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[Lord_Anthonior]

ximena wrote...

Hello Morrithread! Happy Holidays! I really intended to draw some Xmas Morrigan art but alas, I have no time anymore. XD Perhaps some other moment.

After the "peace offering" I'd say that we can be patient.

[Brockololly]

This is about as cringe worthy a play on words I'll ever do;)

[LTS_Guitarian]

Brockololly wrote...

This is about as cringe worthy a play on words I'll ever do;)

Oh Gawd...
OK, I'll admit it.  I laughed. 

[LTS_Guitarian]

I tried doing one with Morrigan wearing nothing but a bow and a smile, but that turned out to be a little harder than I figured. 

But, oh man, imagine finding that under your tree come Xmas morn'...

Modifié par LTS_Guitarian, 25 décembre 2010 - 03:24 .

[Lord_Anthonior]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

I tried doing one with Morrigan wearing nothing but a bow and a smile, but that turned out to be a little harder than I figured. 

But, oh man, imagine finding that under your tree come Xmas morn'...

One could have been either very good or very bad during the year and yet finding her under the tree is the perfect Xmas concieveable. And yeah, a bow, a smile and a wink

Morri Xmas everybody! (I was thinking of "carol of bells" with the trans siberian orchestra and the lyrics "Morri Morri Morri xmas, out in the wilds, all in good cheer..." etc etc.)

[soundchaser721]

 Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all! My Christmas list: Morrigan and the Warden to return in DA3 

[Swoo]

Haha, very funny in a horrible sort of way. Well played good sir.

Happy holidays to you all, and I agree with the DA3 sentiment!

Brockololly wrote...

This is about as cringe worthy a play on words I'll ever do;)

[Giggles_Manically]

I think the games being focused on the world itself can work for Dragon Age.



The Elder Scrolls each feature new areas, and move the story decades away from the last one, and they still have a very deep world.



Although they do keep the amount of endings down, or the results to being things that die down very quietly.

Strangely enough TES 5 is supposed to be a direct sequel to TES 4.

[LTS_Guitarian]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think the games being focused on the world itself can work for Dragon Age.

The Elder Scrolls each feature new areas, and move the story decades away from the last one, and they still have a very deep world.

Although they do keep the amount of endings down, or the results to being things that die down very quietly.
Strangely enough TES 5 is supposed to be a direct sequel to TES 4.

Yeah, but Elder scrolls didn't end in the middle of the story.

I don't like reading books that are missing the last few chapters either...

Obliviion is the closest to breaking that rule.  It would have been nice to see who was running the empire after the whole "Emporer turns into a giant statue" thing.  So I can see a direct sequel making sense there.

[Master Shiori]

Happy Holidays to everyone in the Morri thread!!

[Jarlof Seoul]

soundchaser721 wrote...

 Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all! My Christmas list: Morrigan and the Warden to return in DA3 

I second that!

[Giggles_Manically]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think the games being focused on the world itself can work for Dragon Age.

The Elder Scrolls each feature new areas, and move the story decades away from the last one, and they still have a very deep world.

Although they do keep the amount of endings down, or the results to being things that die down very quietly.
Strangely enough TES 5 is supposed to be a direct sequel to TES 4.

Yeah, but Elder scrolls didn't end in the middle of the story.

I don't like reading books that are missing the last few chapters either...

Obliviion is the closest to breaking that rule.  It would have been nice to see who was running the empire after the whole "Emporer turns into a giant statue" thing.  So I can see a direct sequel making sense there.

In the Infernal City (novel) they do tell what happens to the empire to some extent. 

[Brockololly]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think the games being focused on the world itself can work for Dragon Age.

The Elder Scrolls each feature new areas, and move the story decades away from the last one, and they still have a very deep world.

Thats the thing though- with Bethesda games, the whole free roam aspect makes it so the world is as much a character as anything. The problem with DA being centered on the timeline of Thedas is that what makes BioWare games are the characters themselves. So you simply get the roster update going and uproot the setting with each DA game and I don't know that it works as well as what Bethesda does.

Sure you can create a deep world that way, but is it a world I really give a crap about when the companions and characters are one and done every single time?

