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[LTS_Guitarian]

Herr Uhl wrote...

So, in short: Unless Morrigan wuwed your warden forever and ever, they ruin it? Don't mind that, I'm just not that much for sappy "love conquers all" stories (note: Morrigan is my favourite romance and I did it with my most official warden). Personal preference.

I'm fine as long as the plot-thread (OGB) gets picked up in a fashin that settles it. I'd be fine if the warden never got brought up again more than in mention, but going through the eluvian mirror seems like an odd option to put in there in that case.

Edit: Might also have been because my warden stopped searching after her seriously past the first few years (as in for love) and then only after the child. This was before the expansions.

Not sappy at all.  I'm not a sappy person.  But I don't do star-crossed.  I lived it.  It sucks ass.  

After Origins ended the way it did and Witch Hunt only made things worse, the prospect of another man influencing Morrigan is just an insult to me.  They aren't even going to finish the first story before jumping into another one (which they'll probably cut off half-way, too).  No thanks.  I'll pass.

[IndigoWolfe]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...
 the prospect of another man influencing Morrigan is just an insult to me.

Firstly, where does this prospect come up?

And secondly, surely the Warden is not the only person from which Morrigan can learn something? I think you're being a little unreasonably territorial.

[LTS_Guitarian]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Firstly, where does this prospect come up?

And secondly, surely the Warden is not the only person from which Morrigan can learn something? I think you're being a little unreasonably territorial.

That's your opinion, and you are welcome to it.  My intentions are not to be argumentative.  

If you read about  DA3, there are rumors (emphasize the word rumor) that there will be a new influence on Morrigan if she is actually present in the game.  There are also rumors that the Warden will make an appearance as well.  Take that how you chose.

My point is the same now as it always was: Finish the damned story before moving on.  Nothing more than that. There is nothing else to read into that.  Not a thing.

I'm not trying to disuade anyone from the new games, as I've said repeatedly.  If you're okay with the course that the game makers choose to take, then that's fine.  I, however, am not.  Which is my choice.  If that offends some people. then so be it.  Although I really don't understand why it would.

[Master Shiori]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

If you read about  DA3, there are rumors (emphasize the word rumor) that there will be a new influence on Morrigan if she is actually present in the game.  There are also rumors that the Warden will make an appearance as well.  Take that how you chose.

Well, considering we have no idea in what form (no pun intended) Morrigan will appear in, she can be anything from an npc to a companion. Therefore it remains to be seen how much influence the new PC (provided they go for that and not the Warden or Hawke) will have or if he/she will even be able to influence her at all (my guess is that he will be).

And I doubt the Warden would be present as anything other than a PC, since having him show up as an npc is next to impossible and a sure way or causing an uproar. Ofc, whether or not the Warden makes a return is unknown at this point.

Hell, we hardly know anything about DA3 other than the fact that Morrigan might be in it (they said she'll be back, just not when).

[gurp123]

Master Shiori wrote...

gurp123 wrote...

I never said that you had to romance her. Again, I see the warden as having a unique influence adverserially, friendly, or romantically, and I believe all three can be acommodated in a plot centralized around Morrigan and Flemeth. A new character will always intrude on that relationship even if it's her own blood.

I get what you're saying , but any influence you can have on Morrigan would be there in interest of the story itself and, as such, would be open to any PC, regardless whether he's the Warden, Hawke or some new hero.

Yes, I know the story is as written. There's really only a minor illusion of choice. But I'll find it hard to suspend disbelief with another character finishing the warden's job.

gurp123 wrote...


Again, you misunderstand. I'm not saying it has to be a romantic involvement, but in a story revolving around Morrigan and Flemeth I think that should be an option. It could just as easily be a hero/villain relationship. Darth Vader is cool and no one's trying to slip into his shorts. But, putting aside Hamill's acting skills, do you really believe any other character could have influenced Vader besides Luke? Leia? Some offspring from either of them? I don't. Morrigan is a fascinating character whether or not you've romanced her. You need to stop presuming that only a romantic relationship is extendable. The fact that you can go through the mirror with her or stab her brutally opens up such possibilities.

