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[Xilizhra]

Ah? Can you elaborate on why that might be so, especially mechanical reasons?

[Glorfindel709]

Well, the games romance engine was created to have two heterosexual options (Morrigan for straight male Wardens, Alistair for straight female Wardens) and two Bisexual options (Leliana and Zevran). A male Warden does not have the ability to romance Alistair without the use of modifers in game, jsut like a female warden does not have the ability to romance Morrigan without mods.

In regards to conversation, just her conversation about the dangers of men, her reaction to Leliana staring at her chest, bringing men to her bed, etc etc do not give any hint towards a woman in the hay loft, if you catch my meaning

[Brockololly]

Xilizhra wrote...

So, a question that isn't pertaining to DAII: would having Morrigan be interested in women as well as men be OOC? Or would it still fit her character (a female Warden never gets a chance to flirt with her, so technically it's never tested)?

Or, perhaps a better way of asking this is: does Equal Love make her act OOC?

Yeah, as mentioned, Morrigan is straight. When Leliana starts making mention of her chest, Morrigan doesn't care for it at all and she only makes mention of being with other men before. I just don't see it at all.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Spoilers

***Spoilers***

Yeah, that was an interesting conversation and as expected, stupid Hawke is Flemeth's pawn. It also seemed to set up the fact that Morrigan is sort of going rogue and possibly Flemeth's enemy, although, thats what Flemeth seems to expect. Kind of curious the bit where Flemeth insinuates being capable of being in 2 places at once- keeping part in the amulet and I'm guessing also back as the form the Warden dealt with?  I'm only starting act 2 in the game now, but I think that may be all we see of Flemeth...

***end spoilers***

Modifié par Brockololly, 10 mars 2011 - 07:50 .

[dearlyblvd]

I'm replaying DAO and there is something pissing me off.

My first playthrough was done back in 2009 and I finished the game in a relationship with Morrigan. I thought that I had done the dark ritual, but after checking my persona on BSN and loading my save to confirm, I discovered that I chose to deny the ritual.

While browsing the DA wikia, I saw this:

The choice made during this quest will affect the outcome and Epilogue. If Morrigan's offer is accepted, then, regardless of whom the ritual was performed with, the Warden will automatically strike the killing blow against the Archdemon and will survive. Otherwise they will die unless choosing another Grey Warden to perform the final blow, case in which that Warden (Secret Companion or Alistair) will die.

According to the codex, Loghan was executed at the Landsmeet and Alistair was crowned king. When I imported the save to Awakening, he reappeared as King Alistair. Considering that my Warden survived and I don't remember Alistair dying in battle, how this can be possible?

I also would like to know if anyone else romanced Morrigan and didn't complete the dark ritual. If so, what were your reasons?

Does denying the ritual breaks up the romance with her for Awakening/Witch Hunt?

Edit: Riordan sacrifices himself and saves the Warden/Alistair from their death?

Modifié par dearlyblvd, 10 mars 2011 - 04:27 .

[Morrigans God son]

Right...tell me if I missed something.
In DA2 was there any mention of the Morrigan romance?

[Glorfindel709]

Dearlyblvd, I turned down the Dark Ritual while romancing Morrigan in one play through for two reasons. A) My character was a dwarven noble who was extremely suspicious of magic and didnt like how the ritual sounded. Felt that he should die for killing his brother.

If you deny the ritual and have Alistair or Loghain kill himself, I'm pretty sure her approval took a huge dive and it broke her romance for Witch Hunt..

And no, Riordan had a Crowning Moment of Awesome/Dying before you get to the Archdemon

[Giggles_Manically]

You can still go through the Mirror with her... oddly enough.

[blademaster7]

dearlyblvd wrote...

According to the codex, Loghan was executed at the Landsmeet and Alistair was crowned king. When I imported the save to Awakening, he reappeared as King Alistair. Considering that my Warden survived and I don't remember Alistair dying in battle, how this can be possible?

