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[KnightofPhoenix]

I'd rather she not return until I believe it's possible that Bioware will do her justice. As it stands, I virtually have no faith in them to do so.

[csfteeeer]

Move Along, Nothing to see here.

Modifié par csfteeeer, 19 décembre 2011 - 04:57 .

[Zjarcal]

Eh, I thought that link actually made it clear it was a fan made thing:

"I’m not sure if I should spend some time finishing it off or start on a new character."

[csfteeeer]

ooh.

i didn't read the link.

I'll just, delete the Post then.

[bl00dsh0t]

JL81 wrote...

Nothing for almost a week, huh?

I am not letting this thread die... I won't !! Not as long as there is hope for a future return of my favorite Bioware character ever .

Hehe this thread never dies, at worst it hibernates for a while and gets reignited at times where there might be something morrigan related to discuss Seeing as nothing noteworthy has popped up in quite a while and probably won't at least untill after me3 is out expect it to be pretty dead up in here untill then...e3 in the summer might bring some news worth discussing but in the end the reaction with a 95% chance will be all doom and gloom and a 5% chance that the hope is reignited....who am I kidding hope has forsaken these lands xD

We know Morrigan will be back at some point in the dragon age universe, probably in DA3, but most likely they won't get close to any of our expectations when it comes to reactivity of our choices regarding her so keeping the hope alive and expectations redicolously low seems to be our easiest way out of this without too many tears being shed 

[Barbarossa2010]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

JL81 wrote...

Nothing for almost a week, huh?

I am not letting this thread die... I won't !! Not as long as there is hope for a future return of my favorite Bioware character ever .

Hehe this thread never dies, at worst it hibernates for a while and gets reignited at times where there might be something morrigan related to discuss Seeing as nothing noteworthy has popped up in quite a while and probably won't at least untill after me3 is out expect it to be pretty dead up in here untill then...e3 in the summer might bring some news worth discussing but in the end the reaction with a 95% chance will be all doom and gloom and a 5% chance that the hope is reignited....who am I kidding hope has forsaken these lands xD

We know Morrigan will be back at some point in the dragon age universe, probably in DA3, but most likely they won't get close to any of our expectations when it comes to reactivity of our choices regarding her so keeping the hope alive and expectations redicolously low seems to be our easiest way out of this without too many tears being shed 

Spoken like a true Morrigan-ite.  Gosh I miss this thread; the epic walls of text, mild obsession, memorable rants, and wild speculation...then came DA2...and...well...let's just say the give a crap factor for many of us went from crazy excitment, to head scratching wtf-ing, to indifference, to Dragon Age what? 

Like you said, hope has always been tenuous at best here, but since March it appears to have collided decisively with it's anti counterpart.

Nice to see everyone though,

Back to Skyrim.

[Brockololly]

Merry Christmas everyone..


Yes, bad pun is bad

bl00dsh0t wrote...
Hehe this thread never dies, at worst it hibernates for a while and gets reignited at times where there might be something morrigan related to discuss Seeing as nothing noteworthy has popped up in quite a while and probably won't at least untill after me3 is out expect it to be pretty dead up in here untill then...e3 in the summer might bring some news worth discussing but in the end the reaction with a 95% chance will be all doom and gloom and a 5% chance that the hope is reignited....who am I kidding hope has forsaken these lands xD

We know Morrigan will be back at some point in the dragon age universe, probably in DA3, but most likely they won't get close to any of our expectations when it comes to reactivity of our choices regarding her so keeping the hope alive and expectations redicolously low seems to be our easiest way out of this without too many tears being shed

The devs like Laidlaw and Gaider keep insisting that Morrigan's story isn't over. I don't doubt she'll show up again sometime soon and make a big deal out of it like Witch Hunt, only to most likely underwhelm and possibly retcon or Plot Hammer past events with the Warden.

But you're probably right- my guess is around February they'll announce some new DA thing, whether thats another DA2 DLC or something else, seeing as they have the anime and comic coming out around then. And the comic seems to most likely involve Morrigan or at the very least a Witch of the Wilds.

