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Master Shiori wrote...
As for the Study of Fifth Blight Volume 2, it describes how the Warden survived Ostagar and stopped the undead assaults on Redcliffe. I'm not sure if Morrigan is even mentioned in there at all.


Oh, I know, but given how that codex entry ends with Redcliffe and you never get anything describing the Landsmeet or the Denerim siege and possibly the fate of the Warden ( and thereby possibly a rumor of the DR or Morrigan romancing the  Warden) it seems possible that codex possibly should contain some romance reference but like so many other bugs, its an error of omission. So its yet another bug that isn't quite obvious its a bug given we don't know how things should be triggering.

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I agree that Bioware could do with a better graphic engine for it's DA games, but I doubt they'll change it again for DA3 since that would eat a good deal of their development schedule.


True enough, although I suppose that cuts to whether any possible DA3 is going to be as much of a rushed mess as DA2 or if they'll be given time to try and make a fully fleshed out sequel. Even if its your typical 2 year development window, by then we're talking 2013 and new consoles will be coming up and the existing DA engine can't even keep up with current RPG competition like Skyrim or The Witcher.

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I didn't think I would be part of that crew, but after finishing the Witcher, the problems with DA2's plot have become glaringly apparent (more than usual). The Witcher is almost better in every aspect. Characters were for the most part well developed. I initially thought the main antagonist, Jacques, was not going to be developed as he only shows up at the end. In other words I thought he was going to be another Meredith and some kind of comic book villain. Boy was I wrong, Jacques probably had the most character development in the game (and I got teary eyed at the end for him).

The conflict between the Order and Scoia'tael, I thought, was well built up and the choices of Geralt on who to side with actually matter for the future. We had two characters that we can interact and befriend who represent both factions, Siegfried and Yaevinn, both having their faults and positive traits (you can argue that Cullen was that but we don't really befriend him. The mages had no one like that). In DA2, you can't pick a side until Act 3 and it doesn't matter anyhow. In The Witcher, you deal with the conflict since Act 2. More directly and definitely in Act 3. And they made it realistic so that both sides (and neutrality, something DA2 doesn't have) have their pros and their cons. No insanity and idiotic idols and whatever. In DA2, both sides are ****ed up, the entire situation lacking nuance and subtelty. In the Witcher on the otherhand it was nuanced, ambiguous and mature (except for the mutants that are like zombies. That was meh. They should have been more "human", that would have made them more intimidating).

Structurally, the Witcher did start out slow, but kept building up. The plot and the intrigue got more and more interesting and complicated. It added more and more tension. IMO, it flawlessly led to the conclusion, which was epic. In DA2, the beginning was slow and boring. Act 2 was good, the beginning of Act 3 was decent and then it plummeted down faster than you can say "wtf".

The Witcher had its faults certainly. But I place it on the level of Origins, as my two favorite RPGs and games ever.

EDIT: oh and it did a cliffhanger right. I find myself wanting greatly to know what will happen to Geralt, whoi was the assassin, the story behind Jacques' visions...etc. So I can't wait for the Witcher 2.
On the other hand, I find myself not caring at all about Hawke's future. Actually no I'm wrong, I find myself not wanting to even play Hawke's future and want a completely different protagonist.

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Master Shiori wrote...
As for the Study of Fifth Blight Volume 2, it describes how the Warden survived Ostagar and stopped the undead assaults on Redcliffe. I'm not sure if Morrigan is even mentioned in there at all.


Oh, I know, but given how that codex entry ends with Redcliffe and you never get anything describing the Landsmeet or the Denerim siege and possibly the fate of the Warden ( and thereby possibly a rumor of the DR or Morrigan romancing the  Warden) it seems possible that codex possibly should contain some romance reference but like so many other bugs, its an error of omission. So its yet another bug that isn't quite obvious its a bug given we don't know how things should be triggering.


Some has posted the rest of volume 2 here, but it has nothing about the ritual or Morrigan. I've looked myself and didn't find anything about Morrigan.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I didn't think I would be part of that crew, but after finishing the Witcher, the problems with DA2's plot have become glaringly apparent (more than usual). The Witcher is almost better in every aspect. Characters were for the most part well developed. I initially thought the main antagonist, Jacques, was not going to be developed as he only shows up at the end. In other words I thought he was going to be another Meredith and some kind of comic book villain. Boy was I wrong, Jacques probably had the most character development in the game (and I got teary eyed at the end for him).


