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[MoSa09]

I know, sorry for using the phrase "annoying", i just wanted to avoid that many people send Gaider mails about an issue he was already asked and could not provide an answer to.



Well, first of all we can keep this going and hih on the list unbtil someone notices. As i said, one small post like " we did notice, we will check later and post the result" would be sufficient

[blademaster7]

They won't fix anything. The game has been out for 5 months now and they still haven't bothered with most issues.

From the top of my head..

-They didn't fix the dexterity bug for xbox360
-They didn't fix the Isolde/Connor codex
-They didn't fix Alistair's dialogue if you don't make him king
-They didn't fix Leliana's romance(she goes ninja-love on everyone)
-They didn't fix a gamebreaking bug during the Orzammar quest

And here I'm asking. What makes you think they'll fix a simple power-point slide in an expansion that has no post-epilogue save?.

Just trying to be a realist here. I don't think they care about it.

Modifié par blademaster7, 20 mars 2010 - 09:51 .

[MoSa09]

No idea, one can hope, no?



As i said, romances are a pretty important part of the game for many players, and Morrigan lovers are already the most screwed of all, and that bug is screwing us even more

[Brockololly]

I feel your pain MoSa and surely would like some developer input on the issue, but as blademaster said, until we know how any potential future importing work in future DA games, this whole thing might be a moot point, especially since its just one slide.

Sure we want a proper ending in Awakening where our PC can go after Morrigan, but considering there isn't even a save game when you finish Awakening, I guess we just have to wait to know whats next for DA to even know if we'll continue on as the Warden...

[MoSa09]

Brockololly wrote...

I feel your pain MoSa and surely would like some developer input on the issue, but as blademaster said, until we know how any potential future importing work in future DA games, this whole thing might be a moot point, especially since its just one slide.
Sure we want a proper ending in Awakening where our PC can go after Morrigan, but considering there isn't even a save game when you finish Awakening, I guess we just have to wait to know whats next for DA to even know if we'll continue on as the Warden...

I never said my hope is realistic, right?

But hey, even if they just post here and say, "we, checked, it'S a bug, but sorry we can't fix it, you have to live with it" i'm fine.
The important part is that this does not escape their attention and in a continuation we will see this bug reappearing and BW's like "we never knew before"

[blademaster7]

If we get the chance to import our saves into the next game(XP or sequel) then it might be a problem.

IMO it would have been a lot better if we got mentions of our romance in game, instead of a silly epilogue slide(which ended up being glitched and not showing up for most people).

Oghren is there with you the whole time. He gets to talk about Branka and you don't even have a simple response to tell him

"I know how you feel buddy. I miss Morrigan"

Or when he talks about Felsi and his child

"At least you get to see your child every now and then"

That just two examples I made up. It's not like it would cost them extra to add a couple of lines to a mute character. But instead of throwing a bone to all those heartbroken Morrigan fans they add insult to injury with their buggy epilogue.

PS: Of course, that would necessitate having dialogue for the other romanceable companions as well. I just used Morrigan as the example. Still, I don't see that beeing too difficult to do.

Modifié par blademaster7, 20 mars 2010 - 11:10 .

[Brockololly]

Yeah that was one of my big disappointments with Awakening- even just a couple of throwaway lines referencing your past romances in game would have satisfied me. I don't think thats asking too much.

Kind of an unrelated point:
For once I would like to see some consequences of your actions within the game. At least with Awakening, you get to make all of these big decisions, like how to upgrade the Keep, dispensing justice as the Arl or killing/sparing the Architect. Yet those decisions really only have any effect in the end game epilogue slides, not within the actual game. Something I hope Bioware works on in the future- I think the Witcher did a better job showing the whole cause and effect thing than in most Bioware games...

Modifié par Brockololly, 20 mars 2010 - 11:18 .