LTS_Guitarian wrote...
Yeah, but Elder scrolls didn't end in the middle of the story.

I don't like reading books that are missing the last few chapters either...

Right- the issue with DAO is if you're involved with Morrigan, you feel as if your Warden's role is not over. There is no satisfying conclusion to everything just one cliffhanger after another. If we eventually get resolution in a meaningful way, thats great. But at this stage it would seem like DA is headed the NWN route of new PC's every time with KOTOR2-esque cameos of old companions showing up in absolutely meaningless ways to the new Epic Hero PC. Meh.

[LTS_Guitarian]

I hope everyone had a good Xmas. I certainly did.

I got a 42" LED TV, so Morrigan looks even better than ever, along with a new playstation Move.

Now all I have to do is wait to see if Bioware will make Origins compatible with the Move (Imagine playing the DR or even tent time like that..*cackle*).



On a side note...the PS Move is cool and all, but the Wiimote is still better. The movements are more accurate and you don't have to calibrate the thing every time you want to play something.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think the games being focused on the world itself can work for Dragon Age.

The Elder Scrolls each feature new areas, and move the story decades away from the last one, and they still have a very deep world.

Thats the thing though- with Bethesda games, the whole free roam aspect makes it so the world is as much a character as anything. The problem with DA being centered on the timeline of Thedas is that what makes BioWare games are the characters themselves. So you simply get the roster update going and uproot the setting with each DA game and I don't know that it works as well as what Bethesda does.

Sure you can create a deep world that way, but is it a world I really give a crap about when the companions and characters are one and done every single time?

Ok, I'll bite and play a devil's advocate for the sake of discussion.

Aren't the writers you're talking about the very same ones who gave you the Warden, Morrigan and whichever other companion you care about?
Aren't they the ones who made you care about these characters in the first place?
If so, wouldn't they be able to do so again with a brand new cast?

Now granted, I'm not a fan of switching protagonists with every single game either, but I certainly can appreaciate a new cast of characters and a new story provided they live up to the standards set by the previous one(s).
My concern is that making a compeling character like Warden ot Hawke, only to dump them after a single story is a waste. Not to mention that by DA3 you'll have both the Warden and Hawke fans clamouring for their return. Even should Bioware bring one of them back in, say, DA4 or 5, the fans of the other will feel left out since it's not their protagonist that's coming back.

Not a great situation no matter how you look at it.

Brockololly wrote...

LTS_Guitarian wrote...
Yeah, but Elder scrolls didn't end in the middle of the story.

I don't like reading books that are missing the last few chapters either...

Right- the issue with DAO is if you're involved with Morrigan, you feel as if your Warden's role is not over. There is no satisfying conclusion to everything just one cliffhanger after another. If we eventually get resolution in a meaningful way, thats great. But at this stage it would seem like DA is headed the NWN route of new PC's every time with KOTOR2-esque cameos of old companions showing up in absolutely meaningless ways to the new Epic Hero PC. Meh.

DA:O didn't end in the middle of the story either. The story of DA:O is the fight against the Blight and the Archdemon, which ended after your Warden killed him atop Fort Drakon.
Sure, the game left loose ends, one of which is Morrigan, Flemeth and OGB (provided you made certain choices concerning those characters). That, however, is a whole new story, not a continuation of the old one.

Morrigan's story certainly isn't over, as the writers themselves have confirmed. Whether of not the Warden is going to play a part in it remains to be seen. But the point is this; the story from here on is about Morrigan herself, not about the Warden. While they are compelling reasons to have the Warden take part in that story, he isn't integral to it and the story itself can be told without him.
I'm in camp that believes the inclusion of the Warden can only enhance the story and provide it with a bigger emotional playoff, but I'm under no illusion that the Warden is apsolutely neccesery in order to tell Morrigan's story.

[bl00dsh0t]

Damn the thread is still going strong Happy belated holidays dudes and dudettes!!



