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[Jarlof Seoul]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

I'm not sure whether to take this as a bad thing, effectively being final confirmation that in all likelihood the Warden and Morrigan are done for good (or at least Morrigan as knew her), or as a good thing in knowing that they won't **** things up anymore than they already have...right?

If only the OGB were the protagonist of DAIII...

[Jarlof Seoul]

ximena wrote...

Morrigan cosplay!





by the-kirana

very nice. could hear "The Party Camp" by Inon Zur in my head while looking at this Morrigan.

[Mike3207]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

I'm not sure whether to take this as a bad thing, effectively being final confirmation that in all likelihood the Warden and Morrigan are done for good (or at least Morrigan as knew her), or as a good thing in knowing that they won't **** things up anymore than they already have...right?

People are overreacting to what was said. All that was said was the Warden and Hawke won't be core protagonists anymore. It still is a reasonable possibility that we will see him/her in a cameo or another role.

[Brockololly]

I'll maintain that instead of simply having a revolving door of protagonists every game, if BioWare wanted to step up, they'd have multiple protagonists in a game, thus allowing for multiple points of view- A Song of Ice and Fire style. Have Hawke dealing with the mage/Templar stuff, the Warden with Morrigan and the OGB and maybe some new guy to bring it all together.

[MKDAWUSS]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Since I'm in a sharing mood, I will put this out there: our intention is that for each major release of Dragon Age, you will take up the mantle of a new character. This does not mean your old character may never appear in future games, but as far as the core protagonist goes, if there is a DA III, it will very likely be neither Hawke nor The Warden.

We want to keep the series about the time and place, rather than about any singular character. While I know not everyone prefers that approach, I believe it's perfectly valid, especially if certain plans of ours to shore up world consistency (import bugs really bother me!) come to fruition, which I believe they will.

And that's all I can say about that.

I'm not sure whether to take this as a bad thing, effectively being final confirmation that in all likelihood the Warden and Morrigan are done for good (or at least Morrigan as knew her), or as a good thing in knowing that they won't **** things up anymore than they already have...right?

Well, I look at it a bit like this. In a new game, you're most likely going to have a new engine, new story, new starting point, etc... With a new game, you essentially start at level 1, and while gameplay mechanics (technically speaking) don't apply to story, there is that element that someone at level 1 is pretty weak even in terms of in-universe applications. Trying to explain how a level 30+ character who had nothing stand in her way is now a level 1 chump who struggles against an inanimate strawman often ends up rather lame.

Going through my first full post-DA2 run of DAO, I can't help but think of the direction this series could have taken. I now want to play the Expansion Pack that Witch Hunt was supposed to be - especially if the things mentioned in the watered-down edition that is the DLC were developed upon (and we could have seen the results of our actions take shape too!).


Ahh well... BTW, did that Morrigan Romance DA2 Import thingy ever get fixed?

[Alex Kershaw]

I Like Cats And wrote...

Question for you guys......my OCD is flaring up with the lack of patching in Origins and they most likely won't realse another one.

Did you guys choose to get the ring Epilogue in Origins or skip it and get the searching for her epilogue in Awakening. My cannon Warden will eventually go through the mirror with her and just want to know what makes the most sense story wise cause it's really bugging me. I was leaning towards the Awakening ending seeing as how it happens later.

tl;dr: Ring epilogue in Origins or Looking for her in Awakening?

Just get both. Keep the mirror and give it to her in the epilogue save, and import that file to Awakening.

Brockololly wrote...

I'll maintain that instead of simply
having a revolving door of protagonists every game, if BioWare wanted to
step up, they'd have multiple protagonists in a game, thus allowing for
multiple points of view- A Song of Ice and Fire style. Have Hawke
dealing with the mage/Templar stuff, the Warden with Morrigan and the
OGB and maybe some new guy to bring it all together.

