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[Brockololly]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

Yeah, but all that stuff has to do with DA2, and who cares about DA2?
I don't

Ha- yeah, the only reason I may end up begrudgingly getting DA2 is to see how the world "changes" in such a way that it could precipitate the return of Morrigan.

[Lord_Anthonior]

Brockololly wrote...

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

Yeah, but all that stuff has to do with DA2, and who cares about DA2?
I don't

Ha- yeah, the only reason I may end up begrudgingly getting DA2 is to see how the world "changes" in such a way that it could precipitate the return of Morrigan.

Personally that's my reason, to stay on track of the things to come, events and conversations and that the setting of the changes will be fitting for my playthrough and for her return.

[Master Shiori]

I'm actually excited for DA2. Sure, finding out more about Morrigan and all the choices from Origins that may be recognized in the game is a huge motivation, but I also like what I've heard so far of Hawke's story and asm interested in new companions, locations and lore.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 22 décembre 2010 - 07:47 .

[LTS_Guitarian]

Master Shiori wrote...

I'm actually excited for DA2. Sure, finding out more about Morrigan and all the choices from Origins that may be recognized in the game is a huge motivation, but I also like what I've heard so far of Hawke's story and asm interested in new companions, locations and lore.

*shrugs*
I dunno.  I guess it may have to do with the fact that I never would have played Origins if someone hadn't given it to me as a gift last Christmas.  I had no idea about the game whatsoever.  Until I ran into Morrigan, it was a very ordinary RPG in my view.  

What's the point in building a connection to all the characters in the game if they're only going to drop all that?  To me, that's like Empire Strikes Back not having Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker in it and being based on an entirely new story which may or may not be connected in some small way to the previous installment.

Other people might feel differently, and that's cool.  But I sense great disappointment over the horizon...

[Master Shiori]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

I'm actually excited for DA2. Sure, finding out more about Morrigan and all the choices from Origins that may be recognized in the game is a huge motivation, but I also like what I've heard so far of Hawke's story and asm interested in new companions, locations and lore.

*shrugs*
I dunno.  I guess it may have to do with the fact that I never would have played Origins if someone hadn't given it to me as a gift last Christmas.  I had no idea about the game whatsoever.  Until I ran into Morrigan, it was a very ordinary RPG in my view.  

What's the point in building a connection to all the characters in the game if they're only going to drop all that?  To me, that's like Empire Strikes Back not having Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker in it and being based on an entirely new story which may or may not be connected in some small way to the previous installment.

Other people might feel differently, and that's cool.  But I sense great disappointment over the horizon...

I get what you're saying.

Bioware says that Dragon Age is about Thedas, which means we aren't going to play as a protagonist in every game. Yet, they never denied that the old protagonists, like DA:O Warden, cannot come back at some point in the future.

It's a new approach and one that I, as long time Bioware fan, aren't familiar with. Will it work? Only time will tell, but it'll definitely take getting used to, especially since their other series, Mass Effect, is doing the exact opposite.

[MKDAWUSS]

Master Shiori wrote...

I'm actually excited for DA2. Sure, finding out more about Morrigan and all the choices from Origins that may be recognized in the game is a huge motivation, but I also like what I've heard so far of Hawke's story and asm interested in new companions, locations and lore.

I'm getting more and more warmed up to it, but I'll probably be seeing it as a quick excursion that expands the world of Thedas (albeit slightly), and probably be ready to say bye-bye to Hawke when I'm done with DA2.

[MKDAWUSS]

Master Shiori wrote...

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

I'm actually excited for DA2. Sure, finding out more about Morrigan and all the choices from Origins that may be recognized in the game is a huge motivation, but I also like what I've heard so far of Hawke's story and asm interested in new companions, locations and lore.

*shrugs*
I dunno.  I guess it may have to do with the fact that I never would have played Origins if someone hadn't given it to me as a gift last Christmas.  I had no idea about the game whatsoever.  Until I ran into Morrigan, it was a very ordinary RPG in my view.  

What's the point in building a connection to all the characters in the game if they're only going to drop all that?  To me, that's like Empire Strikes Back not having Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker in it and being based on an entirely new story which may or may not be connected in some small way to the previous installment.

Other people might feel differently, and that's cool.  But I sense great disappointment over the horizon...

I get what you're saying.

Bioware says that Dragon Age is about Thedas, which means we aren't going to play as a protagonist in every game. Yet, they never denied that the old protagonists, like DA:O Warden, cannot come back at some point in the future.

It's a new approach and one that I, as long time Bioware fan, aren't familiar with. Will it work? Only time will tell, but it'll definitely take getting used to, especially since their other series, Mass Effect, is doing the exact opposite.

I guess it's kinda like Star Wars, where the protagonists change from era to era. The thing is, SW waited a bit until the world was built enough before breaking away from the initial core of characters to show us a new set of lead roles.