Still the lack of new morri info is somewhat maddening at the moment, and how they are holding us hostage over even just the possebility of morrigan returning...or well they have stated that she is significant in the future of the franchise...but the wardens fate is still one design decision away from occurring or not and that makes me a very sad panda...still ;D



I think I am going to take the plunge though, just took my time to upgrade my rig over the holidays and the damn thing will be awesome enough to rock DA2 with all dx11 goodness (all hail the 6950 backed by a 3.2ghz amd hexacore ) Still I am wondering whether or not DA2 will be worth the money though, as much as Shiori's enthusiasm and logic compells me to hit that preorder button...I have still found myself agreeing a bit too much with the allmighty Brockmasters brand of pessimism



Thus i shallt hold untill the last moment and probably order in panic within hours of the deadline expiring...sigh how annoying is it that the only thing making it more likely to see morrigan and the warden reunited is to back a new take on dragon age that in the worst case scenario sets the tone for DA3 and future titles if reviewers and players find the voiced protagonist to be the most awesome thing ever.... ahh some holiday pessimism, aint it jolly ;D

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...
Aren't the writers you're talking about the very same ones who gave you the Warden, Morrigan and whichever other companion you care about?
Aren't they the ones who made you care about these characters in the first place?
If so, wouldn't they be able to do so again with a brand new cast?

Sure. I don't doubt that the writers can make good characters again. I do worry that given the lack of closure given to many of the Origins characters, you'll simply be viewing most of these new characters as "Morrigan 2.0" or "Alistair 2.0" and so forth.

Master Shiori wrote...
Now granted, I'm not a fan of switching protagonists with every single game either, but I certainly can appreaciate a new cast of characters and a new story provided they live up to the standards set by the previous one(s).

Thats the thing- how will they stand up compared to Origins' characters? And the fact that we've got the voiced PC is likely going to distance me from the companions before I've even met them. Let alone how the dialogue system works. Just as the Awakening companions were mostly ok, its the way in which you interact with them just as much as their writing that determines how much I'll care about them.

Master Shiori wrote...
My concern is that making a compeling character like Warden ot Hawke, only to dump them after a single story is a waste. Not to mention that by DA3 you'll have both the Warden and Hawke fans clamouring for their return. Even should Bioware bring one of them back in, say, DA4 or 5, the fans of the other will feel left out since it's not their protagonist that's coming back.

I think if they do indeed go with a new protagonist and mostly new companions every game, its a pretty quick way to burn out the franchise or run it into the ground pretty quick. I just hope that they don't avoid bringing PC's back just because they want to do something new for the sake of new every time.

Master Shiori wrote...
DA:O didn't end in the middle of the story either. The story of DA:O is the fight against the Blight and the Archdemon, which ended after your Warden killed him atop Fort Drakon.
Sure, the game left loose ends, one of which is Morrigan, Flemeth and OGB (provided you made certain choices concerning those characters). That, however, is a whole new story, not a continuation of the old one.

Which is the problem with Origins if you have your Warden at all interested in Morrigan- sure the story is about the Blight. But they started  A WHOLE NEW STORY AT THE END OF THE GAME. The whole OGB thing surely doesn't have to happen in everyone's game, but the very notion that Morrigan knows this sort of freaky ritual and has some super secret plan involving it is sprung on you at the last minute in the game and as the player you're strung along with that through Origins and then Witch Hunt with no resolution? Bah. Sure its a new story, but thats the problem- they started a new story, not just a plot thread, at the end of the game and its not clear that they'll ever resolve it in a meaningful way.

Master Shiori wrote...
Morrigan's story certainly isn't over, as the writers themselves have confirmed. Whether of not the Warden is going to play a part in it remains to be seen. But the point is this; the story from here on is about Morrigan herself, not about the Warden. While they are compelling reasons to have the Warden take part in that story, he isn't integral to it and the story itself can be told without him.

We don't know that- yeah, we know right now that Morrigan's story is not over. But whats the point of WH and the end of Origins if the Warden cannot be involved either based on the choices afforded the player? Is it really only Morrigan's story when the Warden can go into the Eluvian right alongside her and possibly be the father to the OGB? Nevermind Morrigan telling the Warden to have all Wardens ready for the change to come? Fact is that we have no clue if the Wardens are integral to Morrigan's story or not at this juncture. For all we know, the rest of Morrigan's story is simply fast forwarding 20 years to have Morrigan in a cutscene only to get crushed by a giant rock. 

