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Brockololly wrote...

Damn- if anything thats why I'll get DA2 at launch even if I have my doubts about it- I know I'd end up having the story spoiled and I'd hate that. Of course, my primary interest in DA2 is still how everything affects Morrrigan and the Warden.


I'm pretty much the exact opposite - I can handle spoilers; they save me from crap. Me, I've already fallen for the freebie marketing gimmicks and preordered DA2...


Right now I think I'd get prematurely excited over any mention of Morrigan in DA2. If there was a mention, I think I (the player) would be asking questions that the character would not. ... unless Hawke happened to learn who Morrigan was, let alone any Warden-Morrigan relationship.

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MKDAWUSS wrote...
Right now I think I'd get prematurely excited over any mention of Morrigan in DA2. If there was a mention, I think I (the player) would be asking questions that the character would not. ... unless Hawke happened to learn who Morrigan was, let alone any Warden-Morrigan relationship.


Thats sort of the problem overall with DA2 and a new character. Its the KOTOR2 syndome of the Exile meeting Bastila and Carth and the game not allowing the PC to reflect the feelings the player might be having since the Exile has no clue who Bastila and Carth are and likewise the other way around. That sort of thing turns emotionally engaging story moments into ho-hum academic moments- so instead of fist bumping drunk Alistair you're left with the dumb disconnect that sucks the life out of the scene.

I just hope there are some neat references to Morrigan and the Warden and maybe even the ELuvian ending. I'd be easily pleased like that. Just as the ring moment in Witch Hunt was awesome, a little shout out to Morrigan and the Warden going into the Eluvian would be awesome.

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@Brockololly

I have a few saves before the Final Onslaught, before the ritual, and one where I did talk to Morrigan "about last night". I just downloaded all the DLC and installed Awakening. My character romanced Morrigan and I am wondering after installing the "Morrigan Restoration Patch Dialog Fixpack". 

  • Where should I pick up my origins play through to get both slides?
  • Do I need the ring in my inventory (doesn't sound like it but just want to make sure)
  • What order should I play the DLC and Awakening in? 
I've yet to play through Awakenings or any DLC. But plan on finishing it all soon. But having played a game where I romanced Morrigan I am worried about running into a bug or some disappointing ending. Especially since I missed out Arcane Warrior, ugh I just don't want to miss anything like that again.
 
Is any of this effecting DA2? Any word on that? Where would I go to read about it? I'm curious how any of the outcomes in the play-throughs [/i]effect DA2.

Thanks for all the helpful posts!

Modifié par Gunharp, 15 janvier 2011 - 08:16 .


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Finally! 4 months after the release, I finally finished the Witch Hunt DLC.

Avoiding these forums like a plague for such a long time has paid off. For the past few days I’ve been trying to read the last 140 pages that I missed in this thread, but I recently gave up when I was about half way through. Seriously… how the hell can you guys write such long posts?!

I won’t post my review, since its too late for it and  you guys already said just about everything that I wanted. The main thing I wanna say is that I’m happy that my Warden got some decent closure, and now I feel like buying DA2.

Now, I’m off to check out all the things I missed from ximena.


Bioware, take notes. Long live Morri and the Warden!:wizard:

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Gunharp wrote...

@Brockololly

I have a few saves before the Final Onslaught, before the ritual, and one where I did talk to Morrigan "about last night". I just downloaded all the DLC and installed Awakening. My character romanced Morrigan and I am wondering after installing the "Morrigan Restoration Patch Dialog Fixpack". 

  • Where should I pick up my origins play through to get both slides?
  • Do I need the ring in my inventory (doesn't sound like it but just want to make sure)
  • What order should I play the DLC and Awakening in?

Again, I *think* that Terra_Ex's Morrigan dialogue fix should work retroactively just fine, but I can't remember exactly. In any event, once you install that, I'd probably try to load up a save game before where you talk to Morrigan "about last night" after you've said goodbye to everyone in Denerim.

