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[blademaster7]

You guessed right. That's another bug.

If you ask her to teach you the specialization(approval 30+) she will refuse.

Here's what she says.

"This may extend to the teaching of my mother's skills, in time. For now, I simply do not know you well enough. I promise nothing."

How did we miss this?

[Brockololly]

Yeah I forgot all about the shapeshifting thing- I guess its just because i generally find shapeshifting worthless, which is too bad as it sounds like it should be cool.

[Terra_Ex]

Yeah, i just checked the toolset and the line "Possibly, if i had the desire to... I do not" is only supposed to trigger when she ISN'T friendly or above / interested in the player. 'Tis fixed now - she'll teach it to friendly and above wardens or those who she's interested in.

Yeah, vanilla shapeshifting is pretty useless, there's a nice mod on nexus that makes it worthwhile though.

It also looks like the line "Can you teach others to become shapeshifters" never disappears even after its successful so I'll fix that at the same time.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 26 avril 2010 - 06:54 .

[Shade of Wolf]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Shade of Wolf wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Shade of Wolf wrote...


Oh poor poor Morrigan...
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/8/index/385771
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/139657
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/47/index/324310
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/96/index/740053

I saw Blademaster post in one I think...random I know, just a familiar face lol... sort of.

Brace yourselves...
http://social.biowar...t_media_id=2161

OMG Shade ROFLMAO,

She looks like Marcus Fenix in GOW.

http://unrealitymag....08/11/fenix.jpg

Now that was funny.

Hey, you're actually right!!

I think maybe she looks a little more like Dom.

http://data.earthli....s_of_war_3.jpeg


In her present condition, she'd fit right in with this crew:

http://gamingbolt.co...ears-of-War.jpg

and be more at home here:

http://www.jeboscree...7MantleTime.jpg

and:

http://media.teamxbo.../1191473643.jpg

In fact this mod makes me want to fall in love with her all over again.  Sorry guys, just a little shameless game preference promotion.  And yes, I know, I'm retarded.

Good game though

[Shade of Wolf]

Brockololly wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...
Yeah, you'd have to be a pretty ruthless Shepard to turn on her in that scene, interesting mission overall though - wasn't impressed with shepard's dancing tho 
 

Oh come on! Shep is a dancing machine:P

Terra_Ex wrote...
I still can't decide which i hate more between planet scanning or the mako - would it have been so much trouble to actually come up with an enjoyable, non-tedious minigame of sorts to acquire the resources. ME2 falls down a bit here since you have to sit for periods searching out the "rich" planets, hit a few of those and you're sorted for a while at least.

I must be in the minority but I vastly preferred the Mako to planet scanning. At least on the PC, I have no idea how someone playing ME2 at Bioware could not have realized that planet scanning makes one want to blow their brains out. Its torture-even if you only go for the "rich" planets, it makes rune crafting in Awakening seem fun. The problem as I see it is that without the uncharted planets and the Mako, you lose the sense that you're out exploring a huge galaxy. The problems I had with the Mako were more to do with the crappy level designs for the uncharted worlds in ME1, not so much the vehicle itself. Get rid of the impossible to navigate terrain and cookie cutter compounds and that would have been fine for me. The planet scanning is just grinding- really, really boring (but unfortunately necessary) grinding.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Still have some things to do (IFF, Activation, etc) before committing to the Omega 4 Relay.  I will probably be triple checking everything for a day or two.  I feel it’s about to get ugly pretty quick.

I'll just say not to dally about once you hit a certain point in the game...kind of a Redcliffe type scenario.. thats all I'll say:whistle:

Terra_Ex wrote...
And on morrigan, did Sacred Ashes morrigan have the feathers on her shoulder? I personally prefer the final game version myself.

I like the Sacred Ashes Morrigan's outfit- it makes more sense in the cold weather than her standard robes. I think the face for Sacred Ashes Morrigan is more in line with the model Victorria Johnson's face but its got just enough of that uncanny valley vibe that it just looks off, especially whenever those Blur CGI characters open or move their mouths. It just looks unnatural when they try to talk.
I don't mind the Sacred Ashes Morrigan, but I prefer the in game version, she looks a bit more exotic and hot in the game whereas in the Sacred Ashes trailer Morrigan looks a bit creepier and like a goth-witch or something.

Sacred Ashes Morrigan is *gulp* ugly...(Everybody pounces on Shade of Wolf)

[Shade of Wolf]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Yeah, i just checked the toolset and the line "Possibly, if i had the desire to... I do not" is only supposed to trigger when she ISN'T friendly or above / interested in the player. 'Tis fixed now - she'll teach it to friendly and above wardens or those who she's interested in.

Yeah, vanilla shapeshifting is pretty useless, there's a nice mod on nexus that makes it worthwhile though.

It also looks like the line "Can you teach others to become shapeshifters" never disappears even after its successful so I'll fix that at the same time.

What?! You mean this is a mistake? It said in the official strategy guide that it had to be 30 or below to be taught!!

[Terra_Ex]

Shade of Wolf wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...

Yeah, i just checked the toolset and the line "Possibly, if i had the desire to... I do not" is only supposed to trigger when she ISN'T friendly or above / interested in the player. 'Tis fixed now - she'll teach it to friendly and above wardens or those who she's interested in.

Yeah, vanilla shapeshifting is pretty useless, there's a nice mod on nexus that makes it worthwhile though.

It also looks like the line "Can you teach others to become shapeshifters" never disappears even after its successful so I'll fix that at the same time.

What?! You mean this is a mistake? It said in the official strategy guide that it had to be 30 or below to be taught!!

Scripting comments left by the coders say otherwise and describe how it is SUPPOSED to operate (which is how I described it above). It's just one of a litany of implementation errors present in her dialog & script files. Don't forget - the stategy guide is written for the bugged version of the game, and thus the information is correct in that regard.

[Terra_Ex]

Addai67 wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...

Youtube vids of the restored scenes with fairly decent audio now available for console players:

I'm just curious, is that my PC?

Sorry, missed this post earlier.

Yes, Addai, it is indeed your PC

[RogueWriter3201]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Youtube vids of the restored scenes with fairly decent audio now available for console players:

Bringing Morrigan To Flemeth's hut


After dealing with Flemeth


After dealing with Flemeth - Flaming knives ~ kiss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxDl9yUDxTw

This is a Bit belated, but thank you so much for taking the time to post these vids.
It means a great deal to those of us who are sadly without the PC version. Again,
thank you for this and all the hard work from you and the others Modders.

[Addai]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Terra_Ex wrote...

Youtube vids of the restored scenes with fairly decent audio now available for console players:

I'm just curious, is that my PC?

Sorry, missed this post earlier.

Yes, Addai, it is indeed your PC

Yay!  He's hit the big time!  I'm so proud. 

I don't know how to make vids, so he'd never have gotten that far on my talents.  LOL

[Barbarossa2010]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Youtube vids of the restored scenes with fairly decent audio now available for console players:

Bringing Morrigan To Flemeth's hut


After dealing with Flemeth


After dealing with Flemeth - Flaming knives ~ kiss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxDl9yUDxTw

Thanks Terra_Ex, awesome, just awesome.  At least I can live vicariously through you all.  Okay I just set myself up again.

Anyway, finished ME2.  All survivors, romanced Tali (yes, I was shocked at that too), killed all organics at the collector base, but spared the facility for Illusive Man and everyone told me in the post game that that was a very risky (or flat-out bad ) decision (even Miranda!).

Wow! on the suicide mission.  I want to go play it all over again. Really liked the array of consequences and snap decision making (who does what).

At least half of Bioware is redeemed from that Dark Ritual fiasco (my opinion).

You know, yes DA is far more intricate and the characters are much more emotionally engaging for sure, but there is a lot to be said about being an intergalactic bad@.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 26 avril 2010 - 11:19 .

[Terra_Ex]

glenboy24 wrote...
This is a Bit belated, but thank you so much for taking the
time to post these vids.
It means a great deal to those of us who
are sadly without the PC version. Again,
thank you for this and all
the hard work from you and the others Modders.
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My pleasure, it's just a shame console players will likely never get to experience these scenes & fixes.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Thanks Terra_Ex, awesome, just awesome.  At least I can live vicariously through you all.  Okay I just set myself up again.

No problem, I thought you were considering making a move to the PC gaming arena?

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Anyway, finished ME2.  All survivors, romanced Tali (yes, I was shocked at that too), killed all organics at the collector base, but spared the facility for Illusive Man and everyone told me in the post game that that was a very risky (or flat-out bad ) decision (even Miranda!).

Yeah, I made the unfortunate decision not to head out immediately when your crew gets kidnapped (that sequence where you play as Joker was quite a nice diversion) and sadly Kelly (I think that's her name) didn't make it. I think Legion bit the dust during the Suicide mission too due to my poor decision in making Samara one of the leaders in the first section - need to go back and redo the whole thing when I get some time.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Wow! on the suicide mission.  I want to go play it all over again. Really liked the array of consequences and snap decision making (who does what).

Oh yeah, the suicide mission is one of the best endgames I've ever played - that Harbinger guy just keeps coming back through the whole thing while you've got the timers counting down - simply fantastic. Wasn't too impressed with a giant Terminator as the final boss though - Saren/Sovereign was better even if he was ridiculously agile and had godlike regen on his shields.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
At least half of Bioware is redeemed from that Dark Ritual fiasco
(my opinion).

You know, yes DA is far more intricate and the
characters are much more emotionally engaging for sure, but there is a
lot to be said about being an intergalactic bad@.

Well, lets hope for the best and pray that we reprise our role as the Warden in DA2 so we can pick up where we left off, lets also hope that time schedules don't compromise the quality of the product, especially if that release date really is for DA2...


Oh yeah... something pertaining to Morrigan - v106 is available, which fixes the shapeshifting teaching condition checks. This page needs some eye candy...

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 26 avril 2010 - 11:40 .

[Barbarossa2010]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Wow! on the suicide mission.  I want to go play it all over again. Really liked the array of consequences and snap decision making (who does what).

Oh yeah, the suicide mission is one of the best endgames I've ever played - that Harbinger guy just keeps coming back through the whole thing while you've got the timers counting down - simply fantastic. Wasn't too impressed with a giant Terminator as the final boss though - Saren/Sovereign was better even if he was ridiculously agile and had godlike regen on his shields.

Yeah, I felt the heat more than once. Kasumi was in the vents and yells she's burning alive and you still have a Harbinger possessed drone in front of you at full shields after slicing your way through a gauntlet of drones and none of your powers are cooled off, but somehow you make it.  Mixture of abominations and collectors added to the adventure of course.  Using adrenaline paid off big time, and yeah the final human reaper larva was not as cool (or fun) as Saren. But great, great endgame.  ME is good for that!  Really, really liked having the whole squad engaged at the end.  That was a new and pleasant twist.

On the romance, I didn't feel like I was cheating on Liara at all.  She was so indifferent at the meeting (on Ilium?) about Shepard dying and returning, it just felt way over.  She appeared to have long moved on.  No kiss, no long embrace, no holy hell you're alive, just: hi, how are you Shep? do these ridiculously stupid missions for me and see ya later.  But, I'm sure romancing Tali will come back and bite me in the a#$ for no damn good reason, distrustful as I am of BW and romances at this point.

Very satisfying ending.  A great game.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 27 avril 2010 - 12:04 .

[Terra_Ex]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Yeah, I felt the heat more than once. Kasumi was in the vents and yells she's burning alive and you still have a Harbinger possessed drone in front of you at full shields after slicing your way through a gauntlet of drones and none of your powers are cooled off, but somehow you make it.  Mixture of abominations and collectors added to the adventure of course.  Using adrenaline paid off big time, and yeah the final human reaper larva was not as cool (or fun) as Saren. But great, great endgame.  ME is good for that!  Really, really liked having the whole squad engaged at the end.  That was a new and pleasant twist.

On the romance, I didn't feel like I was cheating on Liara at all.  She was so indifferent at the meeting (on Ilium?) about Shepard dying and returning, it just felt way over.  She appeared to have long moved on.  No kiss, no long embrace, no holy hell you're alive, just: hi, how are you Shep? do these ridiculously stupid missions for me and see ya later.  But, I'm sure romancing Tali will come back and bite me in the a#$ for no damn good reason, distrustful as I am of BW and romances at this point.

Very satisfying ending.  A great game.

Hmmm.... interesting, yet could you not liken Liara's indifference towards Shepard in ME2 as a plot device to keep her safe for ME3 - I think I remember reading somewhere that ME1 love interests were kept out of harms way so they couldn't die in the suicide mission... As we touched upon earlier though, Liara seemed a bit "off" in all regards in ME2. Pretty sure you should have got a kiss from her is she was your LI from ME1. But, yeah, I'm sure there will be some nasty surprise in store, I'm  guessing her picture is face down on in shepard's room now

Yeah, like you, I also opted to leave the collector base to the Illusive Man as opposed to destroying it, not sure what consequences that'll have (if any.)

But yeah, it did surpass all my expectations - the fluidity of gameplay was miles ahead of ME1, hell I even thought Shepard looked better with those scars, might have to give it a third second playthrough at some point.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 27 avril 2010 - 01:09 .

[Brockololly]

Yeah, my primary Shep cheated on Ash with Miranda and blew up the Collector base. I was shocked on my initial playthrough because I was trying to be all super prepared before going through the Omega4 relay and of course that meant poor Kelly got liquefied. But playing through ME2 feels so quick compared to DAO that I've got playthroughs with just about every variable covered for ME3.



I really hope ME3 has drastically diverging consequences- I know ME2 is the middle chapter in Shep's story so they didn;t want to mess with the storyline too much, but I was disappointed how any of the major choices from ME1 resulted in cookie cutter conseqeunces- like how Wrex is pretty much replacable with the other Krogan or how Ash/Kaiden basically have the exact same lines when you run into them on Horizon.



I loved ME1 but I was getting pretty skeptical about ME2 until I saw that launch trailer... that trailer totally sold me- I still think its amazingly epic. If only DA2 could have an amazing trailer like that...

[Master Shiori]

Nice vids Terra.



Seems like Addai's Warden is getting famous

[Addai]

Master Shiori wrote...

Seems like Addai's Warden is getting famous

There are worse things to be famous for than for getting a fat smooch laid on you by Morrigan.

[elemme]

I think when you compare ME2 and DAO,  ME2 comes off simpler,  kick ass, take names, save the universe get the girl.  DAO is much more complicated but complicated is much harder to get right.  To have 70 hours of data on the pc and not use any of it to influence the choice in the DR is really too bad.  I felt like it really ruined my game and it did not have to.  I am messing with a second play through of DAO and there are so many conversations that could have been used to pick one good arguement for the DR rather than the 2 or 3 half assed ones we get.  I really think it is game designers job to get you to pick the DR (if that is the story they really want told) but at the same time you have to feel like it was the right choice and you made it.

[Barbarossa2010]

elemme wrote...

I think when you compare ME2 and DAO,  ME2 comes off simpler,  kick ass, take names, save the universe get the girl.  DAO is much more complicated but complicated is much harder to get right.  To have 70 hours of data on the pc and not use any of it to influence the choice in the DR is really too bad.  I felt like it really ruined my game and it did not have to.  I am messing with a second play through of DAO and there are so many conversations that could have been used to pick one good arguement for the DR rather than the 2 or 3 half assed ones we get.  I really think it is game designers job to get you to pick the DR (if that is the story they really want told) but at the same time you have to feel like it was the right choice and you made it.

BTW, I went through and read the thread you started.  I thought you did well and could have predicted that the DA apologists would descend on you as they did.  Some people will not tolerate an opposing opinion even though your rational thought process is every bit as valid as theirs.  It's just becomes a shouting match.  You ought to hang around here a bit more.  At least a few of us are vocal enough to state we are dissatisfied with a BW product for rational reasons in hope that the BW DA Team will hear and rectify the situation.  DA is a great game ruined by a contrived Ritual presentation.

I agree with you.

And yes, ME is just plain kick ass.  As I've told Terra_Ex, there's a lot to be said for playing the intergalactic bad ass.  If I'm going to be forced into contrived endings, I prefer to feel like a hero at the end, as opposed to a chump.

That's just me though.

[Terra_Ex]

Addai67 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Seems like Addai's Warden is getting famous

There are worse things to be famous for than for getting a fat smooch laid on you by Morrigan.

lol, indeed, Addai's warden has been getting all kinds of action of late, my wardens are generally stuck in various dungeons and are highly envious.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

BTW, I went through and read the thread you started.  I thought you did well and could have predicted that the DA apologists would descend on you as they did.  Some people will not tolerate an opposing opinion even though your rational thought process is every bit as valid as theirs.  It's just becomes a shouting match.  You ought to hang around here a bit more.  At least a few of us are vocal enough to state we are dissatisfied with a BW product for rational reasons in hope that the BW DA Team will hear and rectify the situation.  DA is a great game ruined by a contrived Ritual presentation.

I think that Gaider or another dev could have come out and said at a much earlier time (ie: when you first posted your feelings on the ending, which I recall he responded to) that the Dark Ritual was... abridged due to scheduling and it wasn't supposed to have transpired as it did. The first I heard of it was several months after your complaints and even then only by chance through Aimo's comic. Simply stating that earlier on would've done much to assuage Morri-fans end-game annoyance.

I'm assuming that had at least degree of acknowledgement of your romance with her been made during that scene, replete with additional dialog paths for a romancing/friendly warden, you would have felt like less of a chump?

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 27 avril 2010 - 08:00 .

[blademaster7]

In a nutshell, you spend your hard earned money on a game and invested 70+ hours of playing it and getting emotionally attached to the characters. You were supposed to be roleplaying but when you are presented with -what is arguably- the hardest decision in the game, you are stuck with your back against the wall without having the ability to actually.... ummm roleplay.



Welcome to the club.

[Barbarossa2010]

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...


Hmmm.... interesting, yet could you not liken Liara's indifference towards Shepard in ME2 as a plot device to keep her safe for ME3 - I think I remember reading somewhere that ME1 love interests were kept out of harms way so they couldn't die in the suicide mission... As we touched upon earlier though, Liara seemed a bit "off" in all regards in ME2. Pretty sure you should have got a kiss from her is she was your LI from ME1. But, yeah, I'm sure there will be some nasty surprise in store, I'm  guessing her picture is face down on in shepard's room now
[quote]

If there were a kiss, it was unremarkable enough to leave me underwhelmed.  I thought the voice acting was stiff and forced.  Just was a weird meeting between two characters who were supposedly "in love."  Not the first time I've felt that way in a BW romance. I understanding fencing off characters, but indifference and a business attitude on the part of the LI is not the way to go about that.  That usually points to something significant betweenYep, the picture is face down and shouldn't be there anyway imo, but what do I know?  I'll probably start another Shepard to innoculate him against the writers.


[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...
Yeah, like you, I also opted to leave the collector base to the Illusive Man as opposed to destroying it, not sure what consequences that'll have (if any.)

But yeah, it did surpass all my expectations - the fluidity of gameplay was miles ahead of ME1, hell I even thought Shepard looked better with those scars, might have to give it a third second playthrough at some point.
[/quote]

I thought it was interesting that, to a person (even Miranda!!!), they were skeptical of the decision.  Now that will be an interesting outcome. 

EDIT: Sorry did a bad job breaking up the post.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 27 avril 2010 - 08:21 .

[Tooneyman]

Does anyone have a youtube video showing morrigans LI card for Awakening. I would love to see it. Sense I messed up on the play through and I don't have time to go and do it again. ahhh!

[Terra_Ex]

Stolen from Blademaster's original post :

http://img204.images...10032214514.jpg

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 27 avril 2010 - 08:14 .