Look, I agree with you that the warden has probably gone past hanging on the cliff and is presently plunging at terminal velocity towards the gators, piranhas and marketing droids, but I think it could be salvaged and I think it would tell a better story. I don't think a new character can have the same impact except by declaring it by fiat in the story. Yes, officially the new character will have saved the world, conquered the lands, rebirthed creation, whatever, but their impact on Morrigan's character just will never seem plausible to me coming in as the warden's understudy. And again, that applies whether you romanced Morrigan or not.

Oh, I'm not trying to say that you're wrong or that I'm right (hell, I'd be praying like mad for the exact opposite to be true...). I'm just saying that based on what we've heard from the devs so far, the reunion between Warden and Morrigan doesn't seem likely, even if it would be extremely rewarding both emotionaly and as part of a larger story.
We can always hope for it to happen, but I get the feeling the odds aren't in our favour..

Hope I didn't give you the impression I was getting annoyed, 'cause I wasn't. I wanted to make sure I wasn't irritating you. Heh. You actually gave me a bit of a skate on my comparison. You could have invoked Vader's previous relationships and Luke actually being a new character to argue for your point.

We'll just have to wait and see how things work out. Honestly, it'll be at least 6 months if not another year until I'll have the time to play an epic game anyway. Although if DA2 ends up anything like ME2 it'll only take me a week of evenings. That's probably my biggest fear. ME2 and ME1 seemed completely inverted in terms of feel and impact to me. The characters were mostly uninteresting and the whole suicide mission thing was pretty underwhelming. If DA follows a similar path...

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

Well, considering we have no idea in what form (no pun intended) Morrigan will appear in, she can be anything from an npc to a companion. Therefore it remains to be seen how much influence the new PC (provided they go for that and not the Warden or Hawke) will have or if he/she will even be able to influence her at all (my guess is that he will be).

And I doubt the Warden would be present as anything other than a PC, since having him show up as an npc is next to impossible and a sure way or causing an uproar. Ofc, whether or not the Warden makes a return is unknown at this point.

Hell, we hardly know anything about DA3 other than the fact that Morrigan might be in it (they said she'll be back, just not when).

Heh....just our luck, DA3 rolls around with no Morrigan in sight, followed by dev claims of "Oh, DA3 is just setting up Morrigan's story. Don't worry you'll really like what we have in store for Morrigan, blahblahblah..."<_<

Basically, my concern overall with DA as a series and with Morrigan and the Warden specifically is that it becomes a Neverwinter Nights scenario. 

Now maybe my recollection of NWN is off, but basically the PC in NWN's OC can have a fairly close relationship with Aribeth. Aribeth turns into the villain but at the end of the game your PC can redeem her and then essentially decide her fate- kill her or have her surrender. Your PC then goes off  with an epilogue slide that states their "Story does not end here. For this is a world of infinite tales."  And of course the PC is never heard from again. Lovely.

Next expack rolls around with a brand new PC in a totally unconnected story. Second expack, Hordes of the Underdark, rolls around, letting you import the PC from Shadows of Undrentide. And of course, Aribeth shows up to this new PC, but is plot hammered into having been killed, regardless of what the OC PC chose. And of course, spirit Aribeth flings herself at the new PC.

So basically, I fear with DA that they ditch the Warden never to be heard from again, and in DA3 or whatever, we either have Super Epic Commander ShepHawke running into Morrigan, who'll have had the Warden ever so conveniently Plot Hammered away from her, regardless of how you dealt with her in Origins or WH.

Thats certainly worst case scenario stuff, but as NWN shows, in my view at least, BioWare has mucked up how they've handled stories before and there is nothing stopping them from disappointing like that in the future again.

gurp123 wrote...
Although if DA2 ends up anything like ME2 it'll only  take me a week of evenings. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie] That's probably my biggest fear. ME2 and ME1 seemed completely inverted in terms of feel and impact to me. The characters were mostly
uninteresting and the whole suicide mission thing was pretty  underwhelming. If DA follows a similar path... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

Thats exactly my fear too- that between having the voiced PC, the framed narrative, who knows what sort of dialogue system, the actual volume of companion dialogue and the actual length of the game- that basically, DA2 just doesn't measure up to Origins. I've got my doubts....

