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[gurp123]

Lord_Anthonior wrote...

gurp123 wrote...
Until WH I'd presumed that the ritual had been done in most or all of the previous blights and the offspring were female. Obviously that train of thought was wrong. I interpreted Morrigan's warning to mean that she was bringing about the change, but that's also probably wrong and she's just being an opportunist.

As to the description of the Mirror of Transformation, well I never expected to hear about the Copenhagen many worlds quantum theory in a fantasy game.

Maybe there is a change to come and maybe for a better outcome, she might play a big part of it with the boy (and hopefully with the warden too).

I think they blatantly said that change is coming. It doesn't necessarily have to be better to be interesting. If bioware really wants to wake players up and live in a dark fantasy world, then they can take a page from Moorcock's Eternal Champion -- Elric *is* dark fantasy --, but I doubt they're willing to go that far. Heh, that would probably result in riots.

Ooo, just had a thought. A blood mage with Stormbringer...

 
What it made me consider her intentions was the part she talks about freedom and how she tried to skip that dialogue regarding what she wants (likely her freedom) but that again is yet to be known and we can just so far  theorize in DA2 and thought about it in DA3.

We are all opportunist and we seize opportunities when whe chose to, she just sees them and does try to take the advantage of the opportunity, like in the circle of Magi, when it was in chaos she saw the perfect time and opportunity to look for the grimoire, that is really good and clever of her I respect that from Morrigan she is not dumb to let the opportunities pass along, wich could be one of the most fatal mistakes in mankind, not seizing opportunities.

Sure, but my point was to distinguish between initiating the change and simply taking advantage of it. I'm putting my $ on the latter now.

[ximena]

Terra_Ex wrote...

ximena wrote...

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If only there was some way we could all have some wedding mod of our own.

I don't find the idea of a Morri/Warden wedding particularly plausible, we got the mirror ending though which is somewhat fitting, I guess. On a related note the scene we discussed is progressing nicely, though slower than I'd like.

True. Having an in-game wedding scene isn't really plausible. Oh well, I'll just do it in DW. Or...   

And you take your time with that scene Terra. XD

[Terra_Ex]

ximena wrote...

True. Having an in-game wedding scene isn't really plausible. Oh well, I'll just do it in DW. Or...   

And you take your time with that scene Terra. XD

B-but a wedding is just so "not" Morri. You'd likely need a contingent of templars to "escort" her down the aisle and get her to go through with the whole thing plus by the time the warden awoke from his wedding night of bliss, she'd have disappeared again leaving the warden with only a ring. Trust me ximena - it will not end well.

That reminds me, I haven't read DW for several weeks, need to catch up.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 25 janvier 2011 - 05:12 .

[Lord_Anthonior]

Terra_Ex wrote...

ximena wrote...

True. Having an in-game wedding scene isn't really plausible. Oh well, I'll just do it in DW. Or...   

And you take your time with that scene Terra. XD

B-but a wedding is just so "not" Morri. You'd likely need a contingent of templars to "escort" her down the aisle and get her to go through with the whole thing plus by the time the warden awoke from his wedding night of bliss, she'd have disappeared again leaving the warden with only a ring. Trust me ximena - it will not end well.

That reminds me, I haven't read DW for several weeks, need to catch up.

Maybe another kind of ceremony not a traditional one, since she is not very much of having an audience.

I'm chatting with Ximena because she is at uni and in class and BSN is blocked but her words were: 
"at least in DW,  the world can be a much happier place where the warden does not need a contingent of templars to "escort" her down the aisle...Besides, who said it must be a traditional wedding? Haha
P.S. One can dream

That's what she wanted to say.

Modifié par Lord_Anthonior, 25 janvier 2011 - 05:37 .

[Terra_Ex]

Well, in a world free from Gaider's malevolent clutches, maybe... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote...
And you take your time with that scene Terra. XD

Scene? What scene is this? 

I MUST KNOW:O

Terra_Ex wrote...
B-but
a wedding is just so "not" Morri. You'd likely need a contingent of
templars to "escort" her down the aisle and get her to go through with
the whole thing plus by the time the warden awoke from his wedding night
of bliss, she'd have disappeared again leaving the warden with only a
ring. Trust me ximena - it will not end well.

