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[Jarlof Seoul]

All I know is that Morrigan rocks! Counting the days till DA2...

[Esbatty]

In The Land Of Ever - Chapter 12 is now up. Largest singular installment to date. I can't believe I lost the first half of it to a server error... erg... well at least I could re-invision the story and up the pace a tad.

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

It sounds like Morrigan is REALLY conditioned by Flemeth.

The idea about love and happiness exist in her, and she almost can grab it, Then the lessons and life she had takes over again and tries to push back against her. Almost sounds like Morrigan is deeply conflicted.

She IS really conditioned by Flemeth and IS very conflicted. Thats the whole point with her romance, I think- its being able to break through Flemeth's indoctrination to find out that there is more there than just the whole WItch of th Wilds/Survival of the Fittest deal. The Flemeth part of her won't ever go away, but its that slow character development of seeing Morrigan's more human, confused side that makes her a great character.

ximena wrote...

Even in Witch Hunt, Morrigan was still  confused with her feelings. Her duty to raise the child comes above
everything else, but there she was, delaying her journey because she  sensed the warden. Her comment about the ring makes me think that  perhaps she thought the warden would just throw it [and her] away after  her departure. But nooo. The romancing warden keeps it. XD And perhaps  she is surprised by the [romancing] warden's seemingly unending desire  to be with her.

Yeah, in Witch Hunt if you romanced her she'll say somewhat snarkily: " And you once told me love is not a weakness." So she sees the Warden's pursuit of her as a weakness of sorts it seems.

But the whole way in which they handled the ring in Witch Hunt really made  that whole DLC for me. :happy:

ximena wrote...
Though I find it funny how easily she lets the warden go with her. (Funnier if she was hostile. XD)

Yeah, that was kind of strange. I almost wonder if they had to cut stuff out there. Because its like all throughout Morrigan is all "No, you cannot follow" and at the end all you need to do  is say you're coming with her and she pretty much just gives in despite warning you that it would be better for you and her both if you stayed behind.

ximena wrote...
But I somehow wonder if Flemeth knew Morrigan would turn  against her because of that comment about her wondering (or was it being interested?) what Morrigan would do outside the wilds.

Yeah, Flemeth seems to have that power of seeing the future or something. Maybe Flemeth simply wonders if a Morrigan thats free to her own devices would embrace Flemeth's teachings on the world or rather branch out and live by her own philosophy?

PureMethodActor wrote...
This implied to me that Flemeth has played this game each time she possessed one of her daughters. Perhaps other daughters found out, and had  someone try to slay Flemeth for them, only to prove unsuccessful and for each of those daughters to be helpless and eventually possessed. More  of a theory, but it seems like Flemeth has had enough experience with  this scenario and has seen each time that a daughter's champion chose to fight rather than make a deal with Flemeth.

Yeah, that could be the case. But all of Flemeth's conversations are sooooo wishy-washy that I find it hard to even speculate on them too much.And the VO notes are just as confusing and contradictory. The one sort of constant is how Flemeth repeatedly brings up destiny and fate. I have some of Flemeth's dialogue from early on in DA2 from one of the leaked gameplay videos that I'll maybe post up later today- it gets more in the notion of fate and even mentions the Warden in a roundabout way.

Esbatty wrote...
In the end Morrigan got to see most of Ferelden, then  takes her ass/pregnant ass/ogb pregnant ass to Orlais to see the Ocean.  Thats what really stuck out with me from what she wanted by going with  the Warden on the quest against the Blight. She wanted to see the World  before she... had to to what she had to do.

Thats a nice idea- I hadn't thought that maybe Morrigan going across the Frostbacks was maybe just some alone time before knowing what she'd have to do later on. I always liked that dialogue where she talks about the ocean and seeing the cities and stuff- it sums up Morrigan's character rather well- she's a smart lady and well read, but hasn't had the chance to experience those things she has read all about.

Here is that dialogue:

What I want is to see mountains. I wish to witness the ocean and step into its waters. I want to experience a city rather than see it in my mind. (VO note: what she really wants is to experience life outside)

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 novembre 2010 - 05:06 .

[naledgeborn]

I don't know if it's been brought up or not but I feel like there's a subtle connection to the Demon that possesses Connor and Flemeth. All I've got here is when Alistair first asks her what her name is and when the Warden asks Connor what the Demon's name is and he answers. "She says there is power in names..." or something like that. I mean the answers are completely different but still it strikes me as awkward. Why would the Demon try to hide her identity from the Warden??

[Shade of Wolf]

If she has a unique name, and assuming all demons do, well then the Warden could strike a deal up with another to track her down. Or maybe she means literally controlled by her name. Who knows?

[Esbatty]

In The Land Of Ever - Ch. 13.1 "Venus In Furs"

[Lord_Anthonior]

Brockololly wrote...

