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Esbatty wrote...

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Yeah, I always have Alistair marry Anora. For my canon Amell, I've got everyone surviving the landsmeet- Loghain joins the Wardens, Anora and Alistair marry.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa... whoa. You can do that? I MUST KNOW YOUR SECRETS... I'll do anything - *ANYTHING* to know. I can you soveriegns, women, - men, possibly a Krogan if you're feeling squishy.


You've got to have Alistair hardened and talk to Anora before the landsmeet and convince her to marry Alistair.  Then at the landsmeet, be sure that anyone but Alistair duels Loghain or else Alistair will just kill him automatically. I'm guessing  you need max coercion for this and maybe some decnt cunning, but I' m not sure specifics. Then basically spare Loghain and Alistair will throw a big hissy fit and leave your party but he'll be king with Anora if you say they had an arrangement already.

The only thing that sucks about this is that you have to suffer through Anora giving the last battle speech and Alistair acts like a total ingrate to you afterwards. But everyone stays alive!

Modifié par Brockololly, 09 novembre 2010 - 06:46 .


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Brockololly wrote...
@Esbatty: I just read that one review for In the Land of Ever on fanfiction.net.......:lol::lol:Your Cousland is clearly a mentally challenged, emotional wreck- man up! And for crying out loud, tone down Morrigan! :lol::lol:

Some people, I tell you...:P


So...I was in a way on the right track then?! hahaha:lol::lol:

Probably that's why I put one or the other or both and still killing loghain for personal reasons, those fits or attitudes of ungratefulness or hissy fits, I don't know, I have never been able to tolarate people least of all game characters, though I think I'll play those paths for the trophies on the PS3. :wizard:

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Actually, what happened with my Edric playthrough was that I thought I hardened Alistair, but it turns out I didn't. So come landsmeet, I can't do that path. T__T I was forced to let Edric kill Loghain



It would have been nice to write some Edric and Alistair drama bromance. But meh. Went with what the game gave me. XD Well, I live with my choices for the Edric playthrough except for the Morrigan romance ending. Yep. Definitely can't live with that being like that. XD

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In The Land Of Ever - Chapter 10: Landslide is now up.



Man, some people just aren't patient for tender Morrigan. She can be nice and fluffy, but on her own terms and her own good time. And by the Maker, she is a "nester". Did you see her "tent" it was a mini-shack. It lacked proper walls but damn if she just didnt' cut a piece off of Flemeth's hut and haul it with her.

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Ximena's newest Edric and Morrigan pic.



She really outdid herself with this one. :bows down to the awesomeness:



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Esbatty wrote...

In The Land Of Ever - Chapter 10: Landslide is now up.

Man, some people just aren't patient for tender Morrigan. She can be nice and fluffy, but on her own terms and her own good time. And by the Maker, she is a "nester". Did you see her "tent" it was a mini-shack. It lacked proper walls but damn if she just didnt' cut a piece off of Flemeth's hut and haul it with her.


Well, Flemeth's hut was the only home she ever knew before leaving the WIlds with the Warden. Makes sense she'd build her tent to look like it, if only to give herself a sense of home away from home.

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Brockololly wrote...


You've got to have Alistair hardened and talk to Anora before the landsmeet and convince her to marry Alistair.  Then at the landsmeet, be sure that anyone but Alistair duels Loghain or else Alistair will just kill him automatically. I'm guessing  you need max coercion for this and maybe some decnt cunning, but I' m not sure specifics. Then basically spare Loghain and Alistair will throw a big hissy fit and leave your party but he'll be king with Anora if you say they had an arrangement already.

The only thing that sucks about this is that you have to suffer through Anora giving the last battle speech and Alistair acts like a total ingrate to you afterwards. But everyone stays alive!


Don´t worry about Alistair getting angry. By Awakening he´s friendly again, and Loghain´s cameo is fun. I really would have liked to meet him again in Orlais.:(

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Master Shiori wrote...

Ximena's newest Edric and Morrigan pic.

She really outdid herself with this one. :bows down to the awesomeness:

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Aw. <3 Thanks Shiori. I would like to add viewing this pic while listining to this song is a must. click here

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Master Shiori wrote...

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If it came down to it I could probably kill all of the companions without feeling too guilty.Hell I have in most cases. Except for Morrigan.


I could kill Wynne and Oghren without much trouble since I'm not exactly fond of them.

Morrigan and Leliana are untouchable and everyone else would cause my conscience to slap me.


