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[Curlain]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
I just think it would be terribly lame for BioWare to sort of pull a GOTCHA! moment with Morrigan actually having been in cahoots with Flemeth all along. Thats kind of my problem with the Dark Ritual scene and Morrigan's motivations there: you knew she was up to something throughout the course of Origins, but you were given zero hints she wanted an OGB. So would BioWare do something similarly slippery in the future? Thats the problem with Morrigan and Flemeth really- we still have next to NO idea what they're goals/plans are, despite having spent a good amount of time with them in game.

While I share your concern to an extent, I am also concerned that they would now make Morrigan into an altruistic angel of hope vs the demon Flemeth. In otherwords, more black-white nonsense.

If there is a schism between the two, I hope it's more nuanced. And something more than just Morrigan being the "lesser of two evils" thing.

It could also be something that has become much more personal for Morrigan, whatever else the OGB is (assuming the follow that storyline), he is her son, and it could be that whatever plans Flemeth may have had for him, Morrigan is no longer ready to see her child go down that route, or at least in the manner Flemeth planned.

Consider Flemeth's plans reminds me allot of discussions involving Keira's plans (and her true nature) in KOTOR2, though of the two I think Keira (my favourite KOTOR2 character) remains even more mysterious and deeper then Flemeth (and one who's story unlike Flemeth's will sadly never be fully revealed)

[ximena]

Oh I see the Morri thread hasn't lost its shine and it's alive and kicking. I am gonna refrain from the discussion for the meantime since I have to run and get the last painting in my college life graded.

Anyway, I plan on streaming Morrigan goodness/DW page/s later in LS. My LS linkie

Might be around 11 pm GMT+8.

[TJPags]

Curlain wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
I just think it would be terribly lame for BioWare to sort of pull a GOTCHA! moment with Morrigan actually having been in cahoots with Flemeth all along. Thats kind of my problem with the Dark Ritual scene and Morrigan's motivations there: you knew she was up to something throughout the course of Origins, but you were given zero hints she wanted an OGB. So would BioWare do something similarly slippery in the future? Thats the problem with Morrigan and Flemeth really- we still have next to NO idea what they're goals/plans are, despite having spent a good amount of time with them in game.

While I share your concern to an extent, I am also concerned that they would now make Morrigan into an altruistic angel of hope vs the demon Flemeth. In otherwords, more black-white nonsense.

If there is a schism between the two, I hope it's more nuanced. And something more than just Morrigan being the "lesser of two evils" thing.

It could also be something that has become much more personal for Morrigan, whatever else the OGB is (assuming the follow that storyline), he is her son, and it could be that whatever plans Flemeth may have had for him, Morrigan is no longer ready to see her child go down that route, or at least in the manner Flemeth planned.

Consider Flemeth's plans reminds me allot of discussions involving Keira's plans (and her true nature) in KOTOR2, though of the two I think Keira (my favourite KOTOR2 character) remains even more mysterious and deeper then Flemeth (and one who's story unlike Flemeth's will sadly never be fully revealed)

I like the idea of it becoming more personal for Morri.  She clearly started developing a soft side, and we know she has a strong ruthless streak.  Her plan - if she had one - may devolve into nothing more than "let the child live his life".

[revan11exile]

Nice Ximena what is that song in the background i like it!

[KnightofPhoenix]

TJPags wrote...
I like the idea of it becoming more personal for Morri.  She clearly started developing a soft side, and we know she has a strong ruthless streak.  Her plan - if she had one - may devolve into nothing more than "let the child live his life".

She does say hwoever that "What I want...is not important now".
Which seems to indicate that it isn't personal, at least not solely. But rather that she needs to do whatever she needs to do, for some reason other than her personal feelings. At least I hope so.

[gurp123]

TJPags wrote...

Curlain wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Brockololly wrote...
I just think it would be terribly lame for BioWare to sort of pull a GOTCHA! moment with Morrigan actually having been in cahoots with Flemeth all along. Thats kind of my problem with the Dark Ritual scene and Morrigan's motivations there: you knew she was up to something throughout the course of Origins, but you were given zero hints she wanted an OGB. So would BioWare do something similarly slippery in the future? Thats the problem with Morrigan and Flemeth really- we still have next to NO idea what they're goals/plans are, despite having spent a good amount of time with them in game.