Yup- the twist with Jacques is handled very well in that the game never straight up tells you who he really is, but it gives you enough hints to tie everything together, including how Jacques stated views are similar to what Geralt can tell Alvin earlier in the game. And his last exchange with Geralt is great when Geralt pulls out the silver sword.


KnightofPhoenix wrote...
The Witcher had its faults certainly. But I place it on the level of Origins, as my two favorite RPGs and games ever.

Yeah, I never cared for the combat and TW has its faults- I probably like Origins more still- but I cut TW a bit more slack since its an independent game and CD Projekt's first game ever made.

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EDIT: oh and it did a cliffhanger right. I find myself wanting greatly to know what will happen to Geralt, whoi was the assassin, the story behind Jacques' visions...etc. So I can't wait for the Witcher 2.
On the other hand, I find myself not caring at all about Hawke's future. Actually no I'm wrong, I find myself not wanting to even play Hawke's future and want a completely different protagonist.


Agree- it wraps up the storyline of the game and gives just enough mystery at the end to keep you interested in what might come next without feeling like the ending was chopped off like DA2. And yes, I realy have no interest in seeing Hawke ever again- I just don't care.

And the great thing about The Witcher 2 is that it seemingly picks up right where The Witcher left off with the whole plotline of the assassin of kings. Just this trailer for TW2 gets me more excited than any marketing for DA has done.


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Some has posted the rest of volume 2 here, but it has nothing about the ritual or Morrigan. I've looked myself and didn't find anything about Morrigan.


Thanks- good to know. Stil I do wonder if there isn't possibly some reference in the game somewhere that maybe isn't firing due to how it would seem the game doesn't handle the import correctly.

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Brockololly wrote...
Yup- the twist with Jacques is handled very well in that the game never straight up tells you who he really is, but it gives you enough hints to tie everything together, including how Jacques stated views are similar to what Geralt can tell Alvin earlier in the game. And his last exchange with Geralt is great when Geralt pulls out the silver sword.


If the theory is true (and I believe it is), then Jacque not only had extensive character develpment, but Geralt was the one who helped him develop into what he became. That's really powerful.

I did wish that bonding with Alvin was handled better in Act IV. It was kind of meh having him following you everywhere. But other than that, it's a really powerful thing they did.


And the great thing about The Witcher 2 is that it seemingly picks up right where The Witcher left off with the whole plotline of the assassin of kings. Just this trailer for TW2 gets me more excited than any marketing for DA has done.


Wow, I haven't seen that trailer before. That's what I love! Politics and intrigue!
That trailer alone is worth a hell lot more than all the "awesome buttons" you can conjur up and all the other nonsense marketing.

And I am interested to see what will Radovid the Stern do. He only appeared twice in TW, and for some reason he made an impression on me and I like him.

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I liked the original WItcher game and most of the main characters there. But I never developed the kind of attachment that I have for Bioware's characters in DA:O and DA2.

As for the 3 paths that everyone seems to be praising; I never felt they were really special. Regardless of what faction you support, the game will play out the same. Choosing a side only affects who your allies are, not what will happen. Pretty much the same as in ME and DA games, except the interaction with the Order and the Socie'tel was handled better. Still, The game failed to make me care about either side, since Geralt didn't have a personal stake in the conflict past the need for allies against the Salamandra.
In DA2 I'm either a mage or have a mage sibling, so things are personal and I have a valid reason to get involved.

As for the cliffhanger ending, every DA game resolved it's current story. DA:O has you kill the Archdemon as was your goal and DA2 has you resolve the mage/templar conflict in Kirkwall.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Witcher had its faults certainly. But I place it on the level of Origins, as my two favorite RPGs and games ever.

EDIT: oh and it did a cliffhanger right. I find myself wanting greatly to know what will happen to Geralt, whoi was the assassin, the story behind Jacques' visions...etc. So I can't wait for the Witcher 2.



About the meaning of the visions, that´s an important plot of the books that has an open ending. As Jacques´ mindscape shows, the world is going towards an ice age in the distant future and some people who know about it want to get ready for that. The problem is that so far the plans to save the world have been so costly that it isn´t worth it.

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Brockololly wrote...

Mezzil wrote...
Some has posted the rest of volume 2 here, but it has nothing about the ritual or Morrigan. I've looked myself and didn't find anything about Morrigan.


Thanks- good to know. Stil I do wonder if there isn't possibly some reference in the game somewhere that maybe isn't firing due to how it would seem the game doesn't handle the import correctly.