As a slight OT mention, in this thread on NeoGAF, the person who wrote the DA2 preview for GameZone, who played DA2 at BioWare last month, made some extra comments on the game.

As Terra has brought up the strengths of Origins' dialogue system before, here is a bit on DA2's dialogue system, which sounds kind of ho-hum:

There's no camp in the game. I do not know if there's a new version of  the camp in the game since there was little to no interaction with my  partymates outside of the cutscenes and random banter between  Carver/Varric and I was about to finally get past the beginning stages  before my session came to a close.

There is the rundown house to talk to Carver and your mother. I won't ruin the storyline though, so I'll leave it at that.

There was a time when a party member went off to do their own thing  (weird 1-year-transition in the storyline) and then I randomly walked  into a building and had a notice on the top of the screen that a party  member was close by. After that interaction, there was no other sections where I could easily walk up to my team and ask them questions (outside of the house, of course).

Modifié par Brockololly, 05 janvier 2011 - 04:35 .

[revan11exile]

So guys did anyone romance Morrigan as a Dwarf Noble i just finished a play-thought and now he has two kids WOW this is freaking amazing i wonder if this will be as big as the OGB or regular baby and why didn't Morrigan are anyone in the group say anything because this is huge.

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Heh....just our luck, DA3 rolls around with no Morrigan in sight, followed by dev claims of "Oh, DA3 is just setting up Morrigan's story. Don't worry you'll really like what we have in store for Morrigan, blahblahblah..."<_<

Basically, my concern overall with DA as a series and with Morrigan and the Warden specifically is that it becomes a Neverwinter Nights scenario. 

We already know DA is envisioned as a collection of different tales set in Thedas during the Dragon Age. While this is pretty close in concept to how NWN was, it doesn't exclude the possiblity of the same protagonist appearing more than once, as Gaider himself said.

Brockololly wrote...

Now maybe my recollection of NWN is off, but basically the PC in NWN's OC can have a fairly close relationship with Aribeth. Aribeth turns into the villain but at the end of the game your PC can redeem her and then essentially decide her fate- kill her or have her surrender. Your PC then goes off  with an epilogue slide that states their "Story does not end here. For this is a world of infinite tales."  And of course the PC is never heard from again. Lovely.

Next expack rolls around with a brand new PC in a totally unconnected story. Second expack, Hordes of the Underdark, rolls around, letting you import the PC from Shadows of Undrentide. And of course, Aribeth shows up to this new PC, but is plot hammered into having been killed, regardless of what the OC PC chose. And of course, spirit Aribeth flings herself at the new PC.

I guess that would depend on what you consider to be a "close" relationship. Through most of the game Aribeth is simply your commanding officer who also happens to have lost her fiancee during the first chapter of the game. You have the option of comforting her as a friend, but you don't really have a chance of telling her about your feelings until after you redeem her near the end of the game. It's only then that she admits to caring for you as more than a friend and when you can ask Lord Nasher to spare her life as a payback to you for saving his city.

The problem comes when the game simply ignores that request (which is like ignoring your decision after the post-coronation in DA:O or ignoring your choices at Landsmeet) and simply has Aribeth executed. So yes, it wasn't hammered that she was killed in HotU since she dies at the end of the original NWN campaign no matter what you do. HotU simply tried to correct that problem, but in a completely wrong way.

Brockololly wrote...

So basically, I fear with DA that they ditch the Warden never to be heard from again, and in DA3 or whatever, we either have Super Epic Commander ShepHawke running into Morrigan, who'll have had the Warden ever so conveniently Plot Hammered away from her, regardless of how you dealt with her in Origins or WH.

Thats certainly worst case scenario stuff, but as NWN shows, in my view at least, BioWare has mucked up how they've handled stories before and there is nothing stopping them from disappointing like that in the future again.