While I share your concern to an extent, I am also concerned that they would now make Morrigan into an altruistic angel of hope vs the demon Flemeth. In otherwords, more black-white nonsense.

If there is a schism between the two, I hope it's more nuanced. And something more than just Morrigan being the "lesser of two evils" thing.

It could also be something that has become much more personal for Morrigan, whatever else the OGB is (assuming the follow that storyline), he is her son, and it could be that whatever plans Flemeth may have had for him, Morrigan is no longer ready to see her child go down that route, or at least in the manner Flemeth planned.

Consider Flemeth's plans reminds me allot of discussions involving Keira's plans (and her true nature) in KOTOR2, though of the two I think Keira (my favourite KOTOR2 character) remains even more mysterious and deeper then Flemeth (and one who's story unlike Flemeth's will sadly never be fully revealed)

I like the idea of it becoming more personal for Morri.  She clearly started developing a soft side, and we know she has a strong ruthless streak.  Her plan - if she had one - may devolve into nothing more than "let the child live his life".

It could go so many different ways. Flemeth bad, Morrigan good. Flemeth and Morrigan both bad, or at least mercenary, so pick your poison. Bigger boobs on Flemeth will make that harder. Morrigan redeemed --yes, I'll bring that up again-- by her attachments to her son and warden and possibly forsaking some power to be with them would be the most satisfying to me. Morrigan played by Flemeth the entire time (my bet, although it's cliche). I could probably think of another half dozen in a few minutes. The question is how long will they take to resolve it?

[TJPags]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TJPags wrote...
I like the idea of it becoming more personal for Morri.  She clearly started developing a soft side, and we know she has a strong ruthless streak.  Her plan - if she had one - may devolve into nothing more than "let the child live his life".

She does say hwoever that "What I want...is not important now".
Which seems to indicate that it isn't personal, at least not solely. But rather that she needs to do whatever she needs to do, for some reason other than her personal feelings. At least I hope so.

You know, when I played WH most recently I took that line differently than I previously had.

My current take is that what she wants doesn't matter now - because of the child.  She may have chosen a different route, had she the choice, but now that the child is there, her desires have to be put on the back burner, and she has to do what's right for the child.

I don't know, it just seemed like she wanted to ask my Warden to stay, or to go with him, but feels it would be bad for the child.

Like I said  -  a soft side.

[KnightofPhoenix]

If she was so concerned about the kid, wouldn't it mean that his safety is at least part of what she wants?

But I realize it's nit-picking and it's an interesting interpretation. I saw it as her saying that if she had the choice, she wouldn't be involved in this and would rather live her life with the Warden (also a soft side), but she has more important things to do that supersede her desires.

[TJPags]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If she was so concerned about the kid, wouldn't it mean that his safety is at least part of what she wants?

But I realize it's nit-picking and it's an interesting interpretation. I saw it as her saying that if she had the choice, she wouldn't be involved in this and would rather live her life with the Warden (also a soft side), but she has more important things to do that supersede her desires.

She may think it's safer away from the Warden.

I mean, he does tend to get into dangerous situations. 

[Brockololly]

Hmm.. I always took that line in WH was that whatever it is Morrigan is doing, whatever her plan is, that its something way larger than herself; that its something BIG. And that whatever personal desires she may have had, most likely being with the Warden, if he romanced her, need to take a back seat. And part of her plan is preparing the Old God Baby for his destiny in whatever big "change" or big plan is to come.

And I think since Morrigan does not know what the future holds, or how her plan will turn out exactly, thats why she sort of tells the Warden it would be better if he stayed behind. Since when she gets all lovey and emotional with the Warden around, she maybe thinks it would be easier for her to keep a clear head and stay focused on her plan if the Warden stayed behind.

But in the end, she sort of breaks form and gives in to her emotions a bit and lets the Warden come along, to whatever end. And for the Warden, going through the Eluvian is pretty much fully committing to whatever Morrigan has planned- there is no turning back.

