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[Swoo]

Mustang678 wrote...

I don't think a Warden return is going to happen, they've stated many times that the warden's story is over

Have they? The only thing I ever heard was he had no place in this current story. I don't follow the boards of dev posts though, so I might have missed it.

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

Mustang678 wrote...

I don't think a Warden return is going to happen, they've stated many times that the warden's story is over

Have they? The only thing I ever heard was he had no place in this current story. I don't follow the boards of dev posts though, so I might have missed it.

They've said that insofar as Origins is concerned, namely defeating the 5th Blight, the Warden's story is over. And that should they bring the Warden back, it would be in a brand new story and that the Warden won't be in DA2. Come on now, its Gaider we're dealing with- he never gives a straight answer with respect to story/plot stuff.

Come to think of it, if Hawke were to disappear at the end of DA2, it would be eerily similar to KOTOR1 and KOTOR2 really, with Revan and the Exile both having disappeared.  Hopefully that would make DA3 an epic teamup, multiple protagonist game and not like TOR, an MMO.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I think Mass Effect is a more likely candidate to be MMOed.

I am not sure how a multiple protagonist game would work. You mean something like Origins, where we pick the character we want to play? Could be done, but I'll be surprised if they'll have a silent protagonist and a voiced one at the same time.

To be honest, I do not think the Warden will be back in any huge way. My primary concern now is to make his journey with Morrigan matter, specifically vis a vis the OGB, which is the only feasible way that I can think of, to continue the Warden's legacy. It might need to canonize the DR, and I think it should be done.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 26 février 2011 - 05:47 .

[Glorfindel709]

I agree, I see a ME MMO before I see a DA one.



At the same time, I dont think we'd see a team up of Hawke and the Warden, mostly because of the voice acting versus silent protagonist deal + the amount of ways they'd have to design that game to allow both characters to flow together in separate but meaningful mission/sections etc (perhaps like Halo 2 did with Chief/Arbiter) and design it to make the decisions made by both be meaningful to the world for *every* player, at least in some capacity.



I agree with KoP (again... I really am a Minion) that if anything we might get to continu with our Warden in regards to the OBG leaving with Morrigan. I'm still not sure if that's what I want my Warden to do but that's most likely going to be the option.

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...

Swoo wrote...

Mustang678 wrote...

I don't think a Warden return is going to happen, they've stated many times that the warden's story is over

Have they? The only thing I ever heard was he had no place in this current story. I don't follow the boards of dev posts though, so I might have missed it.

They've said that insofar as Origins is concerned, namely defeating the 5th Blight, the Warden's story is over. And that should they bring the Warden back, it would be in a brand new story and that the Warden won't be in DA2. Come on now, its Gaider we're dealing with- he never gives a straight answer with respect to story/plot stuff.

Come to think of it, if Hawke were to disappear at the end of DA2, it would be eerily similar to KOTOR1 and KOTOR2 really, with Revan and the Exile both having disappeared.  Hopefully that would make DA3 an epic teamup, multiple protagonist game and not like TOR, an MMO.

Oh, I understand the Gaider-trap Brock, I just had never heard a definite 'He's done' and only 'He's done as far as Dragon Age 2 goes', which is why I asked. The OP made it sound like they said that it was a done deal etched in stone.

I doubt we see another MMO as they'd be competing with themselves really. Blizzard has had another MMO in works for quite some time, but the they don't plan to release against WoW as you are really just taking a dollar from your left pocket to put seventy-five cents into your right pocket. It's usually when they age and the ennui really sets in for the majority of the player base that you see something new roll out, complete with the whole one-fee/entire-line kind of deals.

You guys have me pretty interested now with the end of DA2. I'm trying so hard to step back and look at it from a big picture of where everyone is invested in everything, and what makes sense, but I keep coming back to Morrigan. With Morrigan being up to something the entire first game, and what seems to be hinted that the second game is Flemeth's, it just makes sense the third would be them coming to a head - and what better sudden, cliffhanger ending than Flemeth being marshalled and ready and out steps Morrigan, and then a fade to black.