Here is that dialogue:

What I want is to see mountains. I wish to witness the ocean and step into its waters. I want to experience a city rather than see it in my mind. (VO note: what she really wants is to experience life outside)

How does one get to that dialogue?  

[Bruddajakka]

Tell her you have questions when she joins after Ostagar, and ask her if this is what she wants.

[Lord_Anthonior]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Tell her you have questions when she joins after Ostagar, and ask her if this is what she wants.

Thanks, I've just started one playthrough and I'm waiting for a video capture to tape the gameplay from the ps3.

[Esbatty]

Quick question: have I been dragging things out too much or am I ending things too soon by ending iITLOE n December? I mean technically I'm halfway complete with what I've wanted to do with the story but I'm getting alot of questions in PMs and notes and emails and it seems to answer them all or the more importantones would add like another entire section to the story.

I didn't thinkthe interludes nor some of the side characters would garner such iinterest but apparnetly people really want to know what Duncan and thw wardens are really up to and Anora's preggers. Or rather should I just do one-shot stories on the side that are interlinked? Also would anyone care to read about an older Morrigan raising a teenaged OGB?

Modifié par Esbatty, 15 novembre 2010 - 05:36 .

[revan11exile]

I wonder if BioWare will use the FallOut 3 racial system to make the OGB look like our Wardens or Alistar or Logain

Modifié par revan11exile, 16 novembre 2010 - 12:48 .

[Brockololly]

A Morrigan picture, ever so slightly modded by Adneate, since this page is lackingin the picture department:

Esbatty wrote...
Also would anyone care to read about an older Morrigan raising a teenaged OGB?

Hahaha- that sounds like the premise for a sitcom or something. Lets call it "Everybody Loves Morrigan." 

Morrigan and the Warden living in a quaint little cottage in the woods, with the Warden painting the shed and Morri baking the bread. Old God Baby is now Old God acne faced adolescent! Oh no! Old God Adolescent needs braces! Old God Adolescent is hitting puberty! Whats this? As if Morrigan and the Warden didn't have enoughcrazy shenanigans, Mother in Law Flemeth is moving in next door! What zany antics will they get up to next time!? Tune in weeknights for "Everybody Loves Morrigan!" Only on TBS.

[Bruddajakka]

Hmmm isn't his soul the Old god of Beauty or whatever? Figure that would let him avoid the awkward teen phase.

[Esbatty]

Brock: I think you have DA2 fever.



Addai, Xi, Bru - time to strap him down and let Dr. Shiori operate.

[Morrigans God son]

Esbatty wrote...

Quick question: have I been dragging things out too much or am I ending things too soon by ending iITLOE n December? I mean technically I'm halfway complete with what I've wanted to do with the story but I'm getting alot of questions in PMs and notes and emails and it seems to answer them all or the more importantones would add like another entire section to the story.

I didn't thinkthe interludes nor some of the side characters would garner such iinterest but apparnetly people really want to know what Duncan and thw wardens are really up to and Anora's preggers. Or rather should I just do one-shot stories on the side that are interlinked? Also would anyone care to read about an older Morrigan raising a teenaged OGB?

 
 Oh I would! Haha. That be even better than the ogb.  Sure the slurping and drooling is good too.
I figure that teenage ogb will have all the girls flocking him, since he's the god of beauty! Alistair's charm is nothing.

Modifié par Morrigans God son, 16 novembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[Esbatty]

Great he'll be just like the Theirins then, lol.

[Morrigans God son]

Esbatty wrote...

Great he'll be just like the Theirins then, lol.

Except he won't be ginger lol. Na I don't think Morrigan would raise him to be stupid. He is an old god after all.
The warden could raise him to be stupid, but if he did (OR COULD), I don't think Morrigan would have him around for very long. *ZAAAAAP FROG TIME*

[Giggles_Manically]

So I just did the DR as a dwarf, I wonder if that will change the OG at all in the future of DA.

[Esbatty]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

So I just did the DR as a dwarf, I wonder if that will change the OG at all in the future of DA.

A half dwarf with the soul of an old god... Napoleonic Complex:happy:

[Giggles_Manically]

Still it would be cool if the race of the father had an effect on the OGB.

[Esbatty]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Still it would be cool if the race of the father had an effect on the OGB.

I'd be human with an elf or human father the only difference would be in the case of dwarven father.

[Barbarossa2010]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Still it would be cool if the race of the father had an effect on the OGB.