I had a really deep thought about the whole MorriganxWarden thing recently and came to the following conclusion:
Bioware is right when they say  that the Warden's story is truly done and that there are no loose ends to tie up.

DA:O was a story about the last Grey Warden in Fereldan who stops the Blight and kills the Archdemon. That ended properly and there's nothing to follow upon.
Awakening is a story of that same Warden (or the Orlesian, depending on your choices) dealing with Architect and the Mother. Again, the story is done.
The only loose end left by this point is Morrigan herself, provided the Warden decided to go after her at the end of Origins. You follow up on that in Witch Hunt and close things off by either following her through the mirror, letting her leave alone or stabbing her.
This is where the Warden's involvement ends, because you have no loose ends to deal with. From here on out it stops being the story about the Warden and continues as Morrigan's tale. This is the tale where the Warden is involved purely as Morrigan's friend or lover and that is no basis for making him a protagonist again.

As a Morrigan fan and someone who enjoyed playing as the Warden immensely, I have no problem with him returning as a PC. But I cannot see the reason for that other than to cater to those who romanced Morrigan and cannot accept that the Warden's story is over, despite Witch Hunt providing a nice closure (which it didn't need to, since you could just as easily continue Morrigan's tale from Origins).

[Master Shiori]

revan11exile wrote...

So guys did anyone romance Morrigan as a Dwarf Noble i just finished a play-thought and now he has two kids WOW this is freaking amazing i wonder if this will be as big as the OGB or regular baby and why didn't Morrigan are anyone in the group say anything because this is huge.

I can't bring myself to romance anyone as a male dwarf so no, I never did. Though I don't remember ever reading about Morrigan or anyone else commenting about your child with the noble hunter, nor do I remeber anyone talking about it on the forums.

[Giggles_Manically]

Nicely said Master S.

[LobselVith8]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...



Not sappy at all. I'm not a sappy person. But I don't do star-crossed. I lived it. It sucks ass.



After Origins ended the way it did and Witch Hunt only made things worse, the prospect of another man influencing Morrigan is just an insult to me. They aren't even going to finish the first story before jumping into another one (which they'll probably cut off half-way, too). No thanks. I'll pass.

Witch Hunt can end with the Warden and Morrigan heading off into the unknown to unite with their child. I'd say that's a pretty good ending to me. And despite her potential involvement in DA2 and more likely DA3, there doesn't seem to be any indication that Morrigan is going to fall in love with someone else. Her influence may be in playing a role to put a stop to Flementh's plans.

[Giggles_Manically]

Witch Hunt gave Morrigan the exact same ending as the other three LI's got.

Except for Zevran.... <hides from an Ejoslin rant>

[Master Shiori]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Witch Hunt gave Morrigan the exact same ending as the other three LI's got.
Except for Zevran....

You could say it took it a step further since the reunion with Morrigan happened on stage, while all the other LI's got their reunions in a form of a written epilogue.

I understand Ejoslin wanting more Zevran goodness (hell, who wouldn't want more of their favorite LI?!), but Zevran's epilogue was completely along the same lines as Leliana's; he went on to deal with some personal matter during the events of Awakening and the two of you get reunited in Antiva afterwards. Similar to Leli dealing with some Chantry business and hooking up with you later in Denerim.
Alistair fans possibly got more due to Alistair making an appearance in Awakening (if made king) but otherwise it's the same deal.

Probably the only thing about DA:O ending that makes me sad is the fact we may never again see some of the companions from that game. Personally, I'm happy to know my favorite character (Morri) will return at some point, but the same cannot be said for poor Leliana.

Ah well, maybe the writers will suprise us. I just don't expect it to happen in DA2.

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont expect anything from DA2 to be honest.



Most of my gaming friends have it pre-ordered but not me. Got burned by too many games to ever pre-order again.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...
While this is pretty close in concept to how NWN was, it doesn't exclude the possiblity of the same protagonist appearing more than once, as Gaider himself said.

Sure, but I'll believe it when I see it. Given how even ME handled (or didn't handle) continuity, I'm not expecting much out of DA.

