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[Addai]

ximena wrote...

Meh. I've decided to completely ignore EA's marketing when it comes to their copywriting. =_=

"Morrigan's secrets revealed." Then "Fight like a Spartan. Think like a general" and "when you push a button, something awesome happens!" XD

and here's some OGB art. XD

OGB for LI in DA3  

Seriously, that's lovely.

[MKDAWUSS]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Speaking of the OGB, do you guys think that in terms of looks, he will look like his mother and father, or as the god of beauty, he'd assume his own form? Or maybe as the god of beauty he judges Morrigan's and the Warden's phenotypes to be adequate? xD
Hopefully they won't abandon or ruin the OGB sub-plot, I have high hopes for him.

To visually conceptualize him is probably goingt to be hard to do if his appearance comes like any other sentient being appearance because the father's appearance is going to be varied. I do think he'll inherit Morrigan's yellow eyes regardless.

And yeah, I hope they give that subplot what it deserves, but I'm not holding my breath on it. Chances are they'll just hope we forget about that as we are kept occupied/distracted by other characters and events.

[Giggles_Manically]

What I think would be interesting is:



If Loghain or Alistair does the DR, then the OGB looks somewhat like one of them and maybe gets some of their mannerisms.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Very idealistic in fact, but quite frankly that's what's keeping me in the franchise right now. The possibility of some continuity that would make DA a real engaging franchise rather than a collection of loosely associated games that we've all played before. But eh, it's more hopes rather than expectations (expects someone to post the Eomer pic).

Agreed on all counts.

And :

ximena wrote...
Actually, I think even if mthere's a portion of the gamers who hate Morrigan, they still did the
DR. And if you look outside the forums, there were many people who mraised their concern over what happened to the OGB and Morrigan. Plus mthe way Bioware is moving right now, if they see that there is a lot of mpotential in the OGB story, they'd still take it even if it would mean mangering those who want to honor their US'd-no-DR-hence-no-OGB Warden msave games.

The way I see it, it's a damn shame if Bioware is just gonna put this plotline under the rug.

Even if you hated Morrigan, I think many still did the DR for the sake of maybe Alistair or their LI- just because you did it doesn't mean you did it with the desire to give Morrigan the OGB. People seem to forget that the other half of the DR equation is that no Warden dies- something thats equally remarkable as creating the OGB. Its something that (to your knowledge) has never happened before. That side of things is an interesting plot thread to explore, I think.

I'd hope they don't marginalize or ditch the OGB storyline. Its got a hell of a lot of potential and considering its the biggest choice from Origins, it should amount to a fair amount of divergence down the road.


I'm reading through A Game of Thrones right now and besides being awesome, its great how GRR Martin is able to juggle a bunch of different characters all at once and yet weave them back together  when the narrative calls for it. If DAO and DA2 set up the Warden and Hawke, I would love it if DA3 set up a multiple protagonist approach with the Warden/Hawke and maybe a new guy as PC's, then break the story down in chapters  or Starcraft like campaigns, maybe with World War Thedas as the Big "Change" event, giving it from the different perspectives of the 3 PCs. Now THAT would be some innovative story telling for an RPG.


Oh, and I'd bet the OGB has Morrigan's yellow eyes. Thats pretty much one of her trademarks and would be a simple yet effective signifier of the OGB's maternal lineage.

Modifié par Brockololly, 08 février 2011 - 04:44 .

[LTS_Guitarian]

They may come back to the OGB at some point. You can't ever tell with these people. It wouldn't surprise me if they did just decide to "sweep it under a rug." as Xim said. I still get the feeling that they're tying to spin some huge web that will connect at some point later on in the series. But if they keep leaving things by the wayside, I don't see many people caring about it by then.

[Master Shiori]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

Oh, and Shiori, $7 for WH was exteremely overpriced. It would have been a rip-off if it was free. I don't appreciate having to pay good money to be lied to ("All your questions answered!!"...not).

If that's your opinion, then fair enough. I, on the other hand, didn't buy into the whole "all your Morrigan questions answered!" hype and therefore didn't end up disappointed or found WH to be lacking in any form.
My only expectation was to have a proper closure to the romance between my Warden and Morrigan and that's what I got. So yes, Witch Hunt lived up to all my expectations, though I get it that others may have expected more out of it.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Speaking of the OGB, do you guys think that in terms of looks, he will look like his mother and father, or as the god of beauty, he'd assume his own form? Or maybe as the god of beauty he judges Morrigan's and the Warden's phenotypes to be adequate? xD

Hopefully they won't abandon or ruin the OGB sub-plot, I have high hopes for him.

Considering how much freedom we had when it came to customizing our Warden's race and looks, I'd wager Bioware will play it safe and base OGB on Morrigan, with maybe a few improvements to emphasize it being the Old God of beauty.

As for whether or not we'll ever see the OGB; well, David Gaider did say that DR was the most important choice in Origins and that we will see the consequences of that at some point.

So take that as you will.

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I wouldn't mind my the God Child taking over Thedas, but eh...the reality is that it's a choice that many didn't take I think ( since a LOT of people hate Morrigan ).

Well, everyone who romanced Alistair and wanted a happy ending with him had to agree with the DR, so I'd wager there are a lot of people who accepted Morrigan's offer even if they didn't like her personaly.

I do expect the OGB to pop up in some form. I just don't expect BIoware to make him an important part of the story, since he's optional after all.

[LTS_Guitarian]

Master Shiori wrote...
If that's your opinion, then fair enough. I, on the other hand, didn't buy into the whole "all your Morrigan questions answered!" hype and therefore didn't end up disappointed or found WH to be lacking in any form.
My only expectation was to have a proper closure to the romance between my Warden and Morrigan and that's what I got. So yes, Witch Hunt lived up to all my expectations, though I get it that others may have expected more out of it.

Whether you bought into it or not is irrelevant.  That was how they advertised it.  That, more than anything, is what made it a rip-off.  I was very suspicious going in and never really had high hopes for it.  On the plus side, at least I can't claim I was disappointed.  It was exactly what I thought it was going to be...total garbage.  

[Master Shiori]

LTS_Guitarian wrote...

Whether you bought into it or not is irrelevant.  That was how they advertised it.  That, more than anything, is what made it a rip-off.  I was very suspicious going in and never really had high hopes for it.  On the plus side, at least I can't claim I was disappointed.  It was exactly what I thought it was going to be...total garbage.  

How so?

If you accepted the hype you were bound to end up disappointed since you didn't get the answers you were looking for. If you didn't buy into it and only wanted to see Morrigan again and maybe tie up loose ends from DA:O, then it served it's purpose.

The "rip-off" and "total garbage" parts are entirely subjective and something we obviously don't agree upon. Imo, WH fits in fine with other DLC's released up to that point. I found it gave me a nice amount of content for $7 but, again, that's just me.

Sure, I agree with you and others here that the marketing department messed up royaly. I can understand why people would be disappointed and for what reasons. I simply can't count myself among that number for reasons I already stated.

[LTS_Guitarian]

Master Shiori wrote...

How so?

If you accepted the hype you were bound to end up disappointed since you didn't get the answers you were looking for. If you didn't buy into it and only wanted to see Morrigan again and maybe tie up loose ends from DA:O, then it served it's purpose.

The "rip-off" and "total garbage" parts are entirely subjective and something we obviously don't agree upon. Imo, WH fits in fine with other DLC's released up to that point. I found it gave me a nice amount of content for $7 but, again, that's just me.

Sure, I agree with you and others here that the marketing department messed up royaly. I can understand why people would be disappointed and for what reasons. I simply can't count myself among that number for reasons I already stated.

Very simply put, they advertised the Witch Hunt DLC as a total wrapup to the Morrigan and OGB arc("all your questions answered", remember that?).  It was hardly that.  That's how so.  So whether you bought into the hype or not is irrelevant.  What matters is how Bioware tried to push WH off as something that it wasn't.  If you were satisfied with the ending, then that's cool, but it still doesn't alleviate the responsibility to the game makers to market their products truthfully, which BiowarEA failed to do, plain and simple.  There is no debating that.  If you, yourself, didn't fall for the hype, then you therefore admit that there was hype to be fooled by.  Ergo supporting the validity of my statement saying WH was a rip-off.  It was billed as something it wasn't  I can't make that any more plain. 

BiowarEA has broken not only my trust but the trust of many gamers.  We only get to see a small sample of that here on this forum.  I hear about it all the time through other venues as well.  And it's up to them to fix it, not me.

[ximena]

The way I see it, the Bioware devs aren't really in control of their marketing. EA does that for them.  And as far as I can see, their marketing could use some help.  (Usually, in big companies/corporations, they have their own marketing department. The only go ahead signal they need is the Big boss... not the creators who know the creation the most.)

WH is a victim here too. It's a product with desirable points that wasn't even advertised well.

My point is that I think a gamer shouldn't entirely base it on the promises the marketing makes. What's important with the game is the experience. And the good thing is.... there's actually a demo you can try later this month. I know there might isn't really anything about Morrigan here. But the thing is... this is still the dragon age universe. And THERE'S FLEMETH. Aren't you at least interested how things unfold and lead to Morrigan's return? They devs did say this is something like a set up for something along those lines.

And I think it's not the devs who broke your trust, it's the marketing. And they seriously need to be burned. May I ask now.... just because the marketing screw up, the game is "total garbage?"

The thing about internet advertising is that no one regulates your advertising. In TV and print, there are actually regulations about putting forward false claims. Sadly, WH suffered from being marketed with a false claim.

What exactly do you need them to fix anyway?

Modifié par ximena, 08 février 2011 - 02:16 .

[Master Shiori]

When people like Brock pointed out the whole "all your Morri questions answered" mess to David Gaider and Bioware, they took down the banner in question but the damage was already done by that point.

It's obvious from their reaction that devs never intended to provide answers to every Morri related mystery nor did they want to advertise WH as such. The fault here lies entirely with marketing team. Other than making sure someone gets sanctioned or even fired, there's not much else Bioware can do.

All that devs themselves can do is make sure all their future games (like DA2) turn out to be a quility product.

[MKDAWUSS]

Master Shiori wrote...

Considering how much freedom we had when it came to customizing our Warden's race and looks, I'd wager Bioware will play it safe and base OGB on Morrigan, with maybe a few improvements to emphasize it being the Old God of beauty.

You're probably right - he'll probably be completely based off Morrigan. It'll be additionally easier to make it their character instead of your character. Don't be surprised to hear absolutely no mention of the kid's father

As for whether or not we'll ever see the OGB; well, David Gaider did say that DR was the most important choice in Origins and that we will see the consequences of that at some point.

So take that as you will.

I'll be interested to see how that plays out, even though my expectations for it are moderately low. I wonder if any canonizing, handwaving and plot hammering will be necessary. ... Then again, the whole thing would probably just be watered down to where it's a trivial point.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Master Shiori wrote...
I do expect the OGB to pop up in some form. I just don't expect BIoware to make him an important part of the story, since he's optional after all.

Which is a shame, because the alternative (US or have someone die) is not nearly as interesting. When it comes to two choices, one of which has huge potential, the other however, while it could be meangful to the players, has no potential whatsoever, then the latter ought to be sacrificed for the former.
I usually dislike canonization, but when it comes to DR or no DR, DR offers much more potetnial than the alternative and I would see it as an acceptable sacrifice to ignore it.


As for WH. I think the main dissapointment here is that it could have been much more. Evidently, the concept of Awakening has been put on hold and will most probably be dropped. That makes Awakening feel useless and like an isolated event (I still like it though). What should have been done is either merge WH and Awakening into one expansion, or drop Awakening completely and make an expansion out of WH. There are hints in the DLC itself that it was supposed to be much more than this.

For 7$, I thought WH was adequate and easily the best Origins DLC. It is still dissapointing because it did not provide as much answers as I would have wanted (and I did not expect full answers to anything). Actually, did Morrigan answer anything really except advertize DA2?  And the second reason, which is more important to me, is that it could have been much much more and closer to what Morrigan and her subplot truly deserve. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 08 février 2011 - 03:38 .

[Giggles_Manically]

I think it would be stupid to give people a choice then make it meaningless in the series.



I mean why leave choice if all you will do is force all the variables down one path.

Also Gaider has said that if the DR was turned down there was no OGB.

If someone dies both their soul and the OG soul went poof.



So any end with someone dead means that the OG is not going to be in the future sadly.

[KnightofPhoenix]

That choice just has no potential whatsoever to be expanded upon. The DR has. For me it's clear, I'd sacrifice the former that at the end has no potential, for the latter.

Yes, it's stupid to have given people the choice, they should have made the OGB happen one way or the other. Since they didn't, and since I would prefer if they don't make a meh story that doesn't portray the OGB plot to its fullest potential but rather as an insignificant codex entry or side quest, I find sacrificing the other choice to be perfectly acceptable and desirable.

[Giggles_Manically]

To bad Gaider disagrees and said that there will be more then one plot though.

[MKDAWUSS]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I think it would be stupid to give people a choice then make it meaningless in the series.
 

Just about every choice in DAO was essentially meaningless in the series.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

To bad Gaider disagrees and said that there will be more then one plot though.

It will be a collection of small meaingless plots that are just there to wrap things up, badly. While distracting us with "new sh*t" that will also prove to be meaningless in the long run.

It's idiotic to give choices that should have huge consequences, and then just discard them. The US has no consequences. The DR has and a rather important one.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 08 février 2011 - 05:18 .

[Master Shiori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Which is a shame, because the alternative (US or have someone die) is not nearly as interesting. When it comes to two choices, one of which has huge potential, the other however, while it could be meangful to the players, has no potential whatsoever, then the latter ought to be sacrificed for the former.
I usually dislike canonization, but when it comes to DR or no DR, DR offers much more potetnial than the alternative and I would see it as an acceptable sacrifice to ignore it. 

Oh, I definitely agree with you there. DR alone of all the endings holds the most potential for future stories. It's just that by making it optional, you severely limit it's impact. Right now, OGB is going to get the same treatment as a romance would; it's content that may be awesome but it's also optional, which means only a certain group of people will ever experience it. Therefore, Bioware won't waste a lot of resources on it nor make it an important part of DA3 or whichever title it's going to be featured in.
The way I see it, the best thing you can do is to have OGB make a significant difference in Morrigan's ultimate fate. That way the child serves a greater purpose than simply being a way for your Warden to cheat death.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 08 février 2011 - 05:28 .

[Giggles_Manically]

There is also the issue that in TWO of the THREE import options for DA2 there is no DR done as well.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Master Shiori wrote...
Oh, I definitely agree with you there. DR alone of all the endings holds the most potential for future stories. It's just that by making it optional, you severely limit it's impact. Right now, OGB is going to get the same treatment as a romance would; it's content that may be awesome but it's also optional, which means only a certain group of people will ever experience it. Therefore, Bioware won't waste a lot of resources on it nor make it an important part of DA3 or whichever title it's going to be featured in.
The way I see it, the best thing you can do is to have OGB make a significant difference in Morrigan's ultimate fate. That way the child serves a greater purpose than simply being a way for your Warden to cheat death.

And it's a monumental waste. They should have never made it optional.

The treatment of the OGB will most likely be pathetic. The OGB is supposed to go beyond both Morrigan and the warden. It's a freakin old god.

[Giggles_Manically]

Ah but what is an Old god compared to new players and more money KoP?

[KnightofPhoenix]

And hence the death of art.

[Roamingmachine]

Reading all this makes me glad i bought the ultimate edition when it was on sale on steam.No dishonest advertising for me kthnxbai.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And hence the death of art.

Well Bioware is a company.

At the end of the day what makes the more money is what counts.
If I want art in games I look to the Indie developers now.