And I might not have been clear, I was barely awake in my earlier postings, but I was thinking more along the lines that if Hawke and the Warden were in DA3, they would be story NPCs. I could see Hawke being Flemeth's 'General', and the Warden being Morrigans...or Alistair...or Anora...(all depending on if they read Origins Kingly/LI decisions that far into the game), with you playing someone caught in the middle, and maybe interacting with one or both sparingly.

And the big change coming? Chantry falling, Mages uprising, armies coming from across the seas and mountains, Darkspawn still emerging, Elves restoring their old homeland, that's the changes I figure are coming. The status quo is about to get wrecked right proper, and there's nothing anyone can really do to stop it.

[Beren082]

Hawke may have a pivotal roll in DA3, Possibly Morrigan as an old woman, and definitely Flemmeth in whatever form she chooses at that point (it'd be cool if the rolls were suddenly reversed, and she was the young sorceress and Morrigan was the old witch). The OGB could actually come from more then one source, be it the DR or the Architect (would certainly give meaning to Awakenings). But I think that it would be the best option as the player in DA3, especially spanning it's entire lfietime. In one origin story, you are born to Morrigan alone, in another, you're raised by both Morrigan and the Warden, in yet another, you are drawn forth by the Architect, and grow up surrounded by awakened darkspawn. But you start there, and experience the transition from a simple child to a living god among men. Would most definitely make for some meaningful and far reaching choices. as well as the ultimate badd ass.

Modifié par Beren082, 26 février 2011 - 07:18 .

[Esbatty]

Ain't no sunshine when she's gone.
It's not warm when she's away.
Ain't no sunshine when she's gone
And she's always gone too long anytime she goes away.

[Alex Kershaw]

Morrigan as old witch = NOT COOL

Above post = +1

[MKDAWUSS]

Swoo wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Swoo wrote...

Mustang678 wrote...

I don't think a Warden return is going to happen, they've stated many times that the warden's story is over

Have they? The only thing I ever heard was he had no place in this current story. I don't follow the boards of dev posts though, so I might have missed it.

They've said that insofar as Origins is concerned, namely defeating the 5th Blight, the Warden's story is over. And that should they bring the Warden back, it would be in a brand new story and that the Warden won't be in DA2. Come on now, its Gaider we're dealing with- he never gives a straight answer with respect to story/plot stuff.

Come to think of it, if Hawke were to disappear at the end of DA2, it would be eerily similar to KOTOR1 and KOTOR2 really, with Revan and the Exile both having disappeared.  Hopefully that would make DA3 an epic teamup, multiple protagonist game and not like TOR, an MMO.

Oh, I understand the Gaider-trap Brock, I just had never heard a definite 'He's done' and only 'He's done as far as Dragon Age 2 goes', which is why I asked. The OP made it sound like they said that it was a done deal etched in stone.

I doubt we see another MMO as they'd be competing with themselves really. Blizzard has had another MMO in works for quite some time, but the they don't plan to release against WoW as you are really just taking a dollar from your left pocket to put seventy-five cents into your right pocket. It's usually when they age and the ennui really sets in for the majority of the player base that you see something new roll out, complete with the whole one-fee/entire-line kind of deals.

You guys have me pretty interested now with the end of DA2. I'm trying so hard to step back and look at it from a big picture of where everyone is invested in everything, and what makes sense, but I keep coming back to Morrigan. With Morrigan being up to something the entire first game, and what seems to be hinted that the second game is Flemeth's, it just makes sense the third would be them coming to a head - and what better sudden, cliffhanger ending than Flemeth being marshalled and ready and out steps Morrigan, and then a fade to black.

And I might not have been clear, I was barely awake in my earlier postings, but I was thinking more along the lines that if Hawke and the Warden were in DA3, they would be story NPCs. I could see Hawke being Flemeth's 'General', and the Warden being Morrigans...or Alistair...or Anora...(all depending on if they read Origins Kingly/LI decisions that far into the game), with you playing someone caught in the middle, and maybe interacting with one or both sparingly.

And the big change coming? Chantry falling, Mages uprising, armies coming from across the seas and mountains, Darkspawn still emerging, Elves restoring their old homeland, that's the changes I figure are coming. The status quo is about to get wrecked right proper, and there's nothing anyone can really do to stop it.

To be fair, Sony Online has multiple MMOs running at once.