Master Shiori wrote...
I had a really deep thought about the whole MorriganxWarden thing recently and came to the following conclusion:
Bioware is right when they say  that the Warden's story is truly done and that there are no loose ends to tie up.

DA:O was a story about the last Grey Warden in Fereldan who stops the Blight and kills the Archdemon. That ended properly and there's nothing to follow upon.
Awakening is a story of that same Warden (or the Orlesian, depending on your choices) dealing with Architect and the Mother. Again, the story is done.
The only loose end left by this point is Morrigan herself, provided the Warden decided to go after her at the end of Origins. You follow up on that in Witch Hunt and close things off by either following her through the mirror, letting her leave alone or stabbing her.
This is where the Warden's involvement ends, because you have no loose ends to deal with. From here on out it stops being the story about the Warden and continues as Morrigan's tale. This is the tale where the Warden is involved purely as Morrigan's friend or lover and that is no basis for making him a protagonist again.

As a Morrigan fan and someone who enjoyed playing as the Warden immensely, I have no problem with him returning as a PC. But I cannot see the reason for that other than to cater to those who romanced Morrigan and cannot accept that the Warden's story is over, despite Witch Hunt providing a nice closure (which it didn't need to, since you could just as easily continue Morrigan's tale from Origins).

Really? Granted, I'll agree that should the Warden return it would be in a "new" story. But again, given whats hinted at in Witch Hunt there are plenty of possible scenarios where the Warden could return beyond having to cater to those who romanced Morrigan. As Gaider said before WH came out, what Morrigan does has implications for all Wardens. If this "change" involves the Wardens in any way at all, and Morrigan is involved in whatever (as the Wardens are already looking into Morrigan and Flemeth's role in the Blight) then you could make a damn good case to have the PC be a Warden- whether thats Orlesian, Hero of Ferelden or some New Warden.

Sure thats assuming first off that the Wardens have some role to play, but going off of what Morrigan says in WH, its not at all a stretch to think that maybe the Wardens are the organization that knows the most about Flemeth/Morrigan at this juncture and would be best suited with dealing with them, especially if they have any genuine connection to the Blights- which if you went the DR route, you better believe the Wardens would be interested in that.

So I'll agree that the Warden's story is over in so far as killing the AD and dealing with Vigil's Keep/Amaranthine, but given how many HUGE loose ends left flapping in the breeze from Origins and Witch Hunt -(What was the gift Morrigan gave the Warden? Why would she think the Warden would want it? Whats Mirror World? What is she doing? Whats the deal with the OGB? What is Flemeth? Why should we be hunting Flemeth? Why does she want the Wardens to stand guard for the Change to come? If you stabbed Morrigan but didn't kill her, a pissed off Witch is a rather major loose end, Facing the future together if you went through the Eluvian?  I could go on:happy:)- Witch Hunt only provides an "ending" so long as Morrigan is off stage.

The second Morrigan comes back into the picture, my immediate question will be all those accumulated from Origins and WH, except now it would be "Where is the Warden?" now too. I know they can handle that a million different ways, but I fear they end up going the NWN Aribeth type route of Plot Hammering. SO certainly the Warden's involvement could end there, but from my myopic POV, I can't see many situations where not having the Warden involved wouldn't feel incredibly cheap and Aribeth-like.

Really, the Warden's involvement is only done as much as the Bhaalspawn was done at the end of BG1 after killing Sarevok. Sure, you could stop there, but there are definitely plots you could further explore which would be majorly enriched by having the Warden intimately involved.

We'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out:wizard:

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I dont expect anything from DA2 to be honest.

Most of my gaming friends have it pre-ordered but not me. Got burned by too many games to ever pre-order again.

I have caved and preordered it from Amazon. I figure at least this way I can always cancel it anytime before they ship  it should any further reveals further disappoint. But yeah, my expectations for it are nil.

Modifié par Brockololly, 05 janvier 2011 - 09:20 .

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Sure, but I'll believe it when I see it. Given how even ME handled (or didn't handle) continuity, I'm not expecting much out of DA.

Considering both games are made by different dev teams I don't thik it's fair to say that just because ME handled continuity poorly DA is bound to do the same.