[Barbarossa2010]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

What's the point in building a connection to all the characters in the game if they're only going to drop all that?  To me, that's like Empire Strikes Back not having Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker in it and being based on an entirely new story which may or may not be connected in some small way to the previous installment.

Other people might feel differently, and that's cool.  But I sense great disappointment over the horizon...

A point I have been making ad nauseum for a year.  I've stepped away from the table because of it, but am glad others are as disappointed as I.  Of course, you are destined for the label "myopic" since you can't seem to embrace "change."

Nah, Origins screamed for a direct sequel due to the immersive experience and unique character development, especially with the interaction of our Wardens with a romanced Swamp Witch and her untimely and bizarre Ritual.  Jettisoning that buy-in captial for no good reason (that I've heard anyway) makes zero sense from a game perspective.  The only conclusion one can walk away with is that it is being done from a pure bean counting, ease of development, and consequence aversion perspective.  Sorry but that's not good enough for me.  Why would I ever immerse into another DA story but only to meet the next set of flushable PC and characters passing through the revolving door.  Thedas cannot compete with the Warden as a main character.  That's BW's fault by doing such a good job bringing us into the game.  I, honestly, was shocked when DA2 was announced with Hawke as the PC.  I, and more than one or two others out there, think its a bad idea.  I hope BW does well with the franchise, I just really think they've screwed the pooch in their effort to economize.  I don't begrudge them a profit, by any means, I just disapprove of their method after raising expectations in the first installment.

If the Warden and his companions are gone, then to me, it is no longer Dragon Age.  Just my two cents.

[freakanarchist]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

If the Warden and his companions are gone, then to me, it is no longer Dragon Age.  Just my two cents.

I totally get what you're saying. And I almost feel the same way, but I guess they'll simply be different games. Not much to do as a warden now, I expect, with everything done and over. Origins is a good game, but maybe if you keep stretching it, it starts to suck. Like, The Cure, or some movies.

Modifié par freakanarchist, 23 décembre 2010 - 01:25 .

[LTS_Guitarian]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

I guess it's kinda like Star Wars, where the protagonists change from era to era. The thing is, SW waited a bit until the world was built enough before breaking away from the initial core of characters to show us a new set of lead roles.

SW didn't give us a set of new roles, they started in the middle and came back to explain where the roles came from. Big difference. 

Bioware can say it's about Thedas all they want to.  That's just an ploy for them to create more leeway for themselves.  The truth of the matter is, DA is about the Grey Warden and everyone except Bioware seems to get that.  And when sales fall short of expectations (which they probably will considering the raging debates about it) it'll be our (the consumers) fault because we never gave the new franchise a chance.  What they need to understand was that we didn't want a new franchise in the first place. 

How many of you would have played ME2 if Sheppard wasn't in it and the choices from the first game amounted to nothing?

I'm just saying....

[MKDAWUSS]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

I guess it's kinda like Star Wars, where the protagonists change from era to era. The thing is, SW waited a bit until the world was built enough before breaking away from the initial core of characters to show us a new set of lead roles.

SW didn't give us a set of new roles, they started in the middle and came back to explain where the roles came from. Big difference. 

I was also referring to the EU, not just the films.

[LTS_Guitarian]

I don't know what EU is, so I'm a bit lost. (other than the European Union, which I doubt is what you meant)

I was speaking strictly in a canon sense.

[LTS_Guitarian]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...


A point I have been making ad nauseum for a year.  I've stepped away from the table because of it, but am glad others are as disappointed as I.  Of course, you are destined for the label "myopic" since you can't seem to embrace "change."

They can label me whatever they wish.  As long as it's my money I'll spend it on what I wish.  And Bioware isn't getting one red cent from me until they finish what they started.

Modifié par LTS_Guitarian, 23 décembre 2010 - 02:57 .

[Loup Blanc]

EU = expanded universe??

[IndigoWolfe]

... bah! Sat here trying to think of something profound to post about Morrigan but alas; 'twas not to be.

I need to go to bed...

[Lord_Anthonior]

Just recent excellent art, from Ximena:

[Master Shiori]

Ximena outdid herself yet again.

[Master Shiori]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...


A point I have been making ad nauseum for a year.  I've stepped away from the table because of it, but am glad others are as disappointed as I.  Of course, you are destined for the label "myopic" since you can't seem to embrace "change."

They can label me whatever they wish.  As long as it's my money I'll spend it on what I wish.  And Bioware isn't getting one red cent from me until they finish what they started.

Since Origins was a tale of stopping the Archdemon and the Blight, I'd say they finished that properly. What you probably want to see (as do I and others here) is a new adventure for the Warden (one that involves Morrigan ofc).