I *think* that with Terra's mod, you might be able to just load up some save closer to the end of Origins and you'll get the Morrigan ring epilogue still, but I'm not 100% sure of that. You could try that first though just to see if it works- just load up a save towards the very end to just quickly see what epilogue slide you get.

Hmmm...I 'm not sure if you need the ring in your inventory or not. But I'd likely just keep it on your Warden anyway for RP reasons. There is a very cool dialogue to the ring in Witch Hunt, but I'm not sure if its triggered by actually having the ring or if it fires simply if you romanced Morrigan no matter what. But its probably not a bad idea to just keep it on your Warden for safe keeping.

The DLC breaks down like this:

Leliana's Song, Darkspawn Chronicles are both entirely standalone to Origins. Leliana's Song is really a prequel explaining some of Leliana's backstory, while Darkspawn Chronicles is an alternate universe what if type scenario. So you can play those whenever.

Warden's Keep, and Return to Ostagar fit into Origins itself, so you could treat those like any other quest. You could play those after you've beaten Origins by using the post epilogue save if you want too, but they fit well into Origins and I think they work best if you play them on a new run.

The rest go chronologically after Origins: Origins--> Awakening--> Golems of Amgarrak--> Witch Hunt
I think Awakening is supposed to happen about 6 months after Origins, with Golems taking place sometime after Awakening and then Witch Hunt happens 1-2 years after Origins. SO basically, just make sure Witch Hunt is the last one you play.

Gunharp wrote...

I've yet to play through Awakenings or any DLC. But plan on finishing it all soon. But having played a game where I romanced Morrigan I am worried about running into a bug or some disappointing ending. Especially since I missed out Arcane Warrior, ugh I just don't want to miss anything like that again.

Yeah, just make sure you have the updated version 1.1 of Witch Hunt, as it was really buggy when it first came out. And Awakening has some significant bugs you might run into.
 

Gunharp wrote...
Is any of this effecting DA2? Any word on that? Where would I go to read about it? I'm curious how any of the outcomes in the play-throughs [/i]effect DA2.

Thanks for all the helpful posts!


Well, the developers have said that Morrigan will not be in DA2. In most interviews and such on your Origins choices affecting DA2, they say that the ruler of Ferelden, what race/sex your Warden was and who killed the Archdemon will be some of the sort of things that get carried over and recognized.

In terms of Morrigan specifically, Gaider has mentioned that the Dark Ritual choice is the biggest one in Origins, so I'd guess (or hope) they're just saving that for DA3 or some future game. You do have this quote from Mark Darrah at Joystiq on Morrigan:

"We will import your decisions, in choices like who became king and the  male/female gender of the Warden," Darrah said.

"In terms of
Witch Hunt decisions, we will be importing them into the game, but Morrigan doesn't have a huge role in Dragon Age 2, so it's more about having them for the future and making sure that we  keep those. We will be maintaining and preserving those decisions, but  we may not have a big reaction to them in DA2."

But if you're  one of those people who can't wait to see what happened to Morrigan,  Darrah offers hope: [b]"We're definitely not done with Morrigan."


Modifié par Brockololly, 15 janvier 2011 - 05:05 .


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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
Avoiding these forums like a plague for such a long time has paid off. For the past few days I’ve been trying to read the last 140 pages that I missed in this thread, but I recently gave up when I was about half way through. Seriously… how the hell can you guys write such long posts?!


Brock and Terra really need to compile these into some sort of essay and post it, as the CliffsNotes version of this thread. 

It would make getting caught up on the important stuff a lot easier. :P

I won’t post my review, since its too late for it and  you guys already said just about everything that I wanted. The main thing I wanna say is that I’m happy that my Warden got some decent closure, and now I feel like buying DA2.


I'm pretty sure that was the entire point of WH - BioWare's saving throw to get us to shut up and pre-order DAII. Morrigan's lines about "change" were directed at the player as much as the Warden. 