Brockololly wrote...

Really? Granted, I'll agree that should the Warden return it would be in a "new" story. But again, given whats hinted at in Witch Hunt there are plenty of possible scenarios where the Warden could return beyond having to cater to those who romanced Morrigan. As Gaider said before WH came out, what Morrigan does has implications for all Wardens. If this "change" involves the Wardens in any way at all, and Morrigan is involved in whatever (as the Wardens are already looking into Morrigan and Flemeth's role in the Blight) then you could make a damn good case to have the PC be a Warden- whether thats Orlesian, Hero of Ferelden or some New Warden.

Morrigan was reffering to Wardens as an order, not to our Warden specifically. And how exactly would a Warden who didn't follow Morrigan even know when she returned from the mirror world or where she is? It's not like Morri can magically call him and say: "Meet me in Rivain in 1 month so we can kill my mother".

Brockololly wrote...

So I'll agree that the Warden's story is over in so far as killing the AD and dealing with Vigil's Keep/Amaranthine, but given how many HUGE loose ends left flapping in the breeze from Origins and Witch Hunt -(What was the gift Morrigan gave the Warden? Why would she think the Warden would want it? Whats Mirror World? What is she doing? Whats the deal with the OGB? What is Flemeth? Why should we be hunting Flemeth? Why does she want the Wardens to stand guard for the Change to come? If you stabbed Morrigan but didn't kill her, a pissed off Witch is a rather major loose end, Facing the future together if you went through the Eluvian?  I could go on:happy:)- Witch Hunt only provides an "ending" so long as Morrigan is off stage.

Witch Hunt provides the ending to whole WardenxMorrigan relationship by allowing you to finally setle matters between them as you choose. And none of those "loose ends" are a strong case for the Warden coming back, more like curiousities. Heck, most of them can be resolved without the Warden.
Morrigan's gift - pure curiosity whose effect on future stories is questionable. It could be something important or simply a trinket to remember her by.
Mirror World - could be explored in the future games or Morrigan herself could tell you about it in DA3
Morrigan's plan - well, isn't that what her story is about anyway?
OGB - we'll likely learn more about it regardless of who we play as
Flemeth - same deal as OGB. Hell, you even know that Hawke will interact with her and likely learn something
Wardens - unknown at this point but again it's the order in general not individual members that get her warning
Stabbed Morri - hardly a loose end, unless you really think Morrigan would waste her time tracking down a Warden who's bound to die anyway? Just let the Taint do the work for you.

So as interesting as these points are, none of them provide you with a strong basis to have the Warden return as a PC since most, if not all, of them could just as easily be resolved with a new PC.

The only thing you listed that would make a strong case for the Warden's return is the fact Flemeth might have something to do with the Blight and Darkspawn. And that's only if Bioware doesn't have us play as a brand new Warden PC..

Brockololly wrote...

The second Morrigan comes back into the picture, my immediate question will be all those accumulated from Origins and WH, except now it would be "Where is the Warden?" now too. I know they can handle that a million different ways, but I fear they end up going the NWN Aribeth type route of Plot Hammering. SO certainly the Warden's involvement could end there, but from my myopic POV, I can't see many situations where not having the Warden involved wouldn't feel incredibly cheap and Aribeth-like.

"Where is my Warden" is the only thing BIoware will have to explain. Everything else you can learn regardless of who you play with. As for Warden's absence being cheap, we can't say that when we don't even know the story of DA3. The whole thing could be set up in such a way that having the Warden return would make no more sense than having him take Hawke's place in DA2 storyline. We'll have to wait and see before we jump to any conclusions.

Brockololly wrote...

Really, the Warden's involvement is only done as much as the Bhaalspawn was done at the end of BG1 after killing Sarevok. Sure, you could stop there, but there are definitely plots you could further explore which would be majorly enriched by having the Warden intimately involved.

Bhaalspawns story wasn't over because there were more Bhaalspawn to fight after Sarevok. He was just the first one you defeated. Had Sarevok been the only other Bhaalspawn left, besides the PC himself, then BG would have ended after only one game.