Modifié par Brockololly, 08 mars 2011 - 04:36 .

[Esbatty]

In my view, the mirror event was her biggest turning point. It was the end of her innocence and first true step into Flemeth's indoctrination. I think there might be a bit of a grudge there because she expresses the desire to love her Mother but can't because love is weakness to Flemeth, therefore if she showed Flemeth any love basically Flemeth would probably cut her off from her training and teachings because she'd be unworthy since she can't follow even the most basic of tenets.

But the event with the Mirror where Morrigan, for the first time, gets something for herself that she wanted by her own means. Because every other gift she's recieved from Flemeth or those other men, only gave her things in order to achieve their own ends with or through her. This was Flemeth's first inkling that Morrigan had the capacity to act on her own, this is what probably prompted Flemeth withold teaching her people skills. Because if her own reflection, from a mirror, could enchant her so what would stop her from connecting with other people and that lust for power would be far less enticing to Morrigan.

The Mirror Event is the genesis of the whole Morrigan and her drive to be, as Zevran puts it, the new "Witch of the Wilds". And oddly enough it makes me think that Flemeth wanted this for Morrigan. Flemeth has been around so long, seen what the world does and that keeps tearing itself apart and rebuilding itself, that Morrigan just might be the one thing that could put Flemeth out of her misery. All the while Flemeth is just f**king with Thedas, changes the social orders, and just reshaping it before Morrigan and whatever forces she can muster can put her down for good because "Without an end there can be no peace."

[Curlain]

Esbatty wrote...

In my view, the mirror event was her biggest turning point. It was the end of her innocence and first true step into Flemeth's indoctrination. I think there might be a bit of a grudge there because she expresses the desire to love her Mother but can't because love is weakness to Flemeth, therefore if she showed Flemeth any love basically Flemeth would probably cut her off from her training and teachings because she'd be unworthy since she can't follow even the most basic of tenets.

But the event with the Mirror where Morrigan, for the first time, gets something for herself that she wanted by her own means. Because every other gift she's recieved from Flemeth or those other men, only gave her things in order to achieve their own ends with or through her. This was Flemeth's first inkling that Morrigan had the capacity to act on her own, this is what probably prompted Flemeth withold teaching her people skills. Because if her own reflection, from a mirror, could enchant her so what would stop her from connecting with other people and that lust for power would be far less enticing to Morrigan.

The Mirror Event is the genesis of the whole Morrigan and her drive to be, as Zevran puts it, the new "Witch of the Wilds". And oddly enough it makes me think that Flemeth wanted this for Morrigan. Flemeth has been around so long, seen what the world does and that keeps tearing itself apart and rebuilding itself, that Morrigan just might be the one thing that could put Flemeth out of her misery. All the while Flemeth is just f**king with Thedas, changes the social orders, and just reshaping it before Morrigan and whatever forces she can muster can put her down for good because "Without an end there can be no peace."

Their relationship could function like a Sith Master and apprentice relationship, in that it's apprentice's duty to slay their master when they are powerful enough (if they ever are) to do so.  If they succeed they are worthy and if they fail they don't.  I don't think Flemeth and Morrigan's relationship might be as simple as this, but it might have aspects of this to it, Morrigan must earn her place as Flemeth's successor and Flemeth won't make it easier for her.

Though I still feel that whatever was going on before, by WH things Morrigan's plans had changed significantly, and I personally don't see her angling to become Flemeth's replacement anymore, but is moving to a different agenda

[MKDAWUSS]

ximena wrote...

Oh I see the Morri thread hasn't lost its
shine and it's alive and kicking. I am gonna refrain from the discussion
for the meantime since I have to run and get the last painting in my
college life graded.

Anyway, I plan on streaming Morrigan goodness/DW page/s later in LS. My LS linkie

Might be around 11 pm GMT+8.

This thread lose it's shine? HAH. I don't think that'll be happening for quite some time yet.

Brockololly wrote...

Hmm.. I always took that line in WH was that whatever it is Morrigan is doing, whatever her plan is, that its something way larger than herself; that its something BIG. And that whatever personal desires she may have had, most likely being with the Warden, if he romanced her, need to take a back seat. And part of her plan is preparing the Old God Baby for his destiny in whatever big "change" or big plan is to come.

