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[Shade of Wolf]

lilmeezer wrote...

Running a Cousland male rogue (to check out the improvements made by Terra's mod) and got an interesting story from the Ash Warrior Leader at Ostagar. I didn't get this story with my Amell or Aeducan (supposedly you can't get the story if you are a dwarf). Here it is from the wiki: The Legend of Luthias Dwarfson The most interesting parts of the story (besides the obvious Arthurian references) are that one of the main characters is an Avarr Chieftain named Morrighan'nan.

Luthias led his tribe to many victories, until eventually he replaced his foster father as chief of his tribe. This peace would not last. During a feast between the tribal leaders of the Alamarri and the Avvar, the beautiful and powerful Avvar chieftain, Morrighan'nan, became enamored with Luthias and seduced him. Scaea learned of the tryst and fled the village to return to Orzammar. When Luthias rebuffed Morrighan'nan's offer of marriage, she left in great anger, and from that moment on, there was war between the two tribes.

For 15 years, the Alamarri and Avvar fought. During the Battle of Red Falls, a powerful young warrior from Morrighan'nan's tribe challenged Luthias to a battle. Luthias was injured grievously, but slew the boy. Morrighan'nan revealed that the boy was Luthias's son, conceived 15 years ago during their tryst. She cursed Luthias as the murderer of his own kin, and the Battle of Red Falls turned against Luthias.

Morrighan'nan defeated Luthias in battle after battle, until the Alamarri were driven to the foothills of the Frostback Mountains. There, Luthias made a last stand. In the night before Luthias's final battle, Scaea came to him and offered him a dwarven suit of chain in exchange for a night together. Luthias agreed and wore the armor the following morning in battle. The battle was fierce and bloody, and Luthias met Morrighan'nan in personal combat. In the end, Luthias slew the warrior woman, but not before receiving a mortal wound to his heart, the chain inexplicably unable to block her final blow. Luthias died, and after the battle was done a party of dwarven warriors came down from the mountain and took the body of Luthias back to Orzammar.

Besides Morrighan'nan obviously referencing Morgause (or is it Morganna?) from Aurthurian tales, do y'all think Morrighan'nan has any relation at all to Morrigan? Such similar names!

Also, noticed in talking to Wynne at Ostagar that she mentions the Golden City (or at least what it is now) is at the center of the Fade. We've often mentioned in our discussions over whether that is where Morrigan might have gone when she went through the eluvian as it seems to be a place visible from yet unaccesable in the Fade. Just wondering if what Wynne says is true, and Morrigan says she's going somewhere "beyond" the Fade, it very well might be something else still yet.

On a totally different note, my mother-in-law today asked me what "apostasy" meant, and in my mind there was a battle between the definitions relating to the context she was asking in and then then all the Chantry warnings against apostates in the game, ha! Couldn't give her the Chantry/game definition, of course, but it did make me chuckle (she probably wondered why I had an amused look on my face as I tried to come up with an appropriate answer relating to the context in which she was asking, though!)

I always thought that the Morrigan was based more on The Morrigan (An Mór Ríoghan) from Irish folklore, as is A LOT of DA folklore and names, but I don't think Morgana is completely out of the equation.

[soundchaser721]

Brockololly wrote...

PureMethodActor wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Simple enough, create an armor that would be associated with the Warden and slap on a helmet.

There is much truth in this statement... Its been done in the past with games where a created protagonist appeared in a sequel with a hidden face. I could seriously see this being done with the Warden's face, or maybe a dark, obscuring hood for rogues and mages.

Problem with doing something like that in my view is that it pretty much relegates the Warden to a worthless cameo at best. Its like bringing back the Warden with Morrigan but whats the point if its just in a generic appearance-less,  cameo?

The only time I want to see the Warden in DA2 is at the end, when this huge destructive conflict is about to happen, maybe pan the camera up from his feet to reveal the warden in all of his awesomeness with morrigan and the OGB by his side... ok so its probably not gonna happen, but hey I can still dream cant I?

[Shade of Wolf]

Oh yeah, I finally got the proper Witch Hunt ending, like other Xbox users. I haven't been here for a while, but wow have things moved along, I am certainly enjoying the new speculation.

I'm also undertaking two Morrigan themed artistic projects, so I may need to ask a favor or two in the future.

[Shade of Wolf]

soundchaser721 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

PureMethodActor wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Simple enough, create an armor that would be associated with the Warden and slap on a helmet.

There is much truth in this statement... Its been done in the past with games where a created protagonist appeared in a sequel with a hidden face. I could seriously see this being done with the Warden's face, or maybe a dark, obscuring hood for rogues and mages.

Problem with doing something like that in my view is that it pretty much relegates the Warden to a worthless cameo at best. Its like bringing back the Warden with Morrigan but whats the point if its just in a generic appearance-less,  cameo?

The only time I want to see the Warden in DA2 is at the end, when this huge destructive conflict is about to happen, maybe pan the camera up from his feet to reveal the warden in all of his awesomeness with morrigan and the OGB by his side... ok so its probably not gonna happen, but hey I can still dream cant I?

That would be super clichéd and super awesome lolz.

Modifié par Shade of Wolf, 24 octobre 2010 - 07:51 .

[Morrigans God son]

Shade of Wolf wrote...

Oh yeah, I finally got the proper Witch Hunt ending, like other Xbox users. I haven't been here for a while, but wow have things moved along, I am certainly enjoying the new speculation.
I'm also undertaking two Morrigan themed artistic projects, so I may need to ask a favor or two in the future.

 Give us a hint!

[lilmeezer]

Shade of Wolf wrote...

lilmeezer wrote...

From the wiki: The Legend of Luthias Dwarfson The most interesting parts of the story (besides the obvious Arthurian references) are that one of the main characters is an Avarr Chieftain named Morrighan'nan.

Besides Morrighan'nan obviously referencing Morgause (or is it Morganna?) from Aurthurian tales, do y'all think Morrighan'nan has any relation at all to Morrigan? Such similar names!

I always thought that the Morrigan was based more on The Morrigan (An Mór Ríoghan) from Irish folklore, as is A LOT of DA folklore and names, but I don't think Morgana is completely out of the equation.

Ah, thank you. I have heard of The Morrigan but need to find and read the legend to learn more.

[akrep77]

Hi guys,



Probably I'm asking a question that has already been answered many times before. Once I was actively reading this forum but had to leave a couple of months ago, after finishing DA:O and Awakenings. But returned when I heard Witch Hunt DLC and currently trying to understand one thing.



I believe most of you guys know that there was a glitch about keeping romance status of Morrigan during the last battle of DA:O. If you talk with Morrigan after her farewell speech, her relationship status switches to friend from romance. Like most of other players, I hadn't realized that, finished DA:O, then buyed DAO:A and finished it. I had my shock when I saw it did mention about my relation with Morrigan as if we were friends. When I searched forums, I saw that was because a glitch coming from way back to DA:O.



So, at the moment my latest character coming from Awakenings. Naturally, I want to play with my up-to-date character in Witch Hunt DLC. My question is, playing with this Awakening character would damage my gameplay experience in Witch Hunt DLC? I mean, what if my first encounter with Morrigan in this DLC will be something like an encounter of two old friends, instead of two lovers as it should be?



If this glitch somehow does not effect the DLC, please let me know. If I import my Awakenings character into the DLC and it would damage the relationship status, playing this DLC would be meaningless for me. So should I use my DA:O character instead of Awakenings character?

[Dave of Canada]

akrep77 wrote...

If this glitch somehow does not effect the DLC, please let me know. If I import my Awakenings character into the DLC and it would damage the relationship status, playing this DLC would be meaningless for me. So should I use my DA:O character instead of Awakenings character?

Don't quote me on this but I do believe you're stil capable of getting the romance ending, there's just some missing dialogue.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 24 octobre 2010 - 10:07 .

[Brockololly]

akrep77 wrote...

If this glitch somehow does not effect the DLC, please let me know. If I import my Awakenings character into the DLC and it would damage the relationship status, playing this DLC would be meaningless for me. So should I use my DA:O character instead of Awakenings character?

You should be ok, provided that you have the patched version of Witch Hunt. Witch Hunt had a bugged ending where Morrigan wouldn't acknowledge that you did the Dark Ritual, but that was separate from the problems with her epilogues in Origins or Awakening.

If you check the first post in this thread you can see at the start of WItch Hunt based on some of the early dialogue whether your game is bugged or not, but assuming you have the patched version of Witch Hunt, it shouldn't matter whether you're importing from Origins or Awakening.

[Esbatty]

In The Land Of Ever - Chapter 5 "Imaginary" is up.

[akrep77]

Dave & Brockorolly, thank you for your answers. I have checked the first post here and got everything I needed, sorry for sending a message which is already answered in the first topic, lol

[Barbarossa2010]

Shade of Wolf wrote...

I always thought that the Morrigan was based more on The Morrigan (An Mór Ríoghan) from Irish folklore, as is A LOT of DA folklore and names, but I don't think Morgana is completely out of the equation.

I wrote a bit about Morrigan references from Irish folklore back many months ago.  I couldn't find it to repost, but I believe you are correct.  While there can be much inference drawn from the Arthurian Morgana (especially if Alistair were her brother or something [really just too icky to think about]), I see many more parallels to the Morrigan of Irish folklore and our DA Morrigan.