Will we get that? Who knows. Bioware isn't saying anything on the matter other than that all options are open at this point. We know that Morrigan will be back in the future (maybe as early as DA3). What we don't know is whether the Warden himself will be back as well.

[Master Shiori]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

SW didn't give us a set of new roles, they started in the middle and came back to explain where the roles came from. Big difference. 

Bioware can say it's about Thedas all they want to.  That's just an ploy for them to create more leeway for themselves.  The truth of the matter is, DA is about the Grey Warden and everyone except Bioware seems to get that.  And when sales fall short of expectations (which they probably will considering the raging debates about it) it'll be our (the consumers) fault because we never gave the new franchise a chance.  What they need to understand was that we didn't want a new franchise in the first place. 

How many of you would have played ME2 if Sheppard wasn't in it and the choices from the first game amounted to nothing?

I'm just saying....

I honestly doubt Dragon Age 2 will fail commercialy simply because it doesn't feature the same protagonist as Origins or because it isn't a direct sequal.

I knew nothing about DA:O, Grey Wardens, companions or Thedas itself before I bought the game. I came to love it only after I had a chance to play through it and experience the story, romances and interaction with my companions.
In the same way I currently feel nothing about Hawke or his party (though I do find several companions to be quite interesting based on what little information I have about them). Once I had a chance to experience Dragon Age 2 (and provided the story and companions are as good as they were in Origins) I'll likely come to love it as well.

The point I'm trying to make here is that I'd rather have several Dragon Age games with different protagonists that are all loosely tied together in some way, then only have 1 game with a Grey Warden. That would be a terrible loss for what has a potential to become an awesome franchise.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 23 décembre 2010 - 02:13 .

[sevalaricgirl]

I am a Morrigan fan, not that I romanced her (female warden here) but I loved that she considered my warden her one true friend and I took the DR as her attempt to keep me alive, nothing more. She doesn't want to do it and hates herself for it (if you watch her reaction after she speaks to Alistair about doing her duty and asks him if he loves my warden to which he says yes). Alistair tells her that she's never had a friend and she replies "only one". I was disappointed at first that DA2 did not have all of my favorite characters in it, but I've come to the conclusion that it will be a good game as long as they have interesting characters. Of course, Alistair will always stay as my desktop wallpaper and I'll play DAO many times. I've played it 9 times. I'm playing KOTOR right now and it just doesn't feel the same but my son convinced me that I should play it just to say that I've played it, lol. I love Mass Effect but I don't think that Bioware developed it as well as they developed Dragon Age Origins and I can only hope that DA2 turns out as well. Before Morrigan went into the mirror in Witch Hunt, she called me her friend and I wanted to say "Wait, don't go" but I knew that she had her fate and I, as the princess consort, had mine.

[LTS_Guitarian]

Master Shiori wrote...

I honestly doubt Dragon Age 2 will fail commercialy simply because it doesn't feature the same protagonist as Origins or because it isn't a direct sequal.

I knew nothing about DA:O, Grey Wardens, companions or Thedas itself before I bought the game. I came to love it only after I had a chance to play through it and experience the story, romances and interaction with my companions.
In the same way I currently feel nothing about Hawke or his party (though I do find several companions to be quite interesting based on what little information I have about them). Once I had a chance to experience Dragon Age 2 (and provided the story and companions are as good as they were in Origins) I'll likely come to love it as well.

The point I'm trying to make here is that I'd rather have several Dragon Age games with different protagonists that are all loosely tied together in some way, then only have 1 game with a Grey Warden. That would be a terrible loss for what has a potential to become an awesome franchise.

I didn't say DA2 would fail, I said it might fall below expectations and the consumers would somehow be to blame.  

And while those are your opinions and I certainly respect them, I am not inclined to agree.
I, personally, don't feel like hopping from story to story each time a new DA comes out.  There isn't any point to that.  That's like a TV show that revolves around a different cast each week.  It's hard to get invested in something like that.  Once bitten, twice shy.   And I'm finding that many here agree with me.

I just can't be a fanboy of Bioware and accept whatever they throw at me.  My brain isn't wired that way.  What if the Two Towers had nothing to do with Frodo or Aragorn, even though Fellowship ended the way it did?  That's exactly what we're looking at here.  I'm not saying focus only on the Warden and his companions, I'm saying finish the damned story before they move on.  And, as I've stated over and over, until they do, there's going to be a lot of people, myself included, who take a pass on DA2, and maybe even more, until they finish what they started.

Modifié par LTS_Guitarian, 23 décembre 2010 - 03:39 .

[LTS_Guitarian]

 

Happy Holidays everyone:D

[Lord_Anthonior]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

 

Happy Holidays everyone:D

Now that's what I call Christmas spirit!!

[ximena]

Hello Morrithread! Happy Holidays! I really intended to draw some Xmas Morrigan art but alas, I have no time anymore. XD Perhaps some other moment.