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[Shade of Wolf]

UFOash wrote...

"Think like a general, fight like a spartan"

Never heard that before till now, if DA2 is anything like 300 I'll end up stopping it after ten minutes and taking it back just like I did with 300!

I agree, I hope hope hope hope hope that whoever quoted that in the first place was an amateur at similes.
Hopeful?

[Morrigans God son]

"Think like a general, fight like a spartan"

Morrigan disapproves -30
Alistair disapproves -30
Leliana disapproves -30
Zevran approves +3
Wynne disapproves -30
Oghren disapproves -30
Sten "No."

Modifié par Morrigans God son, 06 octobre 2010 - 04:41 .

[Barbarossa2010]

ximena wrote...

I actually cringe every time Mike lashes that phrase out in his speeches/interviews. *shudders now* I am unsure why, but it just makes me cringe. XD (But perhaps it's my inner marketing copywriter self saying "NOOOOO!" at the phrase.)

And I say yes to the rant collection too. Maybe we could call it "The Morrigan Fan's (Pessimistic) Manifesto."

Or something. Haha.

Well, you shudder (as I do) because you intuitively know what "think like a general, fight like a Spartan" forebodes for the franchise:  dumbing-down, watering-down, and economizing by "streamlining" many of those pesky RPG "non-essentials" that younger players don't have the attention span for.  Add to that the fact that we now have a voiced protagonist, simplified (I'm sorry, "streamlined") dialogue, no Warden, no Morrigan, no returning companions and (basically) a stand-alone story that relies very little on the events from Origins, and your shudder turns to facepalm.  My other shudder moment is when I constantly hear, "you push a button and something happens."

In short, you're worried (as I am) that we're looking at a "streamlining" process like we saw from ME1 to ME2 which focuses on new and younger players, to the detriment of the current fan base.  But at least in ME2 there was a real attempt to bridge ME1 players into the ME2 story by bringing your companions back, or at least letting you interact with some of them in a meaningful way, not to mention the PC returns.  We will have nothing approaching meaningful from Origins in DA2, since Hawke is the new greatest man/woman in the universe...I mean, the Warden is sooo last year afterall.

I come from Bro-ville, I liked Origins precisely because it wasn't that. Pity really.

BTW, I'm all for a "best of" Morrigan rants collection.  Problem is, it might add another 100-200 pages to the thread.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 06 octobre 2010 - 05:09 .

[Morrigans God son]

Top rants would be epicness, but who would read through 419 pages of it, to find the best? The top ten rants should be sent to the writers.

[UFOash]

Morrigans God son wrote...

Top rants would be epicness, but who would read through 419 pages of it, to find the best? The top ten rants should be sent to the writers.

Lol, I'm sure they'd apreciate that

Assuming you meant the Bioware writers

[ejoslin]

The writers have heard the complaints, and have basically said, "Deal with it." DA2 is for a different audience than DA1 was for; I'm not sure why they went this route, but they did. It's kind of sad, because if DA:O had not been the absolutely amazing success it had been, with the younger crowd complaining, perhaps DA2 would not be dumbed down. Or perhaps it would not be made at all.



My hopes are on Obsidian right now. It's an interesting thing, though. FO3 was such a huge success, so they're changing it from an empty sandbox to adding more involved, deeper character interaction and more consequences regarding choices for FO:NV. DA:O had all that, and was a huge success, so they're changing as well to a third person narrative.



My point? I have none. Well, other than, maybe FO:NV really will be even more involving, and successful enough that DA3 (if it's made) will go back to a first person narrative. Either that, or I'm just really looking forward to FO:NV!

[TheBlackBaron]

ejoslin wrote...
My hopes are on Obsidian right now. It's an interesting thing, though. FO3 was such a huge success, so they're changing it from an empty sandbox to adding more involved, deeper character interaction and more consequences regarding choices for FO:NV. DA:O had all that, and was a huge success, so they're changing as well to a third person narrative.

My point? I have none. Well, other than, maybe FO:NV really will be even more involving, and successful enough that DA3 (if it's made) will go back to a first person narrative. Either that, or I'm just really looking forward to FO:NV!