Its easy to brew worst case scenarios as I'm not fond of the direction DA seems to be headed, and as much as I trust the writers, they get their direction from Laidlaw and Darrah, who while they may be fantastic human beings, I'm not buying into where they're taking DA.

Master Shiori wrote...
I'm in camp that believes the inclusion of the Warden can only enhance the story and provide it with a bigger emotional playoff, but I'm under no illusion that the Warden is apsolutely neccesery in order to tell Morrigan's story.

Sure, and without the Warden who has been heavily involved in Morrigan's story there at the conclusion, whats the point? Might as well read a history book or the cliffnotes if they're so intent on sucking out any emotional engagement.

bl00dsh0t wrote..
I think I am going to take the plunge though,  just took my time to upgrade my rig over the holidays and the damn thing
will be awesome enough to rock DA2 with all dx11 goodness (all hail the 6950 backed by a 3.2ghz amd hexacore )

Nice- I'm now enjoying DAO on my new Dell U2311h monitorB)

bl00dsh0t wrote..
Still I am wondering whether  or not DA2 will be worth the money though, as much as Shiori's
enthusiasm and logic compells me to hit that preorder button...I have  still found myself agreeing a bit too much with the allmighty  Brockmasters brand of pessimism

Haha- I'm just waiting to see something compelling about DA2. Anything. Flemeth and how everything may affect DA3  is the only reason I'm interested right now. The player VO and shortened length really really make me want to wait- nevermind the ton of games I've gotten off of Steam as of late. Yet, I've got a bunch of Amazon giftcards, so DA2 wouldn't technically cost anything to me; but I don't know that I want to monetarily support something that seems so intent on stripping out much that I liked in Origins.

bl00dsh0t wrote..
Thus i shallt hold untill the  last moment and probably order in panic within hours of the deadline  expiring...sigh how annoying is it that the only thing making it more  likely to see morrigan and the warden reunited is to back a new take on  dragon age that in the worst case scenario sets the tone for DA3 and  future titles if reviewers and players find the voiced protagonist to be the most awesome thing ever.... ahh some holiday pessimism, aint it  jolly ;D

Bingo Bl00dshot.

The big thing stopping me from preordering is the character- if it will just be included with new copies anyway like Shale, I can wait. But even if I buy the game, a minor miracle will have to happen to have me as invested in DA2 as I have been with Origins. The player VO just doesn't work for me in terms of retaining any sense of player agency- its why I just don't care too much about Shepard and crew and haven't touched ME2 since February (among other issues I have with ME2). But I really doubt DA2 will get bad reviews- BioWare seems to get a huge pass on these things and since most reviews are console focused, I'm sure any of the console changes will be praised even if the PC version is relatively worse than Origins on PC.

Modifié par Brockololly, 28 décembre 2010 - 05:44 .

[revan11exile]

Guys i found this pic of Victoria Johnson and Morrigan but i though that Claudia Black was the model for Morrigan

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Sure. I don't doubt that the writers can make good characters again. I do worry that given the lack of closure given to many of the Origins characters, you'll simply be viewing most of these new characters as "Morrigan 2.0" or "Alistair 2.0" and so forth.

That depends on whether the said characters are intended to take part in stories beyond DA2 (like Morrigan is) or not.

Brockololly wrote...

I think if they do indeed go with a new protagonist and mostly new companions every game, its a pretty quick way to burn out the franchise or run it into the ground pretty quick. I just hope that they don't avoid bringing PC's back just because they want to do something new for the sake of new every time.

They said they might bring back the old PC's if there's a good story to tell. They just don't want to bring them back for the sake of bringing them back.

Brockololly wrote...

Which is the problem with Origins if you have your Warden at all interested in Morrigan- sure the story is about the Blight. But they started  A WHOLE NEW STORY AT THE END OF THE GAME. The whole OGB thing surely doesn't have to happen in everyone's game, but the very notion that Morrigan knows this sort of freaky ritual and has some super secret plan involving it is sprung on you at the last minute in the game and as the player you're strung along with that through Origins and then Witch Hunt with no resolution? Bah. Sure its a new story, but thats the problem- they started a new story, not just a plot thread, at the end of the game and its not clear that they'll ever resolve it in a meaningful way.