A certain part of me thinks they probably went, "We gave you Witch Hunt, can't you just shut up and push awesome buttons with one of the new hotties!?"...thus no references to Morrigan/Warden.

Given the Leliana and Zevran import issues, that may be for the best.

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Still, The game failed to make me care about either side, since Geralt didn't have a personal stake in the conflict past the need for allies against the Salamandra.


And the game provides you with a path that can express this indifference : neutrality. But if Geralt sides with the Order for instance, one of the reasons why is that he may feel that despite his mutation, he is still human. If joined the Elves, he could feel that he is a mutant that will never be accepted by humans...etc. So yes, there is a personal stake in this and it's integrated in the "Identity" quest. It's up to you to forge Geralt's perception of the world and one valid perception is indifference, which is not a flaw as you are presenting it. And the epilogue does change quite a bit depending on what you chose. From details like how Jacques is percieved after his death, to the state of the kingdom and its internal politics (position of order, nonhumans, sorcerers).

As for the cliffhanger ending, every DA game resolved it's current story. DA:O has you kill the Archdemon as was your goal and DA2 has you resolve the mage/templar conflict in Kirkwall.


You don't resolve anything in DA2, the whole point is that the conflict is not resolved and it just started. Hawke did nothing in this, except be a lazy screw up.

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Structurally, the Witcher did start out slow, but kept building up. 


I sincerely hope it does because right now I'm finding it dreadful, although some of my issues aren't really gonna go away (dull voice acting, especially from Geralt, the combat, the stupid sex card thing and the women throwing themselves at Geralt).

Also, is this game supposed to run like ass? I had to lower my settings to medium-high as well as the resolution to keep a steady framerate (this on a PC that runs much more demanding games flawlessly).

And something Morri related, though I only partly understand it:

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I sincerely hope it does because right now I'm finding it dreadful, although some of my issues aren't really gonna go away (dull voice acting, especially from Geralt, the combat, the stupid sex card thing and the women throwing themselves at Geralt).


Geralt's VA suits his character and personality imo. But as for NPCs, they do improve, but don't expect the same kind of quality as that of Bioware games. Apparently, the VA excells in Polish.

The sex card thing is stupid, but doesn't really harm the general game, at least imo. You can for the most part avoid them. Witcher 2 won't have the same system.

Act 1 is long, but it does build up in Act 2 and 3.

Also, is this game supposed to run like ass? I had to lower my settings to medium-high as well as the resolution to keep a steady framerate (this on a PC that runs much more demanding games flawlessly).


Hmmm, I run it at maximum setting in everythign and it works flawlessly.

Keep in mind that the game is old and has a hard time working on Windows 7. But I still run it on maximum.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Geralt's VA suits his character and personality imo. But as for NPCs, they do improve, but don't expect the same kind of quality as that of Bioware games. Apparently, the VA excells in Polish.


Yeah, that makes sense (the good Polish VA I mean). I still can't get past Geralt's awful VA (for me at least).

Also, this will sound odd and probably a bit crazy, but TW has made me realize that I actually like paraphrasing. Reading the full text and then hearing it again... redundant.

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The sex card thing is stupid, but doesn't really harm the general game, at least imo. You can for the most part avoid them. Witcher 2 won't have the same system.


I assume as long as you don't follow up on flirting and that stuff it's avoidable, right? Still, having Triss go "oh, f*k me Geralt!" after that potion quest just fell ridiculous to me. And yes, I'm aware that they were apparently lovers before Geralt lost his mind. It still felt ridiculous.

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Hmmm, I run it at maximum setting in everythign and it works flawlessly.

Keep in mind that the game is old and has a hard time working on Windows 7. But I still run it on maximum.


Perhaps I'll just steal your PC instead... :P

To end on a positive note (I hate being too negative), I do like the environments quite a bit. And the music is REALLY nice.

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Zjarcal wrote...
Also, this will sound odd and probably a bit
crazy, but TW has made me realize that I actually like paraphrasing.
Reading the full text and then hearing it again... redundant.


I prefer this personally, because I would know exactly what he is going to say.
But both systems have their pros and cons.

What I do like is that Geralt has a lot of opportunity to express his perception and feelings and people actualy ask him. Something that Bioware games do not do as often or as well. Indeed, there is a whole quest called "Identity" that is about Geralt forming a new personality and you shaping his perception of the world and himself.

I assume as long as you don't follow up on flirting and that stuff it's avoidable, right? Still, having Triss go "oh, f*k me Geralt!" after that potion quest just fell ridiculous to me. And yes, I'm aware that they were apparently lovers before Geralt lost his mind. It still felt ridiculous.