Um, I'm not sure I understand your question here. Did you import a sacrifice ending? It doesn't work in Awakening. If you start with an Orlesian or try to import a non-supported save(or an early save with no plot flags) you will be given a default. The game basically chooses a "canon" for you(Alistair is the dedault king).

dearlyblvd wrote...
I also would like to know if anyone else romanced Morrigan and didn't complete the dark ritual. If so, what were your reasons?

I could write an essay about this, but then Barbarossa would show up and write an even bigger essay than me and then we will be discussing the DR for the next 100 pages, so I'll keep it short.

• Lack of information
• The way the DR treats romancing Wardens is completely retarded

dearlyblvd wrote...
Does denying the ritual breaks up the romance with her for Awakening/Witch Hunt?

Awakening will say you disappeared but WH will recognize the romance.

[dearlyblvd]

blademaster7 wrote...
Um, I'm not sure I understand your question here. Did you import a sacrifice ending? It doesn't work in Awakening. If you start with an Orlesian or try to import a non-supported save(or an early save with no plot flags) you will be given a default. The game basically chooses a "canon" for you(Alistair is the dedault king).

Edit: I indeed did the ultimate sacrifice in DAO and imported my save to DAA. I found more information about the subject here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/127/index/1648018

Now I'm even more disappointed, since I will have to play with an orlesian warden if I plan to do the ultimate sacrifice again. Of course I can still import the save to DAA, but it doesn't make any sense at all to revive the character without any deep explanation. I don't even know why I chose that option. I probably didn't remember which ending I chose.

Modifié par dearlyblvd, 11 mars 2011 - 08:08 .

[Brockololly]

Grrrrr......Surprising no one, Terra_Ex has uncovered that Morrigan's romance flags do NOT import properly to DA2. If you're on PC, you can check by enabling the developer console like Origins and run runscript zz_vault_debug to chck your world state flags.

Whether that makes any difference in the game I don't know and doubt, but even after the Witch Hunt debacle, her romance flags still didn't get imported properly. *grumbles*

Modifié par Brockololly, 12 mars 2011 - 01:21 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

*facepalm*. You'd think this would rank high in the "do not screw up more than we already have" list. But no.

BTW, did anyone get to hear Sandal mutter creepy words with an unusual voice in the estate, possible hinting at what is to come? I heard it once and I can't get him to say it again.

EDIT: hole smokes, he just said it now! Spoilers!

"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

That send shivers down my spine! Who does he mean by "he"? Hawke? Or Urthemiel our kid?
And is this flemeth's plan and the change that's  going to happen?
WTF are you Sandal??

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 mars 2011 - 01:34 .

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

*facepalm*. You'd think this would rank high in the "do not screw up more than we already have" list. But no.

BTW, did anyone get to hear Sandal mutter creepy words with an unusual voice in the estate, possible hinting at what is to come? I heard it once and I can't get him to say it again.

The WH flags import but not the romance flags from Origins, FWIW.

Hmmmm.. I don't think I've heard Sandal say anything weird. Just something like "I like pie.":P

Did you have to click on him or was it just some banter that auto-triggered?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Click on him. I just heard it. And I don't know why I can't change the font to grey.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 12 mars 2011 - 01:26 .

[Xilizhra]

So they don't import anyway...? Once I thought I'd need to romance Morrigan, even with mods, because Leliana's flags didn't import, but that's just a bug caused by Witch Hunt. Now I may need to go back the other way.

[Glorfindel709]

I was told by a Bioware employee that on the Xbox 360 there are no flags in DA 2 reading anything from DLC.

[Brockololly]

Well, it would seem that Zevran's romance flags and possibly the other LIs don't have their romance data from Origins import either. Again, I don't know if thats of note for DA2, but seeing as they imported wrong, it would seem they were imported for some reason, either for DA2 or in the future. Thats whats worrisome.

@Glorfindel- I saw that post- the WH flags import correctly, but yeah, it sort of confirms they have no purpose in DA2 as of yet. Saving them for DA3 most likely.

[Glorfindel709]

Thank the lord for that.... I'm so glad that we don't have to deal with the butchering of our beloved Swamp Witch

[Terra_Ex]

Do you have a link to this post Brock?

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
EDIT: hole smokes, he just said it now! Spoilers!