They clearly said that story isn't over, so yes, they'll resolve it for Morrigan. Whether not the Warden will ltake part in it is anyone's guess. Gaider said they haven't decided on that yet, so I guess anything is possible at this point.

Brockololly wrote...

We don't know that- yeah, we know right now that Morrigan's story is not over. But whats the point of WH and the end of Origins if the Warden cannot be involved either based on the choices afforded the player? Is it really only Morrigan's story when the Warden can go into the Eluvian right alongside her and possibly be the father to the OGB? Nevermind Morrigan telling the Warden to have all Wardens ready for the change to come? Fact is that we have no clue if the Wardens are integral to Morrigan's story or not at this juncture. For all we know, the rest of Morrigan's story is simply fast forwarding 20 years to have Morrigan in a cutscene only to get crushed by a giant rock. 

Its easy to brew worst case scenarios as I'm not fond of the direction DA seems to be headed, and as much as I trust the writers, they get their direction from Laidlaw and Darrah, who while they may be fantastic human beings, I'm not buying into where they're taking DA.

It's not like DA would be the first series to have a new protagonist with each new game. Will such an approach work? Maybe. Time will tell, since it's too early to say right now.

Witch Hunt is more a closure to MorriganxWarden relationship then a hint of a new adventure for them. Sure, she warns the Wardens to be ready for what is to come, but that doesn't mean we will play as a Warden (any Warden) in DA3. Hell, we might get a non-Warden protagonist ala Hawke or even a brand new Warden character.
And yes, the story is only Morrigan's. Why? Because if you take Morrigan out of it the story can't stand on it's own. But take the Warden out and you still have a story left to tell. You simply need a different protagonist. Same as in Origins.
Could DA:O work without Morrigan? Sure, you simply lose 1 possible ending (DR).
Could it work without the Warden? Not really, unless you're buying the whole "Alistair unites Ferelden against the Blight" nonsense from DSC...

Brockololly wrote...

Sure, and without the Warden who has been heavily involved in Morrigan's story there at the conclusion, whats the point? Might as well read a history book or the cliffnotes if they're so intent on sucking out any emotional engagement.

Except that emotional engagement was created by the writers theselves, not by Warden or Morrigan. Who's to say they cannot make equally emotionaly engaging story with just Morrigan? For those of us who played DA:O and romanced Morri there will always be some kind of engagement to her character, whether or not the Warden takes part. A new PC may not care about her right from the start, but it's YOU who are giving that new PC his personality and controlling his actions. You get to decide what he cares about.
As long as the PC gets to have a say in what happens to Morrigan and as long as her history with the Warden is acknowledged you get your emotional engagement.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 28 décembre 2010 - 11:57 .

[Master Shiori]

revan11exile wrote...

Guys i found this pic of Victoria Johnson and Morrigan but i though that Claudia Black was the model for Morrigan

Morrigan (the Sacred Ashes version at least) is modelled after Victoria. Claudia Black is only voicing her.

[Esbatty]

Alright I'm back kiddies... being sick during christmas sucks but in my fever induced hallucinations I have found that if you replace the word Motorin' from the song "Sister Christian'" with Morrigan, you end up with best song ever.

[LTS_Guitarian]

Esbatty wrote...

Alright I'm back kiddies... being sick during christmas sucks but in my fever induced hallucinations I have found that if
you replace the word Motorin' from the song "Sister Christian'" with Morrigan, you end up with best song ever.

You mean that's not  what he's saying?  Well, damn...
At least I finally got that Shasta you wanted.  It's a bit warm though.

[LTS_Guitarian]

In case anyone wants to see, I've been sent another bribe...ermm..image by Elyssa.  This one is a bit too racy for me to post here, though.  If you want to see it, check out her dA page HERE

If you can't view it, have no fear, I'll be adding it to the other pics at the site I set up in a day or so.  The address is in my signature if you want to go look.

Modifié par LTS_Guitarian, 29 décembre 2010 - 10:28 .

[revan11exile]

@Shiori thanks for the clear up because i always though that Claudia Black was her model