[contown]

Bioware games give the illusion of choice and consequence, but it's rarely actually there. Look at ME2. The only "impact" from your ME1 actions are some emails, shallow and forced random NPC apearances, and a couple lines of dialogue. You never get punished for playing all renegade, and you never have any consequences for letting a bad man live as a paragon.

[Robalicious_13]

Yeah I wanna see what's going on with this too, I didn't get any mention of her when I completed Awakening.



Hell, I might as well replay everything agian just to get that to happen rofl.



<-- Morrigan fan boy!

[Barbarossa2010]

Well according to the Wiki entry on Awakenings, it is stated that Awakenings is probably the last Expansion for the Origins Warden. Yes, I know it's open source/open editing, but at this point, I'm willing to believe any bad news regarding my Warden and Morrigan. And it sounds realistic doesn't it? I mean come on, most of us are pretty well conditioned to being kicked in the balls, so why shouldn't BW do it to us again for the sequel? Jump to the future, zero out your Warden, and play Morrigan's kid or something equally stupid. Sounds about right.

Nothing but wind and tumbleweeds from BW to make us think otherwise. Let's review shall we? (1) Your Warden gets kicked in the balls by a witch he foolishly (in hindsight) romanced in Origins; (2) due to a glitch (or maybe not), your Warden won't even get a teeny tiny epilogue bone about his witch in Awakenings, unless his player followed a very narrow and contrived conversation thread in Origins which, as it turns out, most players find out that their Warden's and the witch were only "friends;" and (3) the player may not get to continue with his Origins Warden in the sequel to even have the chance to find (the now) "friendly" witch.
Wow, is this an epically fun game or what?

I know now we are clearly in the minority, with all the "I love Zevran/Alistair" blah, blah, blah threads, and the constant yammering of the "Attention Deficit, I want a new character, a new time and many new places for a sequel" crowd, not nearly as many as I thought are going to give a damn anyway.

If this turns out to be true, then I have to tell you guys that Morrigan was the single worst piece of writing I have personally encountered in anygame. BW seems to take great pleasure in her. What's management's guidance to developers?:

"Now I wantcha to kick them boys in the nads with a really shi++y romance, got it?; then I wantcha to glitch that romance, and whatever you do, don't throw 'em any bones in DLC or expansions; well, yeah, throw 'em one tiny bone: give 'em a sentence on a powerpoint slide in the epilogue of the first expansion, but make it so they have to follow a stupidly narrow conversation path to get it, then watch 'em jump through hoops replaying their original story just to get that one sentence. Then, after they've spent the effort in getting that one little bone, BOOM, we shred the original and recast for the sequel. Ha, now that's epic entertainment!"

I don't get it.

If Bioware moves on to brighter pastures for DA2, well, good for them I guess. I'll be moving on as well. It's just a deal breaker for me. The only really compelling part of DA is the characters and the Warden's story. While a good game and combat system, I've spent quite enough money and time on a very frustrating storyline that ended with nothing but a bi+ch slap and frustration for all the effort put forth.

I think I'll be sparing a future Warden a painful kick in the balls by another one of Bioware's "epic romances" if they do recast for the future.

BTW, I hope I'm way wrong and BW makes good.  I'm just really in a doubtful mood at this point.

Peace brothers.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 21 mars 2010 - 04:38 .

[Booglarize]

 I'm with Barbarossa. I've moved on - I don't expect any remedies, or even any answers. I've made peace with the feeling that Awakening is most likely the end of the road for this story, as unfortunate as it may be. However, though I can accept that it's over, I can't quite accept this outcome. I've already mentally rewritten my own character's history to correct for the mistakes that were made, and the gaps that were left. And this is how it shall remain for me, until I see for myself what BioWare intends to do next with this series.

[Ash Wind]

I agree with Barbarossa as well...

I certainly am not going to jump to any conclusions because of rumors... However if there is no resolution to the romanced Morrigan/Baby Old God situation with my current character... screw it. If they pull another Orlaisian Warden (or templar or whatever) who has to deal with Morrigan and the Baby I won't have any part of it.