Try telling that to a member of No Mutants Allowed. Fallout 3 has a broken base that makes our own communitie's split over DA2 look like a minor hairline fracture.

I am looking forward to New Vegas though - it'll be good to get back to the western deserts and see a little bit of where J.E. Sawyer wanted to take the abadoned Black Isle version of FO3.

[Morrigans God son]

I don't mind some changes, but these are major changes they made, and it doesn't even seem like DA anymore. I was disapointed at the start but now I'm...in the "meh" stage. I can't see myself enjoying DA2 as much as Origins. Everything they have annouced has not been exactly positive.



I'll pass on DA2, might borrow/rent from someone though. Plus I played Mass effect 2, and couldn't even get passed the voiced/wheel, Uhh...so I guess I'm out of luck huh?

Origins was well worth my money though, DA:O is stacked in my best-ever games! Kinda bummed I didn't get my questions answered in Witch Hunt, there was so much I needed to know!



It ended like....

*Kisses*

*Walks through mirror*

"Uh where am I going?"

I GOT NO ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheBlackBaron]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Were any of your Morrigan-romancing Wardens virgins before Morrigan? If so, do you think your warden(s) would have cried after the ...ahem... joining because of the emotional effect of the act? (of course they would be too manly to show that in front of Morrigan )

The only reason I could consider this viable in anyway is because its still a statistical fact that some guys can be that emotional after their first experience. And Morrigan is quite the woman, as we all know .


If anyone actually answers this, I'll be surprised. If anyone wants to kill me after such a question, I will NOT be so surprised...

My canon character is a male Human Noble. The odds of him being a virgin prior to meeting Morrigan must be astronomically low. 

[Morrigans God son]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Hmm... I never played any of the Fallout games but Fallout 3, and that game I quite enjoyed. Then again I like the Elder Scrolls series, which was very similar, so yeah...

ok we seriously need to get back on topic here, and I guess its an opportunity to bring up the REALLY STUPID POINTLESS HORRIBLE random question I mentioned earlier. I have no shame at all so that is why I will proceed to ask it:

Its a Morrigan romance-themed question, so if you were just friends with Morrigan, I... guess you'll have to sit out . This question is also from a purely RP standpoint, so just think of your own answer


THE question:

Were any of your Morrigan-romancing Wardens virgins before Morrigan? If so, do you think your warden(s) would have cried after the ...ahem... joining because of the emotional effect of the act? (of course they would be too manly to show that in front of Morrigan )

The only reason I could consider this viable in anyway is because its still a statistical fact that some guys can be that emotional after their first experience. And Morrigan is quite the woman, as we all know .


If anyone actually answers this, I'll be surprised. If anyone wants to kill me after such a question, I will NOT be so surprised...

I thought, he had  Delilah?
Confirmation please?

[Zjarcal]

PureMethodActor wrote...

HAHA good points. Forgot that most people here are Human Noble players

I shall answer the question, too, as I'm man enough.

Corviel Tabris, my main warden, my CE warrior, I think probably would have cried after such an encounter, as he was probably a virgin up until that point (consider that in the CE origin the arranged marriage your PC is supposed to have is broken up).

Since I already mentioned the relationship dynamics of the relationship between Corviel and Morrigan (which I took MUCH MORE seriously than this question), I'm guessing it isn't a surprise. I imagine after the first bedding, when Morrigan lays on that whole thing about the taint affecting performance, a follow up conversation would be as follows :

"Morrigan: Wait, what is wrong with your eyes?
Corviel: What? OH NOTHING! *wipes eyes*
Morrigan: Are you CRYING? 'Tis most disturbing, I suggest you stop!
Corviel: Hey! I'M NOT CRYING! I... just... have something in my eye, gotta go the the nearby pond to wash my eyes out. goodnight! *runs off, making sure he's far enough away from the camp and cries happy tears*"

By the maker, I'm insane lol

This is hilarious!