And I think since Morrigan does not know what the future holds, or how her plan will turn out exactly, thats why she sort of tells the Warden it would be better if he stayed behind. Since when she gets all lovey and emotional with the Warden around, she maybe thinks it would be easier for her to keep a clear head and stay focused on her plan if the Warden stayed behind.

But in the end, she sort of breaks form and gives in to her emotions a bit and lets the Warden come along, to whatever end. And for the Warden, going through the Eluvian is pretty much fully committing to whatever Morrigan has planned- there is no turning back.

Well, one rumor I heard (dunno where it was from now) was that Flemeth wanted to use the Old God to breach the Black City. It's something that's entirely possible based on the events that's happened so far. The big monkey wrench would be the DR - if there's no DR, then there's no untainted Old God easily accessible and available. That's a choice that's already been made, and we would now be seeing everything else unfold, and you could be seeing a case where you have to go waaaaaaaay back (all the way back to Origins) if you want to see an alternative outcome. Now would be the rest of the pieces falling into place, and if you did the DR you'd get one ending and if you didn't you'd get another. If you wanna' talk about lasting consequences, there you go.

(May as well speculate until EA decides to send me my DA2 PO promo codes...)

Modifié par MKDAWUSS, 08 mars 2011 - 02:56 .

[Esbatty]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

ximena wrote...

Oh I see the Morri thread hasn't lost its
shine and it's alive and kicking. I am gonna refrain from the discussion
for the meantime since I have to run and get the last painting in my
college life graded.

Anyway, I plan on streaming Morrigan goodness/DW page/s later in LS. My LS linkie

Might be around 11 pm GMT+8.

This thread lose it's shine? HAH. I don't think that'll be happening for quite some time yet.

Brockololly wrote...

Hmm.. I always took that line in WH was that whatever it is Morrigan is doing, whatever her plan is, that its something way larger than herself; that its something BIG. And that whatever personal desires she may have had, most likely being with the Warden, if he romanced her, need to take a back seat. And part of her plan is preparing the Old God Baby for his destiny in whatever big "change" or big plan is to come.

And I think since Morrigan does not know what the future holds, or how her plan will turn out exactly, thats why she sort of tells the Warden it would be better if he stayed behind. Since when she gets all lovey and emotional with the Warden around, she maybe thinks it would be easier for her to keep a clear head and stay focused on her plan if the Warden stayed behind.

But in the end, she sort of breaks form and gives in to her emotions a bit and lets the Warden come along, to whatever end. And for the Warden, going through the Eluvian is pretty much fully committing to whatever Morrigan has planned- there is no turning back.

Well, one rumor I heard (dunno where it was from now) was that Flemeth wanted to use the Old God to breach the Black City. It's something that's entirely possible based on the events that's happened so far. The big monkey wrench would be the DR - if there's no DR, then there's no untainted Old God easily accessible and available. That's a choice that's already been made, and we would now be seeing everything else unfold, and you could be seeing a case where you have to go waaaaaaaay back (all the way back to Origins) if you want to see an alternative outcome. Now would be the rest of the pieces falling into place, and if you did the DR you'd get one ending and if you didn't you'd get another. If you wanna' talk about lasting consequences, there you go.

(May as well speculate until EA decides to send me my DA2 PO promo codes...)

See now thats good speculation there. Maybe, without the OGB existing they need to do something more drastic, instead of one very powerful being they need All the Damn Mages to get together, or at least as many as possible, to permanent sunder the Veil. Not a little tear, not small gouge, but motherlovin' breakin' the walls down. Once Thedas and The Fade are spilling into one another that would make it possible to use powerful magic to gain access to the Black City. So while the forces of Thedas are battling Abominations and Fade Spirits and Demons, this Mage group can do whatever they want to get to the Black City.

[Alex Kershaw]

From a 6 month old post, I saw this:

"Warden: I just want to know where this is going.

Morrigan: An odd question, is it not? What do you foresee? Marriage? Children? Shall we settle in the countryside, you paint the shed while I bake the bread? (VO note: sarcasm)

Warden: And what's so terrible about that?