But hey, I guess it worked. They suckered me into pre-ordering with all their free stuff. 

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Guys! Check out what Yankee23 did as a reward for my character Arcturus getting 3rd place in a contest.

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That's after Morrigan says "Hihi never! You'll have to carry me!". She's probably shocked that Arcturus is actually carrying her :D
Hahaha it made me lol. If only that was an actual scene in the game.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 16 janvier 2011 - 04:40 .


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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Guys! Check out what Yankee23 did as a reward for my character Arcturus getting 3rd place in a contest.

Posted Image

That's after Morrigan says "Hihi never! You'll have to carry me!". She's probably shocked that Arcturus is actually carrying her :D
Hahaha it made me lol. If only that was an actual scene in the game.


Excellent KoP, congrats on the third place. Since been able to create this pic, I don't think it would be difficult to actually make a cutscene mod for that case. 

That's my favorite reply, "never! you will have to carry me!". It is possible!!! hahaha:lol:

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Guys! Check out what Yankee23 did as a reward for my character Arcturus getting 3rd place in a contest.

Posted Image

That's after Morrigan says "Hihi never! You'll have to carry me!". She's probably shocked that Arcturus is actually carrying her :D
Hahaha it made me lol. If only that was an actual scene in the game.


:lol::lol:

Morrigan has quite the DERP face there:D

TheBlackBaron wrote...
Brock and Terra really need to compile these into some sort of essay and post it, as the CliffsNotes version of this thread. 

It would make getting caught up on the important stuff a lot easier. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

You know, I actually did start to compile this thread into a word doc  a couple months ago and gave up when I got to about page 50- its too damn depressing- its like a roller coaster of hope and despair:

Starts with buggy Awakening, saved by Terra's Morrigan mod, goes into "myopic" phase, plunges into the depths of despair when Hawke crashed the party, spirits buoyed with Ximena's great art, gets optimistic again when Witch Hunt was announced, facepalms after Witch Hunt is released buggy despite  seeing that coming a mile away and telling BioWare, and then settling into a comfortable zone of Eomer inspired hopelessness where we now stand, until maybe we either get hints in DA2 to light the fires of speculation once more, or we're left up the creek without a paddle on the Morrigan/Warden front.

Such are the trials and tribulations of being a Morrigan/Warden/Old God baby fan. *sigh*

Modifié par Brockololly, 16 janvier 2011 - 05:57 .


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That can describe any fan of Origins though Brock.



If I hear "its like Mass Effect now" one more time I will scream.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

If I hear "its like Mass Effect now" one more time I will scream.


Then don't read the latest "meh" worthy DA2 preview from PC Gamer.:sick:

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Oh I did.



Its like ME2 without those silly RPG mechanics and fun! Where everyone wears the same boobtacular stuff for 10 years.



Oh boy sounds like a great sequel there BiowarEA.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Guys! Check out what Yankee23 did as a reward for my character Arcturus getting 3rd place in a contest.

Posted Image

That's after Morrigan says "Hihi never! You'll have to carry me!". She's probably shocked that Arcturus is actually carrying her :D
Hahaha it made me lol. If only that was an actual scene in the game.


Oh man! That is priceless!! :o

Congrats on third place KoP! B)

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Brockololly wrote...

You know, I actually did start to compile this thread into a word doc  a couple months ago and gave up when I got to about page 50- its too damn depressing- its like a roller coaster of hope and despair:

Starts with buggy Awakening, saved by Terra's Morrigan mod, goes into "myopic" phase, plunges into the depths of despair when Hawke crashed the party, spirits buoyed with Ximena's great art, gets optimistic again when Witch Hunt was announced, facepalms after Witch Hunt is released buggy despite  seeing that coming a mile away and telling BioWare, and then settling into a comfortable zone of Eomer inspired hopelessness where we now stand, until maybe we either get hints in DA2 to light the fires of speculation once more, or we're left up the creek without a paddle on the Morrigan/Warden front.