I myself can't answer this question since all my characters are female, hence I never romanced Morrigan (). But none of them were virgins before their joining with Leliana... or Zevran.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 06 octobre 2010 - 09:55 .

[Morrigans God son]

PureMethodActor wrote...

HAHA good points. Forgot that most people here are Human Noble players

I shall answer the question, too, as I'm man enough.

Corviel Tabris, my main warden, my CE warrior, I think probably would have cried after such an encounter, as he was probably a virgin up until that point (consider that in the CE origin the arranged marriage your PC is supposed to have is broken up).

Since I already mentioned the relationship dynamics of the relationship between Corviel and Morrigan (which I took MUCH MORE seriously than this question), I'm guessing it isn't a surprise. I imagine after the first bedding, when Morrigan lays on that whole thing about the taint affecting performance, a follow up conversation would be as follows :

"Morrigan: Wait, what is wrong with your eyes?
Corviel: What? OH NOTHING! *wipes eyes*
Morrigan: Are you CRYING? 'Tis most disturbing, I suggest you stop!
Corviel: Hey! I'M NOT CRYING! I... just... have something in my eye, gotta go the the nearby pond to wash my eyes out. goodnight! *runs off, making sure he's far enough away from the camp and cries happy tears*"

By the maker, I'm insane lol

You could be a virgin in the two elf origins and the mage, but the rest I don't know, I think they might have got... some.
I would love to have that Virgin dialog though lol!
If your warden got emotional after his first time with Morrigan. Imagine Alistair, and his first time being the dark ritual.

[Zjarcal]

Morrigans God son wrote...

I would love to have that Virgin dialog though lol!
If your warden got emotional after his first time with Morrigan. Imagine Alistair, and his first time being the dark ritual.

That is one thing I always feel bad for Alistair. I've never romanced him (and never will), but I do feel bad that in my games his first time has to be with a woman he hates (albeit a hot one), and a dark ritual to boot.

Well, on my canon run that's not the case since I spare Loghain. But then it'll be worse as he'll be drunk when he does it and won't remember it!

[ejoslin]

Human noble -- most likely not unless you really want to RP it that way.

Dwarf noble -- hahahaha. And miss Gorim talk about his magical broom. I think not! And for the guys, yeh, right.

Dwarf Casteless -- living life on the edge. I can't see it.

Mages -- hmmmmm, it sounds like the mages have sex, and use contraception. They live so closely, and yeh, you get young men and women living closely, yeh.

The Dalish and City elves, though, yeh, I can see it. Cammen was scandalized at the thought of premarital sex. City elf could go either way. It seems that there are human males who prowl the alienage anyway, and you don't know what the city elf did for a living before either. Chances are they had freedom of movement, even if they were a servant or a tradesperson.

[Morrigans God son]

Zjarcal wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

I would love to have that Virgin dialog though lol!
If your warden got emotional after his first time with Morrigan. Imagine Alistair, and his first time being the dark ritual.

That is one thing I always feel bad for Alistair. I've never romanced him (and never will), but I do feel bad that in my games his first time has to be with a woman he hates (albeit a hot one), and a dark ritual to boot.

Well, on my canon run that's not the case since I spare Loghain. But then it'll be worse as he'll be drunk when he does it and won't remember it!

Also I feel bad for Morrigan, I don't think she wanted to bed Alistair, nor Alistair Morrigan. An Orlesian warden was her first choice was it not?
Either way Morrigan felt the dark ritual was important enough to risk the awkward glares in the morning.

Anybody else agree that...Alistair & Morrigan together is just wrong!?

Modifié par Morrigans God son, 06 octobre 2010 - 10:13 .

[soignee]

My Mahariel wasn't, which is rare for a Dalish.



I write it that the Dalish have double standards with women and chasteness (based on my own romany gypsy cultural experiences, don't read that as lore) and as such a small, insular community everyone would know what you would be trying to get up to. (see: Cammen/Gheyna.)

[Zjarcal]

Morrigans God son wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

I would love to have that Virgin dialog though lol!
If your warden got emotional after his first time with Morrigan. Imagine Alistair, and his first time being the dark ritual.