I agree.  You made a choice and should be allowed to see the consequence of that choice.  Dwarf sires OGB with Morrigan: the child shouldn't look pure human, nor be the height of the human.  I wouldn't hold my breath though.  One thing this crew has proven over time (if DLC is any indication) is that choices are an illusion and merely an adolescent's exercise in consequence-free decision making.  Seriously, if they are incapable of actually following through, they ought to go the ME route and stay a bit more linear with narrowed choices that can be realized (and should be honest about it).  As it is, there is just an illusion of choices (gay, straight, dwarf, elf, human noble, mage, rogue, who do I romance?, OGB or no OGB?, who is the king of Orzammar?, should I bother smuggling lyrium or siding with the werewolves?) that really don't matter and those choices only exist to cast a broad net and pander to a false sense of player participation; and those who actually pay attention and take their role-playing seriously will be left hanging looking for outcomes of decisions made.

The mere idea of "Origins" had me excited and thinking of an entirely different direction for this franchise.  Then came Hawke...Disappointing.

Apologies for the tangents, but I certainly agree with you.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 16 novembre 2010 - 04:05 .

[Brockololly]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Still it would be cool if the race of the father had an effect on the OGB.

I agree.  You made a choice and should be allowed to see the consequence of that choice.  Dwarf sires OGB with Morrigan: the child shouldn't look pure human, nor be the height of the human.  I wouldn't hold my breath though.

Yeah, well, if I recall in DA2, if you create a custom Hawke and have him darker skin colored, Bethany and CArver and Mama Hawke will be the proper skin color. And I believe from the PAX chats, Gaider mentioned how they were working on doing things with scaling ages for kids growing up into adults over the 10 years of DA2.

As for that relating to the OGB, a half dwarf OGB might be pretty rare, only because they'd presumably need to make a unique half-dwarf model and a half-dwarf child model. Whereas all other versions of the OGB would look human, even if they were elf-blooded.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

As it is, there is just an illusion of choices (gay, straight, dwarf, elf, human noble, mage, rogue, who do I romance?, OGB or no OGB?, who is the king of Orzammar?, should I bother smuggling lyrium or siding with the werewolves?) that really don't matter and those choices only exist to cast a broad net and pander to a false sense of player participation; and those who actually pay attention and take their role-playing seriously will be left hanging looking for outcomes of decisions made.

It'll be interesting to see how they handle the DR in the future.On one hand you have BioWare saying how important your choices are in creating your version of Thedas and how MOrrigan's story isn't over, yet in most interviews they basically confirm that Morrigan won't be in DA2 and that basically she'll get a tiny mention at most. So long as the DR comes around eventually and not in a totally ham fisted way, thats fine. But even with ME2, they didn't handle choices very well- they didn't even handle the carry over of romances very well there. Honestly, the best carry over in a BIoWare game was going from BG2 to ToB where it kept your romances and everything.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
The mere idea of "Origins" had me excited and thinking of an entirely different direction for this franchise.  Then came Hawke...Disappointing.

Thats the thing- you go through most DAO reviews and certain things praised like the Origins or the old school feel and massive length are seemingly gone from DA2. I don't get it- I was really hoping for more Origin story type variations in the opening of the game, maybe with different Origin stories based on how the last game ended. 

Hopefully BioWare gets it right whenever Morrigan comes back into the picture- they screw that up and I'll be done with BioWare purely out of principle.

[Barbarossa2010]

@Brock:  Super-duper, one thing we don't have to worry about is whether our child would actually look like us or not. That's at least a step in the right direction.  Now onto that whole cause and effect/consequence thing.  Consequences are a b!+ch, and I think BW might be learning that in a very real way as we speak.  

The more I think about it, the more I see "DA is all about Thedas" as a cop out.  One thing's for sure, we will see Morrigan again.  The Warden...???????

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 17 novembre 2010 - 12:34 .

[Brockololly]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

@Brock:  Super-duper, one thing we don't have to worry about is whether our child would actually look like us or not. That's at least a step in the right direction.  Now onto that whole cause and effect/consequence thing.  Consequences are a b!+ch, and I think BW might be learning that in a very real way as we speak.  

The more I think about it, the more I see "DA is all about Thedas" as a cop out.  One thing's for sure, we will see Morrigan again.  The Warden...???????

It is a cop out in the sense that they're free to simply pick up and move DA3 or whatever to some distant corner of Thedas should they want to, ignoring or marginalizing past choices. Thats not bad necessarily, provided they give some damn closure with existing storylines before doing so.

I just find it funny that DA2 is adopting so much from ME, except the whole import your main character deal. Like Terra and Shiori have said, it could be neat to take one game away from the Warden and Morrigan to set things up for their return, but that premise is all predicated on those stories eventually coming back together and the Warden/Morrigan actually returning.

Thats the million dollar question though, like you said: we know Morrigan will be back sometime in the future. The question is will the Warden return or will they just write him off or marginalize him?

And to add, I cannot stand all of the arguments how the Warden's story is over just because they beat the Blight or that there is nothing else for the Warden to do now that there isn't  a Blight or that all any story about the Warden can deal with is killing darkspawn. Ugh ugh ugh...

Modifié par Brockololly, 17 novembre 2010 - 01:14 .