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[Brockololly]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Can anyone help explain how the Morrigan romance works? The first time I played through the game I romanced Morrigan when she started talking to me about friendship and then she asked me if there could be something more. What's triggers the difference between that one and the one where she propositions the Warden earlier on? Is it doing her quest with Flemeth before her reputation gets high enough? Because she never asked me for casual sex in either of my first 2 playthroughs.

Hmmm...I think its limited to your approval mostly, so that when you hit a certain level initiating the romance will play out differently. So if you're at "friend" status she might drop in certain lines where you can formally initate the romance. Whereas, I think you only get the "friend" romance start if you turned down her "Its cold in my tent..." line earlier on.

But if you missed that line, it could just be that her approval shot up for whatever reason before you had talked with her last and you missed the "Its cold in my tent" line that way, as her approval spiked once you went to talk to her and it goes straight to the friendship romance lines.

Moral of the story would be to just talk to Morrigan a lot!


And some more Hooded Morrigan for the top of the page:

Modifié par Brockololly, 22 juillet 2011 - 08:13 .

[Who is that Masked Man]

The Morrigan romance can be started in a couple of ways. If you start flirting with her in her earliest conversations ("You can probe me anytime," etc.) and build up her approval enough, you'll get her "It's cold in my tent..." scene pretty early on.

You can tell when you're on the romance track because her greeting upon initiating conversation with her changes. If she's greeting you with a listless "What do you want of me?" or a chipper "I am at your command," then you are in friendship mode, not romance. If you've successfully begun a romance with her, her greeting upon opening a conversation is a vaguely flirty-sounding "Yes...?"

Long story short: the reason Morrigan never suggested you hop in the sack with her for some casual sex is simply because you had not been romancing her. As far as she (and the game) knew, you weren't interested. But once you save her from Flemeth, Morrigan is sufficiently impressed with your Warden that she makes a pass at you anyway, basically beginning the romance herself.

Unless of course your character is already romantically involved with another NPC, in which case Morrigan will say that she understands and let the subject drop.

[UFOash]

When Morrigan asked about the romance after I killed Flemeth, I said "Maybe, under the right circumstances". Then it all got ballsed up and I couldn't romance her

Still mad about that one.
Especially since you can't start a romance with her at any other point (which was my only real reason for doing Witch Hunt).
When Morrigan was like "So why did you come all this way exactly? " there should have been a "Cause I secretly love you" option  

All the other answers were lame and I wasn't suprised Morrigan was just like "Right.. you came all the way across Ferelden, killed Abominations, Dragons and Darkspawn to find me because we were friends.."

[Brockololly]

Nice Morrigan art:



By: Melonehalf

[Brockololly]

Very cool Sacred Ashes looking Morrigan art:



By: PosionousFox

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ah Morrigan. Possibly the only thing that is keeping some sliver of interest in this series.
One of the things I regret the most.

[Tirfan]

^ Pretty much the same here, Morrigan is why I still do keep some interest in the series & any revelations about Old Gods, I want to know what I signed up on when I did the Dark Ritual.. Though I'm not exactly sure whether I should be interested or afraid of on how Morrigan-plotline is handled... My trust in Biowares writing team has plummeted to nearly non-existence.

[RifuloftheWest]

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Unless of course your character is already romantically involved with another NPC, in which case Morrigan will say that she understands and let the subject drop.

I just wanted to clarify this point: So if I'm on the friendship path with Morrigan, save her from Flemeth, and involved with say Leliana - the option to start a romance with Morrigan during that particular conversation will not be available?

In all of my Morrigan romance playthroughs, I have never experienced the friendship>kill Flemeth>"I was wondering if we could be more than friends" conversation. Probably because I could never resist openly flirting with her from the get go. And seriously...who could resist the "Tis cold in my tent...all alone"?

Anyway, I just want to make sure I don't mess up my next playthrough, so any clarification is much appreciated.