That is one thing I always feel bad for Alistair. I've never romanced him (and never will), but I do feel bad that in my games his first time has to be with a woman he hates (albeit a hot one), and a dark ritual to boot.

Well, on my canon run that's not the case since I spare Loghain. But then it'll be worse as he'll be drunk when he does it and won't remember it!

Also I feel bad for Morrigan, I don't think she wanted to bed Alistair, nor Alistair Morrigan. An Orlesian warden was her first choice was it not?
Either way Morrigan felt the dark ritual was important enough to risk the awkward glares in the morning.

But at least it isn't Morrigan's first time. Still, being with Alistair.... *shudders*

Yeah, I feel bad for Morrigan too.

[TheBlackBaron]

ejoslin wrote...

Human noble -- most likely not unless you really want to RP it that way.

The female version of the origin lets you proposition no less than three people in the first fifteen minutes. So...yeah. 

Dwarf noble -- hahahaha. And miss Gorim talk about his magical broom. I think not! And for the guys, yeh, right.

Never played as a female Aeducan - that's fricking hilarious. Male Aeducans...well, yeah, in the same boat as the Couslands.

Mages -- hmmmmm, it sounds like the mages have sex, and use contraception. They live so closely, and yeh, you get young men and women living closely, yeh.

Remember when Anders talks about them wearing robes in Awakening? It seems fairly common for young mages to slip into a closet or dark corner for a few minutes.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 06 octobre 2010 - 10:17 .

[Morrigans God son]

Zjarcal wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Morrigans God son wrote...

I would love to have that Virgin dialog though lol!
If your warden got emotional after his first time with Morrigan. Imagine Alistair, and his first time being the dark ritual.

That is one thing I always feel bad for Alistair. I've never romanced him (and never will), but I do feel bad that in my games his first time has to be with a woman he hates (albeit a hot one), and a dark ritual to boot.

Well, on my canon run that's not the case since I spare Loghain. But then it'll be worse as he'll be drunk when he does it and won't remember it!

Also I feel bad for Morrigan, I don't think she wanted to bed Alistair, nor Alistair Morrigan. An Orlesian warden was her first choice was it not?
Either way Morrigan felt the dark ritual was important enough to risk the awkward glares in the morning.

But at least it isn't Morrigan's first time. Still, being with Alistair.... *shudders*

Yeah, I feel bad for Morrigan too.

I wonder if Morrigan got emotional when she first bedded a man and then.........killed him. Maybe Flemeth forced her into it?

[ejoslin]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Holy crap I just started an intelligent conversation...

@Zjarcal- hehe, thank you. I tried with the humor, and I agree that the feeling of disgust is mutual between Alistair and Morrigan if forced into the dark ritual. I've pushed him into it the majority of the time I would play female wardens, as most often I'd romance Alistair with them and would want both him and my warden to live... so necessity demanded it

@Morrigan's God Son- I agree. A virgin-based dialogue would have been pretty cool to see. I'll just stick to RPing it in my mind, though

Overall what is said about all the origins and sexual promiscuity probabilities is accurate. males of Human and Dwarf Noble origins have the highest chance of losing it early, whereas male City or Dalish elves have the least probability. Barring indivual's RPing things a certain way, what has been said about the probabilities is very accurate. I didn't have this in mind when I played as Corviel, but I mirrored him after myself: sort of the akward kid in youth who didn't have a whole lot of friends and in the teen and early adult years messed up so many opportunities for casual or deeper relationships due to confidence issues or self-sabotage. Basically that meant that I RP'ed Corviel as probably not really that popular, kinda akward, and probably only was friends with his cousins, Soris and Shianni, and though he hated it, he would have accepted an arranged marriage if it wasn't interrupted. That and being sheltered... needless to say Corviel was overjoyed to have been conscripted into the Grey Wardens, to get a chance to do something good in the world and explore the world outside the alienage.

That is part of the reason Morrigan romance was so easy to do for Corviel; because Morrigan has very similar qualities to those I look for in real women, and one of the most important being that she has explored areas outside her home, even if for a little bit, and she's learned how to take care of herself. So yeah.