Such are the trials and tribulations of being a Morrigan/Warden/Old God baby fan. *sigh*


I feel your pain.

Btw, Congrats KoP.  That should be a poster.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Guys! Check out what Yankee23 did as a reward for my character Arcturus getting 3rd place in a contest.

Posted Image

That's after Morrigan says "Hihi never! You'll have to carry me!". She's probably shocked that Arcturus is actually carrying her :D
Hahaha it made me lol. If only that was an actual scene in the game.


I love how Arcturus looks like he's saying, "Oh look at what I did here, dear."

XD

Congratulations KoP

Brockololly wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...
Brock and Terra really need to compile these into some sort of essay and post it, as the CliffsNotes version of this thread. 

It would make getting caught up on the important stuff a lot easier. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

You
know, I actually did start to compile this thread into a word doc  a
couple months ago and gave up when I got to about page 50- its too damn
depressing- its like a roller coaster of hope and despair:

Starts
with buggy Awakening, saved by Terra's Morrigan mod, goes into
"myopic" phase, plunges into the depths of despair when Hawke crashed
the party, spirits buoyed with Ximena's great art, gets optimistic again
when Witch Hunt was announced, facepalms after Witch Hunt is released
buggy despite  seeing that coming a mile away and telling BioWare, and
then settling into a comfortable zone of Eomer inspired hopelessness
where we now stand, until maybe we either get hints in DA2 to light the
fires of speculation once more, or we're left up the creek without a
paddle on the Morrigan/Warden front.

Such are the trials and tribulations of being a Morrigan/Warden/Old God baby fan. *sigh*




Such is the life of a Morrigan/Warden/Old God fan. *sigh*

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ximena wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Such are the trials and tribulations of being a Morrigan/Warden/Old God baby fan. *sigh*


Such is the life of a Morrigan/Warden/Old God fan. *sigh*


It's not an obligation...is more like a calling but without dying. B)*sigh*

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Brockololly wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

If I hear "its like Mass Effect now" one more time I will scream.


Then don't read the latest "meh" worthy DA2 preview from PC Gamer.:sick:


There was much rage when I first read it, but at least they seemed to playing the 360 version. 

As long as they don't touch the PC combat I think I'll be okay. 

Also: Eomer-inspired hopelessness? LOL. :pinched:

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So you were happy with Witch Hunt overall though then I take it?


As a Morrigan fan, I definitely am happy.

Sure the DLC sucked, it was too short, its marketing was false, it has “buy DA2 if you want to find out more answers” written all over it, but overall I really enjoyed it. Posted Image

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I think I'm going to break down and buy the PC version of DA, just so I can have the mods. From what I've seen, they added more to the game than the expansions did. That and I want to play the restoration patch for myself. All the extra Morrigan dialogue alone should be worth the price.

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LTS_Guitarian wrote...

I think I'm going to break down and buy the PC version of DA, just so I can have the mods. From what I've seen, they added more to the game than the expansions did. That and I want to play the restoration patch for myself. All the extra Morrigan dialogue alone should be worth the price.


I'm thinking also of upgrading the PC to get the ultimate edtion for DA, there're also some mods I want to check like the "rendez vous at the tavern" and of course the restoration patch. I agree that Morrigan's extra dialogue is worth the price, except of course betraying her to the templars at the circle of Magi,  and to give it a shot using the tool set, if there are some people who knows how to use it then I doubt it would be that difficult, just time consuming :?...damn, time is eternal and yet there're some cases when one just doesn't have enough time.

I checked the site LTS, it's getting redone cool!.

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Lord_Anthonior wrote...