Sure, writers could come up with new stories about the Warden, but those wouldn't have anything to do with Morrigan, since her part in Warden's tales is over, just as his could likely be in hers. Morrigan had a legitimate reason for being in DA:O (the DR and OGB). The Warden has no reason for being in her tale in DA3 (or whatever title she return in) other then for the fact that he/she may be her lover or friend. That's hardly a justification for making him/her the protagonist of the story, not unless the devs come up with more solid reasons for the Warden's presence.

Brockololly wrote...
We'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out:wizard:

Yes, that's the truth of the matter. I'm not denying they could come up with a reason to explain the Warden returning as a protagonist. It's just that when looking at the lore and technical requirements it becomes clear how hard the whole thing would be to pull off.
But I'll reserve my judgement until we get an official announcement of DA3. We might get our wish or we might get an awesome Morrigan story without the Warden but  plenty of acknowledgement of our past history with her.
Both scenarios would be satisfying for me.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 05 janvier 2011 - 11:39 .

[gurp123]

Master Shiori wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
We'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out:wizard:

Yes, that's the truth of the matter. I'm not denying they could come up with a reason to explain the Warden returning as a protagonist. It's just that when looking at the lore and technical requirements it becomes clear how hard the whole thing would be to pull off.
But I'll reserve my judgement until we get an official announcement of DA3. We might get our wish or we might get an awesome Morrigan story without the Warden but  plenty of acknowledgement of our past history with her.
Both scenarios would be satisfying for me.

I'm still skeptical that it would be satisfying to me for the reasons I've already given. I guess my other frustration with the whole thing is why have the different origins in the first place? I presume, aside from some potential replayability, it's meant to flesh out the world a bit more. However, if the story is really fully guided by Bioware, then why dangle the different origins at all? Why pose choices if they have no impact? Maybe they do but there's not a lot of evidence to that effect. You could just as easily have explored the world with quests instead of having different origins and that would have simplified the whole choice tree immensely. I'm not going to pout about it, but I need to learn more about DA2 and DA3 in turn before I'll commit to continuing in the franchise.

[Master Shiori]

gurp123 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
We'll just have to wait and see how it all turns out:wizard:

Yes, that's the truth of the matter. I'm not denying they could come up with a reason to explain the Warden returning as a protagonist. It's just that when looking at the lore and technical requirements it becomes clear how hard the whole thing would be to pull off.
But I'll reserve my judgement until we get an official announcement of DA3. We might get our wish or we might get an awesome Morrigan story without the Warden but  plenty of acknowledgement of our past history with her.
Both scenarios would be satisfying for me.

I'm still skeptical that it would be satisfying to me for the reasons I've already given. I guess my other frustration with the whole thing is why have the different origins in the first place? I presume, aside from some potential replayability, it's meant to flesh out the world a bit more. However, if the story is really fully guided by Bioware, then why dangle the different origins at all? Why pose choices if they have no impact? Maybe they do but there's not a lot of evidence to that effect. You could just as easily have explored the world with quests instead of having different origins and that would have simplified the whole choice tree immensely. I'm not going to pout about it, but I need to learn more about DA2 and DA3 in turn before I'll commit to continuing in the franchise.

By the devs own admission origins were added to give players better understanding of Thedas, the races that inhabit it and the conflicts that exist there (mages vs Chantry, Dwarves vs Darkspawn, Elves vs Humans, Dwarven politics, etc.).

[Lord_Anthonior]

Master Shiori wrote...

By the devs own admission origins were added to give players better understanding of Thedas, the races that inhabit it and the conflicts that exist there (mages vs Chantry, Dwarves vs Darkspawn, Elves vs Humans, Dwarven politics, etc.).

So that was the setting of Origins, and now I imagine for DA2 we are going to see one of the conflicts in Thedas as the main plot (perhaps), compared to the main plot of Origins wich was the Blight, maybe now is the turn of Mages vs Chantry with the consideration of Flemeth's involvement and the actions that will preceed to Morrigan's reappearance. It could gives us then more games and plots in the franchise to check more thoroughly other conflics.