[Barbarossa2010]

Going to try multiple posts here.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

To be honest, I do not think the Warden will be back in any huge way. My primary concern now is to make his journey with Morrigan matter, specifically vis a vis the OGB, which is the only feasible way that I can think of, to continue the Warden's legacy. It might need to canonize the DR, and I think it should be done.

Agree.  If he's brought back at all, it will be because of fanbase outcry, and then probably only in cameo form.  Looking at the DA2 threads, the old schoolers certainly feel like a minority, but then again, this site represents only a miniscule percentage of total players (and how well it's representative of a meaningful cross-section is anyone's guess). But, at present, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Glorfindel709 wrote...

At the same time, I dont think we'd see a team up of Hawke and the Warden, mostly because of the voice acting versus silent protagonist deal + the amount of ways they'd have to design that game to allow both characters to flow together in separate but meaningful mission/sections etc (perhaps like Halo 2 did with Chief/Arbiter) and design it to make the decisions made by both be meaningful to the world for *every* player, at least in some capacity.

Yeah, I agree here too.  I've used this exact example.  Playing both Arbiter and Master Chief in HALO 2 was a thrilling way to tell a story from two very diverse perspectives (well...not so diverse as it turned out with the whole 'enemy of my enemy' thing as we would find out in 3); but I thought is was masterful and is a proven method that could easily be lifted and used, especially if Hawke (Flemeth) and the Warden (Morrigan) do turn out to be on opposing sides of the "change" theme.  Of course this assumes an overriding desire to reintroduce the Warden into the story.

Swoo wrote...

Oh, I understand the Gaider-trap Brock, I just had never heard a definite 'He's done' and only 'He's done as far as Dragon Age 2 goes', which is why I asked. The OP made it sound like they said that it was a done deal etched in stone.

In fact, they seem to be going out of their way to remain as non-commital as possible to avoid puting-off niche fans.  Even if they did state anything emphatically, I am disinclined to believe anything at present from this crew, given the marketing and announcement fiascos.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 26 février 2011 - 03:28 .

[Mr Plow]

I will be pleasantly stunned if we see The Warden again in Dragon Age

[Master Shiori]

Swoo wrote...

Oh, I understand the Gaider-trap Brock, I just had never heard a definite 'He's done' and only 'He's done as far as Dragon Age 2 goes', which is why I asked. The OP made it sound like they said that it was a done deal etched in stone.

They never said the Warden would be back, but they never said he wouldn't be back either. Basically, I think it's the case of writers not wanting to put themselves in a corner by saying something that can change in the future. So, they'll refuse to give us a definite answer as to keep their options open.

Swoo wrote...

I doubt we see another MMO as they'd be competing with themselves really. Blizzard has had another MMO in works for quite some time, but the they don't plan to release against WoW as you are really just taking a dollar from your left pocket to put seventy-five cents into your right pocket. It's usually when they age and the ennui really sets in for the majority of the player base that you see something new roll out, complete with the whole one-fee/entire-line kind of deals.

Pretty much this.

They'll have their hands full with TOR and won't be making another MMO until that thing has run its course.

Swoo wrote...

You guys have me pretty interested now with the end of DA2. I'm trying so hard to step back and look at it from a big picture of where everyone is invested in everything, and what makes sense, but I keep coming back to Morrigan. With Morrigan being up to something the entire first game, and what seems to be hinted that the second game is Flemeth's, it just makes sense the third would be them coming to a head - and what better sudden, cliffhanger ending than Flemeth being marshalled and ready and out steps Morrigan, and then a fade to black.

Maybe.

The only hint we have is that, according to Varric, Hawke will disappear after the end of DA2. We don't really know what will happen. The cliffhanger could be about Morrigan coming back or it could be something about Hawke. Guess we'll need to play the game to find out for sure.

Swoo wrote...

And the big change coming? Chantry falling, Mages uprising, armies coming from across the seas and mountains, Darkspawn still emerging, Elves restoring their old homeland, that's the changes I figure are coming. The status quo is about to get wrecked right proper, and there's nothing anyone can really do to stop it.

The Chantry flling and mages rising definitely seem like they're imminent. The other changes are still up in the air. But I've no doubt that the world will be much changed by the end of Dragon Age 2.