Morrigan: Laughs Are you truly serious? (VO note: incredulous-- but also disconcerted, as the idea of the player being serious appeals more than she's comfortable with)

Or after Morrigan's "bread baking" line you can say this:

Warden: Do you really think I want those things?

Morrigan: Do you have something else in mind? You are the one who asked the question, as if there were somewhere for us to go. (VO note: annoyed)

Warden: If you don't want any of those things, then fine.

Morrigan: I did not say that, precisely. I... no, never mind. (VO note: almost talks about her feelings, then gets mad at herself and changes her mind)

Morrigan: You are a rather curious and frustrating man.Is what you already possess not enough? Must you always want more? (VO note: covering up her feelings by turning angry)"

How do you get this conversation? Why is this the only Google result when I search for it?

[Terra_Ex]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

From a 6 month old post, I saw this:

"Warden: I just want to know where this is going.

Morrigan: An odd question, is it not? What do you foresee? Marriage? Children? Shall we settle in the countryside, you paint the shed while I bake the bread? (VO note: sarcasm)

Warden: And what's so terrible about that?

Morrigan: Laughs Are you truly serious? (VO note: incredulous-- but also disconcerted, as the idea of the player being serious appeals more than she's comfortable with)

Or after Morrigan's "bread baking" line you can say this:

Warden: Do you really think I want those things?

Morrigan: Do you have something else in mind? You are the one who asked the question, as if there were somewhere for us to go. (VO note: annoyed)

Warden: If you don't want any of those things, then fine.

Morrigan: I did not say that, precisely. I... no, never mind. (VO note: almost talks about her feelings, then gets mad at herself and changes her mind)

Morrigan: You are a rather curious and frustrating man.Is what you already possess not enough? Must you always want more? (VO note: covering up her feelings by turning angry)"

How do you get this conversation? Why is this the only Google result when I search for it?

Be in an active romance with her. Sleep with Morrigan, then ask to "discuss us">"We've never talked about our nights together." You need to do it when she's not at "love" affection level though.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 08 mars 2011 - 09:09 .

[Swoo]

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...

[quote]Alex Kershaw wrote...

Morrigan: Laughs Are you truly serious? (VO note: incredulous-- but also disconcerted, as the idea of the player being serious appeals more than she's comfortable with)

[/quote]

I had never noticed that bit of information for the voice actor. That's surprising, I would have thought the very idea to be anathema to her character, not some sort of guilty fantasy.

[Glorfindel709]

One of the DA2 loading screens is of an elaborately carved mirror shattering and being consumed by a turbulent swirling blackness that looks like a Hurricane on the Doppler Radar with additional bands

I think it's the Eluvian...

Modifié par Glorfindel709, 09 mars 2011 - 02:05 .

[TheBlackBaron]

[quote]Swoo wrote...

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...

[quote]Alex Kershaw wrote...

Morrigan: Laughs Are you truly serious? (VO note: incredulous-- but also disconcerted, as the idea of the player being serious appeals more than she's comfortable with)

[/quote]

I had never noticed that bit of information for the voice actor. That's surprising, I would have thought the very idea to be anathema to her character, not some sort of guilty fantasy.

[/quote]

The VO notes that terra has revealed by digging through the world builder have always been very interesting. Really helps to bring forward and flesh out some of these little nuances of Morrigan's personality, even if looking at them is a bit like cheating (since none but the writers are really supposed to know ). 

They've also helped reveal certain things that have variously led to excitement and outrage in this thread. :innocent:

[MKDAWUSS]

Esbatty wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

ximena wrote...

Oh I see the Morri thread hasn't lost its
shine and it's alive and kicking. I am gonna refrain from the discussion
for the meantime since I have to run and get the last painting in my
college life graded.

Anyway, I plan on streaming Morrigan goodness/DW page/s later in LS. My LS linkie

Might be around 11 pm GMT+8.

This thread lose it's shine? HAH. I don't think that'll be happening for quite some time yet.

Brockololly wrote...