Yeah, formal wedding with Morrigan going down the aisle in a dress?.....ummm, no. Hell, as "softened" as Morrigan might get over the course of Origins, I doubt she'd ever formally say she was married or wife to the Warden. Would she maybe take the ring if the Warden proposed? Sure, but she'd likely load it up with stipulations that the ring in no way means they're "married" or that they play lovey husband and wife. Doesn't mean she might not consider the Warden her husband in private, but I have a hard time thinking she'd go along with civilization's verbage and notion of husband and wife.

Morrigan just strikes me as less of a Princess Leia "I love you!" and more of a cool Han Solo "I know" type when it comes to romanceB)

[Lord_Anthonior]

ximena wrote...
And you take your time with that scene Terra. XD

Brockololly wrote...
Scene? What scene is this? 

I MUST KNOW:O

It seems it is on a "need-to-know basis" with level 5 top secret information access and that remark was an status update of the mission.

Terra_Ex wrote...
B-but a wedding is just so "not" Morri. You'd likely need a contingent of  templars to "escort" her down the aisle and get her to go through with the whole thing plus by the time the warden awoke from his wedding night
of bliss, she'd have disappeared again leaving the warden with only a ring. Trust me ximena - it will not end well.

Brockololly wrote...
Yeah, formal wedding with Morrigan going down the aisle in a dress?.....ummm, no. Hell, as "softened" as Morrigan might get over the course of Origins, I doubt she'd ever formally say she was married or wife to the Warden. Would she maybe take the ring if the Warden proposed? Sure, but she'd likely load it up with stipulations that the ring in no way means they're "married" or that they play lovey husband and wife. Doesn't mean she might not consider the Warden her husband in private, but I have a hard time thinking she'd go along with civilization's verbage and notion of husband and wife.

She is definitely not a woman who would abide to the social protocols of marriage, however, she does loves the Warden and so far she had said she did not betrayed him and maybe never will. But to subdue her free wild spirit, I doubt the warden will ever be able to do so.

Morrigan just strikes me as less of a Princess Leia "I love you!" and more of a cool Han Solo "I know" type when it comes to romanceB)

She already said it, she knows she is beautiful "tell me something I do not know" so yeah that's sounds about right.

Modifié par Lord_Anthonior, 25 janvier 2011 - 06:30 .

[LTS_Guitarian]

*Shrug* It all depends. If getting hitched is what she wanted to do, then she'd do it. But if the Warden says anything smart-assed about it, you can bet he's destined for some very cold and lonely nights for quite a while.



I think she would definitely use the "L" word, but it would have to be under the right circumstances and on her terms. She wouldn't just throw it around. She'd be too afraid of being viewed as "weak". Just don't look for her to spew out any mushy professions of her feelings.

[Jarlof Seoul]

Brockololly wrote...

ximena wrote...
And you take your time with that scene Terra. XD

Scene? What scene is this? 

I MUST KNOW:O

Terra_Ex wrote...
B-but
a wedding is just so "not" Morri. You'd likely need a contingent of
templars to "escort" her down the aisle and get her to go through with
the whole thing plus by the time the warden awoke from his wedding night
of bliss, she'd have disappeared again leaving the warden with only a
ring. Trust me ximena - it will not end well.

Yeah, formal wedding with Morrigan going down the aisle in a dress?.....ummm, no. Hell, as "softened" as Morrigan might get over the course of Origins, I doubt she'd ever formally say she was married or wife to the Warden. Would she maybe take the ring if the Warden proposed? Sure, but she'd likely load it up with stipulations that the ring in no way means they're "married" or that they play lovey husband and wife. Doesn't mean she might not consider the Warden her husband in private, but I have a hard time thinking she'd go along with civilization's verbage and notion of husband and wife.

Morrigan just strikes me as less of a Princess Leia "I love you!" and more of a cool Han Solo "I know" type when it comes to romanceB)

If anything a Morri-wedding would involve another cosmic-shaking ritual althering the time-space continuum and equilibrium and harmony of the universe, leading to a showdown between the existant powersfighting for domination  of Thedas and anything "so much more than" humanly comprehensible. Wow. that was an inspired post...