[blademaster7]

Just a heads up. Don't raise any expectations about Morrigan and the Warden for DA2 & 3. If you're playing the game and all you do is wait for that reference/cameo to pop up then you're gonna be disappointed.

[Terra_Ex]

Lots of stuff to comment on, alas no Morri pics to break up the text.



[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Whatever- a bunch of people recommended I PM Laidlaw my beastly impressions from the demo I posted in the DA2 demo thread, so I did. Not that it means much, but there you go.[/quote]
I look forward to his response, Brock. You'll soon earn yourself a cameo in a future game like one of those NPCs from BG that constantly engages you in conversation. Nice Morri pic btw 

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
I do find it odd that Gaider seems to be writing only one companion  (Fenris) though this time around. He wrote Cassandra as well I think, but that seems a far cry from Origins where he wrote Shale, Morrigan, Zev, Alistair and so on.[/quote]
Indeed, no bad girl obvious trap Gaider romance it seems. I am disappoint BioWare.
[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Haha- great- I recall prior to Origins being released, when they released the CC, most of the story was found out. Good times. I'm not nearly as technically literate as you Terra, but when looking at the demo install I saw it breeze through installing all the files and  figured there were some spoilers there based on how things were labeled- like most games.[/quote]
Yeah, they've compressed (maybe also encrypted) the files this time and changed some (but not all) of the file structures a little - certain sets of files now look to be encapsulated in containers too, like the cutscene/dialogue pairs. I cba to look into it further till the retail version hits in case the implementation differs. Might be worth examining the talk table in the final game to extract any and all Morri/warden/ogb references though.



[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Hmmm... interesting that Avernus stuff is still hanging around. Although with a lot of that stuff is it not possible it could be stuff they're just keeping around for DA3 or some future import? Maybe the "witch" one refers to Witch Hunt?[/quote]
Maybe it does, it looks like there *might* be a letter relating to Avernus as well but the file name is abbreviated (received letters seem to crop up frequently in the plot file names.) Still it'll just be a small bone to apprease an angry mob until we see the plot back in action again. 



[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Any sign of the Dark Ritual or Morrigan related  plot stuff or has that stuff likely been bugged to high hell as usual?[/quote]Surely you jest!? I don't think that's all the plot files (just those that are necessary so as not to break anything in the demo) and I'm sure it's buried in there somewhere for DA2 retail after an (unsuccessful) import. I expect they'll dump the important decisions (threesome with Isabela, did Dog watch, etc) into a single plotfile during the import. 



[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Oh, Arl Foreshadow, how you led us astray and dashed all our hope. He'll probably give some great Morri/Warden tease only for BioWare to put on their troll face when DA3 comes around.[/quote]

Ha, almost certainly!

[quote]Brockololly wrote...
As for that "mirrorimage" beyond the obvious thinking it may be Eluvian related, it could just be something to do with the Mirror of Transformation DLC maybe?[/quote]

I doubt it since it has the Merril "mrl" tag but I'm not getting excited about it. All the dlc items and whatnot have the premium "prm" tag in the filename. As ever, we shall hope for the best whilst maintaining a pessimistic facade.


[quote]Brockololly wrote...

I dare you to spoil the Varric plot in the Varric thread in the DA2 forums- I doubt you'd make it out alive.[/quote]

Heh, while I find the stark contrast in tone between the Morri thread and other companion threads to be amusing, I won't begrudge the other threads their joy just because we're stuck in perpetual misery .



[quote]Brockololly wrote...

We're really rather easy to please now that our expectations have been beaten to a bloody pulp and ground down into a fine paste[/quote]

Couldn't have put it better myself, still it seems easy enough to me to give us some continuity for a plot thread that deserves it and the other endings can retain their happy endings without issue. I've always been more interested in Morrigan's plot/romance anyway and how those elements tie into a larger plotline as it actually fits in with the supposed dark fantasy setting.

[quote]Brockololly wrote...

If you're all feeling especially masochistic, you can watch this horrific DA2 interview if you haven't already.[/quote]

Oh dear, another DA2 video that makes me sad. I can only echo the sentiments of yourself, Barbarossa and others in the relevant DA2 thread.