Hmm.. I always took that line in WH was that whatever it is Morrigan is doing, whatever her plan is, that its something way larger than herself; that its something BIG. And that whatever personal desires she may have had, most likely being with the Warden, if he romanced her, need to take a back seat. And part of her plan is preparing the Old God Baby for his destiny in whatever big "change" or big plan is to come.

And I think since Morrigan does not know what the future holds, or how her plan will turn out exactly, thats why she sort of tells the Warden it would be better if he stayed behind. Since when she gets all lovey and emotional with the Warden around, she maybe thinks it would be easier for her to keep a clear head and stay focused on her plan if the Warden stayed behind.

But in the end, she sort of breaks form and gives in to her emotions a bit and lets the Warden come along, to whatever end. And for the Warden, going through the Eluvian is pretty much fully committing to whatever Morrigan has planned- there is no turning back.

Well, one rumor I heard (dunno where it was from now) was that Flemeth wanted to use the Old God to breach the Black City. It's something that's entirely possible based on the events that's happened so far. The big monkey wrench would be the DR - if there's no DR, then there's no untainted Old God easily accessible and available. That's a choice that's already been made, and we would now be seeing everything else unfold, and you could be seeing a case where you have to go waaaaaaaay back (all the way back to Origins) if you want to see an alternative outcome. Now would be the rest of the pieces falling into place, and if you did the DR you'd get one ending and if you didn't you'd get another. If you wanna' talk about lasting consequences, there you go.

(May as well speculate until EA decides to send me my DA2 PO promo codes...)

See now thats good speculation there. Maybe, without the OGB existing they need to do something more drastic, instead of one very powerful being they need All the Damn Mages to get together, or at least as many as possible, to permanent sunder the Veil. Not a little tear, not small gouge, but motherlovin' breakin' the walls down. Once Thedas and The Fade are spilling into one another that would make it possible to use powerful magic to gain access to the Black City. So while the forces of Thedas are battling Abominations and Fade Spirits and Demons, this Mage group can do whatever they want to get to the Black City.

I was thinking that the purpose of the Mages-Chantry war in DA2 is to basically wipe them both off the face of Thedas. It would certainly play into Morrigan and Flemeth's agenda - neither care for the Circle OR the Chantry. This could lead to either one of a few things:

It could be a case of the two of them being the most powerful people in Thedas (no mages to top them, no Templars to stop them), or it could be a revolution for the apostate mages, finally giving them the freedom that they've been yearning for after all these centuries. That could be one possible conflict if it's a case of Flemeth vs. Morrigan.

Another case could be access to the Black City. Maybe the OGB has a certain role with that - if he's present the Black City could be breached and Morrigan and Flemeth end up being presented as heroic in the end; if not present, Thedas then warps into corruption, much like the Black City is in its current state. I think an Old God could be able to access the Black City, and potentially start to restore it. ...I don't know, I guess I'm having a hard time picturing an alternative to the variable that is the OGB.

[MKDAWUSS]

Esbatty wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

ximena wrote...

Oh I see the Morri thread hasn't lost its
shine and it's alive and kicking. I am gonna refrain from the discussion
for the meantime since I have to run and get the last painting in my
college life graded.

Anyway, I plan on streaming Morrigan goodness/DW page/s later in LS. My LS linkie

Might be around 11 pm GMT+8.

This thread lose it's shine? HAH. I don't think that'll be happening for quite some time yet.

Brockololly wrote...

Hmm.. I always took that line in WH was that whatever it is Morrigan is doing, whatever her plan is, that its something way larger than herself; that its something BIG. And that whatever personal desires she may have had, most likely being with the Warden, if he romanced her, need to take a back seat. And part of her plan is preparing the Old God Baby for his destiny in whatever big "change" or big plan is to come.

And I think since Morrigan does not know what the future holds, or how her plan will turn out exactly, thats why she sort of tells the Warden it would be better if he stayed behind. Since when she gets all lovey and emotional with the Warden around, she maybe thinks it would be easier for her to keep a clear head and stay focused on her plan if the Warden stayed behind.

But in the end, she sort of breaks form and gives in to her emotions a bit and lets the Warden come along, to whatever end. And for the Warden, going through the Eluvian is pretty much fully committing to whatever Morrigan has planned- there is no turning back.