I doubt I'd be able to feel attached to a particular PC if it kept switching between protagonists. It'd also be really confusing with multiple companions, and with equipment and skills... It seems to me like clutching at straws as any way to have a game with Morrigan as a central role, which just isn't going to happen in the way we want it.

Modifié par Alex Kershaw, 06 août 2011 - 08:17 .

[Fallstar]

 I was somewhat disappointed when Mike confirmed that we're getting a new protagnist each game. It seemed fairly inevitable that this was the direction they were going in, as they have talked about Dragon Age being about the world rather than one individual character several times before. I don't doubt that Bioware will re-visit the Morrigan/OGB storyline again, its just that I can't see that story going ahead without the Warden being present, and I struggle to see how Bioware will do our Wardens justice if we aren't going to be revisiting them as player characters.

I mean, if our Wardens went through the Eluvian, then Morrigan/The Warden will be together when they appear in future games. Meaning that unless the Warden is brushed off by a random death/had to be somewhere else (which would be pathetic tbh) when Morrigan appears, the Warden will have to appear as an NPC; and again, there's no way an NPC Warden will be able to reflect the varying personalities of each and every player's Wardens.

In effect, our options for the OGB storyline have been limited to:
-Morrigan&OGB appear without Warden (disappointing)
-Morrigan&OBG&NPC Warden appear (almost certainly disappointing)
-OGB appears without Morrigan/Warden (this could be explained by the fact that Morrigan says your son is 'safe' when speaking with her at the Eluvian, meaning that when Morrigan&The Warden go through Eluvian, they disappear somewhere random and don't actually go to the OGB, which would be disappointing for those of us seeking closure for our Wardens, but is probably the best outcome for a good OGB storyline)
-OGB/Morrigan/Warden never appear again and are written off in a codex entry/not mentioned at all. (This would actually finish the DA franchise for me.)

Modifié par DuskWarden, 06 août 2011 - 09:01 .

[Alex Kershaw]

DuskWarden wrote...

 I was somewhat disappointed when Mike confirmed that we're getting a new protagnist each game. It seemed fairly inevitable that this was the direction they were going in, as they have talked about Dragon Age being about the world rather than one individual character several times before. I don't doubt that Bioware will re-visit the Morrigan/OGB storyline again, its just that I can't see that story going ahead without the Warden being present, and I struggle to see how Bioware will do our Wardens justice if we aren't going to be revisiting them as player characters.

I mean, if our Wardens went through the Eluvian, then Morrigan/The Warden will be together when they appear in future games. Meaning that unless the Warden is brushed off by a random death/had to be somewhere else (which would be pathetic tbh) when Morrigan appears, the Warden will have to appear as an NPC; and again, there's no way an NPC Warden will be able to reflect the varying personalities of each and every player's Wardens.

In effect, our options for the OGB storyline have been limited to:
-Morrigan&OGB appear without Warden (disappointing)
-Morrigan&OBG&NPC Warden appear (almost certainly disappointing)
-OGB appears without Morrigan/Warden (this could be explained by the fact that Morrigan says your son is 'safe' when speaking with her at the Eluvian, meaning that when Morrigan&The Warden go through Eluvian, they disappear somewhere random and don't actually go to the OGB, which would be disappointing for those of us seeking closure for our Wardens, but is probably the best outcome for a good OGB storyline)
-OGB/Morrigan/Warden never appear again and are written off in a codex entry/not mentioned at all. (This would actually finish the DA franchise for me.)

Not to mention that seeing your Warden would be almost impossible due to the new art style, surely?

The best thing we can hope for in my opinion is OGB being canon somehow, with him ending up as an important character (a companion maybe?). Maybe you'd meet him and also get a cameo from Morrigan, but in a way which suggests it isn't important for the Warden to be there (e.g. he's out somewhere) before the OGB joins your party. Then perhaps the OGB could reference Morrigan/Warden a few times or something. Any more than that seems highly unlikely at this point.

Modifié par Alex Kershaw, 06 août 2011 - 10:31 .