I'm thinking also of upgrading the PC to get the ultimate edtion for DA, there're also some mods I want to check like the "rendez vous at the tavern" and of course the restoration patch. I agree that Morrigan's extra dialogue is worth the price, except of course betraying her to the templars at the circle of Magi,  and to give it a shot using the tool set, if there are some people who knows how to use it then I doubt it would be that difficult, just time consuming :?...damn, time is eternal and yet there're some cases when one just doesn't have enough time.

I checked the site LTS, it's getting redone cool!.


I have a PC that will run it without any problems (hopefully).  I'm mainly interested in all the extra dialogue from Morrigan.  When I get done with that I might try my hand at modding some things.  I used to do it quite a bit, but haven't in a few years.

I'm glad you liked the site.  It's not finished yet, but I'm trying.  I've never worked this extensively with PHP before.  I had to compile all the code myself...the most fun I've had in forever....

I have my own linux server and an 8.1mb connection, so why not use it?

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LTS_Guitarian wrote...

I think I'm going to break down and buy the PC version of DA, just so I can have the mods. From what I've seen, they added more to the game than the expansions did. That and I want to play the restoration patch for myself. All the extra Morrigan dialogue alone should be worth the price.


Definitely- with the mods it really extends the life of the game. Not just with actual story based modules, but all of the smaller mods that can fix all the little annoyances you might have with Origins. They really make it an entirely new game to play.


So- for DA2, does anyone think they'll explicitly reference Morrigan by name or just make vague allusions to her? Or will it be like Awakening where the only reference is shoved in a buggy epilogue slide?

Personally, I'd be ecstatic if we simply got some reference to the Warden disappearing with Morrigan. Maybe run into some other Warden (or maybe Anders?) who maybe brings up how they heard some rumor how the Hero of Ferelden vanished with some Witch of the Wilds. Or basically just some rumors like that floating around.

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Brockololly wrote...
So- for DA2, does anyone think they'll explicitly reference Morrigan by name or just make vague allusions to her? Or will it be like Awakening where the only reference is shoved in a buggy epilogue slide?


I don't think it's out of the question that Morrigan will be mentioned by name, not with Flemeth playing a central role in the narrative. So I'd be willing to place money on her name being dropped once or twice. Definitely the majority of any references to her will of a cryptic and vague nature, though. 

Personally, I'd be ecstatic if we simply got some reference to the Warden disappearing with Morrigan. Maybe run into some other Warden (or maybe Anders?) who maybe brings up how they heard some rumor how the Hero of Ferelden vanished with some Witch of the Wilds. Or basically just some rumors like that floating around.


They don't even have to mention the Witch of the Wilds part - if they just acknowledge that something 'effin happened to him, that he existed, instead of simply trying to forget that most of DA:O ever happened (except in reference to how much better DA2 will be), I'll be happy. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 18 janvier 2011 - 02:56 .


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Brockololly wrote...

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

I think I'm going to break down and buy the PC version of DA, just so I can have the mods. From what I've seen, they added more to the game than the expansions did. That and I want to play the restoration patch for myself. All the extra Morrigan dialogue alone should be worth the price.


Definitely- with the mods it really extends the life of the game. Not just with actual story based modules, but all of the smaller mods that can fix all the little annoyances you might have with Origins. They really make it an entirely new game to play.


So- for DA2, does anyone think they'll explicitly reference Morrigan by name or just make vague allusions to her? Or will it be like Awakening where the only reference is shoved in a buggy epilogue slide?

Personally, I'd be ecstatic if we simply got some reference to the Warden disappearing with Morrigan. Maybe run into some other Warden (or maybe Anders?) who maybe brings up how they heard some rumor how the Hero of Ferelden vanished with some Witch of the Wilds. Or basically just some rumors like that floating around.


All I'm really thinking we'll see (and I probably shouldn't even expect this) is a minor reference to Morrigan and that's it. I'm thinking a Warden-Morrigan reference will be a miracle at best.

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Hi everyone ! First time poster on this thread. :) Just thought I'd say "Hey" and that I will probably be more active in this topic as I am a big time Morrigan fan. :)