It is ridiculous and it will get more ridiculous (dryads, vampires, Lady of the Lake, Princess Adda...etc). But you can avoid them for the most part. Women will still want Geralt to do them for little reason, but eh. That is probably one of the biggest flaws of the game (it did provide me with a few laughs, but it's the ridiculous kind of funny). It is mostly mature an dark, except when it comes to this.  That I agree on and I think it's bordering on sexism and misogyny. Thankfully the Witcher 2 won't  have this bs. 

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To end on a positive note (I hate being too negative), I do like the environments quite a bit. And the music is REALLY nice.


Act IV is gorgeous when it comes to environment imo.
I think you are going to start liking it in Act 2 and 3. I only got into it at the end of Act 1 personally.

Oh btw, did you install the patch? And if you want to download mods, I can recomend some to you.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And the game provides you with a path that can express this indifference : neutrality.


Which is what I picked in the end, since I felt it's the most appropriate one for a Witcher.


KnightofPhoenix wrote...



But if Geralt sides with the Order for instance, one of the reasons why is that he may feel that despite his mutation, he is still human. If joined the Elves, he could feel that he is a mutant that will never be accepted by humans...etc. So yes, there is a personal stake in this and it's integrated in the "Identity" quest. It's up to you to forge Geralt's perception of the world and one valid perception is indifference, which is not a flaw as you are presenting it.


Let's take siding with the Elves as example here.

I have regular interaction with them during the course of the game and they explain their problems and try to make me care about them (unsuccesfully). 
Yet, I never see the supposed oppression that these people suffer. Their district in Vizima looks the same as any human district. Apart from the group that attacked Zoltan, there is no example of violence or hate towards dwarves and elves.
The City Elf origin in DA:O did a great job at demonstrating what elves suffer in human society. Dwarf Origins also did a marvelous job at portraying the castes and political struggles in Orzammar.
DA2 shows you the danger that mages pose and the oppresive system that keeps them in check.

In Witcher I ended up neutral not because it felt like the best option, but because the other sides preached something that didn't match the reality around me, regardless of how much they claimed otherwise.

The above problems aside, I enjoyed the Witcher immensely and I'm looking forward to the sequal. It's just that the characters there didn't leave such a deep impression on me like the ones from DA:O and DA2 did. Though the story did have brilliant elements to it as you said.


KnightofPhoenix wrote...



And the epilogue does change quite a bit depending on what you chose. From details like how Jacques is percieved after his death, to the state of the kingdom and its internal politics (position of order, nonhumans, sorcerers).


Must be some bug with my version of the game, because I didn't get these epilogues. 

Is this information given to you by the narrator? When is it revelaed?

Also, I never got a proper closure to my romance with Triss. Is this also a bug?



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You don't resolve anything in DA2, the whole point is that the conflict is not resolved and it just started. Hawke did nothing in this, except be a lazy screw up.


I resolve the tale of Hawke's rise to power and see how the whole templar/mage conflict started. Hawke rose from peniless refugee to become a noble, saved the city from a Qunari attack and aided templars or mages in their struggle at the Gallows, killing Meredith and Orsino in the process. Heck, if you support the templars it's even said you were asked to become the viscount of Kirkwall.
So Hawke did plenty. Whether you'd consider his achievements important enough in the grand scheme of things is another matter.



Bah, let's not argue over it. :wizard:

We both agree it's a great game, so that's what matters.

Arguing with you guys just makes me feel bad. So let's all get back to Morri loving! 

Modifié par Master Shiori, 13 mai 2011 - 10:01 .


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Marketing for DA2 was bollocks.

Its much more about the mages vs. templars then about Hawke.

Hawke is just the set of eyes we are given to watch the start of it.
I treat DA2 more like a documentary I am watching then an real heroes story.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Marketing for DA2 was bollocks.

Its much more about the mages vs. templars then about Hawke.

Hawke is just the set of eyes we are given to watch the start of it.
I treat DA2 more like a documentary I am watching then an real heroes story.


I'd say marketing for DA products in general is bollocks.

I'm not sure what those guys in marketing dept. are smoking, but they sure go overboard as the result of it. :?

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AWESOME BUTTON!

I ignore marketing and skip right to the reviews.
Which is why I am playing: BATMAN ARKHAM ASYLUM!

NOW THAT is a well done game.