And then I'd wager they'll slip some insert into the boxes of ME3 for something DA related in March.

Its funny though, considering its been about 9 or 10 months after the launch of DA2, there have been only 2 DLC's. At about 10 months after the release of Origins they had already released every piece of DLC, Awakening, ended support for Origins and had already revealed Dragon Age 2. Hell, they announced DA2 only about 8 months after Origins had been out.

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
Spoken
like a true Morrigan-ite.  Gosh I miss this thread; the epic walls of
text, mild obsession, memorable rants, and wild speculation...then came
DA2...and...well...let's just say the give a crap factor for many of us
went from crazy excitment, to head scratching wtf-ing, to indifference,
to Dragon Age what? 

Like you said, hope has always been tenuous at best here, but since March it appears to have collided decisively with it's anti counterpart. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/sad.png

Nice to see everyone though,

Back to Skyrim.../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png

I still can't get over how disappointing DA2 was, but its made even more clear when playing other great games, like Skyrim. And then you read Gaider's new book, Asunder, which seems to even further marginalize Hawke's role in the larger world, so that the events of DA2 seem completely pointless in the big picture of the Mage/Templar war. Bleh.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Asunder is out? What's the story, if one would be kind enough to write a summary.

[Augustei]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Asunder is out? What's the story, if one would be kind enough to write a summary.

You can find out about it in this thread. I Havn't read it myself so doubt my summary would do it justice =P
http://social.biowar...index/8819570/1

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 26 décembre 2011 - 08:30 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Somewhat interesting. Could have been shown in DA2, which of course had none of that.

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Somewhat interesting. Could have been shown in DA2, which of course had none of that.

To me at least, the story of Asunder sounds way more important and better suited to a game than DA2. DA2 should have been the story of Asunder, with Hawke and the Kirkwall stuff relegated to a tie in book.

Cause it seems like the stuff in Asunder is what actually gets all the Circles in revolt while the Kirkwall stuff and especially Hawke are rendered pretty pointless in the big picture.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Precisely. DA2 should have been about that, with no Qunari and no Hawke.
I am sure Anders could have been used as well.

[seekr34]

http://en.wikipedia....i/Claudia_Black  She is the voice of Morrigan and have done voices of others.  Saw her pic and WOW.

[Brockololly]

seekr34 wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....i/Claudia_Black  She is the voice of Morrigan and have done voices of others.  Saw her pic and WOW.

Yeah, Claudia Black isn't too shabby

[KnightofPhoenix]

It's the voice.....*melts*

[MKDAWUSS]

Brockololly wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Somewhat interesting. Could have been shown in DA2, which of course had none of that.

To
me at least, the story of Asunder sounds way more important and better
suited to a game than DA2. DA2 should have been the story of Asunder,
with Hawke and the Kirkwall stuff relegated to a tie in book.

Cause
it seems like the stuff in Asunder is what actually gets all the
Circles in revolt while the Kirkwall stuff and especially Hawke are
rendered pretty pointless in the big picture.

So much for Hawke being the "one person who can put all the pieces back together"

Although, I suppose Hawke could still be seen as a scapegoat or rallying figure (or both!) even with the storyline of Asunder taken into account. Revolutions tend to be kicked off by numerous events and not just one.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Precisely. DA2 should have been about that, with no Qunari and no Hawke.
I am sure Anders could have been used as well.

And don't forget the lyrium idol and the statues...


Though I still think Qunari vs. Chantry would have been a better conflict than Mage vs. Templar...

[Brockololly]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

So much for Hawke being the "one person who can put all the pieces back together"

Although, I suppose Hawke could still be seen as a scapegoat or rallying figure (or both!) even with the storyline of Asunder taken into account. Revolutions tend to be kicked off by numerous events and not just one.