Well, one rumor I heard (dunno where it was from now) was that Flemeth wanted to use the Old God to breach the Black City. It's something that's entirely possible based on the events that's happened so far. The big monkey wrench would be the DR - if there's no DR, then there's no untainted Old God easily accessible and available. That's a choice that's already been made, and we would now be seeing everything else unfold, and you could be seeing a case where you have to go waaaaaaaay back (all the way back to Origins) if you want to see an alternative outcome. Now would be the rest of the pieces falling into place, and if you did the DR you'd get one ending and if you didn't you'd get another. If you wanna' talk about lasting consequences, there you go.

(May as well speculate until EA decides to send me my DA2 PO promo codes...)

See now thats good speculation there. Maybe, without the OGB existing they need to do something more drastic, instead of one very powerful being they need All the Damn Mages to get together, or at least as many as possible, to permanent sunder the Veil. Not a little tear, not small gouge, but motherlovin' breakin' the walls down. Once Thedas and The Fade are spilling into one another that would make it possible to use powerful magic to gain access to the Black City. So while the forces of Thedas are battling Abominations and Fade Spirits and Demons, this Mage group can do whatever they want to get to the Black City.

I was thinking that the purpose of the Mages-Chantry war in DA2 is to basically wipe them both off the face of Thedas. It would certainly play into Morrigan and Flemeth's agenda - neither care for the Circle OR the Chantry. This could lead to either one of a few things:

It could be a case of the two of them being the most powerful people in Thedas (no mages to top them, no Templars to stop them), or it could be a revolution for the apostate mages, finally giving them the freedom that they've been yearning for after all these centuries. That could be one possible conflict if it's a case of Flemeth vs. Morrigan.

Another case could be access to the Black City. Maybe the OGB has a certain role with that - if he's present the Black City could be breached and Morrigan and Flemeth end up being presented as heroic in the end; if not present, Thedas then warps into corruption, much like the Black City is in its current state. I think an Old God could be able to access the Black City, and potentially start to restore it. ...I don't know, I guess I'm having a hard time picturing an alternative to the variable that is the OGB.

(If this becomes a multiple post, for some reason the server keeps logging me out...)

[Brockololly]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

(If this becomes a multiple post, for some reason the server keeps logging me out...)

Its logging everyone out I believe- haven't been able to stay logged in for more than a couple minutes.

My brief thoughts on DA2 thus far? DX11 performance is erratic as hell; I've already insulted Bethany unintentionally thanks to the dialogue wheel;*mild spoiler* Bodhan and Sandal both look hella strange; everyone has nubby teeth; when tesselation is turned on, people's feet sink into the ground; no more finishing moves, just people exploding BG2 style; and lastly, dammit man, I miss the Warden and Morrigan and Alistair and Leliana and Shale and Zevran and  the rest of the crew:crying:

Modifié par Brockololly, 09 mars 2011 - 04:38 .

[revan11exile]

Say did anybodies import to witch hunt go threw because my save mention nothing of Morrigan and the warden going in the mirror world but alot of people said theirs went threw?

[Swoo]

revan11exile wrote...

Say did anybodies import to witch hunt go threw because my save mention nothing of Morrigan and the warden going in the mirror world but alot of people said theirs went threw?

Make sure it's the Witch Hunt 1.1 version; It's usually one of the Auto-Saves titles 'The Nest' IIRC.

Mine went through without a hitch.

Speaking of importation, anyone noticing anything major about Awakening carrying over? I'm a little nervous that I'm missing out on tons of little bits since I didn't have time to get Awakening done on the mage. I did like how since my mage was an Amell, they brought it up that the Hero of Ferelden and Hawke are cousins.

I just don't want some stinking Orleasean getting cred for my Warden!

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...
 and lastly, dammit man, I miss the Warden and Morrigan and Alistair and Leliana and Shale and Zevran and  the rest of the crew:crying:

Yeah, I'm eating crow on that 'don't worry, they'll have amazing companions in DA2' comment so far. Everyones just kind of...there...but could totally be interchangable right now. Although the brother isn't as bad as I thought via the demo at all.

A major flaw has been found in the PC voice though...

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