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[Brockololly]

Esbatty wrote...
[/b]If my Warden went through the Eluvian with Morrigan and she needs "time" how the hell can my Warden come back to Denerim after like less than 5 years? That must be one powerful OGB.

Morrigan: My love, t'would seem we've ran out of orange juice, 1% milk, nutella and pop tarts. Be a good Warden now and run into Denerim for some groceries.

Warden: *sigh* You just had to eat the last pop tart didn't you?

Morrigan: What? T'was not me, blame your son if you blame anyone.

*Warden grabs cloak and heads out towards interdimensional Eluvian portal*

Morrigan: *yelling* And pick up some more eyeshadow! The fancy purple kind from that Orlesian merchant!



And some nifty Morrigan art:


By: YesPleasse

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 mars 2011 - 05:34 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

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What do you guys think Morrigan would think of Anders and what he did at the end?
Would she respect him? Would she thinks he is being foolish, with no plan in his head and for allowing a spirit in him? Or would she be grateful for the opportunity he presented? Or a mixture of the above?

I'd like to think that Morrigan would sympathize a bit, but think that Anders was foolish and was just a tool in the larger scheme of things, nothing more. And that the one to bring about real change, is the OGB. And not just bomb happy mages.

I am worried that Morrigan would greatly approve in principle and not just instrumentally. Which I think would be OOC.



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Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 mars 2011 - 05:39 .

[Esbatty]

@Brock: I'd kill to hear that exchange, just Morrigan so familiar with the Warden that she has him running errands.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

SPOILERS!




What do you guys think Morrigan would think of Anders and what he did at the end?
Would she respect him? Would she thinks he is being foolish, with no plan in his head and for allowing a spirit in him? Or would she be grateful for the opportunity he presented? Or a mixture of the above?

I'd like to think that Morrigan would sympathize a bit, but think that Anders was foolish and was just a tool in the larger scheme of things, nothing more. And that the one to bring about real change, is the OGB. And not just bomb happy mages.

I am worried that Morrigan would greatly approve in principle and not just instrumentally. Which I think would be OOC.



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I don't know really. Considering how much they changed Anders' character I wonder if Morrigan whenever she comes back would be more militant like Anders or suffer some similar type character shift offscreen.

Its hard to say without knowing what her plans are- I don't think Morrigan would be one to stick her neck out for all mages like Anders did- that does not fit her style I don't think. Then again, in the DR scene and in WH, Morrigan acts like she is doing something larger than herself with the OGB, maybe something that may result in some negative outcome for her personally, what with the "What I want...is uninmportant now." line in WH.

I'd like to think that Morrigan's plans are larger than just a terrorist act like Anders did though and that whatever it is with the OGB would make the stuff Anders started look like child's play- which is sort of what Sandal's creepy prophecy sounded like.

Morrigan probably would think Anders a fool personally, both for letting Justice in, but she also might appreciate that he sort of got the ball rolling for her own personal plans, thinking of it as an opportunity nevertheless. I don't know that she would approve of bombing the Chantry per se- in that I don't think she enjoys bloodshed just for the sake of bloodshed or chaos.  I just have a hard time seeing her care really for the plight of the Circle Mages- look at how she reacts in the Circle Tower when the Right of Annulment is invoked there: she'd be fine with letting them all die for getting locked up there in the first place. But would she approve of them resorting to blood magic to try and free themselves? Or again, would she just not care and let both sides rip each other apart and wait it out so she can swoop in after both sides are bloody and bruised to sort of do as she pleases?



What got me wondering too, was with Merrill and her Eluvian- supposedly Merrill basically had to make a deal with a demon to get the thing working. To the extent that it worked, anyway. That makes me wonder what Morrigan had to do, since, as I recall, Morrigan said even getting the Eluvian working was "difficult." Now she had the Dalish book, so maybe there was something  in there, but is it possible Morrigan maybe went against her better judgement and made a deal with a demon to get the Eluvian working?

Something to ponder I guess.


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Modifié par Brockololly, 14 mars 2011 - 05:56 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...

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I don't know really. Considering how much they changed Anders' character I wonder if Morrigan whenever she comes back would be more militant like Anders or suffer some similar type character shift offscreen.

Its hard to say without knowing what her plans are- I don't think Morrigan would be one to stick her neck out for all mages like Anders did- that does not fit her style I don't think. Then again, in the DR scene and in WH, Morrigan acts like she is doing something larger than herself with the OGB, maybe something that may result in some negative outcome for her personally, what with the "What I want...is uninmportant now." line in WH.

I'd like to think that Morrigan's plans are larger than just a terrorist act like Anders did though and that whatever it is with the OGB would make the stuff Anders started look like child's play- which is sort of what Sandal's creepy prophecy sounded like. Morrigan probably would think Anders a fool personally, both for letting Justice in, but she also might appreciate that he sort of got the ball rolling for her own personal plans, thinking of it as an opportunity nevertheless.

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Exactly my thoughts Brock.

Yes, Morrigan is seemingly doing something more important than herself. But I think it's with a plan. And not just blowing stuff up and forcing a confrontation with no plan in mind. I don't think Morrigan would mind the act ethically speaking. But would see it as conveniently foolish.

That would also be the reaction I'd expect from Flemeth as well.

What got me wondering too, was with Merrill and her Eluvian- supposedly Merrill basically had to make a deal with a demon to get the thing working. To the extent that it worked, anyway. That makes me wonder what Morrigan had to do, since, as I recall, Morrigan said even getting the Eluvian working was "difficult." Now she had the Dalish book, so maybe there was something  in there, but is it possible Morrigan maybe went against her better judgement and made a deal with a demon to get the Eluvian working?

Something to ponder I guess.


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Yea, I wondered the same.

But I really doubt that Morrigan would willingly compromise her free will. Not when a lot is at stake, OGB potentially included. Morrigan might have used a demon, and then backstabbed it when it outlived its usefullness, but I do not think she would willingly allow herself to be possessed. Sher knows in Origins very well that dealing with demons is foolish.

We mustn't forget that Morrigan was taught magic by Flemeth, and could have potentially learned a lot more later. I think Morrigan surpasses any Dalish mage in power and knowledge. So I think it's possible she knew how to activate the Eluvian without a demon. 

It's also possible that Morrigan found the eluvian already intact and functional and didn't need help activating it. She just needed to find it. 



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Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 mars 2011 - 06:02 .

[Eumerin]

In Witch Hunt, Morrigan seems to imply that what she's doing is important (and not necessarily just for selfish reasons), with the implication that she's at least slightly aware of what's going to happen over the long-term.  As such, any judgement on Anders's actions are likely to be colored by her understanding of what is to come and the far-reaching implications of his act.

As a result, I don't think that we can really say either way what her response would be, since we don't know what's coming.

[SirShreK]

Brockololly wrote...

Unless you're taking Flemeth's "neither is she" to mean something that Morrigan is neither her daughter or enemy?

But there is some interesting specuation fodder in that conversation nevertheless.

Unless Flemeth is talking to herself than Hawke,  I would expect that She is saying that with the usual innuendo meaning: That she is neither, 

Thinking about it, what would disturb Morrigan most about Flemeth is that Flemeth IS morrigan. And somehow Morrigan wants that to be stopped from happening: 

If you see it this way: Morrighan'nan's story suddenly starts falling into some context. 

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Modifié par SirShreK, 14 mars 2011 - 09:48 .

[LobselVith8]

That's an interesting question, KOP.

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Would Morrigan focus on the means that brought it about, or the end result? One of her arguments against Circle mages in A Broken Circle is that they don't emancipate themselves from the Chantry, and act like "cattle," but now the Circles have broken free and even the Templars aren't following the Chantry's orders anymore. We have DA:O, where we could enslave souls to golems or perform a blood ritual with elves for the goal of empowering the Warden against the Blight and stopping the darkspawn, and I think Anders had the same mentality of ending mage slavery with no compromise toward that goal. The mages finally did what Morrigan thought they should have done in the first place. I'd imagine with the increased number of mages that's mentioned and Sandal's prophecy, Morrigan and Flemeth's plans might have something to do with this "change" in the status quo.

Given the implication that Hero and the Champion left for the reason, maybe Merrill finally got the Eluvian to work?

[Deventh]

Brockololly wrote...
BUT, if you slow that scene down as the book's pages flip closed, you do see some interesting things...

Like Morrigan! So Morrigan is in DA2, for all of 3 frames!

This is some nice find! Thank you, sir!

[KnightofPhoenix]

The ending of DA2 was a debacle. I really needed someone to slap the hype out of me before. 
Extremily dissapointing.

I explain my opinion here.

And what Brock just found might be the only positive thing about this ending.

[MKDAWUSS]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
The ending of DA2 was a debacle. I really needed someone to slap the hype out of me before. 
Extremily dissapointing.

Yeah, like I've mentioned before, if I'm going to do another run of DA2 at all, it's going to be when mods and patches fill the pool.

Compared with Origins, which I've played and replayed time and again.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I might replay the game and stop at Act 2.

[Xilizhra]

Do you think Morrigan should have been a blood mage instead of a shapeshifter at the beginning of the game? I do, because... one, blood magic is rather more important lorewise than shapeshifting; two, it fits her personality and entropic magical themes quite well; three, Shapeshifter is worthless as a specialty and I'd want to bring her around more if she was a blood mage.

[MKDAWUSS]

Xilizhra wrote...