[quote]Brockololly wrote... 
Or if you don't hate yourself, bask in the glory of a fantasy RPG that seems to grasp how to hype people up and market itself without bashing its predecessor or resorting to bloated CGI movies!![/quote]

Skyrim does look nice and doesn't appear to suffer from the same inane marketing strategies we've been graced with for DA2, guaranteed mod support is a definite plus too. The new Deus Ex is also looking pretty nice and plays well too if the previews are to be believed.


[quote]Brockololly wrote... 

Ximena's DW is my canon Morrigan story now.....unless we end up getting Ximena'd instead of Gaider'd.[/quote]

Really, have you committed to that switch already Brock? There's a (small) chance we won't get plot hammered into oblivion and they won't handwave it all away. And I'd never forgive her for such an outrage.


[quote]ejoslin wrote...

There doesn't seem to be any buildup, and I hate not being able to talk to companions.  Jory and Daveth's death had far more impact on me than *spoiler*.  With every Origin, I actually gave a damn about the people I was leaving behind, and when possible headed back as soon as possible.  With this demo, I had fun, but I felt no attachment to anyone.[/quote]

I know it's just a demo but since they've gone with Awakening dialogue while out and about the whole thing just felt like a by the numbers affair, merely moving from battle to battle. On deaths, I agree they really don't have the intended effect and seem poorly placed if they're seeking to evoke an emotional response from the player. For all the bloodletting in combat, its strangely absent in the scene where you kill Aveline's husband.


[quote]Esbatty wrote...

Actually now that I think about it, maybe Kirkwall has an Eluvian stashed in it since the Tevinter Mages were using them to communicate? So maybe the artifact Isabella is after is an Eluvian and maybe Varric mentions to Cassandra what Hawke saw in it. This could to lead a "lonely looking woman" or a "mother and child" or even a "a family". Damn I'm gettin' teary eyed at just the idea itself.[/quote]
I fear any such notion would be immediately deemed myopic, viewed solely via a romantic lens, *insert additional assorted reasons why Morri-fans are wrong here*. <_<


[quote]MKDAWUSS wrote...

I wouldn't be all that surprised to hear a lack of Morrigan references in DA2, considering that by Hawke's 1st year inside Kirkwall, the Blight is over. By then, the Hero of Ferelden would be Warden-Commander of Amaranthine, and as we know, Morrigan was out of the picture during that time (although you might hear a mention or two based on how fast news travels). If Witch Hunt gets a mention (which I'm guessing takes place Year 2 or Year 3 in Kirkwall), it'll probably related to the Eluvian if anything, the rest was a bit local/personal, nothing of the sort that would be worth mentioning.[/quote]
I'm not too fussed about the lack of Morrigan in DA2, just a few references is fine. My concern is, as ever, that both her and all associated plot threads get decent screentime and resolution when she's back. We were already told that DA2 was setting things up for future events so it's not a problem, for now.


[quote]MKDAWUSS wrote...

Although I do hope to hear about the state of Ferelden - based on the Witch Hunt map descriptions, things seem to be shaping up for another civil war sans the Blight, seeing that rivalries seem to be building up between Redcliffe and Denerim (and possibly Vigil's Keep and Amaranthine).[/quote]Regarding Ferelden, there's plot files for werewolves, Bhelen and all that kinda stuff in the demo files, probably to be delivered via overheard conversations with town gossips, etc.


[quote]Brockololly wrote...

On that note, apparently in the German PC Games review they claim there is some great final boss fight yet the ending is a total cliffhanger with next to no resolution. However, the ending video/cutscene is a treat for Origins players.
Morrigan stepping out of Eluvian with OGB and Warden?
I've not read the review myself seeing as I don't know German, but I've seen a couple people now say that the ending has some treat for Origins players, despite ending on a cliffhanger.[/quote]
I believe Laidlaw said in his video the end of the game was a choice (I heard the opposite regarding the final boss but I've not been reading up on it due to rampant spoilers). Thus it will be the Morri thread's prime directive to repeat ad nauseum that BioWare cannot possibly follow up on said choice, cliffhanger or not. I'm reluctant to restart the hope train Brock, the wreckage from last time wasn't pretty, but a treat for Origins players...  No, they wouldn't do that, would they? Could it be a nice tie in with the Morri plotline, or more likely the comedic sight of a paralytic Alistair staggering down the street as the credits roll...

Or is it a marketing ploy to assuage fans of the original in the eleventh hour...