But would you let them walk?

Could I kill my companions? It depends on the situation. Also, I probably wouldn't be able to look at their corpses for very long.

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I'm pretty sure I've killed everyone except for Oghren, Sten, and Morrigan. I would have killed Sten after I fought him in Haven but they don't give you that option.

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Nerevar-as wrote...
Don´t worry about Alistair getting angry. By Awakening he´s friendly again, and Loghain´s cameo is fun. I really would have liked to meet him again in Orlais.:(


Thats true, but does Alistair or Anora show up in Awakening if you have Loghain survive but make Alistair king and marry Anora?

I really think BioWare did a crummy job with Loghain in Origins- he just comes across as too much of a villain at Ostagar and right afterwards. If you haven't read the Stolen Throne he comes across as a one dimensional paranoid loon, when from his POV his concerns about Orlais and everything are justified. But you only figure that out if he becomes a companion.

Master Shiori wrote...

Ximena's newest Edric and Morrigan pic.

She really outdid herself with this one. :bows down to the awesomeness:

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Very nice! And I didn't even notice the sideboob initially!:happy:

MKDAWUSS wrote...
But would you let them walk?

Could
I kill my companions? It depends on the situation. Also, I probably
wouldn't be able to look at their corpses for very long.


Ahhh yes, this reminds me of those halcyon days, back when we all were conjuring up Dragon Age 2 possibilities with the Warden and Morrigan or the now extinguished hopes of one last Morrigan-centric expansion pack. Have it be such that you found Morrigan and had to make a choice to side with her or against her, possibly putting you at odds with other old companions.

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ximena wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Ximena's newest Edric and Morrigan pic.

She really outdid herself with this one. :bows down to the awesomeness:

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Aw. <3 Thanks Shiori. I would like to add viewing this pic while listining to this song is a must. click here


Ah my Morrigan-Cousland theme has been "Who Wants To Live Forever" by Queen.

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Esbatty wrote...

ximena wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Ximena's newest Edric and Morrigan pic.

She really outdid herself with this one. :bows down to the awesomeness:

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Aw. <3 Thanks Shiori. I would like to add viewing this pic while listining to this song is a must. click here


Ah my Morrigan-Cousland theme has been "Who Wants To Live Forever" by Queen.


Mine is Chris Isaak - Wicked Game.

I think it fits them quite well, especially after DR and the Battle of Denerim.

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Master Shiori wrote...

Ximena's newest Edric and Morrigan pic.

She really outdid herself with this one. :bows down to the awesomeness:

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Awesome drawing! :o

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Master Shiori wrote...

Ximena's newest Edric and Morrigan pic.

She really outdid herself with this one. :bows down to the awesomeness:

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Awesome!!! Great Great work!! gotta go and save it my favorites in DA. *bows too*

I agree with the songs, and "Wicked game" is one of my favorites since  I heard it in Friends all those years ago.

I love how she looks with her eyes closed and her hands, her eyebrow does express the sadness very clearly. To muster just enough voice to whisper "No Morrigan...you will never lose me..."

Another song could be this one: "You and me" -Lifehouse

Modifié par Lord_Anthonior, 09 novembre 2010 - 11:03 .


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So, since I haven't participated in my favorite thread as much as I would have liked, I figured we can have something to talk about.

This is a hard question, so you have been warned. Hypothetically. Imagine that your Warden can in no way accept what Morrigan is doing. Not just the means, the ends in and of themselves. They are directly incompatible with his beliefs / interests/ conscience / what have you. Would your Warden seek to stop Morrigan? And if he does, would he go as far as killing her? What if killing her was the only option?

Alternatively, you agree or can agree with Morrigan's ends, but abhor or dislike the means she is employing. Would turn a blind eye? Would you seek to moderate her? Or would you seek to stop her?

I know the thread has had a lot of tragedy and bittersweet (Gaiderism essentially) in it already, but I personally really don't want a purely happy ending that defies all odds. Even when following Morrigan through the mirror, I was uneasy (and not only because of the stupid hurr derp face my Warden had) thinking about what might happen. I do not think Morrigan is "evil" nor do I believe she picks "evil" choices, but I know that Morrigan has little consideration for masses of people (perfectly understandable due to her upbringing) and might be imprudent, impatient, short sighted and might take things to an extreme.