Do you think Morrigan should have been a blood mage instead of a shapeshifter at the beginning of the game? I do, because... one, blood magic is rather more important lorewise than shapeshifting; two, it fits her personality and entropic magical themes quite well; three, Shapeshifter is worthless as a specialty and I'd want to bring her around more if she was a blood mage.

Shapeshifting does seem to be a big component of her magical abilities (although hardly ever using it in the story except to escape). The blood mage specialization does fit her character, and I probably would have given it to her, but I like armor-clad Morrigan (Wade's D-Bone Plate FTW!), so Arcane Warrior won.

[Brockololly]

Shapeshifting should have been a cool spec, but in vanilla DAO its just not that good. When I've sort of RP'd specs though I usually make Morrigan a blood mage. In Origins its pretty clear she knows blood magic- the DR basically is- but Morrigan doesn't care what people call it as its all magic to her.


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And with some mods, you can actually get Morrigan's hair and eyeshadow tatoo in the CC (and modify default Hawke's face):


But its hard to make the face structure, eyes, nose and lips similar- the mouth in particular as the lips are quite different than Origins, as Morrigan had the larger lower lip.

My hope for DA3 is that it seemingly has things setup similar to how KOTOR2 left off with Revan/The Exile. As I've said to Terra, a multiple protagonist approach in DA2 with Morrigan and OGB in there could be neat- if its implemented well and not rushed out the door like DA2.


Oh, and at Sundermount with Flemeth, does she have something different to say to each of the companions depending on who you take with you? I just tried it with Morrigan Hawke above, and she gave Carver a speech on regret which I don't recall when I did it with my Male warrior Hawke and had Bethany with me.


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Modifié par Brockololly, 15 mars 2011 - 02:51 .

[Giggles_Manically]

She talks to Anders about him knowing what spirits and abominations are very well.

[Esbatty]

Fenris has a sh*t attack about Flemeth being "not a mage/abomination/human at all".

[Giggles_Manically]

AH god I hate Fenris.

[Glorfindel709]

Same Giggles, I don't quest with him.

My 2 Mage, 2 Rogue party is working fantastically though...

[MKDAWUSS]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

AH god I hate Fenris.

I sent him off after his initial quest. Never got to know him, didn't miss him. He probably would have been a home dweller anyway.

[Esbatty]

Que?!?! Whats wrong with Fenris? He's pretty badass and he gets some awesome companion dialogue on the oddest damn quests. Take him with you when you go to Sundermount, Blackpowder Quest, and uhh... there is a couple more where his presence unlocks options you don't get with other companions.

Plus I get the distinct feeling Morrigan would find him to be very useful.

[Brockololly]

Esbatty wrote...
Plus I get the distinct feeling Morrigan would find him to be very useful.

Morrigan would rip Fenris and his emo "I'm a slave! I hate mages! They ruined my life! So full of RAGE and ANGST!" shtick apart.


I did like Fenris well enough though- not terribly interesting beyond being Lyrium Wolverine, but his personal specialization tree was pretty cool.

Modifié par Brockololly, 15 mars 2011 - 05:03 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I like Fenris, he was not bad. But yea, Morrigan would gteach him a thing or two about magic reigning supreme.

And your Morrigan is not bad Brock! I think a main difference with Origins though is the nose. Morrigan's nose is pointier, I think.

But let's face it, if they keep the same engine, I doubt they will be able to replicate this perfection

[Esbatty]

Brockololly wrote...

Esbatty wrote...
Plus I get the distinct feeling Morrigan would find him to be very useful.

Morrigan would rip Fenris and his emo "I'm a slave! I hate mages! They ruined my life! So full of RAGE and ANGST!" shtick apart.


I did like Fenris well enough though- not terribly interesting beyond being Lyrium Wolverine, but his personal specialization tree was pretty cool.

If you spare Fenris's sister during his last companion quest you find out he competed with other slaves to earn the slot to get the Lyrium tattoos to free his Sister and Mother from slavery. Morrigan would twist that around that he gained not only his loved ones' freedom but he also gained unimaginable power. Things she can relate to.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And your Morrigan is not bad Brock! I think a main difference with Origins though is the nose. Morrigan's nose is pointier, I think.

But let's face it, if they keep the same engine, I doubt they will be able to replicate this perfection

Yeah, I really don't like the face system in DA2. Its decent at getting slightly more expressive faces, but I swear the vast majority of the non-companion or major female NPCs all have the same general faces/face structure. And its annoying cuase everyone has roughly the same shaped nose/ chubby jawline that makes them look like blockheads.

And something is just "off" with the DA2 faces- maybe its the teeth or the texture of the skin looking too Botoxed up, but I think they're not as expressive or natural looking as DAO's mostly.

Hopefully one of their goals is to at least make sure they can replicate DAO characters better for DA3, as only Nathaniel and Cullen looked pretty accurate I thought. Leliana looked ok, but her nose was bigger and Alistair and Teagan looked dreadful.