Got a link for one of these reviews that mentions Origins, Brock?


[quote]Brockololly wrote...
Hmmm... what would the reaction be if its just Morrigan without the Warden or OGB?
Sure, it may be cool to see Morrigan again (although no voice since no Claudia Black in the credits) but without the Warden? Hmmm- would certainly give us more doom and gloom fuel![/quote]It'd likely mark the start of another epic round of Gaider vs the Morri fandom, Brock Though I think they're well aware of our desires by this point, my standpoint remains the same - show us something onscreen. There are easy bones to throw to appease or they can go the extra mile and actually impress us.


[quote]Swoo wrote...
OTOH, it wouldn't be the first time they'd leave a voice actor (or an actor period) off any credits to save a surprise ending, hell, Kevin Spacey wasn't even listed for the first six months in anything you could find about Seven. Interesting...[/quote]
Interesting thought, a possibility I suppose... It would be interesting if this cliffhanger ending was tied into the Flemeth/Morri arc somehow. Didn't they state there are multiple endings, or is it the usual one ending. many small variants.


[quote]Swoo wrote...
I think the silent NPC is gone from all Bioware titles. They spent entirely too much time pumping it up with The Old Republic, and then Mass Effect (or vice versa), and then making the move to Dragon Age, I don't see them ever going back to it. It's an technique for 'old RPG's' that they have moved away from. If anything I would expect a new NPC in DA3, and if the Warden is around, and Hawke as well, they'd probably be relegated to NPC's and if lucky (very lucky) the Warden would have a voice set based on race and gender, but they'd probably claim that's too much work/money. So I'm doubtful. If the Warden comes back, I'd expect (s)he'd be mute thanks to a mysterious throat injury suffered during an ambush, almost ala the start of BGII (minus the mute part).[/quote]

I think if the warden returns they would be voiced due to BioWare's current love of VO, which does have its benefits I suppose. Sadly the way BioWare choose to implement things, said benefits are quickly outweighed by the negatives. They've borrowed so much from JRPGs for this outing I wish they'd just take the damn full text responses and be done with it.


[quote]Brockololly wrote...
But even if its just Morrigan, thats the still one massive loose end from Origins, whether you liked her or not, and the devs have said ad nauseum that they're not done with her story. And given how its supposed to be a bad cliffhanger ending, what better way than to just have some wide shot of the world at war, pan over to an Eluvian, then zoom in to the base of it, see the feet of somebody step out of the Eluvian, followed by a slow rise of the camera to reveal Morrigan looking out on the "changed" world - cut to black. [/quote]
Wouldn't we be raging if it was just Morri? 'Tis a nice image though nonetheless.


[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I am not sure how a multiple protagonist game would work. You mean something like Origins, where we pick the character we want to play? Could be done, but I'll be surprised if they'll have a silent protagonist and a voiced one at the same time.[/quote]It's been done before, many times in fact. Breath of Fire IV had silent & voiced protagonists (but everything was delivered in text format though - ps1 era .) XenoSaga/Suikoden III would be a slightly more contemporary examples. Largely a moot point though due to the current obsession with VO.


[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...
To be honest, I do not think the Warden will be back in any huge way. My primary concern now is to make his journey with Morrigan matter, specifically vis a vis the OGB, which is the only feasible way that I can think of, to continue the Warden's legacy. It might need to canonize the DR, and I think it should be done.[/quote]
I can only speak for myself but there would be no greater way for BioWare to underline how little it mattered (and by extension, your choices) than by downplaying/excluding the warden from any onscreen comeback in the Morrigan plot - it works directly against the player choice in WH. I've always said that were they only to bring back the romancing warden he'd be in a largely supporting role anyway, but for me he's got to be there onscreen if BioWare want to fully realise the latter half of choice and consequence. 

Many games have done similar things before to great effect with old allies/PCs from previous titles being enemies of a new protagonist in the sequel. If this no-canon thing is done right, it could be really good, but I feel that it's the little details as well as the big ones that will make the experience special.