This addition of origins in the game gives a bigger scope of the world and the background for the choices each player will make. Maybe in a moment one will have to chose who to side with, elves or humans, a revolution for the alienages or maybe a bigger subjugation from the humans, just as an example.

Modifié par Lord_Anthonior, 06 janvier 2011 - 11:19 .

[Master Shiori]

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

By the devs own admission origins were added to give players better understanding of Thedas, the races that inhabit it and the conflicts that exist there (mages vs Chantry, Dwarves vs Darkspawn, Elves vs Humans, Dwarven politics, etc.).

So that was the setting of Origins, and now I imagine for DA2 we are going to see one of the conflicts in Thedas as the main plot (perhaps), compared to the main plot of Origins wich was the Blight, maybe now is the turn of Mages vs Chantry with the consideration of Flemeth's involvement and the actions that will preceed to Morrigan's reappearance. It could gives us then more games and plots in the franchise to check more thoroughly other conflics.

This addition of origins in the game gives a bigger scope of the world and the background for the choices each player will make. Maybe in a moment one will have to chose who to side with, elves or humans, a revolution for the alienages or maybe a bigger subjugation from the humans, just as an example.

I believe that's how they're planning to do it. HAve each game deal with a particular conflict in Thedas. Makes me wonder where Morrigan/Flemeth storyline fits exactly. It's not quite mages vs the Chantry, though it does have some connection to that.

[Giggles_Manically]

Seems like Dragon Age is going the way of Fallout now.

Though I love the Fallout Series.

[Master Shiori]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Seems like Dragon Age is going the way of Fallout now.
Though I love the Fallout Series.

You just gave me a really disturbing image of Caesar's Legion paying Thedas a visit...

[Giggles_Manically]

Master Shiori wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Seems like Dragon Age is going the way of Fallout now.
Though I love the Fallout Series.

You just gave me a really disturbing image of Caesar's Legion paying Thedas a visit...

Dont worry Master S!
I just stomped them into a mud puddle and spit on it in New Vegas.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...
I believe that's how they're planning to do it. HAve each game deal with a particular conflict in Thedas. Makes me wonder where Morrigan/Flemeth storyline fits exactly. It's not quite mages vs the Chantry, though it does have some connection to that.

Yeah, whatever it is Morrigan and Flemeth are doing its connected to the Old Gods. Which gives the Wardens the perfect avenue to get back involved and bring back the Warden as PC:whistle:

Yeah, I can dream dammit.

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Seems like Dragon Age is going the way of Fallout now.
Though I love the Fallout Series.

You just gave me a really disturbing image of Caesar's Legion paying Thedas a visit... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie]

Dont worry Master S!
I just stomped them into a mud puddle and spit on it in New Vegas.

Hell yeah. My stealthy sniper kills any Legion member on sight. Sniper double team with Boone?

Modifié par Brockololly, 08 janvier 2011 - 01:22 .

[Swoo]

Yeah, I'm holding onto that slimmest glimmer of hope I will get to see the Warden again.

And I couldn't use Boone in FO, it made it too easy. He was constantly killing things before they even showed up in my field of vision.

Brockololly wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...
I believe that's how they're planning to do it. HAve each game deal with a particular conflict in Thedas. Makes me wonder where Morrigan/Flemeth storyline fits exactly. It's not quite mages vs the Chantry, though it does have some connection to that.

Yeah, whatever it is Morrigan and Flemeth are doing its connected to the Old Gods. Which gives the Wardens the perfect avenue to get back involved and bring back the Warden as PC:whistle:

Yeah, I can dream dammit.

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Seems like Dragon Age is going the way of Fallout now.
Though I love the Fallout Series.

You just gave me a really disturbing image of Caesar's Legion paying Thedas a visit... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie]

Dont worry Master S!
I just stomped them into a mud puddle and spit on it in New Vegas.

Hell yeah. My stealthy sniper kills any Legion member on sight. Sniper double team with Boone?

Modifié par Swoo, 08 janvier 2011 - 07:12 .