So I know, or at least I am hoping, that I am going to be conflicted over this and that we won't have a purely happy ending with a Morritopia or something. Hence the questions above. Of course answering them accurately requires us to know what she is planing and what means she is using. But we can infer from what we know of her as a character, so I figured we could prepare for it hypothetically. It might lessen the impact of a potential tragedy :P

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One of the reasons why my Warden followed Morrigan into the mirror wasn't only to be with her but to make sure she'd in no way do anything extreme, or so I'd like to believe. While it's possible in say... the future where Morrigan does something extreme even if my Warden chilled with her, as the game cannot predict my Warden's behavior - I'd like to view it more as my Warden making sure she does the right thing for the right reasons, while also being with his love.



If it comes to it though, he wouldn't be able to kill her unless she changes a lot. If she isn't the Morrigan he knew, he'll try to put her down even though it conflicts with everything about him. He wouldn't be able to put down his child, though. Even if the bigger threat is the child. He'd see the child as being the last thing he (the Warden) has of Morrigan and try to raise it right.



Once again, none of this will happen because I won't be able to play it out but that's how I see it in my head!

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Dave of Canada wrote...

One of the reasons why my Warden followed Morrigan into the mirror wasn't only to be with her but to make sure she'd in no way do anything extreme, or so I'd like to believe.


Yea, same. In fact, those reasons were stronger for me than just love, especially in addition to being an active player in the change process and not just a victim. Make history and not just go with it, so to speak (that's probably the strongest reason for me). 

Dave of Canada wrote...
If it comes to it though, he wouldn't be able to kill her unless she changes a lot. If she isn't the Morrigan he knew, he'll try to put her down even though it conflicts with everything about him. He wouldn't be able to put down his child, though. Even if the bigger threat is the child. He'd see the child as being the last thing he (the Warden) has of Morrigan and try to raise it right.


And yes, the child too is an interesting factor.
What if the child isn't really a child, but is Urthemiel the old God in a child's body (something that Morrigan may have hinted at with her "barely a child" comment)? In essence, what if you can't really raise it, as it will remain the same Urthemiel?

Now what we know of Urthemiel pre-corruption isn't really horrifying. In fact even when archdemon, he isn't like the other 4 (which is making me fear that my kid will turn out to be stupid). But still, old Gods supposedely taught blood magic and encouraged the Tevinter Imperium to set up what has been described as an oppressive regime.
What if you can't really change or raise Urthemiel?

I hope we can raise him, I actually have plans for the boy. But let's assume hypothetically.

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Wow, awesome work Xim!  The ring is a nice touch! :D

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So, since I haven't participated in my favorite thread as much as I would have liked, I figured we can have something to talk about.

This is a hard question, so you have been warned. Hypothetically. Imagine that your Warden can in no way accept what Morrigan is doing. Not just the means, the ends in and of themselves. They are directly incompatible with his beliefs / interests/ conscience / what have you. Would your Warden seek to stop Morrigan? And if he does, would he go as far as killing her? What if killing her was the only option?

It's hard to imagine any scenario in which my Warden would be so completely opposed to Morrigan's plans that he would have  to kill her.  Like others mentioned, she'd have to change quite a bit from the DAO Morrigan we all know and love. 

If it really boiled down to that, I could see my Cousland fighting to stop her, but I don't think he could actually kill her.  Even if she did pull a complete 180, he'd be trying to find a way to influence/persuade her til the end. 

Alternatively, you agree or can agree with Morrigan's ends, but abhor or dislike the means she is employing. Would turn a blind eye? Would you seek to moderate her? Or would you seek to stop her?

My warden would probably seek to moderate her.  All of the Wardens have quite a bit of influence over their companions, even Morrigan.  So if I felt the goal was worth reaching, I'd probably try and keep her methods in check and go forward with her plans.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

This is a hard question, so you have been warned. Hypothetically. Imagine that your Warden can in no way accept what Morrigan is doing. Not just the means, the ends in and of themselves. They are directly incompatible with his beliefs / interests/ conscience / what have you. Would your Warden seek to stop Morrigan? And if he does, would he go as far as killing her? What if killing her was the only option?


I will not kill her, just as simple as that no matter how many lands in Thedas are burning in ruins but I will not kill her or if it comes to that, then in this case, I would sacrifice the warden with a better reason now instead back then of refusing the ritual and dying while destroying the archdemon, I rather kill us both.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...Alternatively, you agree or can agree with Morrigan's ends, but abhor or dislike the means she is employing. Would turn a blind eye? Would you seek to moderate her? Or would you seek to stop her?