[MKDAWUSS]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

DuskWarden wrote...

 I was somewhat disappointed when Mike confirmed that we're getting a new protagnist each game. It seemed fairly inevitable that this was the direction they were going in, as they have talked about Dragon Age being about the world rather than one individual character several times before. I don't doubt that Bioware will re-visit the Morrigan/OGB storyline again, its just that I can't see that story going ahead without the Warden being present, and I struggle to see how Bioware will do our Wardens justice if we aren't going to be revisiting them as player characters.

I mean, if our Wardens went through the Eluvian, then Morrigan/The Warden will be together when they appear in future games. Meaning that unless the Warden is brushed off by a random death/had to be somewhere else (which would be pathetic tbh) when Morrigan appears, the Warden will have to appear as an NPC; and again, there's no way an NPC Warden will be able to reflect the varying personalities of each and every player's Wardens.

In effect, our options for the OGB storyline have been limited to:
-Morrigan&OGB appear without Warden (disappointing)
-Morrigan&OBG&NPC Warden appear (almost certainly disappointing)
-OGB appears without Morrigan/Warden (this could be explained by the fact that Morrigan says your son is 'safe' when speaking with her at the Eluvian, meaning that when Morrigan&The Warden go through Eluvian, they disappear somewhere random and don't actually go to the OGB, which would be disappointing for those of us seeking closure for our Wardens, but is probably the best outcome for a good OGB storyline)
-OGB/Morrigan/Warden never appear again and are written off in a codex entry/not mentioned at all. (This would actually finish the DA franchise for me.)

Not to mention that seeing your Warden would be almost impossible due to the new art style, surely?

The best thing we can hope for in my opinion is OGB being canon somehow, with him ending up as an important character (a companion maybe?). Maybe you'd meet him and also get a cameo from Morrigan, but in a way which suggests it isn't important for the Warden to be there (e.g. he's out somewhere) before the OGB joins your party. Then perhaps the OGB could reference Morrigan/Warden a few times or something. Any more than that seems highly unlikely at this point.

If that's the case, I could easily picture DA3 taking place 10 years after DA2, when the OGB would be eligible as a party member. It's also a point in time where an absent Warden might be plausibly explained (The Calling).

Though I wouldn't care for it, because 1 - the massive timeskips in the world make it seem like less is going on at one particular point in time, and 2 - it probably wouldn't give the Warden-Morrigan-OGB storyarc what it deserves. I'd settle for it if there was no better way to handle it, but it wouldn't necessarily be my first option.

[Who is that Masked Man]

Apropos of nothing, I've recently been doing another Morrigan-romance playthrough, and just for the heck of it I turned her down at her "Tis cold in my tent all alone" scene.

I never realized that this could actually give my Warden a chance to turn around and be the one to invite Morrigan to his tent for their first night together. What's really funny to me is that in one of the conversation paths the Warden can invite Morrigan to his tent so that they can "hold hands and recite the Chant together." Morrigan says that for the Warden, she's willing to risk even redemption.

Cue sex scene.

Now I can't help but imagine that as a horribly awkward surprise for a naive, pro-Chantry Warden who really did want to recite the Chant with Morrigan. He'd be all, "Magic is meant to serve man, not to-- OH MAKER, WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?":lol:

[Tirfan]

Oh, how can anyone turn down Morrigan in the "'Tis cold in me tent all alone"-scene.. That would just feel so very very wrong.

On the Morrigan&OGB-plotline: OGB as the protagonist is something to ponder, while it has been stated that the OGB is male, I don't see this as a bad thing, perhaps Bioware could get rid of the incredibly annoying Shepard/Hawke-mold of middle-ground between blankslate/set characters with that. OGB as protagonist does have a few problems though - especially if the Warden is not present at any point (Mostly, because it could contradict the characterization of some of the Wardens - if Avernus could live n-years and not take the Calling, there is just no conceivable reason why my Warden wouldn't take that route to survive in order to get more years with Morri&the baby)

And then of course, it could create a bit weird OOC moment with Morrigan (Oh yeah, my character romanced her and she is still a hot-mama.. waait.. now my character is her son? Freud Freud)

But all things considered the OGB as forced canon & the OGB as a protagonist would be probably the best thing that could happen to this franchise in many ways.