[ximena]

Brockololly wrote...

ximena wrote...
And you take your time with that scene Terra. XD

Scene? What scene is this? 

I MUST KNOW:O

Haha. I'm not sure if Terra wanst to annouche that certain project. XD So I'm keeping my lips sealed/fingers away from keyboard.

Terra_Ex wrote...



That reminds me, I haven't read DW for several weeks, need to catch up.

Don't worry. You really didn't miss much. XD Well depending where you stopped reading.

[Brockololly]

gurp123 wrote...
Sure, but my point was to distinguish between initiating the change and simply taking advantage of it. I'm putting my $ on the latter now.

Yeah, whatever this "Change" is, is it something Morrigan is directly starting and bringing about? Is that her plan? Or is her plan to merely wait out in Mirror World, biding her time, let the Big Change happen, then swoop in like an opportunist to capitalize on the everything surrounding the Change?

ximena wrote...

Haha. I'm not sure if Terra wants to announce that certain project. XD So I'm keeping my lips sealed/fingers away from keyboard.

*Shakes fist*

[Morrigans God son]

Oh my word! I have been zoned out lately and I had know idea...that this thread is almost 500 pages long!

[Shade of Wolf]

Wow, wedding plans already lol? I forget who said it, but what's this about Morri not wearing a dress? It could be a mini, or that red one Leliana fantasizes about.

Modifié par Shade of Wolf, 26 janvier 2011 - 04:55 .

[Morrigans God son]

Shade of Wolf wrote...

Wow, wedding plans already lol? I forget who said it, but what's this about Morri not wearing a dress? It could be a mini, or that red one Leliana fantasizes about.

I really can't picture Morrigan ever getting married, no matter how much she loved the warden.
Morrigan and the warden is a tragic love story. It isn't like Alistair and female Cousland...who live happily ever after in their large castle with lots of ponies and glitter.  Well it depends I suppose, it can be tragic too, but with Morrigan there is no happy ending! mwaha........

[Mr Plow]

Got my Morrigan Collector Figure thru the post finally!


Worth the wait

[LTS_Guitarian]

Everyone loves spam. You can use it in everything!



But I might be able to finagle a special Morrigan pic to commemorate the occasion. Though, it might make some people blush.

[Eber]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, formal wedding with Morrigan going down the aisle in a dress?.....ummm, no. Hell, as "softened" as Morrigan might get over the course of Origins, I doubt she'd ever formally say she was married or wife to the Warden. Would she maybe take the ring if the Warden proposed? Sure, but she'd likely load it up with stipulations that the ring in no way means they're "married" or that they play lovey husband and wife. Doesn't mean she might not consider the Warden her husband in private, but I have a hard time thinking she'd go along with civilization's verbage and notion of husband and wife.

Morrigan just strikes me as less of a Princess Leia "I love you!" and more of a cool Han Solo "I know" type when it comes to romanceB)

Isn't that what happened when Morrigan proposed?

Modifié par Eber, 27 janvier 2011 - 09:30 .

[Jarlof Seoul]

Eber wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, formal wedding with Morrigan going down the aisle in a dress?.....ummm, no. Hell, as "softened" as Morrigan might get over the course of Origins, I doubt she'd ever formally say she was married or wife to the Warden. Would she maybe take the ring if the Warden proposed? Sure, but she'd likely load it up with stipulations that the ring in no way means they're "married" or that they play lovey husband and wife. Doesn't mean she might not consider the Warden her husband in private, but I have a hard time thinking she'd go along with civilization's verbage and notion of husband and wife.

Morrigan just strikes me as less of a Princess Leia "I love you!" and more of a cool Han Solo "I know" type when it comes to romanceB)

Isn't that what happened when Morrigan proposed?

Or like after my Warden and her made love for the first time who Morri accused Warden of ruining the mood by talking about love...

[Morrigans God son]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

Everyone loves spam. You can use it in everything!

But I might be able to finagle a special Morrigan pic to commemorate the occasion. Though, it might make some people blush.

What about naughty giggling?

[Brockololly]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

But I might be able to finagle a special Morrigan pic to commemorate the occasion. Though, it might make some people blush.