[Who is that Masked Man]

I just wanted to clarify this point: So if I'm on the friendship path with Morrigan, save her from Flemeth, and involved with say Leliana - the option to start a romance with Morrigan during that particular conversation will not be available?

Correct.

My dwarf commoner Warden was good buddies with Morrigan, and was in a romance with Leliana. When Morrigan asked if there could ever be more than friendship between them, I had him agree that he had considered it. Morrigan replied, "Except that there is another. I understand." And they were still in friendship mode.

Just to see what would happen, I re-loaded, dumped Leliana, and started that conversation over again. Turns out if your Warden is currently unattached, he can answer Morrigan's question with something like "I've always wanted to be more than just friends." Then you're in romance mode.

[RifuloftheWest]

@ Who is that Masked Man

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I really want to experience that conversation with Morrigan after killing Flemeth since it shows her scarcely seen tender side.

I may start another playthrough soon to get me my Morrigan fix =)

[ximena]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ah Morrigan. Possibly the only thing that is keeping some sliver of interest in this series.
One of the things I regret the most.

Same here, KoP.

Though I think I'll just stick to my arts.

[Originsmaster]

UFOash wrote...

When Morrigan asked about the romance after I killed Flemeth, I said "Maybe, under the right circumstances". Then it all got ballsed up and I couldn't romance her

Still mad about that one.
Especially since you can't start a romance with her at any other point (which was my only real reason for doing Witch Hunt).
When Morrigan was like "So why did you come all this way exactly? " there should have been a "Cause I secretly love you" option  

All the other answers were lame and I wasn't suprised Morrigan was just like "Right.. you came all the way across Ferelden, killed Abominations, Dragons and Darkspawn to find me because we were friends.."

Man I deffinatly agree. I was in love status the whole time during my first few playthroughs and i was on a new character and i did exactly what you did with this one and that happened to me in the DLC. And it pissed me off. She is one of the reasons why I still like this series. 

I also want to know what happened to my son!!! 

[Mr Plow]

RifuloftheWest wrote...

@ Who is that Masked Man

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I really want to experience that conversation with Morrigan after killing Flemeth since it shows her scarcely seen tender side.

I may start another playthrough soon to get me my Morrigan fix =)

been looking for this for ages -when friendship turns into

Modifié par Mr Plow, 31 juillet 2011 - 12:29 .

[Jarlof Seoul]

Mr Plow wrote...

RifuloftheWest wrote...

@ Who is that Masked Man

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I really want to experience that conversation with Morrigan after killing Flemeth since it shows her scarcely seen tender side.

I may start another playthrough soon to get me my Morrigan fix =)

been looking for this for ages -when friendship turns into

Brings back memories. Can't wait to get my DA; Awakening CD back so that I can replay some DAO scenes over again. DAO was the best game ever and Morrigan the best NPC ever since I started playing in 1989.

[Falconee]

Hey Guys,

Im a great fan of Morrigan, too.
So i thought of throwing my 2 cents in. =)

I talked with Morrigan after the Ritual, before fighting the archdemon, but i didnt check back my status.

But i just finished "Witch Hunt" a few hours ago for the first time (great ending for my grey Warden). And although i didnt get those Morrigan-Epilogue text in Awakening (I had the "Sorrow"-Epilogue in Origins), i was able to choose all the Options in my chatter with dog and Morrigan as if i have been in love with her all the time.

I assume therefore, that Morrigan was somehow flagged as "in love" with my grey warden.

I hope so because, should my choice somehow be important for DA 2 (haven't played it yet) or 3 (haven't played it either, suprise suprise ), i want it properly importet.

[Tirfan]

Falconee wrote...

Hey Guys,

Im a great fan of Morrigan, too.
So i thought of throwing my 2 cents in. =)

I talked with Morrigan after the Ritual, before fighting the archdemon, but i didnt check back my status.