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It is ridiculous and it will get more ridiculous (dryads, vampires, Lady of the Lake, Princess Adda...etc). But you can avoid them for the most part. Women will still want Geralt to do them for little reason, but eh. That is probably one of the biggest flaws of the game (it did provide me with a few laughs, but it's the ridiculous kind of funny). It is mostly mature an dark, except when it comes to this.  That I agree on and I think it's bordering on sexism and misogyny. Thankfully the Witcher 2 won't  have this bs. 

Dryads, vampires, lady of the lake... it's almost starting to sound like some hentai stuff I've stumbled upon. :pinched:

I suppose one can look on the comical side of it too. I'll try to look at it that way, if only to be able to laugh at the ridiculousness.

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What, you weren't aware that it was all part of my master plan to get a free kickass PC? :D


Act IV is gorgeous when it comes to environment imo.
I think you are going to start liking it in Act 2 and 3. I only got into it at the end of Act 1 personally.

Oh btw, did you install the patch? And if you want to download mods, I can recomend some to you.


Yeah, this isn't the first time I've found a game boring at first only to really like it later. I remember I felt the same way about Painkiller a few years ago. I'll keep going nonetheless and try to overlook the stuff I don't like.

Oh, and I haven't installed any patch but I have the Steam version so it should have automatically patched itself. I'm all up for mod recommendations, though.

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Master Shiori wrote...
Yet, I never see the supposed oppression that these people suffer.


I agree compeltely and that's something I and Costin talked about. The game does not show it as well as it should have. There are hints and pieces, but it doesn't *show* it, until later (like Act IV and Act V).

But, I felt that the interactions with the characters, in this case Yaevinn, far surpasses the virtual nothing we got in DA2 with Meredith and Orsino. So I personally felt much mroe connection and sympathy to Yaevinn, despite siding with the Order, than I did to MEredith or Orsino. Especially when they end up becoming lunatic monsters.


The above problems aside, I enjoyed the Witcher immensely and I'm looking forward to the sequal. It's just that the characters there didn't leave such a deep impression on me like the ones from DA:O and DA2 did. Though the story did have brilliant elements to it as you said.


I personally felt DA:O characters left a stronger impression, but I can't think of a DA2 character that interested me that much. I would say the Arishok, but I am more interested in the Qunari than him personally. 
Companions like Varric and Anders maybe, but no NPC left any strong impression on me.


Must be some bug with my version of the game, because I didn't get these epilogues. 

Is this information given to you by the narrator? When is it revelaed?


Dandelion is supposed to narrate them. It's revealed at the very end, before the end cutscene.

Also, I never got a proper closure to my romance with Triss. Is this also a bug?


Well you can tell her whether you love her or not. But I am assumign taht the relationship can continue in Witcher 2, since it's set immediately after. So they can't provide complete closure if it's supposed to be continued.



I resolve the tale of Hawke's rise to power and see how the whole templar/mage conflict started. Hawke rose from peniless refugee to become a noble, saved the city from a Qunari attack and aided templars or mages in their struggle at the Gallows, killing Meredith and Orsino in the process. Heck, if you support the templars it's even said you were asked to become the viscount of Kirkwall.
So Hawke did plenty. Whether you'd consider his achievements important enough in the grand scheme of things is another matter.


There is no rise to power. No rise to power can ever be accomplished by just killing and Hawke does nothing except that. There is a rise to fame, sure. By just killing. But what we have is Hawke sitting on his ass doing nothing for 3 years while he had the power to do so, only gets involved in the conflict when it's too late and gets dragged down into a mess that he can't resolve.

The conflict would have transpired and gone exactly like it did without Hawke. Even if he sides with mages, most end up dead and they lose. So the Templars win either way, at least tactically. In Thedas, the revolts happen regardless of what Hawke does. His entire presence is inconsequential in the story. Anders doesn't even need Hawke to do what he did. 

And the Viscount ending is pointless and serves no purpose in the story when he is supposed to disapear a few days later.

So at the end of the day, Hawke did nothing more than kill waves of enemies, didn't have to use his brain once, took on an unofficial symbolic title, sat on his ass for 3 years not doing anything, got dragged into a conflict he failed to resolve, and then disapears while the world is heading to war. And his presence was not even necessary, except for the idiotic idea of the idol, which they figured was the best way to make Hawke relevent. Essentially by accident.

So beyond constant slaughter that the Hulk can do a 100 times better, Hawke did nothing relevent and impressive.

EDIT: Didn't see your edit.
After playing the Witcher, I have to  vent about my severe dislike of Hawke, I am sorry :(

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Zjarcal wrote...