"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

That send shivers down my spine! Who does he mean by "he"? Hawke? Or Urthemiel our kid?
And is this flemeth's plan and the change that's  going to happen?
WTF are you Sandal??

OH ****

I'M PRETTY SURE HE'S TALKING ABOUT OLD GOD BABY.
ENCHANTMENT!

Yeah, it took me about 15 minutes of clicking on him to have him say that- should have taken screens.

Terra_Ex wrote...

Do you have a link to this post Brock?

It seems Luke Barrett has been posting a similar thing several places- here is one. Seems they know about the buggy Architect thing too.

Modifié par Brockololly, 12 mars 2011 - 03:24 .

[Barbarossa2010]

Brockololly wrote...



Grrrrr......Surprising no one, Terra_Ex has uncovered that Morrigan's romance flags do NOT import properly to DA2. If you're on PC, you can check by enabling the developer console like Origins and run runscript zz_vault_debug to chck your world state flags.

Whether that makes any difference in the game I don't know and doubt, but even after the Witch Hunt debacle, her romance flags still didn't get imported properly. *grumbles*

Well, well, well...seems like business as usual for the Morrigan thread.  No surprise there Brock.

[Esbatty]

I loved Anders' line about "2 Mages helped stop The Blight... one of them was even an Apostate!" So hell, Morrigan is now a"shining example" that not every mage is a blood mage out for themselves *giggle*

Also anyone else get the feeling that Morrigan and Merrill might get along on some level? Both are willing to do what they have do to get the job done, both are kind of not up to speed on their people skills, and both were kind of kicked out of their respective families. Okay, so maybe Merrill will annoy the sh*t out of Morrigan, but Merrill would probably be oblivious to this.

[ximena]

Esbatty wrote...
 Okay, so maybe Merrill will annoy the sh*t out of Morrigan, but Merrill would probably be oblivious to this.

THIS. HAHA. I can see it now. XD I think Morrigan would probably give up on Merrill when trying to explain some things. Or everytime. Or there would come a time she would just stop explaining.

"I tire of this prattle. Why am I even trying to explain?" Or something like that.

Merrill: I am blabbering.
Morrigan: You finally noticed.


Kekekeke.

[MKDAWUSS]

Brockololly wrote...
Grrrrr......Surprising no one, Terra_Ex has uncovered that Morrigan's romance flags do NOT import properly to DA2. If you're on PC, you can check by enabling the developer console like Origins and run runscript zz_vault_debug to chck your world state flags.

Whether that makes any difference in the game I don't know and doubt, but even after the Witch Hunt debacle, her romance flags still didn't get imported properly. *grumbles*

Well, being on PC I hopefully won't have to play through DA2 again - I think my first run is going to be my canon run. As of right now I just don't find it worth replaying. Decent game, but not on the level that Origins was.

If that was one of the bugs, I wonder if any post-Origins content transferred over correctly, because I didn't catch any specific Awakening references (unless I just happened to miss them)...

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...
Grrrrr......Surprising no one, Terra_Ex has uncovered that Morrigan's romance flags do NOT import properly to DA2. If you're on PC, you can check by enabling the developer console like Origins and run runscript zz_vault_debug to chck your world state flags.

Whether that makes any difference in the game I don't know and doubt, but even after the Witch Hunt debacle, her romance flags still didn't get imported properly. *grumbles*

A small update on this, the flags are imported correctly but the world state / vault debug script doesn't reflect it/correctly access it for some reason. Several other companions and a few other random flags are also affected, sort of like the WH fiasco. jenovan made a thread about it: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/300/index/6498551
Lack of a toolset/ no logging & invisible console text make it difficult to say what exactly is going on...

[Solica]

Well, I just did Witch Hunt, with my preferred (first) character, in a sort of final prep before installing DA II.
And I'm kinda disappointed. What the hell happened? I didn't romance her (non-lesbian fem char) but we were 100% friends and I did NOT deny her  (I sent Alistair to her). Even so, that is all Morrigan harps on about during the final conversation. And my own dialogue choices includes a lot of threatening alternatives. ???
I did manage to steer a friendly course through, but- I mean - What the H* is this?
EA-"quality" I'm sure.