But i just finished "Witch Hunt" a few hours ago for the first time (great ending for my grey Warden). And although i didnt get those Morrigan-Epilogue text in Awakening (I had the "Sorrow"-Epilogue in Origins), i was able to choose all the Options in my chatter with dog and Morrigan as if i have been in love with her all the time.

I assume therefore, that Morrigan was somehow flagged as "in love" with my grey warden.

I hope so because, should my choice somehow be important for DA 2 (haven't played it yet) or 3 (haven't played it either, suprise suprise ), i want it properly importet.

Welcome to the club.

I too liked Witch Hunt to some extent, if I overlook the boring parts (ie. anything but the Morrigan-discussion) And the ending gave me some satisfaction, except, why didn't my dog follow me? I can not understand - he would have made a fine babysitter for the OGB when mommy & daddy need the sexy-times.

I don't actually know if the plotflags for WH-ending are correct, nothing from Witch Hunt however is called in DA2. Soo, basically nothing to do with Morri in that game, however, if there will be anything Morrigan related, I don't even want to imagine the fan outcry if the flags are screwed. (which would not be surprise given how they seem to not work most of the time.)

[ximena]

Morrigan cosplay!





by the-kirana

Modifié par ximena, 05 août 2011 - 09:24 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

I'm not sure whether to take this as a bad thing, effectively being final confirmation that in all likelihood the Warden and Morrigan are done for good (or at least Morrigan as knew her), or as a good thing in knowing that they won't **** things up anymore than they already have...right?

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 05 août 2011 - 03:51 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

It's balanced out by Hawke never showing up again.

What I am more worried about is that the focus on DA is Thedas and not characters. That's a good thing, problem is, the overall plot in DA2 was really weak (ridiculous even) and the game just seemed much more personal (and even that was weak imo). We didn't really learn much new in Thedas, except the existence of a few things that were never explored.

If they really want Thedas to be the star of DA, maybe they should start writing more complex settings, with more complex plots.

[Baiolit]

I think that the goal of making Thedas the focus of the plot is admirable if a little foolhardy. I believe it's a great concept but one that is an overachievement if it is attempted to be ascertained in a short saga of games. When you look at some of the most engrossing fictional worlds it took decades of expansion via written lore and books, and various forms of media to flesh them out into a believable universe. Star Wars, WoW's Azeroth, Diablo's Sanctuary, and most of all Forgotten Realms have been around for a dozen plus years. (Star Wars and Forgotten Realms have enraptured entire generations of fans)

In my opinion it is much more logical at this point and time to make Dragon Age focus on its strengths in terms of characters and plot progression. The Warden has been proven to be far more successful than Hawke, and the lore behind the darkspawn and blights still captivates players. I think such a good job was done with the Grey Wardens that the "Qunari vs Thedas", and the "mages vs templars" conflicts feel like subplots.

Morrigan is an amazing character and it does seem peculiar that she is going to be largely neglected due to the fact that so much of her involvement in the plot has to do with how she interacted with the player. It seems odd to me that such a critical character to the series itself is allowed to have negligible impact on it due to player choice. It may be my bias here, but I would be perfectly happy to forgo choices if it meant seeing Morrigan adressed once more.

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote...

Morrigan cosplay!

*snip*
by the-kirana

Nice!

TheBlackBaron wrote...
I'm not sure whether to take this as a  bad thing, effectively being final confirmation that in all likelihood
the Warden and Morrigan are done for good (or at least Morrigan as knew  her), or as a good thing in knowing that they won't **** things up  anymore than they already have...right?

I think its plain as day that the Warden wasn't going to be back as soon as they went with the ironclad mandate that every BioWare game needs to have voiced PC and the same cinematic presentation.

I'm not inherently opposed to a new PC, but if they're doing that they need to not only wrap up personally engaging storylines best suited to a certain PC before moving on,  NEVER ever ever have an old companion show up as a new companion for the new PC and fix their stinking import bugs.

