morrigan whether Flemeth had something to do with the Blight as an Orlesian in Witch Hunt, Morrigan says: "Perhaps more than even you would believe." That, plus Morrigan telling the Orlesian "Go. Tell your Wardens to be wary. Tell them to watch for what is to come." makes me think that Flemeth has some deep connection to the Old Gods or the darkspawn or the Magisters or the Blights. It makes me think that the change isn't necessarily just the mages being freed, but something tied to the Taint/darkspawn too. So maybe the freeing of the mages is simply step 1 in the overall change in Thedas as part of Flemeth's plan.

But thats confusing to me too. Morrigan seems very concerned over the true nature of Flemeth and tells the Orlesian in a somewhat worried tone to be wary of the change to come. Yet when she is giving her change speech, she sounds as if the change is something she wants to happen. I guess it comes down to how Morrigan/Flemeth relate to the change. Is it something Morrigan or Flemeth will be directly bringing about or is it something like a natural event, something thats coming regardless and they're just trying to use the "change" event to their own advantage and to their own ends?


I'm just rambling now- there is one other picture I'll post:

Probably just artistic nonsense, but notice the feathers on the left. Who else wears feathers? Morrigan, and in DA2 Flemeth. What that means, if anything? I have no clue.

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 octobre 2010 - 04:54 .