[quote]Swoo wrote...
And I might not have been clear, I was barely awake in my earlier postings, but I was thinking more along the lines that if Hawke and the Warden were in DA3, they would be story NPCs. I could see Hawke being Flemeth's 'General', and the Warden being Morrigans...or Alistair...or Anora...(all depending on if they read Origins Kingly/LI decisions that far into the game), with you playing someone caught in the middle, and maybe interacting with one or both sparingly. [/quote]
^This, unless they decide to do something of note with the Awakening slide.

Bioware forums formatting hates me...

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 26 février 2011 - 07:58 .

[Alex Kershaw]

Here's a question - how old do you guys see Morrigan as? Most seem to see her as 25-29 but I see her as 21-24...

Modifié par Alex Kershaw, 26 février 2011 - 08:40 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Terra_Ex wrote...
I can only speak for myself but there would be no greater way for BioWare to underline how little it mattered (and by extension, your choices) than by downplaying/excluding the warden from any onscreen comeback in the Morrigan plot - it works directly against the player choice in WH. I've always said that were they only to bring back the romancing warden he'd be in a largely supporting role anyway, but for me he's got to be there onscreen if BioWare want to fully realise the latter half of choice and consequence.

Agreed.
Though I wouldn't like it too much if all my Warden ends up being is a supporting side kick to Morrigan, following in her wake and not doing much. Meh, it does not suit my character. But this would be better than nothing.

And this page is in need of a Morrigan pic



With a sexy smirk

[MKDAWUSS]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...
I can only speak for myself but there would be no greater way for BioWare to underline how little it mattered (and by extension, your choices) than by downplaying/excluding the warden from any onscreen comeback in the Morrigan plot - it works directly against the player choice in WH. I've always said that were they only to bring back the romancing warden he'd be in a largely supporting role anyway, but for me he's got to be there onscreen if BioWare want to fully realise the latter half of choice and consequence.

Agreed.
Though I wouldn't like it too much if all my Warden ends up being is a supporting side kick to Morrigan, following in her wake and not doing much. Meh, it does not suit my character. But this would be better than nothing.

And this page is in need of a Morrigan pic



With a sexy smirk

IDK, having the Warden in a supporting role wouldn't be that bad a change - Morrigan was in a supporting role for the Warden throughout Origins. The flexibility in roles could establish the notion that the two are equal partners.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I don't mind a supporting role, as long as the Warden is proactive and not just a minion being ordered about.

[Swoo]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

To be fair, Sony Online has multiple MMOs running at once.

You are correct mein freund, although I can't say with any certainty exactly how they were rolled out I seem to remember (perhaps incorrectly) that they waited until Everquest had reached it's end before rolling out multiples to combat WoW, and offering the Station Pass for the One Fee/Multiple Games. Good catch either way.

blademaster7 wrote...

Just a heads up. Don't raise any
expectations about Morrigan and the Warden for DA2 & 3. If you're
playing the game and all you do is wait for that reference/cameo to pop
up then you're gonna be disappointed.[/

Oh no man, I'd be playing it as it's own beast and judging it on that. Speculating on the end though has me interested, and I keep trying to think of it from the angle of 'Ok, Alistair fans...' (Or Zev, or Leliana, or ect..) and the only two things I keep coming to is either Morrigan shows up from her magical sabbatical, or Alistair shows up with a Denerim Plus sized posse ready to throw down.

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Here's a question - how old do you guys see Morrigan as? Most seem to see her as 25-29 but I see her as 21-24...

28-33. I see her as the older one, with Leliana being in that 21-25 range.

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Man, I totally missed this thread.
Swoo, I found some of your posts in the last few pages totally hilarious. Made my day.
 
But I don’t understand why you hate Carver so much. After playing the demo I really like him.
 
I also wrote my own impression of the demo but it’s not big as Brock’s. And I’ll admit I was ranting a bit.

Well, I am playing a Mage as my Hawke, so I will have plenty of time to be won over by him, but honestly it came down to two things - I can't stand his voice (I like Jowan in Origins (minority, I know), but I now understand exactly where everyone was coming from with that whine that made them want to hit the power button.), and I find his character model incredibly uninspired compared to any potential plot character or companion. But, I reserve the option to be proved wr-wr...not as correct as I thought in first assumption...and be won over by him. Right now though, he's Wynne 2.0 for me.

I'll check out the impression soon.

Terra_Ex wrote...

 or more likely the comedic sight of a paralytic Alistair staggering down the street as the credits roll...