I totally RPed Corviel as a virgin, and while that joke convo I posted was meant to be more funny, I imagine he probably would have done that, and who could blame him?  With a woman like that, I'm sure any man would feel damn lucky

Females as well.  It's very possible that a DNF and Gorim are lovers.  HNF can proposition Duncan, Dairren, and Iona.  And if she tells her brother of her plans for the evening (provided she has made them), he thinks it's funny as hell -- this is not a shocking revelation.  Her SiL tells her she must be discreet, though.

Dalish I see as being the most likely, really, to be a virgin.  Mainly because of Cammen's reaction if you ask him if he ever bedded Gheyna.  City elf could go either way.  There's really nothing that indicates virginity as being valued in that community, even though marriages are arranged.  The young elves do seem to have a freedom of movement and action that you don't see in societies where virginity is thought of as utmost importance.  But that doesn't mean that it isn't.  It just means there's no indication either way.

As far as an emotional reaction after the first time?  I think the way everyone acts after their first time is as unique as they are.  Some would be overwhelmed with emotion, some may feel hollow as they just left a sheltered existence and at first it's not about love (if you go to the tent when she first asks).  

[Brockololly]

ejoslin wrote...
The writers have heard the complaints, and have basically said, "Deal with it." DA2 is for a different audience than DA1 was for; I'm not sure why they went this route, but they did. It's kind of sad, because if DA:O had not been the absolutely amazing success it had been, with the younger crowd complaining, perhaps DA2 would not be dumbed down. Or perhaps it would not be made at all.
 

The reception to DA2 will be interesting if its as Mass Effected up as it would seem. Its going to be compared to ME by reviewers but ME2 scored very well with most reviewers and I think DA2 will be compared negatively to it in some quarters for sort of losing the identity DA established with Origins. Surely some people will like it, but the sales will be interesting- I just don't think BioWare realizes that the Bros they're courting don't give a hoot about a game with Wizards and Dragons- no matter how much blood and ME they put into it.  Its just not going to happen. And if they successfully alienate the people that liked Origins, well bravo, DA is likely dead in water.
/pessimism

And I know Gaider posted recently that what they're doing in DA2 isn't the end all be all of how they'll approach games going forward, but I think its pretty damn clear BioWare's new shtick is voice acted everything which is just stupid beyond belief. Here is what Gaider posted not too long ago:

We're not apologetic about these changes, as we think there are things  about Origins that needed improvement. Maybe not the same things some of you thought, but there you are. There are also things about Origins we  kept and loved, and some of the things we changed we might even return  to in the future-- this is one project, not a Manifesto of RPG Intent  for all the world to bow down before. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

I'm not taking any hope away from that as a return to silent PC though- I think that ship has sailed sadly.

This article from one of the audio designers at Media Molecule sums up my thoughts on ME vs. DAO player VO nicely. (This is the abominable youtube video mentioned in the blog post).

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PureMethodActor wrote...
THE question:

Were  any of your Morrigan-romancing Wardens virgins before Morrigan? If so,  do you think your warden(s) would have cried after the ...ahem...  joining because of the emotional effect of the act? (of course they  would be too manly to show that in front of Morrigan [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie])

Well, my Wardens that I've had go through Origins through to completion are either mages or human nobles. My canon human noble wasn't a virgin but he wasn't exactly experienced either. So his experience with Morrigan was probably his first ever serious relationship. Basically he was up for fooling around with people on occassion  but he kind of was put off to getting involved with people after he tried getting it on with that Elf servant in Highever only for Howe's guys to put an arrow through her head.

Then after that he met up with Morrigan. The only other time he was a bit adventurous was when he messed with Gheyna because from the second he saw that horrific mutant of an elf Cammen, the Maker spoke to him telling him to ruin that worm's life in any way possible- secretly, Morrigan totally approved of him doing that too and justly rewarded Samuel Cousland later at campB)

Modifié par Brockololly, 07 octobre 2010 - 12:05 .