@ all:  I've been away for awhile, merely lurking and reading here on occasion, is there any word on the XBOX 360 patch for WH?  Has it been released?

[soundchaser721]

@ Barbarossa: The 360 patch is finally available. Took em long enough.

Modifié par soundchaser721, 25 octobre 2010 - 04:55 .

[Shade of Wolf]

Morrigans God son wrote...

Shade of Wolf wrote...

Oh yeah, I finally got the proper Witch Hunt ending, like other Xbox users. I haven't been here for a while, but wow have things moved along, I am certainly enjoying the new speculation.
I'm also undertaking two Morrigan themed artistic projects, so I may need to ask a favor or two in the future.

 Give us a hint!

Don't tempt me!

[Barbarossa2010]

soundchaser721 wrote...

@ Barbarossa: The 360 patch is finally available. Took em long enough.

Thanks soundchaser.  Next time I fire it up, I'll get an automatic download and will actually know what it is!

Thanks again.

[Terra_Ex]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

soundchaser721 wrote...

@ Barbarossa: The 360 patch is finally available. Took em long enough.

Thanks soundchaser.  Next time I fire it up, I'll get an automatic download and will actually know what it is!

Thanks again.

I thought you were moving up to the hallowed halls of PC gaming, Barbarossa. *Terra_Ex remembers that his hard drive has just died and falls silent*

Lots of stuff I need to respond to but not enough time to do so atm, but once I get my gaming rig sorted thread regulars will definitely like the new additions in the next version of MRP.

@Esbatty, your stuff is pretty good so far, be careful of using contractions in Morri's speech, it should be kept more formal if you want to capture her voice.

Hopefully I'll be able to muster a decent response to the points raised over the last few days sometime soon.

[Brockololly]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Hey everyone, I apologize for this being unprompted and kinda sudden, but its a thought I've had in my mind since listening often to the theme of one of the incarnations of the show that made the subject character famous.

Its a suggestion for Ximena's list, and I think Morrigan would look quite breathtaking with this theme:

Carmen Sandiego Morrigan

What do you all think?

Hahaha- yeah I can see that. Got the whole mystery thing going  on. Maybe it would work better post Origins when she disappears- "Where in Thedas is Morrigan?"

Nice one!

[Brockololly]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Well Morrigan can pull off the femme-fatale look as proven by many different artists and fanart pieces, and Carmen Sandiego kinda has that vibe (kinda weird to say since the show, other media, and her character were made for kids). It DEFINITELY works for Morrigan disappearing.

"Quick, detectives! Morrigan has JUST STOLEN the tablet of Caridin's list of volunteers for golem-making!"

Now I'm getting images in my mind of Rockapella shouting "THE LOOT" and "THE WARRANT"

lol

Ha- yeah, she already stole the Dalish book in Witch Hunt, right? Hahaha. I can just picture Morrigan with the trenchcoat and hat now:lol:

[ximena]

Ahahaha. Nice one PMA. XD Though I think I'm going to make that Morrigan list a mini project of the Morrigan fans group in dA. I think the other artist who are fond of Morri could give it a whirl.

But I am interested on drawing Catwoman Morrigan soon along with batman Edric.

EDIT: New art. The Morrigan doll cracks me up.



by lilithblack

Modifié par ximena, 26 octobre 2010 - 04:50 .

[Brockololly]

Whahahahaha- Hawaii hula Morrigan- thats so random and awesome. XD

[Lord_Anthonior]

The good thing is that even when having leliana topless right there, the one to look at is Morrigan hehehe, and being in paradise with Morrigan like that, woooooow!! aloha my dear witch!!



I did comment in italian about the other pictures, because c'mon! the group is about Morrigan, I had to say something even in italian for having alistair there!! I mean "what da..... is he doing there" hehe .

[Esbatty]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

soundchaser721 wrote...

@ Barbarossa: The 360 patch is finally available. Took em long enough.

Thanks soundchaser.  Next time I fire it up, I'll get an automatic download and will actually know what it is!

Thanks again.

I thought you were moving up to the hallowed halls of PC gaming, Barbarossa. *Terra_Ex remembers that his hard drive has just died and falls silent*

Lots of stuff I need to respond to but not enough time to do so atm, but once I get my gaming rig sorted thread regulars will definitely like the new additions in the next version of MRP.

@Esbatty, your stuff is pretty good so far, be careful of using contractions in Morri's speech, it should be kept more formal if you want to capture her voice.

Hopefully I'll be able to muster a decent response to the points raised over the last few days sometime soon.

Thanks for catching that, I'll make sure to remember that when I inevitably do some revisions. Although she seems like the kind of woman who'd use old school contractions like "shan't" but I could be wrong. But yes I'll keep this in mind for future installments.