You know, I've said it before - and with all respect to Alistair and his large contingent of fans - that I like that ending the best for him if there is a chance of follow-up because it allows a redemption story. The man who lost everything; Friends, Father-figure, Crown, Identity. Then he is snapped out of the funk and leads a massive host in defense of Ferelden against...whatever.

However, I wouldn't wish the ending on them with how out in the breeze we seem to be hanging, although it would be nice to have some huge back-up in the 'GDI Bioware, Grim doesn't mean make me hate the last forty hours in the last twenty seconds of the game!'.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't mind a supporting role, as long as the Warden is proactive and not just a minion being ordered about.

I just don't see the Warden, or Hawke, coming back as main characters in a Dragon Age game. They really seem to want to play the whole Dragon Quest/ect../ect.. role with this franchise with a mutating world and new characters that tie into the old characters and main story with each installment. It can work, and it has worked, I just have always held games like Baldur's Gate at the top of my list for the continuation and sense of ownership and investment it can bring.

[MKDAWUSS]

Swoo wrote...
You are correct mein freund, although I can't say with any certainty exactly how they were rolled out I seem to remember (perhaps incorrectly) that they waited until Everquest had reached it's end before rolling out multiples to combat WoW, and offering the Station Pass for the One Fee/Multiple Games. Good catch either way.

EA could offer a similar plan when it comes to payment options, but that doesn't necessarily cover the technical or literary aspects to it. I personally don't think (and I know this is premature to say this) that the Dragon Age story is quite ready for an MMO. Not to mention how lore heavy it is, an MMO would take a strong amount of dedication from the writers and development team to manage the world. Not to mention you'd most likely have to toss out any choices that we made in DAO and DA2 because not everyone made the same choices, and I'm not sure save imports would be really all that functional, so there might be some feeling of disconnect between DAMMO and DAO-DA2 (excluding geographical locations)

I just don't see the Warden, or Hawke, coming back as main characters in a Dragon Age game. They really seem to want to play the whole Dragon Quest/ect../ect.. role with this franchise with a mutating world and new characters that tie into the old characters and main story with each installment. It can work, and it has worked, I just have always held games like Baldur's Gate at the top of my list for the continuation and sense of ownership and investment it can bring.

Which is fine by me, but I thought the world at large needed to be set up a bit more before introducing characters and storylines independent from the established scene. By the time Star Wars started doing that, things were quite developed and established.

[gurp123]

Glorfindel709 wrote...

"You're not importing your Shepherd."

Are you effing kidding me? Warden. Not Shepherd. Warden. Not Shepherd. Bite me.

"Not going to a Dragon Mass Effect." Sure we're not. >.<

Yeah, I don't really understand how they can make that quote with a straight face. I just played the demo and it's remarkably and unfortunately close to what I expected. It sure looks like a Dragon Effect 2, and I get the same feeling I got with ME2. Namely, the game order is messed up and "2" should have come before "1." <_<

It seems that best case this turns out to be a detour and we get a proper Morrigan return in DA3, but I think it unlikely.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Swoo wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't mind a supporting role, as long as the Warden is proactive and not just a minion being ordered about.

I just don't see the Warden, or Hawke, coming back as main characters in a Dragon Age game. They really seem to want to play the whole Dragon Quest/ect../ect.. role with this franchise with a mutating world and new characters that tie into the old characters and main story with each installment. It can work, and it has worked, I just have always held games like Baldur's Gate at the top of my list for the continuation and sense of ownership and investment it can bring.

And I don't mind, as long as the Warden is at least somewhat proactive even as a supporting character. If all he is going to do is nod at Morrigan's every command, then I will dislike it. My character didn't follow her to the mirror to be a minion, but rather to influence her and the OGB, and be the voice of reason and moderation should it be necessary. 

[Mustang678]

Just speculation but I don't think what's-his-face is recounting Hawke's tale after the game is finished, but rather sometime during the middle

[revan11exile]

Say guys i was just thinking what the heck is Morrigan and the Warden going to eat in the mirror world?And what will Morrigan feed our Wardens kid because the only food i could think of is Morrigan breast feeding the kid? Wasn't there an pic on this thread about the Warden forgetting the milk it was pretty funny