Having said that, I find it hard to believe they would go in that direction. It would be like a novelist telling a publisher to include on the Novel Cover sleeve, "...and oh yea, there will be a major plot point in this novel that will NEVER be answered... Enjoy!!" If that were the case, I don't think they would have even put the Morrigan slide into the Awakenings epilogue.



At least I hope they wouldn't!!!!

[blademaster7]

Barbarossa, you pretty much nailed it for the most part. I would like to point out that Morrigan fans are not the minority, however. Or rather they weren't

I remember a couple of months back where Morrigan was dominating the "favorite character" and "who do you want to see in the future" polls. The poll on the main site had Morrigan leading with 49%(!!!) with hundred of thousands of votes .

Nowadays,  I see more discussions and polls about Alistair, Zevran and Leliana, so if anything, they are killing their "best" character. People are driving away for Morrigan. I never bothered with other characters myself in my first playthrough because I found Morrigan more intriguing. I was one of those Morrigan fans that got treated like dirt and got a kick in the balls just by taking the decisions I was supposed to.

I can't be bothered with her again. If by being a Morrigan fan means that I must endure this frustrating secrecy and the non-continuation of a PC that deserves to learn the truth about her(and the only clue we get is that he abandons his old life just to look for her even though he can live as a rich hero in Denerim) then I'm sorry to say that I don't wanna be that kind of fan.

At least we get  a caring and loving red-haired bard that will never use you to get what she wants and then dump you with no explanation.

Modifié par blademaster7, 21 mars 2010 - 07:45 .

[TheBlackBaron]

For what it's worth, the Awakening epilogue itself appears to be largely unbugged - so long as the proper flags are in place it WILL fire. Now, as the conclusion in this thread seems to be, getting those proper flags from Origins is a chore and is most probably bugged, to which I have nothing more to add except my total agreement.

As for whether DA2 will be a continuation, as I've said a couple times in threads dealing with that neither epilogue seems particularly final from my end. Certainly the two Awakening epilogues I've gotten/am expecting both pretty blatantly state the tale is far from over - one of them is heading west in Orlais, the other (the one my FemCousland Queen will be getting) just plain disappeared from court with no explanation, and it's far too early for her to be facing her Calling. However, should that not be the case the February 2011 date from the box would suggest to me a robust Throne of Baal style EP to clean up the hanging threads from Origins. In any event, poorly written speculation on the wiki aside, I doubt Awakening is the last we'll be hearing from the Warden-Commander.

This is also some possibly unjustified blind optimism on my part, but I likewise don't believe I'll have to stoop to going out with the Orlesian bard that seems to prefer women to men to get an ending with some closure.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 21 mars 2010 - 09:27 .

[MoSa09]

Seems some kind of negative attitude has found it's way in here.

For continuation: i don't know what the Wiki is saying about Awakening, but keep in mind that it is user made and not made by BW, so everything they say is nothing more than speculation, they don't have any more information than you do. I know the rumor that is spreading that each new DA game will be playing in a different time period, we have to wait and see what happens.
I can see them making a spin off in a different part of Thedas and maybe different time period, maybe the 2011 stand alone game wil be something like that. We will see. They promised two years of dlc, so ienough options to wrap this story arc up.

That said, regardless of what epilogue you get to see in Awakening, two things remain. The Warden disappears after some years and it is unknown where he has gone, and the epilogue sayas "That is without a doubt not the last time we heard of him".
I think the implications of the second one needs no further explanation.
The first one is also good. Origins had very different epilogues that made it difficult for each ending to be incorporated into a continuing story. With Awakening, each Warden faces the same ending. He disappears and leaves the Warden and what he is doing behind. That means, they can let the Warden appear everywhere they like cause for some years, he has vanished and no ones knows what he does. So suddenly, every ending of Origins and Awakening Warden can for exmaple happen to retun in Antiva, Tevinter or whereever and can do something completely different, and nobody can say like "but my epilgoe said it differently. Letting people vanish is a good cover-up story to let that one appear somehwere completely different later on.

