In case you dare not venture on the DA2 forum, Eomer shall herald in some
more Gaider quotes on the prospects of the Warden returning-
Frankly, reading these quotes and the ones Gaider made months ago here before we were Hawke'd are eerily similar:
David Gaider wrote...
ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
Even though your the head writer and creator, I have to disagree with you from a fan viewpoint. Most of my player characters are female and doing the DR has no romantic involvement with Morrigan - except as her friend. I'm still connected to her story line having Alistair/Loghain do the DR on my behalf. I would feel cheated if my warden wasn't a part of the future and whatever is coming down the pike involving that storyline. I think this is all fans are really saying, they want their warden to see the conclusion of that plot thread to it's conclusion with the original character that started the storyline with her. I hope you and BioWare just consider those of us who did the DR would like our wardens to be a part of that.
Sure, I get that "from a fan viewpoint" it's hard to see past the one character which you're emotionally connected to. I'd hope that you see, however, everyone essentially asking for different things-- if we did give them what they're asking for, I suspect that for most people that wouldn't actually be what they wanted. They don't really want a brand new story with the Warden and the requisite "re-booting" that would come along with that (both from a gameplay and story perspective)... they want their personal narrative to continue on, their relationships to continue, and every hanging plot thread to be neatly tied up so they're not left wondering what something might have led to down the road.
Walking off into the sunset doesn't do those things, no, but I'd also suggest that not walking off into the sunset might be much worse "from a fan viewpoint"... so be careful what you ask for, because you just might get it. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png
David Gaider wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
To keep the ranting short, if it's not clear that you can bring the Warden back, it would have been better to be subtle (Awakening epilogue) and less ambitious about choices (Witch Hunt).
Maybe.
A story "not being finished" is, however, not the same as a story "being continued only with the Warden as a PC". I get that some people might really want that, and not be able to wrap their heads around how it could be
otherwise, but that doesn't make it the only possibility-- or the only desireable outcome, neither for you as the fan nor for us as the creators.
If we leave our bases open sometimes, it's often because we don't like to write ourselves in a corner and have something absolute that makes it much more awkward to pick up if we need to-- not that we don't get some of that anyhow, even so. But if someone's assertation is that "the Warden's story isn't finished" then I simply have to disagree. The Warden's story was the story of DAO: the Blight and the fight against the Archdemon. It's done. As I said before, if the Warden was to feature again in the future it would require a new story-- and a side plot does not that story make, despite how much some people seem to magnify its personal importance in their heads.
The Morrigan side plot applies here in particular-- some people seem to think that's "the Warden's story" simply because their PC intersected with it (possibly-- though only possibly-- in a very significant way). But that's not the Warden's story. That's Morrigan's story. While the Warden may feature a prominent (or even starring) role in it, that's not the same as it being about the Warden... if you can remove a character from the story and it survives intact, then I think that pretty much proves the point.
Again, does that mean we're done with the Warden ever appearing again? Possibly... or maybe not. I promise nothing, and we have our own plans for how the overall story arc is going to resolve itself. My only comment is directed towards some of the anguished hand-wringing or the people asserting that there's only one possible way for this to go and anything else is some kind of broken promise (one that was neither made nor implied). I'm simply saying there's a big difference between where someone might say they want the story to head, what they would actually be happy with and where it would be wise to go.
No doubt this is no different than any story or series that has fans who express a personal need for a story to provide them something specific, and then being unhappy if it doesn't roll that way-- but some perspective would be nice. Unrealistic for me to expect, probably, but so be it.
David Gaider wrote...
PureMethodActor wrote...
David, don't listen to anyone who tells you what to do, like Legbiter is. We Warden supporters at least haven't done that. We know its your team's game and you can do what you want. We've only been giving explanations for why we feel its right or wise to continue the Warden's story when Morrigan returns.
Oh, I get why it could be potentially compelling if the Warden was the PC if and when Morrigan's story reappeared... perhaps more compelling then her story not being told through a Warden PC, it's really hard for anyone to judge that without knowing the context of her reappearance. For all the other stuff
that would have to happen in order to get that one scenario, however, I'm not convinced as to just how right or wise it would be... and I suspect those who are advocating it aren't thinking much beyond that one scenario as to the larger context it would have to take place in. There isn't much of a notion, it seems, as to just what the Warden PC would be doing otherwise, and while some people at least make a vague gesture towards admitting "it would be difficult to continue the Warden as a PC" they usually then proceed to ignore that admission.
Is that bad? No, I get that too-- it's an emotional connection that not everyone wants to abandon just yet. Some people want stories to keep going no matter what, regardless of whether we wish to keep telling it or whether there's a rational thread for that story to hinge on beyond whatever element they're missing.
All I'm going to say is I doubt we'd simply disregard the choices the Warden made, especially with regards to how it affected Morrigan's story. And we haven't ruled out anything. If I seem over-cautious it's only in the interest of not letting people's expectations run out of control... or in answer to those who suggest there's some kind of promise to keep the Warden going as a PC, or that a sequel couldn't possibly exist without it (which is just plain wrong). You're free to want what you want and request it, by all means. As to what the future holds, we shall see.
*sigh* To quote Han Solo, "I've got a bad feeling about this..."
Its interesting that he says Morrigan's story is only a side plot, which makes me kind of question whether Morrigan really doesn't have that big of a role to play in the future- or he was just saying her mystery plot was a side plot in Origins. I get that he's trying to temper expectations but its about the same thing he said prior to DA2.
Axekix wrote...
OT: Can someone hook me up with a screenshot of Morrigan's mini-shelf of vials she keeps in camp?
I 'm pretty sure I've got some- I'll check...
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