I would have to know all the details but first I would have to ask myself, "what do I care for?" the land? ferelden? Thedas? the circle? other strangers? bandits? templars? the chantry? royalty? or do I only care about Morrigan and our son?", maybe in a way I would try to moderate her in case it comes to harm my brother Fergus who might still be alive, so just the family, besides that let others worry for themselves.

I agreed when I heard on tv watching trailer spots about dragon age the slogan:  "Not all heroes are pure" I take it I don't have to fight for "justice, freedom or anything else". The character is a Grey Warden not a Kryptonian so morality is not the issue nor rights or wrongs but choices.


KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I know the thread has had a lot of tragedy and bittersweet (Gaiderism essentially) in it already, but I personally really don't want a purely happy ending that defies all odds. Even when following Morrigan through the mirror, I was uneasy (and not only because of the stupid hurr derp face my Warden had) thinking about what might happen. I do not think Morrigan is "evil" nor do I believe she picks "evil" choices, but I know that Morrigan has little consideration for masses of people (perfectly understandable due to her upbringing) and might be imprudent, impatient, short sighted and might take things to an extreme.


I doubt she would be evil, I didn't got that idea during the conversation for the DR as she wanted to preserve the essence of Urthemiel wich is the god of beauty, wich she said there are things worth perserving in the world.

Then, she said about "a means to an end"...what end? why the need for so much power and to what purpose the time and power will be use to fight against?. Her look when she said "What I want...is not important" doesn't seems to be of someone on the path for something evil, those of course are questions that need more time to get answered but until we arrive to that point (in chosing what to do and what to let Morrigan do), I would have to say I'm willing to let things carry on.

So I know, or at least I am hoping, that I am going to be conflicted over this and that we won't have a purely happy ending with a Morritopia or something. Hence the questions above. Of course answering them accurately requires us to know what she is planing and what means she is using. But we can infer from what we know of her as a character, so I figured we could prepare for it hypothetically. It might lessen the impact of a potential tragedy :P


I agree with the preparation for any ending, I wasn't prepared and I didn't liked Naomi Hunter's ending in MGS4 :lol: but Kojima went all Shakesperian and killed many characters. <_<

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
This is a hard question, so you have been warned. Hypothetically. Imagine that your Warden can in no way accept what Morrigan is doing. Not just the means, the ends in and of themselves. They are directly incompatible with his beliefs / interests/ conscience / what have you. Would your Warden seek to stop Morrigan? And if he does, would he go as far as killing her? What if killing her was the only option?


Tough question indeed.

Well, to take the first instance- if there was absolutely zero way to agree with what Morrigan was doing or the means she was employing- then my Warden would obviously try to reason with her and if necessary stop her. But it really, really would depend on what she was doing. Which is the big question when it comes to Morrigan- what the hell is she doing?

I mean, if it was a scenario where Morrigan just went mad with power or similarly became some evil force, then yeah, my Warden might put an end to her if she threatened all of Thedas or something. Because at that point it wouldn't be the Morrigan he grew to fall in love with, but something else entirely. But if Gaider did something like that, I'd imagine it coming off as awfully Plot Hammer-esque and rage inducing here on the forums than anything else.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Alternatively, you agree or can agree with Morrigan's ends, but abhor or dislike the means she is employing. Would turn a blind eye? Would you seek to moderate her? Or would you seek to stop her?

Well, when my Cousland did the DR for the first time, he struggled with that choice and I seriously considered not having him do it, as the first thing to leap into my head was that this was bad news. But I took up Morrigan on the DR and do almost every time, because my Warden will be alive to hopefully correct any dreadful mistake should Morrigan go rogue or have the DR blow up in her face. Whereas if you kick Morrigan out and do the US, you'll just have a pissed off Morrigan out there which isn't good either, except now your Warden isn't around to do anything about it.

And with Witch Hunt, my Wardens mostly go through purely as Morrigan's lover, but also to help her out with whatever she has to deal with and to provide a moderating influence on her to some extent. Just as she was at times the devil whispering in the Warden's ear, there isn't any reason why the Warden can't be the angel/devil whispering right back in her ear when its Morrigan's turn to make big decisions. And I think Morrigan/Warden's relationship works well that way- as Morrigan says, its a relationship of equals and I think she means that and would respect what the Warden had to say, even if she didn't agree with it. Unless its just some cosmic force of destiny and fate out there dictating Morrigan's actions, I don't think she would willfully do anything that would cause the Warden undue stress or do anything that would harm him.  I'd just have a hard time thinking up a scenario where the Warden would be forced to kill/stop Morrigan without her having essentially become a different character at that point.

