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[Swoo]

Terra_Ex wrote...

B-but a wedding is just so "not" Morri. You'd likely need a contingent of templars to "escort" her down the aisle and get her to go through with the whole thing plus by the time the warden awoke from his wedding night of bliss, she'd have disappeared again leaving the warden with only a ring.

I could see it now...

Morrigan:  'Warden, marriage is punishment for shoplifting in some countries!'

[Mr Plow]

I will ask in here since you are fellow Morri fans



Because of the Witch Hunt bug mess even after the patch came out I used a save straight after the coronation which worked on my 360 and therefore didn't use my Awakening save (let alone the crummy Golems one)



So I have a save for DA 2 consisting of Origins/Witch Hunt. Do you guys think it is worth playing Awakening again? Could I use my Witch Hunt save for Awakening and if so would I then have to play Witch Hunt again after?



Aaagh..my head hurts now...

[MKDAWUSS]

I don't think you can go from Witch Hunt to Awakening.

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

I think there will be answers just probably not to the questions you thought. See, I can do cryptic too!

No, seriously, I always took it as 'Here, let me give you a hand, there's nothing up my sleeve by the way...honest'. I think of it less in pure black and white and more in the 'I am playing you before you even realize you are in the game' kind of mindset.

I figure DA2 will shed light at least on Flemeth's side of the plan while still leaving Morrigan's up in the air, perhaps giving a tease or thread to try to figure out what the counter or reason for rebellion is. At the very least you got to see Morrigan make her opening moves in the first game, so you will get to see Flemeth doing the same in the second one so that's something at the very least.

Yeah,Flemeth's role in DA2 is interesting and should shed some light on Morrigan's plans to some extent and hopefully some decent speculation fuel.

Of course, it all comes down to how Morrigan's story is picked up in the future with the Old God Baby, the Warden and having it such that your actions in Origins meant anything more than a codex/ on size fits all cameo.

Mr Plow wrote...
So I have a save for DA 2 consisting of Origins/Witch Hunt. Do you guys  think it is worth playing Awakening again? Could I use my Witch Hunt  save for Awakening and if so would I then have to play Witch Hunt again  after?

Aaagh..my head hurts now...

I think you import one way. Meaning that, since the order goes Origins--> Awakening--> Golems--> Witch Hunt, you can't go backwards. I've not tried importing from Origins/WH to Awakening, but I wouldn't guess it would work, or if it did, it might end up buggy. Although its questionable how much from Awakening will really matter in DA2.

Modifié par Brockololly, 28 janvier 2011 - 08:57 .

[Brockololly]

*sigh*

Remember back in the days after Awakening came out and we all thought another expack might be coming that might wrap up Morrigan's story? You know, remember this?


Well thats this coming Tuesday, FWIW. Likely not anything Morrigan related after all, but it doesn't seem to be DA: Legends and I can't see them dropping the anime out of no where. And yet its a Tuesday, the traditional release date of games and movies in North America.

Probably just a teaser for a DA2 Super Bowl ad is my guess.  Funny thing is, thats an  Origins style dragon, not a DA2 one. Ah well....

Modifié par Brockololly, 29 janvier 2011 - 04:39 .

[ximena]

It would have been epic if WH was an expansion. But oh well.

[gurp123]

Swoo wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

But are Gaider and Kirby insinuating that the Dark Ritual itself was some awful thing which will have something terrible come from it? Or that simply having Morrigan along was some terrible thing which will lead to bad news in the future?

Its just so frustrating that none of these sorts of Morrigan related questions will be dealt with in DA2, if they're ever dealt with at all in the future in any meaningful way. *sigh*

I think there will be answers just probably not to the questions you thought. See, I can do cryptic too!

J.J. Abrams would be proud.

No, seriously, I always took it as 'Here, let me give you a hand, there's nothing up my sleeve by the way...honest'. I think of it less in pure black and white and more in the 'I am playing you before you even realize you are in the game' kind of mindset.