Yeah, I'm actually reading Asunder right now and the extent of DA2's involvement in starting a war between Templar/Mages is that the rebellion in Kirkwall caused the Templars across Thedas to disband the College of Enchanters which sort of ticked off the mages. But beyond some nebulous notion of freedom, the mages don't seem to really have a clue as to what they want in terms of real world goals and aims.

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Though I still think Qunari vs. Chantry would have been a better conflict than Mage vs. Templar...

It depends on how they handle the conflict- if its simply Mages as one big group versus Templars thats boring. But if the mages and templars fracture into many different groups with maybe Tevinter providing behind the scenes support to some mages or the Qunari going against everyone, with the Wardens doing stuff too- the potential is there for solid political and faction based gameplay in DA3, but BioWare has never really done a solid political storyline or a New Vegas style faction based storyline, so I don't know that they'd start in DA3.

[PHub88]

So just entering the postgame in Origins causes the bug in witch hunt?

[DiegoRaphael]

seekr34 wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....i/Claudia_Black  She is the voice of Morrigan and have done voices of others.  Saw her pic and WOW.

Even at 40, if some day for some reason they do a DA live action movie or a TV series, she must be Morrigan.

I mean, they turn Rebecca Romijn into Mystique for X-Men, and Charlize Theron into Aileen for Monster, both using only makeup, they can make Claudia look young!

NEVER BW! NEVER change Morrigan's voice! If Claudia asks 1million to dub her again in another game, pay her!

[csfteeeer]

i have not Read Asunder(and i'm not likely to, unless they release it in Spanish and i happen to be bored), but.... is it true?

SPOILERS AHEAD.

from what i've read, Apperantly the reason as to why the War starts it's because a cure for the Tranquility was discovered, and someone has gone nuts over it, and not because of the Events in Kirkwall.

SPOILERS OVER.

if that's true.... Then DA2 was even More pointless to be overall picture than it already was.

a Tie in NOVEL is more important to the story of a GAME Series than one of the Games.

He, silly me.
because even though i Disliked DA2(that's being kind), i thought that it at least had a Purpose.

Because, if anything, it was a setup for several interesting things in the series.
a Cheap, Lazy, Sequel Bait Purpose, but at least a Purpose.

With this.... it doesn't even have that, Despite all the hype from Laidlaw and others that, unlike DAO, the events in DA2 would drastically affect the world.

So i wonder now.... what was the point of DA2's story?
Tell the Story of Hawke?
Well, that really doesn't do much, so why did we needed to see that story?

ugh...
i should just forget about it.

Modifié par csfteeeer, 30 décembre 2011 - 10:06 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

csfteeeer wrote...
ugh...
i should just forget about it.

Something I did a long time ago.

[Brockololly]

PHub88 wrote...

So just entering the postgame in Origins causes the bug in witch hunt?

So long as you have the updated Witch Hunt DLC you shouldn't have any bugs.

The only other thing is in Origins where if you talk to Morrigan after having done the Ritual, when you're at the gates of Denerim, that conversation sets her to friendly status, but that officially "finishes" her romance in Origins, thus giving you the epilogue slide where she feels sorrow and regret through the ring. 

The problem with that is in Awakening, if you romanced Morrigan, at the end you're supposed to get an epilogue slide saying your Warden went off to Orlais looking for Morrigan. But if you spoke with Morrigan at the end in Origins and thus got the ring epilogue there which sets Morrigan to "friendly", Awakening incorrectly reads Morrigan as only friendly and not in love, and you won't get the right epilogue slide.

That doesn't matter for Witch Hunt though, as the bug in Witch Hunt had to do with Morrigan acting like your Warden didn't do the Dark Ritual, when in fact your Warden did. The main bug remaining with Morrigan is that in getting the ring epilogue in Origins, you'll get locked out of the Morrigan Awakening epilogue. Doesn't make a difference in Witch Hunt though, so just get the ring epilogue in Origins as its better than the epilogue slide in Awakening.

[PHub88]

My Witch Hunt is from the GOTY edition for 360. Any idea if that is considered the updated one? Seems like it would be, better to be sure.