Its a tough question to answer without knowing the specifics- I wouldn't take anything off of the table necessarily, but it would have to be pretty damn awful and horrific for my Warden to want to kill Morrigan.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Even when following Morrigan through the mirror, I was uneasy (and not only because of the stupid hurr derp face my Warden had) thinking about what might happen. I do not think Morrigan is "evil" nor do I believe she picks "evil" choices, but I know that Morrigan has little consideration for masses of people (perfectly understandable due to her upbringing) and might be imprudent, impatient, short sighted and might take things to an extreme.


Absolutely. Like I said, my Wardens go through the mirror with Morrigan in some sense to help her out and that would include trying to act as a moderating influence should the time call for it. I can very easily see BioWare having Morrigan's story turn into some sort of MacBeth like parable on the dangers of power or something, and so long as the dialogue options and choices are present, I think my Warden would try to steer Morrigan in less extreme directions. But knowing Gaider, we'll be neutered from asking any questions in dialogue and get Plot Hammered anyway with some tragedy.

So much would depend on what Morrigan has planned. If its some Architect like scenario from the Calling where it requires thousands and thousands of people to die...hmmm..my Cousland would have a hard time with that but my Amell would probably be ok with it.

But as far as the mirror ending goes, yes, there is a hint of "are you really sure about this?" type tone in Morrigan's voice when she mentions that it would be best for both the Warden and her if he stayed behind. I don't know quite what that means, but maybe its the some difference in that choosing to go with Morrigan, dooms both of them to some tragic death together, yet if the Warden had stayed behind Morrigan could have done a better job doing whatever in Mirror World and thus she would have come back and been able to live happily ever after with the Warden? That would be a huge GOTCHA! moment though...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
So I know, or at least I am hoping, that I am going to be conflicted over this and that we won't have a purely happy ending with a Morritopia or something. Hence the questions above. Of course answering them accurately requires us to know what she is planing and what means she is using. But we can infer from what we know of her as a character, so I figured we could prepare for it hypothetically. It might lessen the impact of a potential tragedy :P

The thing with Morrigan is that the tragic endings write themselves. You can pick them right out of the air. Thats not to say that you couldn't have a really well done tragedy with her, but its a bit predictable and if it went that route the line would be very thin between treading on a well done tragedy and having it come across as forced and Plot Hammer of Doom. And I'd likely be thinking its just a repeat of Gaider having Maric kill Katriel.

As I've said before, it would be nice if a tragedy was a potential outcome, but not the only one. That sort of blunts the inevitablity of a tragedy, but still, I'd prefer a possible ending where perhaps you have to go through Hell and back, make plenty of dubious decisions along the way, but through your choices and actions at least have the possibility of a measured happy ending. The doom and gloom is just so predictable with everything Morrigan that it would be nice if you had at least the possiblity of a partly sunny ending with her.:)

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KoP, if we ever actually have a situation where it's do-or-die with Morrigan (as described in your post), I very much look forward to your feedback. I've admired how you have been able to consider other point of views and see why people reach the conclusions they do. Considering how central Morrigan seems to be for the franchise, I'd be surprised if she'd ever be killable. I don't love that she's the only companion that we have no control over, but I get she's part of something bigger. (To answer your question, I'd say yes for my DN, but no for the DC that romanced her and no clue for the orlesian -- not enough info and depends on how well she'd get to know Morrigan. I have a notebook to remind me of the RP mindset and choices that my characters make so I can cut out as much metagaming info as possible when thinking about what decisions they'd likely make.)

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So, since I haven't participated in my favorite thread as much as I would have liked, I figured we can have something to talk about.

This is a hard question, so you have been warned. Hypothetically. Imagine that your Warden can in no way accept what Morrigan is doing. Not just the means, the ends in and of themselves. They are directly incompatible with his beliefs / interests/ conscience / what have you. Would your Warden seek to stop Morrigan? And if he does, would he go as far as killing her? What if killing her was the only option?

Alternatively, you agree or can agree with Morrigan's ends, but abhor or dislike the means she is employing. Would turn a blind eye? Would you seek to moderate her? Or would you seek to stop her?