[Jarlof Seoul]

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Apropos of nothing, I've recently been doing another Morrigan-romance playthrough, and just for the heck of it I turned her down at her "Tis cold in my tent all alone" scene.

I never realized that this could actually give my Warden a chance to turn around and be the one to invite Morrigan to his tent for their first night together. What's really funny to me is that in one of the conversation paths the Warden can invite Morrigan to his tent so that they can "hold hands and recite the Chant together." Morrigan says that for the Warden, she's willing to risk even redemption.

Cue sex scene.

Now I can't help but imagine that as a horribly awkward surprise for a naive, pro-Chantry Warden who really did want to recite the Chant with Morrigan. He'd be all, "Magic is meant to serve man, not to-- OH MAKER, WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?":lol:

Dude. I was almost curled up on the floor laughing imaging such a scene. Good one!

Modifié par Jarlof Seoul, 07 août 2011 - 02:30 .

[ximena]

Jarlof Seoul wrote...

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Apropos of nothing, I've recently been doing another Morrigan-romance playthrough, and just for the heck of it I turned her down at her "Tis cold in my tent all alone" scene.

I never realized that this could actually give my Warden a chance to turn around and be the one to invite Morrigan to his tent for their first night together. What's really funny to me is that in one of the conversation paths the Warden can invite Morrigan to his tent so that they can "hold hands and recite the Chant together." Morrigan says that for the Warden, she's willing to risk even redemption.

Cue sex scene.

Now I can't help but imagine that as a horribly awkward surprise for a naive, pro-Chantry Warden who really did want to recite the Chant with Morrigan. He'd be all, "Magic is meant to serve man, not to-- OH MAKER, WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?":lol:

Dude. I was almost curled up on the floor laughing imaging such a scene. Good one!

I'm tempted to illustrate this but I don't have a naive, pro-Chantry Warden to illustrate. hahaha.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Once again I find myself having a random Morrigan questoon, so here goes: If the player decides to let Flemeth live, is there any opportunity to confess this to Morrigan? Also, are there any unique lines for this scenario in Witch Hunt?

[Brockololly]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Once again I find myself having a random Morrigan questoon, so here goes: If the player decides to let Flemeth live, is there any opportunity to confess this to Morrigan? Also, are there any unique lines for this scenario in Witch Hunt?

Its been a while, but I think some of this was bugged in Origins and fixed in Terra_Ex's Morrigan restoration mod. I think if you let Flemeth go, you can try to lie but Morrigan realizes you're lying.

I don't know if it makes Witch Hunt any different- I  don't think there is any unique dialogue in this case- I think she only reacts to Flemeth if you mention having killed her...I think. Its been months since I played Origins:blush:

[Mike3207]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Once again I find myself having a random Morrigan questoon, so here goes: If the player decides to let Flemeth live, is there any opportunity to confess this to Morrigan? Also, are there any unique lines for this scenario in Witch Hunt?

Not in origins-at least on console. You give her Flemeth's Grimoire and she has no idea if you got it by killing Flemeth or otherwise. She seems to assume she's dead either way. Not sure on WH, I haven't played that.

[LobselVith8]

I Like Cats And wrote...

Question for you guys......my OCD is flaring up with the lack of patching in Origins and they most likely won't realse another one.

Did you guys choose to get the ring Epilogue in Origins or skip it and get the searching for her epilogue in Awakening. My cannon Warden will eventually go through the mirror with her and just want to know what makes the most sense story wise cause it's really bugging me. I was leaning towards the Awakening ending seeing as how it happens later.

tl;dr: Ring epilogue in Origins or Looking for her in Awakening?