Especially with LI characters from one game to the next, you'll simply end up with another Anders situation. And I'm quite convinced at this point thats precisely what will happen in DA3 with Morrigan should they bring her back- they'll change her to such an extent she may as well be a different character, the Warden and OGB will be no where to be seen and be handwaved away and they'll likely give her the standard BioWare female extreme makeover in plopping some giant boobs on her and make her a LI for New Epic Hero of Thedas.

If they're going to bring old companion characters back or LI's in a new game without the old PC- respect the old PC's choices and don't have screwed up imports and limit them to NPCs. Maybe they can still be important NPCs, but have them be people clearly affected one way or the other by their past experience with past PCs. And not like psycho Anders or having Leliana break up with the Warden and having the Warden go off and disappear for no reason.

Baiolit wrote...
It may be my bias here,
but I would be perfectly happy to forgo choices if it meant seeing
Morrigan adressed once more.

Be careful what you wish for.... like I said above, I really only want to see Morrigan again if she's going to react to the choices the Warden made with her in a significant and meaningful way. And not have it end up as Anders 2.0 where they might as well have made a new character since they didn't even show the most significant events that made him a changed person from Awakening to DA2.

New PCs with old companions is just a terrible formula more often than not as it just raises that intrinsic disconnect between player, new PC and the old companion. Just like KOTOR2 when you meet Bastila and Carth again, and you're forced to react as if you don't know them.

Modifié par Brockololly, 05 août 2011 - 09:05 .

[Tirfan]

^ What he said.. especially about the Bioware-standard edition-sequel boobjob, I'm going batsh*t insane if Morrigan gets a boobjob, she is perfect as she is in DA:O.

I'm really conflicted whether I should really hold any interest in Dragon Age-franchise what with the interractive-movie & voiced protagonist approach. But then again.. I do have too much invested in Morrigan& the Warden & OGB plotline, which, well, isn't going to happen at least the way I think it should, in worst case scenario - Bioware is going to totally screw it up with horrible retcons... Part of me does hope Morrigan gets some screeentime, as does her plan & we get some real info on the Old Gods so I would know what I signed up on when I did the dark ritual... But is that really enough for me to keep on hoping Dragon Age could return to being even decent?

[Mike3207]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

It's balanced out by Hawke never showing up again.

Unfortunately, Gaider implied Hawke will be coming back. I can stomach Hawke coming back if they bring back the Warden as well.While we're about it let's bring back Morrigan and Anora as well, I want all of them back for DA3.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 05 août 2011 - 09:48 .

[I Like Cats And]

Question for you guys......my OCD is flaring up with the lack of patching in Origins and they most likely won't realse another one.

Did you guys choose to get the ring Epilogue in Origins or skip it and get the searching for her epilogue in Awakening. My cannon Warden will eventually go through the mirror with her and just want to know what makes the most sense story wise cause it's really bugging me. I was leaning towards the Awakening ending seeing as how it happens later.

tl;dr: Ring epilogue in Origins or Looking for her in Awakening?

[Brockololly]

I Like Cats And wrote...

Question for you guys......my OCD is flaring up with the lack of patching in Origins and they most likely won't realse another one.

Did you guys choose to get the ring Epilogue in Origins or skip it and get the searching for her epilogue in Awakening. My cannon Warden will eventually go through the mirror with her and just want to know what makes the most sense story wise cause it's really bugging me. I was leaning towards the Awakening ending seeing as how it happens later.

tl;dr: Ring epilogue in Origins or Looking for her in Awakening?

Totally go for the ring epilogue in Origins. In the end, it doesn't really matter either way like you said, since you can go through the Eluvian.

But I liked the Origins epilogue more- its kind of sad and more personal. While the Awakening one is just a rumor that the Warden went looking in Orlais for Morrigan, which they retconned in Witch Hunt anyway.