I know the thread has had a lot of tragedy and bittersweet (Gaiderism essentially) in it already, but I personally really don't want a purely happy ending that defies all odds. Even when following Morrigan through the mirror, I was uneasy (and not only because of the stupid hurr derp face my Warden had) thinking about what might happen. I do not think Morrigan is "evil" nor do I believe she picks "evil" choices, but I know that Morrigan has little consideration for masses of people (perfectly understandable due to her upbringing) and might be imprudent, impatient, short sighted and might take things to an extreme.

So I know, or at least I am hoping, that I am going to be conflicted over this and that we won't have a purely happy ending with a Morritopia or something. Hence the questions above. Of course answering them accurately requires us to know what she is planing and what means she is using. But we can infer from what we know of her as a character, so I figured we could prepare for it hypothetically. It might lessen the impact of a potential tragedy :P


Honestly, KoP, I wouldn't have any idea what I would do, and this is a VERY good question. If I had to answer this, I have to look at my main warden's romance...

My City Elf Corviel, as I've mentioned here, I have pretty much seen for myself as having been as influenced by Morrigan as he influenced her. I see him as much more hardened than the goody-two-shoes boy scout he used to be. I honestly think, IF Morrigan's intentions really were evil, that it would end up going as far as him being so enraptured in her and desiring of family that he would possibly betray everything he previously held dear to him and become completely her's, as her general and as her possession.

So I guess based on the main romance... I would have to say... um... the OPPOSITE? :unsure:

Again, though, I really would have no idea and would have to make the decision as it comes rather than anticipate. Same for any other Morrigan-exclusive wardens I make

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My only Morrigan romancing warden who finished witch hunt, cares deeply for Fereldan and for its people. If Morrigan's plan was take over the world, or evil dominationish, sadly he would kill her.



I really hope Morrigan isint too unhappy after Everd finished Witch hunt. She has his kid, he walks up all nice then stabs her, after he laughed in her face and told her off during the DR.

Not a happy Morrigan there.

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Brockololly wrote...
 Just as she was at times the devil whispering in the Warden's ear, there isn't any reason why the Warden can't be the angel/devil whispering right back in her ear when its Morrigan's turn to make big decisions. And I think Morrigan/Warden's relationship works well that way- as Morrigan says, its a relationship of equals and I think she means that and would respect what the Warden had to say, even if she didn't agree with it.


Absoutely and I really like how Morrigan termed it.
I also like the role reversal, where she gets to make big decisions and we get to influence her for good or ill.

That of course presupposes that the Warden will be in DA3, chances are he'll vanish. And it would be a shame, I see great story potential.

Brockololly wrote...
The doom and gloom is just so predictable with everything Morrigan that it would be nice if you had at least the possiblity of a partly sunny ending with her.:)


Yeah, I didn't mean that it necessarily has to be tragic, with a big doomhammer struck at our faces, hence why I added "bittersweet". I really don't think Morrigan's change is something not at the very least questionable. I prefer if it's conflictual and makes me think. The choice in WH was in fact the hardest choice I made and that's why I loved the DLC. Because I initially thought I'd do whatever just to be with Morrigan and then I realised that I needed a really good rational reason to follow her (+ something to satisfy my ambition), not just love.

In other words, I don't want a Morritopia, where everything is perfect. That would be a non-choice really and it makes it meaningless. I think that would weaken not only the story, but the character herself.
It doesn't have to end in catastrophe, but I would prefer if it doesn't end with rainbows either.


EDIT:
To answer my own questions.

I am mostly a flexible pragmatic guy really (but strive to be moderate in all things). So if Morrigan convinces me (not persuades me) that what she is doing makes sense, is efficient and unavoidable (we have to take Flemetth into context and how she might force some decisions on us), then I'll go along with it, or moderate her. If it's unnacceptable (involves way too much death, suffering or destruction), I would stop her, by force if necessary.  Also, like I said, I followed her to be a force behind the change, not simply succumb to it, and with interests in mind. It's something Morrigan will have to consider. I don't think I would be willing to kill her if she goes against my interests and possible plans, but I would try my best to influence her. 

So in that sense, the only scenarios I imagine where I would kill her without hesitation, all involve some form of madness which I don't think Morrigan has as of yet.

I would prefer moderating and reasoning with her as much as possible. Also, if the OGB can be raised, I would definitely make sure to raise and influence him properly. Of course, I won't lie, I have very very high hopes for him (he is mostly the interests I was talking about). I think my Cousland can teach him things Morrigan cannot. Things that kid will need to know if he is going to inherit the world after it changes.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 novembre 2010 - 02:24 .