Dryads, vampires, lady of the lake... it's almost starting to sound like some hentai stuff I've stumbled upon. :pinched:


Zjar, if I die of laughter, I'm blaming you. Just so we're clear. :lol:

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Zjarcal wrote...
Dryads, vampires, lady of the lake... it's almost starting to sound like some hentai stuff I've stumbled upon. :pinched:

I suppose one can look on the comical side of it too. I'll try to look at it that way, if only to be able to laugh at the ridiculousness.


That's what I did, I found it hilarious.

I loled whern the Lady of the Lake started implying that the "Fisher king" is actually better in bed than Geralt. LOL Awkward and awesome. And she even says that Geralt probabyl thinks he's the best and biggest haha

What, you weren't aware that it was all part of my master plan to get a free kickass PC? :D


I figured, hence why I installed electric fenses around it :lol:


Oh, and I haven't installed any patch but I have the Steam version so it should have automatically patched itself. I'm all up for mod recommendations, though.


I'll pm them to you :)

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...


I personally felt DA:O characters left a stronger impression, but I can't think of a DA2 character that interested me that much. I would say the Arishok, but I am more interested in the Qunari than him personally. 
Companions like Varric and Anders maybe, but no NPC left any strong impression on me.


Fair enough.

I find it easy to like Bioware's characters in general. Not sure why exactly. Might be that the way they're written simply "clicks" with me on some level.

But I find it easy to get into their stories and to either love them or hate them.



KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Dandelion is supposed to narrate them. It's revealed at the very end, before the end cutscene.


In that case it's definitely a bug since they didn't play for me. Will reinstall the WItcher and play again.



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Well you can tell her whether you love her or not. But I am assumign taht the relationship can continue in Witcher 2, since it's set immediately after. So they can't provide complete closure if it's supposed to be continued.


The relationship seemed to develop nicely until the Battle of Old Vizima, when Triss simply said something akin to "I'm glad that you're safe" and then nothing. 
It's as if the relationship between her and Geralt went from intimate to all business like.



KnightofPhoenix wrote...



EDIT: Didn't see your edit.
After playing the Witcher, I have to  vent about my severe dislike of Hawke, I am sorry :(


No worries. :)

I understand if DA2 didn't appeal to you. It did to me, but we both probably have different standards regarding games.

Good to know we agree on DA:O and the Witcher though. B)


P.S. 

I posted a comment on your blog about Arcturus' vision for Ferelden. Feel free to let me know what you think.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 13 mai 2011 - 10:30 .


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KnightofPhoenix

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Master Shiori wrote...
In that case it's definitely a bug since they didn't play for me. Will reinstall the WItcher and play again.



Hmm curious. You can check them up on youtube.


The relationship seemed to develop nicely until the Battle of Old Vizima, when Triss simply said something akin to "I'm glad that you're safe" and then nothing. 
It's as if the relationship between her and Geralt went from intimate to all business like.



She does have something to say in the epilogue I think. But like I said, the story continues immediately after, so you can't really have a complete closure.

But for the most part, I agree that the romance in The Witcher are not as good as DA games, including DA2. 


No worries. :)

I understand if DA2 didn't appeal to you. It did to me, but we both probably have different standards regarding games.

Good to know we agree on DA:O and the Witcher though. B)


Indeed :)
And sorry if I sound like an ass.


P.S. 

I posted a comment on your blog about Arcturus' vision for Ferelden. Feel free to let me know what you think.


Oh I'll check it out!

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Even more Morrigan art!

[Snip]

If that's all the cooking you can do Morrigan, then we're screwed in mirror land.

Image IPB

Hot...

@ the Morrigan vs Flemeth art. It's really neat, and I wouldn't mind a change in her outfit. Just her face. I think I am literally allergic to Morrigan face mods. I always end up having this weird disgusted facial expression.

And the pic seems to make crows / ravens Morrigan's symbol (as ooposed to Flemeth's dragon)?

Eh, I've always felt Morrigan was like a cat personally

[snip]


Image IPB That middle pic is awesome! Image IPB (the one I left unsnipped)

*stares at for half an hour*


Wow. What an awesome piece of art! That's our girl.

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Jarlof Seoul wrote...

UFOash wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Image IPB

Hot...
 


Image IPB That middle pic is awesome! Image IPB (the one I left unsnipped)

*stares at for half an hour*


Wow. What an awesome piece of art! That's our girl.


You wish you were the staff too hmmm? B)