Nice- yeah, this is the internet after all. It would have to be pretty out there to make people blush, I think^_^

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

But I might be able to finagle a special Morrigan pic to commemorate the occasion. Though, it might make some people blush.

Nice- yeah, this is the internet after all. It would have to be pretty out there to make people blush, I think^_^

Uh-oh, gauntlet thrown. This is going to go spectacularly horrible, I see it now!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Does it involve Morrigan omelette?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 28 janvier 2011 - 01:27 .

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Does it involve Morrigan omelette?

A....what?


Random Morrigan related thought: Playing through Origins again now and just heard Leliana tell the story of Flemeth again. And there is this part:

They also say that Flemeth mourns her lost beauty, and will steal yours through your looking-glass, if she catches you.

Ok, so its the looking glass part that caught my attention, especially given the other emphasis on mirrors and such in DA. You've got Morrigan's Golden Mirror, the Eluvian, in DA2 you have the Mirror of Transformation, even in Warden's Keep, it looks like a mirror that Avernus' demons come through. And then this bit how Flemeth steals beauty via a looking glass.

Is there any literal connection there- as in something going on with Flemeth/Morrigan and mirrors or is that simply metaphorical and symbolic?


And then Gaider posted this little bit in the DA2 forums yesterday about Flemeth and Morrigan:

David Gaider wrote...

Ichika Orimura wrote...
about your third remark I don't think a 'batty, mostly harmless old woman'  would be able to save the Warden from a huge group of darkspawns and the fact that she knew more than she said was kind of making her even more  suspicious to the Warden.

Oh, I didn't say she was  particularly good at it. She was, however, trying to convince you of  something... in her way. "Here, take my daughter, how bad could it be?" ../../../images/forum/emoticons/angel.png

The bit about Flemeth forcing Morrigan on the Warden is similar to what Mary Kirby said a while back about Flemeth here, specifically the bolded part:

Mary Kirby wrote...
She's a thousand-year-old abomination, a  shapeshifter who, according to legend (and according to the grimoire you give Morrigan) seduces mortal men in order to get herself more  daughters. Her daughters are reputed to be able to kill men with fear.  She's both a seductress and a hag. She played up the hag aspect for the Warden, "Oh, never mind me, I'm just a crazy old bat who saved your  life! Go on your quest and take my daughter with you! I'm sure nothing terrible could come from that..."  But just because the Warden only saw her as the hag, doesn't mean that's all she was...

Ok. so I'm trying to understand, in both instances, is the "nothing terrible" or "how bad could it be" part simply referencing the Dark Ritual? Thats where I'm lost- obviously in Origins, its set up in Flemeth giving Morrigan over that Flemeth is doing so for some mysterious purpose and she and MOrrigan aren't being totally open. And obviously Morrigan had the whole Dark Ritual thing.

But are Gaider and Kirby insinuating that the Dark Ritual itself was some awful thing which will have something terrible come from it? Or that simply having Morrigan along was some terrible thing which will lead to bad news in the future?

Its just so frustrating that none of these sorts of Morrigan related questions will be dealt with in DA2, if they're ever dealt with at all in the future in any meaningful way. *sigh*

Modifié par Brockololly, 28 janvier 2011 - 04:36 .

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...

But are Gaider and Kirby insinuating that the Dark Ritual itself was some awful thing which will have something terrible come from it? Or that simply having Morrigan along was some terrible thing which will lead to bad news in the future?

Its just so frustrating that none of these sorts of Morrigan related questions will be dealt with in DA2, if they're ever dealt with at all in the future in any meaningful way. *sigh*

I think there will be answers just probably not to the questions you thought. See, I can do cryptic too!

No, seriously, I always took it as 'Here, let me give you a hand, there's nothing up my sleeve by the way...honest'. I think of it less in pure black and white and more in the 'I am playing you before you even realize you are in the game' kind of mindset.

I figure DA2 will shed light at least on Flemeth's side of the plan while still leaving Morrigan's up in the air, perhaps giving a tease or thread to try to figure out what the counter or reason for rebellion is. At the very least you got to see Morrigan make her opening moves in the first game, so you will get to see Flemeth doing the same in the second one so that's something at the very least.