[Jarlof Seoul]

Brockololly wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

So much for Hawke being the "one person who can put all the pieces back together"

Although, I suppose Hawke could still be seen as a scapegoat or rallying figure (or both!) even with the storyline of Asunder taken into account. Revolutions tend to be kicked off by numerous events and not just one.

Yeah, I'm actually reading Asunder right now and the extent of DA2's involvement in starting a war between Templar/Mages is that the rebellion in Kirkwall caused the Templars across Thedas to disband the College of Enchanters which sort of ticked off the mages. But beyond some nebulous notion of freedom, the mages don't seem to really have a clue as to what they want in terms of real world goals and aims.

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Though I still think Qunari vs. Chantry would have been a better conflict than Mage vs. Templar...

It depends on how they handle the conflict- if its simply Mages as one big group versus Templars thats boring. But if the mages and templars fracture into many different groups with maybe Tevinter providing behind the scenes support to some mages or the Qunari going against everyone, with the Wardens doing stuff too- the potential is there for solid political and faction based gameplay in DA3, but BioWare has never really done a solid political storyline or a New Vegas style faction based storyline, so I don't know that they'd start in DA3.

Just finished Asunder, and basically, I wouldn't say DA2's events are pointless. I would still consider the events in Kirkwall as the spark that starts the Mage rebellion. An event facilitated and manipulated by good ol' Flemeth, the former-mother-in-law my Warden made the hardest choice to slay. Then the events of Asunder which take place after DA2, point to independent "world order changing events" with a major discovery that could not have happened at a worst time and added fuel to the fire, albeit in an unexpected way in terms of Asunders plot development/twist. I was mostly disappointed by the lack of any Morrigan references, but I enjoyed some lines in the book that were a homage by Gaider to the dialogue between the DR/ RomancingWardern and Morrigan in WH. I did not miss Hawke but given the perspective of the story's protagonists, references to Hawke were not necessary. On the other hand I was glad to see references to the Warden, and even though they fall short of Morri, the Warden's companions who did have a role in Asunder where like seeing old friends again. They where part of my Warden's group at some point in DAO. The added texture the novel gave the Battle at Fort Drakkon was nice too. Reminded me of the night I stayed up until Dawn finishing DAO. So, the book doesn't scratch the Morrigan itch but has potential for interesting follow-up and background for DA3. Had the best villian to date too, and a forbidden love element that I am always a sucker for. One reason my Warden/I development this thing for Morri vice Leliana.

Happy New Year to you all. May next year bring some decent Morrigan to us.

Cheers

[Deckers]

PHub88 wrote...

My Witch Hunt is from the GOTY edition for 360. Any idea if that is considered the updated one? Seems like it would be, better to be sure.

Having played on the PS3, my advice to you with regards to trying to protect the Morrigan romance import is to get the ring epilogue then give the now "friend" Morrigan the golden mirror in the post-game party camp (this is a unique gift bought in Orzammar, if you give it to her and say something along the lines of it's a gift for a beautiful woman, she'll shift to in-love status).
That is, assuming the witch-hunt patch fixes your save file as opposed to just learning that "No DR flags = accepted it", I'm not familiar with what their fix was precisely.
On console, you're guaranteed to have part of your import for future games (if you're romancing Morrigan) broken/missing because aside from the problems with the base game, as far as I recall Golems and Witch Hunt don't keep your approval details for anyone not in your party, and DA2 decided to judge romance on approval data in your imported save.

Personally I'm going to play Origins modded on PC once I finish building my machine (waiting on ivy bridge & Nvidia's next card line-up), I don't intend to pick up DA2 for PC but I'll check my save is import proof in every way I can think of on the off-chance that (hopefully) DA3 is something nearer to what I wanted out of a DA:O sequel. And that perhaps there may possibly be a small chance that my Morrigan fllags get imported/used.

Hope. After 582 pages, I should've learned better by now.

Modifié par Deckers, 03 janvier 2012 - 07:11 .