I figure DA2 will shed light at least on Flemeth's side of the plan while still leaving Morrigan's up in the air, perhaps giving a tease or thread to try to figure out what the counter or reason for rebellion is. At the very least you got to see Morrigan make her opening moves in the first game, so you will get to see Flemeth doing the same in the second one so that's something at the very least.

Any supposed rebellion or opposition from Morrigan could easily just have been Flemeth's plan all along. It's really so open ended right now they could take the story in any direction they want. The biggest question in my mind is whether they're going to perpetually "gray" all of their characters or ultimately make them more black and white. I think the former is more interesting personally.

[Aphetto_LC]

Brockololly wrote...

*sigh*

Remember back in the days after Awakening came out and we all thought another expack might be coming that might wrap up Morrigan's story? You know, remember this?


Well thats this coming Tuesday, FWIW. Likely not anything Morrigan related after all, but it doesn't seem to be DA: Legends and I can't see them dropping the anime out of no where. And yet its a Tuesday, the traditional release date of games and movies in North America.

Probably just a teaser for a DA2 Super Bowl ad is my guess.  Funny thing is, thats an  Origins style dragon, not a DA2 one. Ah well....

I am certain that it originally was supposed to be the release of another expansion.

[Master Shiori]

Even if it were another expansion for Origins, it wouldn't have been focused solely on Morrigan for the sake of a romance closure like WH was.

Romances can be dealt with as part of the greater game, or as DLC, but they'll never be made a focus of an entire expansion.



Now, a stand alone story where Morrigan plays an important part, but which isn't tied to a possible romance with the Warden? That, I can see them doing.



As for the event itself, it's hard to say. We might get a new trailer plus more companions revels, a few new interviews, gameplay videos or even giveaway items like Staff of Parthalan.



Or, it might be Bioware bazaar focused on Dragon Age...

[Ace Attorney]

I am doing a DAII setup run. I don't feel like reading over 400 pages of post, but if someone cares to sum up exactly what I need to do to do (from Beginning Origins to the End of Witch Hunt) achieve the perfect ending (assuming it means the following, if not point out which is the perfect ending): Morrigan has the Warden's Child, the Warden Romanced her, and the ending where the leave on together.
Thanks guys. 

[blademaster7]

As far as I know they fixed the ending with WH. Play the game as you would and you'll be fine. Unless you want a silly .ppv slide in Awakening(See first post for that).



If Awakening and Witch Hunt are any indication on how the importation system is supposed to work then prepare for another facepalm moment where DA2 ends up being bugged as well. Don't worry though, you'll have a playable version of the game in June.

[Brockololly]

T3hAnubis wrote...

I am doing a DAII setup run. I don't feel like reading over 400 pages of post, but if someone cares to sum up exactly what I need to do to do (from Beginning Origins to the End of Witch Hunt) achieve the perfect ending (assuming it means the following, if not point out which is the perfect ending): Morrigan has the Warden's Child, the Warden Romanced her, and the ending where the leave on together.
Thanks guys. 

The big thing is whether you're on PC or console. If you're on PC, download Terra's Morrigan Restoration patch and you're all set. If you're on consoles, this should work (mind you, the mirror stuff is only important if you want the epilogue slide in Awakening, but if you're starting fresh in Origins, you might as well try it):


Play through Origins and romance Morrigan like usual, but DO NOT give her the Golden Mirror gift- hold on to that.

Keep Morrigan's ring equipped throughout Origins, Awakening and into Witch Hunt.

Do the Dark Ritual, and proceed to talk to Morrigan at the gates of Denerim and after everyone has said their goodbyes (Its something like "talk about last night" or something). Talking to her there should ensure you get the ring epilogue at the end of Origins.

Beat Origins and then go into the post coronation save game where everyone is back at camp. Give Morrigan the mirror there and be sure to use the dialogue "Its simply a present. For a beautiful woman." That will set the :love" flag.

Save again, and you can import that save game into Awakening. With any luck, you should get the MOrrigan epilogue at the end of Awakening then.

Import that Awakening save into Witch Hunt (the updated version) and you should be all set to follow Morrigan into the Eluvian!

blademaster7 wrote...
If Awakening and Witch Hunt are any indication on how the importation  system is supposed to work then prepare for another facepalm moment  where DA2 ends up being bugged as well. Don't worry though, you'll have a playable version of the game in June.

Ha- yeah, its sad but true. Seeing as there hasn't been a smooth import process involving Morrigan yet. Without a toolset though, we likely won't have much of an idea whats bugged in DA2's import or if we're missing out on content that we should be seeing that simply isn't getting triggered.

Modifié par Brockololly, 29 janvier 2011 - 06:52 .

[Ace Attorney]

As my sig notes, I am a console player, so thanks for the step by step.

But a question: Do I really need to keep equipped the ring all the time or is having it in my bag enough?

[Brockololly]

T3hAnubis wrote...

As my sig notes, I am a console player, so thanks for the step by step.
But a question: Do I really need to keep equipped the ring all the time or is having it in my bag enough?

I'm pretty sure its probably enough to simply have it in your inventory, but I always have my Warden wearing it.

[Grendenhal]

I've finally found the right thread.  God, I love her.  <sigh>  I admire Bioware for its artistry -- it aspires to novelistic plots and when have great novels ever ended well? --  but for me the loss of Morrigan rendered Awakenings and the other pre-WH DLC unplayable.  I just couldn't muster any interest without Morrigan (or either Leliana, who I also liked.)  And WH was such a disappointment -- hours of a substandard game just for 5 minutes of dialogue and the knowledge that the Warden was finally back with her.  And I can't really drum up any excitement for DA2 either.  Bah humbug.

[Grendenhal]

I'm thinking of playing DA again with Terra Ex's Morrigan mod (with many thanks), learning from my many mistakes the first time through, not screwing up leveling or plot choices, etc.  Any other mods I should install?  Thanks!

[ejoslin]

I'll advertise for myself and say ZDF Dialog Fix. It plays nicely with Morrigan Restoration Patch; it just fixes some other things as well.

[ERk314]

Here's what I did:



Romanced Morrigan and Leliana

Got ring

Broke up with Morrigan (forgot to reload after doing so to break up with Leliana, as I was getting the achievement for Leliana)

Gave Morrigan the mirror

Did DR

Didn't talk to Morrigan at Fort Drakon

Didn't get sorrow and regret at the end of Origins



Was unable to get a post-epilogue save



Imported to Awakening

Got the search for Morrigan epilogue



Imported to GoA



Imported to WH

Got acknowledgement that the DR was undertaken

Was told about my child (old god)

Couldn't follow her through the portal ("We were friends, once.")



All I wanted was to follow her through the portal.

[Jarlof Seoul]

ERk314 wrote...

Here's what I did:

Romanced Morrigan and Leliana
Got ring
Broke up with Morrigan (forgot to reload after doing so to break up with Leliana, as I was getting the achievement for Leliana)
Gave Morrigan the mirror
Did DR
Didn't talk to Morrigan at Fort Drakon
Didn't get sorrow and regret at the end of Origins

Was unable to get a post-epilogue save

Imported to Awakening
Got the search for Morrigan epilogue

Imported to GoA

Imported to WH
Got acknowledgement that the DR was undertaken
Was told about my child (old god)
Couldn't follow her through the portal ("We were friends, once.")

All I wanted was to follow her through the portal.

Maybe romancing Leliana somehow caused WH to not acknowledge romance. You may need to redo without romancing anyone but Morri. What's strange is that you got the right Awakening epilogue. When I accidently romanced Leli after Morri in one of my playthroughs (a funny story I can tell you another time if you want), I got a Leli Awakening epilogue. I repley from DAO with a Morri only romancing Warden.

[Jarlof Seoul]

T3hAnubis wrote...

I am doing a DAII setup run. I don't feel like reading over 400 pages of post, but if someone cares to sum up exactly what I need to do to do (from Beginning Origins to the End of Witch Hunt) achieve the perfect ending (assuming it means the following, if not point out which is the perfect ending): Morrigan has the Warden's Child, the Warden Romanced her, and the ending where the leave on together.
Thanks guys. 

Be careful with dialogue options. I role-play like myself for my canon saves, like a chaotic good character. The problem is Morri would get upset at my Warden helpingother. I made up by giving lots of presents, and of course the grimoire and taking on Flemeth went a long way in getting her to love my Warden. Bringing back some memories. Ending up with her through the mirror made it all worth it and I can play DA2 in peace now...

[blademaster7]

ERk314 wrote...

Here's what I did:

Romanced Morrigan and Leliana
Got ring
Broke up with Morrigan (forgot to reload after doing so to break up with Leliana, as I was getting the achievement for Leliana)
Gave Morrigan the mirror
Did DR
Didn't talk to Morrigan at Fort Drakon
Didn't get sorrow and regret at the end of Origins

Was unable to get a post-epilogue save

Imported to Awakening
Got the search for Morrigan epilogue

Imported to GoA

Imported to WH
Got acknowledgement that the DR was undertaken
Was told about my child (old god)
Couldn't follow her through the portal ("We were friends, once.")

All I wanted was to follow her through the portal.

It seems that Morrigan didn't have the "in love" status in your game. Did you trigger the conversation where she asks your opinion about love?

You get it after you finish her sidequest and her approval is 91+

[blademaster7]

Grendenhal wrote...

I'm thinking of playing DA again with Terra Ex's Morrigan mod (with many thanks), learning from my many mistakes the first time through, not screwing up leveling or plot choices, etc.  Any other mods I should install?  Thanks!

I haven't played DAO in a while so I don't know about all the new mods but if I had to start a playthrough right now I will use:

-Annoyance remover
-White teeth
-Helm removal
-Skip the fade
-Respec mod(for companions you recruit late in the game)
-Morrigan's mod
-Zevran dialogue fix(it's not just about Zevran)
-Charsen's kisses

There are others I'm forgetting but those are the ones I consider "must have".  Knowing me, I would spend more time browsing mods rather than playing the game if I ever get the desire to play DAO again.

Modifié par blademaster7, 30 janvier 2011 - 12:27 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Master Shiori wrote...

Even if it were another expansion for Origins, it wouldn't have been focused solely on Morrigan for the sake of a romance closure like WH was.
Romances can be dealt with as part of the greater game, or as DLC, but they'll never be made a focus of an entire expansion.

Now, a stand alone story where Morrigan plays an important part, but which isn't tied to a possible romance with the Warden? That, I can see them doing.

Brock has waxed eloquently on what Witch Hunt, as a full-on expansion, could have been like. I agree, it would be a poor design choice to have the entire expansion focus on the romance, but the oft-quoted codex entry WH gives you at the beginning gives the sense of a much larger hunt going on, with various organizations all having their own motives for searching for Morrigan. 

Kind of like how LotSB was definitely partly there to appease angry Liara fans (I'm still waiting for my Ashley DLC by the way, Bioware), but even those Sheps that didn't romance her had reasons to go through the storyline. 

[IndigoWolfe]

Before I go to bed, I quick observation I just realized:

For those who've seen the cartoon series Avatar: The Last Aribender; Morrigan looks just like someone from the Fire Nation! Minus a bit of ethnicity.

[Grendenhal]

This may be old news -- if so I apologize.  But I just replayed the battle with the Archdemon and let Morrigan deliver the final deathstroke with her blade. (I built her as an arcane warrior.)  She got to ride the dragon, stab it in the neck, and then was with the Warden when he delivered the (gratuitous) final, final death stroke.  A nice moment that I hadn't seen before.