For dumping the Morrigan romance: i don't switch my favorite club simply they don't make the finals or the play-offs this year. The Morrigan romance was the emotional most engaging and overwhelming i ever had in a video game. The fact that the ending and the carry over to Awakening is rather sad and depressing does not take that fact away and still makes it rewarding.
And i guess she still has many fans, the difference is that the others have facts they can share, they become queen, travel with Leliana or with Zevran, while we got only uncertainty and speculation. And it's easier to chat about facts than speculation.

Modifié par MoSa09, 21 mars 2010 - 01:19 .

[Barbarossa2010]

Well, what would be equally insulting, since I absolutely refuse to play the monkey and jump through another BW hoop to go back and replay the end of Origins to get the proper flag, is to actually continue with my Warden in DA2, find Morrigan and hear her greet him with "What comes my friend?"

[MoSa09]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Well, what would be equally insulting, since I absolutely refuse to play the monkey and jump through another BW hoop to go back and replay the end of Origins to get the proper flag, is to actually continue with my Warden in DA2, find Morrigan and hear her greet him with "What comes my friend?"

That is my biggest concern too. That's why it's not pointless to keep this going. Ir they are aware of this and decide not to fix this for Awakening, at least they know about it and fix this for a possible future reunion.

[VampireCommando]

well that sucks ass, :/ but oh well, when it said my warden vanished off into the night, i knew he had go to look for morrigan, even if the epilouge doesnt say it lol

[Master Shiori]

Being a Morrigan fan I must admit that I don't understand why everyone seems to think that Warden's story ends with Awakening.



Having finished the game yesterday the epilogue said my Warden resigned from his duties at Vigil's Keep and left Ferelden looking for a dark haired sorceress (Morrigan). If anything that seems to indicate that Bioware are wiping away our connections to Ferelden in order to continue our adventures elsewhere. It even says that the Warden's story isn't over.



Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but this leaves me thinking my Warden might be reunited with Morrigan in another expansion/DA2...

[VampireCommando]

Master Shiori wrote...

Being a Morrigan fan I must admit that I don't understand why everyone seems to think that Warden's story ends with Awakening.

Having finished the game yesterday the epilogue said my Warden resigned from his duties at Vigil's Keep and left Ferelden looking for a dark haired sorceress (Morrigan). If anything that seems to indicate that Bioware are wiping away our connections to Ferelden in order to continue our adventures elsewhere. It even says that the Warden's story isn't over.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but this leaves me thinking my Warden might be reunited with Morrigan in another expansion/DA2...

I seriously hope this is te case, i will jump for joy if she's back as a party member, and if she and my warden can pick up where they left off

[MoSa09]

Master Shiori wrote...

Being a Morrigan fan I must admit that I don't understand why everyone seems to think that Warden's story ends with Awakening.

Having finished the game yesterday the epilogue said my Warden resigned from his duties at Vigil's Keep and left Ferelden looking for a dark haired sorceress (Morrigan). If anything that seems to indicate that Bioware are wiping away our connections to Ferelden in order to continue our adventures elsewhere. It even says that the Warden's story isn't over.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but this leaves me thinking my Warden might be reunited with Morrigan in another expansion/DA2...

I'm jealous you managed to get that specific Awakening ending, most of us didn't. I assume you do not know a trick we're not aware of to get to see this and still finish Origins with the epilogue where you feel her thinking about you through the ring?

Modifié par MoSa09, 21 mars 2010 - 04:51 .

[J_chambers]

Has anyone tried using the console cheats on PC to reset Morrigan's flag back to love? So far I still got the ring slide and finishing up Awakening, I'll give an update if this works or not.

Modifié par J_chambers, 21 mars 2010 - 04:42 .

[Barbarossa2010]

blademaster7 wrote...

Barbarossa, you pretty much nailed it for the most part. I would like to point out that Morrigan fans are not the minority, however. Or rather they weren't

I remember a couple of months back where Morrigan was dominating the "favorite character" and "who do you want to see in the future" polls. The poll on the main site had Morrigan leading with 49%(!!!) with hundred of thousands of votes .

Nowadays,  I see more discussions and polls about Alistair, Zevran and Leliana, so if anything, they are killing their "best" character. People are driving away for Morrigan. I never bothered with other characters myself in my first playthrough because I found Morrigan more intriguing. I was one of those Morrigan fans that got treated like dirt and got a kick in the balls just by taking the decisions I was supposed to.

I remember the polls.  That was a few months back right in the wake of release of the game and initial plays.  But now, there is almost utter silence comparatively.  I remember a whole lot of guys posting "WTFs" all over the place back then.  I mean, there was real outrage at the abruptness of the ending and the near insidious nature of the Dark Ritual, (which went to a whole new level for those who romanced Morrigan), her unrealistic silence, and the Warden's inability to get a single important answer or affect anything related to her. 

Add to this a "glitch" (but again, maybe not a glitch) that makes you "just friends" in an attempt to remedy that unrealistic silence, and I know I'm becoming very discouraged, so I don't doubt for an instant that others are too.

To me, the Dark Ritual turned Morrigan from trusted lover to possible threat with what she was asking you to do.  It was weird, and especially so for those who romanced her.  Add up discouragement plus the feeling of being made into a chump and I think you might be right that people are just starting to walk away to other things, and justifiably so IMHO.

[Barbarossa2010]

Master Shiori wrote...

Being a Morrigan fan I must admit that I don't understand why everyone seems to think that Warden's story ends with Awakening.

Having finished the game yesterday the epilogue said my Warden resigned from his duties at Vigil's Keep and left Ferelden looking for a dark haired sorceress (Morrigan). If anything that seems to indicate that Bioware are wiping away our connections to Ferelden in order to continue our adventures elsewhere. It even says that the Warden's story isn't over.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but this leaves me thinking my Warden might be reunited with Morrigan in another expansion/DA2...

You don't understand because you actually got the "dark haired" epilogue.  Most of us didn't and we're a little pissed we couldn't even get that small bone for all the effort.  Many of us just seem to get it wrong no matter what we do, and I'm done playing monkey for BW, and refuse to go back and play the end of Origins to get it.

Happy you got it though.

[TheBlackBaron]

Master Shiori wrote...

Being a Morrigan fan I must admit that I don't understand why everyone seems to think that Warden's story ends with Awakening.

Having finished the game yesterday the epilogue said my Warden resigned from his duties at Vigil's Keep and left Ferelden looking for a dark haired sorceress (Morrigan). If anything that seems to indicate that Bioware are wiping away our connections to Ferelden in order to continue our adventures elsewhere. It even says that the Warden's story isn't over.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but this leaves me thinking my Warden might be reunited with Morrigan in another expansion/DA2...

Honestly, I think it's because for Leliana and Zevran fans their Awakening endings do wrap up pretty well, so they'd be the ones most ready for a totally new setting/time period/what have you, and they squee the loudest on these forums. It's far (far, far) less closed for the Morrigan and even Alistair fans, but there's no way even by our powers combined that we could outyell the others.

Fortunately, David G. at least seems to know (based on some posts of his I've read) that the forums represent a fairly small percentage of the fanbase and that they tend towards more extreme viewpoints; case in point, the number of "AWAKENING SUX I HATE YOU BIOWARE/EA" threads.

Anyway, I totally agree with you - it's pretty blatantly stated that the Warden's tale is not yet done, and Awakening seems to have done a good job cutting most ties with Ferelden.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 21 mars 2010 - 06:20 .