I got the ring Epilogue in Origins. Given what The Warden says in Witch Hunt, it seems that even if he decides to focus on restoring the Grey Wardens in Ferelden, he's still looking for her through his scouts (and apparently protecting her from the Chantry, given the lack of any mention of a bounty from the templars like the one that's mentioned for the Orlesian Warden in Witch Hunt). It seems to be a given that The Warden who romanced Morrigan is still looking for her, even if he doesn't make it explicitly clear at the royal ceremony. It really depends on what you prefer, I suppose.

[Retrogue]

Been a while.

Here, have a Morrigan drawing.


Artist: devilmaru

Brockololly wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Once
again I find myself having a random Morrigan questoon, so here goes: If
the player decides to let Flemeth live, is there any opportunity to
confess this to Morrigan? Also, are there any unique lines for this
scenario in Witch Hunt?

Its been a while, but I think
some of this was bugged in Origins and fixed in Terra_Ex's Morrigan
restoration mod. I think if you let Flemeth go, you can try to lie but
Morrigan realizes you're lying.

I don't know if it makes Witch
Hunt any different- I  don't think there is any unique dialogue in this
case- I think she only reacts to Flemeth if you mention having killed
her...I think. Its been months since I played Origins[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/blushing.png[/smilie]

I don't have the Morrigan dialogue restoration, and I've still managed to let Flemeth live while letting Morrigan believe that she's dead. You may need to pass some sort of persuasion or lie check, though.

Modifié par Retrogue, 10 août 2011 - 08:47 .

[MegaBadExample]

Jarlof Seoul wrote...

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Apropos of nothing, I've recently been doing another Morrigan-romance playthrough, and just for the heck of it I turned her down at her "Tis cold in my tent all alone" scene.

I never realized that this could actually give my Warden a chance to turn around and be the one to invite Morrigan to his tent for their first night together. What's really funny to me is that in one of the conversation paths the Warden can invite Morrigan to his tent so that they can "hold hands and recite the Chant together." Morrigan says that for the Warden, she's willing to risk even redemption.

Cue sex scene.

Now I can't help but imagine that as a horribly awkward surprise for a naive, pro-Chantry Warden who really did want to recite the Chant with Morrigan. He'd be all, "Magic is meant to serve man, not to-- OH MAKER, WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?":lol:

Dude. I was almost curled up on the floor laughing imaging such a scene. Good one!

Haha! You're not the only one bro
Ah, good stuff.

[hobbit of the shire]

eeee... finally got my avatar uploaded of my oh so cuddleable Morrigan and thought I'd post it here.

Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 11 août 2011 - 07:32 .

[Jarlof Seoul]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

eeee... finally got my avatar uploaded of my oh so cuddleable Morrigan and thought I'd post it here.

so cuuuuuute!

[hobbit of the shire]

Squeeeeeeeee! Ok, couldn't help it, had to upload her full pic au naturel.... get your mind out of the gutter... natural as in no Photoshopping and colour adjustments. Thanks to Jo Roberts for being the most awesome plushie maker in the world.

Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 11 août 2011 - 05:52 .

[Jarlof Seoul]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

Squeeeeeeeee! Ok, couldn't help it, had to upload her full pic au naturel.... get your mind out of the gutter... natural as in no Photoshopping and colour adjustments. Thanks to Jo Roberts for being the most awesome plushie maker in the world.

Where can I get one of those?

[hobbit of the shire]

Jarlof Seoul wrote...
Where can I get one of those?

Her Morrigans are officially retired, but she has a waiting list for commissions for other plushies.

http://eitanya.deviantart.com/

Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 11 août 2011 - 11:27 .

[Brockololly]

hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...

Squeeeeeeeee! Ok, couldn't help it, had to upload her full pic au naturel.... get your mind out of the gutter... natural as in no Photoshopping and colour adjustments. Thanks to Jo Roberts for being the most awesome plushie maker in the world.

Haha- thats awesome:wizard: