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[Zjarcal]

It's not like the warden doesn't say anything, unless of course one doesn't use their imagination and actually views the warden as a tree.

EDIT: That being said, I can understand if his point is that he enjoyed it more to actually listen the romantic lines being spoken, since I also enjoy that more in DA2.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 13 février 2012 - 01:57 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

It's not like the warden doesn't say anything, unless of course one doesn't use their imagination and actually views the warden as a tree.

I didn't mind it because I did use my imagination. And my imagination made it the best romance ever, which ultimately is the most important thing to me, despite the fact that at the end, it's just in my head.

But not all people can tolerate the blank slate, just like many can't tolerate the fixed. Or the in-between.

[Zjarcal]

Yeah I know, though I should clarify that my initial reaction towards that post wasn't about the voiced/silent thing, more about the idea that the Triss/Geralt romance was more developed or fulfilling. Eh, I suppose that is also a subjective matter.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have some naked Leliana and Morrigan drawings to finish.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 13 février 2012 - 02:06 .

[csfteeeer]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If he means that Geralt talks to Triss, expresses his concerns, feelings and the like, unlike the Warden who just listens to Morrigan taking on and on, then yea I see his point.
That's one of the perks of having a voiced fixed protagonist.

Yeah, that's one of my problems with BW Romances(and btw, this happens Even In Mass Effect.)

They just assume you feel Bad for them, and on top of that they really just assume the Warden doesn't care about his/her own concerns, which is especially stupid when the warden's situation is just as bad if not worse than that of your LI.

Case in Point:

Cousland Warden: *Loses Entire Family in a Single Day*
Alistair: i just lost Duncan and i don't have any other friend.
Cousland Warden: *Cannot Remind him of her lost recently and can only Confort him(if the romance is to go on, that is)*

Me: ಠ_ಠ

[HiroVoid]

You can certainly remind him of it, and you don't have to sacrifice the romance to do it.

[csfteeeer]

 i Was Exaggerating, i always do that.

but.... yeah, you can remind him.... Once, the rest of the time the option is either not there, or it's there, but causes EXTREME approval hits(there are some that cause you to lose ALL of his approval, in one dialogue).

Not to say i don't think the Romance is well made or Alistair isn't a good character, i'm just saying.

[Jarlof Seoul]

Zjarcal wrote...

Yeah I know, though I should clarify that my initial reaction towards that post wasn't about the voiced/silent thing, more about the idea that the Triss/Geralt romance was more developed or fulfilling. Eh, I suppose that is also a subjective matter.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have some naked Leliana and Morrigan drawings to finish.

Triss/Geralt wasn't more fullfilling as much as experiential. I spent more time living my romance in Witcher 1&2 than I did in DAO and WH. Granted, the conclusion of my romance in WH was arguably more definite than in the Witcher 2 despite the fact that my Geralt was equally insistent on declaring his love for Triss as my Warden did for Morrigan. Now, that I have clarified my thoughts on my post might I ask to see the Leliana, Morri drawings of yours?

[Brockololly]

Possibly new Morrigan related news via the upcoming DA comic, written by Gaider. Even though the first issue doesn't come out until next Wednesday the 22nd, Dark Horse is apparently teasing the 2nd and 3rd issues already.

Of note, this description of the 3rd issue, releasing on March 22nd, and a look at part of the cover:

DRAGON AGE: THE SILENT GROVE #3

Continuing the digital-exclusive tie-in to BioWare’s celebrated Dragon Age game series, from the Lead Writer of the games!

The second leg of King Alistair’s quest begins, as he and his companions learn more of the true fate of King Maric. Traveling by sea to swamps beyond the reach of civilization, Alistair, Isabela, and Varric pass their last chance to turn back as they encounter a dragon and the witch who may be behind everything!

• Story by David Gaider, lead writer of Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II!
• An essential addition to the Dragon Age canon!
• Exclusive to the Dark Horse Digital Store!

Writers: David Gaider, Alexander Freed
Artist: Chad Hardin
Colorist: Michael Atiyeh
Cover Artists: Ramil Sunga and Nick Thornborrow

So at a minimum thats another Witch of the Wilds. Whether thats Morrigan or not, who knows. She seems to have a mucked up hand though- I wonder if its not some allusion to their power in shapeshifting, maybe into dragons? Kind of like that original concept art of Flemeth for DA2 had her arm all dragon like?

Modifié par Brockololly, 16 février 2012 - 10:46 .

[Jarlof Seoul]

Brockololly wrote...

Possibly new Morrigan related news via the upcoming DA comic, written by Gaider. Even though the first issue doesn't come out until next Wednesday the 22nd, Dark Horse is apparently teasing the 2nd and 3rd issues already.

Of note, this description of the 3rd issue, releasing on March 22nd, and a look at part of the cover:

DRAGON AGE: THE SILENT GROVE #3

Continuing the digital-exclusive tie-in to BioWare’s celebrated Dragon Age game series, from the Lead Writer of the games!

The second leg of King Alistair’s quest begins, as he and his companions learn more of the true fate of King Maric. Traveling by sea to swamps beyond the reach of civilization, Alistair, Isabela, and Varric pass their last chance to turn back as they encounter a dragon and the witch who may be behind everything!

• Story by David Gaider, lead writer of Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II!
• An essential addition to the Dragon Age canon!
• Exclusive to the Dark Horse Digital Store!

Writers: David Gaider, Alexander Freed
Artist: Chad Hardin
Colorist: Michael Atiyeh
Cover Artists: Ramil Sunga and Nick Thornborrow

So at a minimum thats another Witch of the Wilds. Whether thats Morrigan or not, who knows. She seems to have a mucked up hand though- I wonder if its not some allusion to their power in shapeshifting, maybe into dragons? Kind of like that original concept art of Flemeth for DA2 had her arm all dragon like?

Interesting news.

Dragon Age: the Stolen Throne spoiler warning




I seem to remember at in the first third of Stolen Throne novel how Maric has a confidential meeting alone with Flemeth, that turned out to include a warning of the fifth Blight. There may have been other sensitive information at that meeting that ties into these forthcoming comics. I sure hope there is some Morrigan news for us Morrigan Nation members.

[Brockololly]

Jarlof Seoul wrote...
I seem to remember at in the first third of Stolen Throne novel how Maric has a confidential meeting alone with Flemeth, that turned out to include a warning of the fifth Blight. There may have been other sensitive information at that meeting that ties into these forthcoming comics. I sure hope there is some Morrigan news for us Morrigan Nation members.

Yeah, people have asked Gaider in the past what went on between Maric and Flemeth and what promise was it that he had to make to her. So I'm guessing that since it seems Alistair going to Antiva is heavily linked to him finding out some truth about Maric, we'll find out something about probably Flemeth too. Considering they've been hyping this comic as revealing some truth about the nature of dragons in Thedas, it'll likely tie into the WItches of the Wilds, or Flemeth at least. But probably Morrigan too, since she's obviously interested in Dragons, what with the Old God baby and all.

[Zjarcal]

Jarlof Seoul wrote...

...might I ask to see the Leliana, Morri drawings of yours?

I haven't finished either of them, but I did post a WIP of the Leliana one on my deviantart page.

http://zjarcal.deviantart.com/

You can see my other drawings there. Warning, most of it is NSFW content.

[blademaster7]

Zjarcal wrote...

Jarlof Seoul wrote...

...might I ask to see the Leliana, Morri drawings of yours?

I haven't finished either of them, but I did post a WIP of the Leliana one on my deviantart page.

http://zjarcal.deviantart.com/

You can see my other drawings there. Warning, most of it is NSFW content.

O_o I'm gonna bookmark that.. lol

[Jarlof Seoul]

So I read the latest DA comic and no sign of Morri yet. I guess I will have to wait until issue 3 for any sign of dragons or witch-of-the-wilds...

[bl00dsh0t]

I doubt that morrigan will be appearing in the comic, Zevran did in DAO mention that there is a witch of the wilds in Antiva and teases Morrigan about it so I would expect to find either Flemeth or a long lost sister of Morrigan there. Then again they could use Morrigan as "reader bait" but I would have expected them to market the comic with mentions of her if it is so.

Still not the worst 1$ I ever spent, first comic I've read in years and it seems interesting enough to keep tossing them some sympathy dollars ;D

[Brockololly]

Yeah, you guys will have to keep this thread updated with anything from the comic. Maybe if there is an actual Morrigan sighting I'll toss BioWare and Dark Horse my 99 cents, but otherwise they're not getting any sympathy dollars from me.

[Jarlof Seoul]

lol. "tis the doom of the Morriholics that we shall despair until said sighting of the raven-haired sorceress...

[Auroras]

Brockololly wrote...

Possibly new Morrigan related news via the upcoming DA comic, written by Gaider. Even though the first issue doesn't come out until next Wednesday the 22nd, Dark Horse is apparently teasing the 2nd and 3rd issues already.

Of note, this description of the 3rd issue, releasing on March 22nd, and a look at part of the cover:

DRAGON AGE: THE SILENT GROVE #3

Continuing the digital-exclusive tie-in to BioWare’s celebrated Dragon Age game series, from the Lead Writer of the games!

The second leg of King Alistair’s quest begins, as he and his companions learn more of the true fate of King Maric. Traveling by sea to swamps beyond the reach of civilization, Alistair, Isabela, and Varric pass their last chance to turn back as they encounter a dragon and the witch who may be behind everything!

• Story by David Gaider, lead writer of Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II!
• An essential addition to the Dragon Age canon!
• Exclusive to the Dark Horse Digital Store!

Writers: David Gaider, Alexander Freed
Artist: Chad Hardin
Colorist: Michael Atiyeh
Cover Artists: Ramil Sunga and Nick Thornborrow

So at a minimum thats another Witch of the Wilds. Whether thats Morrigan or not, who knows. She seems to have a mucked up hand though- I wonder if its not some allusion to their power in shapeshifting, maybe into dragons? Kind of like that original concept art of Flemeth for DA2 had her arm all dragon like?

Morri's long-lost sister?

[Megaton_Hope]

Speaking of Morrigan research...I'm not goin' back over 500 pages to look, but has anybody had a thorough conversation with the Ash Warrior at Ostagar? It seems the Ash Warriors date back to one Luthias Dwarfson:

http://dragonage.wik...uthias_Dwarfson

Luthias led his tribe to many victories, until eventually he replaced his foster father as chief of his tribe. This peace would not last. During a feast between the tribal leaders of the Alamarri and the Avvar, the beautiful and powerful Avvar chieftain, Morrighan'nan, became enamored with Luthias and seduced him. Scaea learned of the tryst and fled the village to return to Orzammar. When Luthias rebuffed Morrighan'nan's offer of marriage, she left in great anger, and from that moment on, there was war between the two tribes.

Having already talked to Morrigan about Flemeth's relationship with Cormac, and the war with the Chasind, this seemed... unusual, to say the least. I either hadn't extended the conversation this far or hadn't paid much attention in earlier games.

[Brockololly]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Speaking of Morrigan research...I'm not goin' back over 500 pages to look, but has anybody had a thorough conversation with the Ash Warrior at Ostagar? It seems the Ash Warriors date back to one Luthias Dwarfson:

http://dragonage.wik...uthias_Dwarfson

Luthias led his tribe to many victories, until eventually he replaced his foster father as chief of his tribe. This peace would not last. During a feast between the tribal leaders of the Alamarri and the Avvar, the beautiful and powerful Avvar chieftain, Morrighan'nan, became enamored with Luthias and seduced him. Scaea learned of the tryst and fled the village to return to Orzammar. When Luthias rebuffed Morrighan'nan's offer of marriage, she left in great anger, and from that moment on, there was war between the two tribes.

Having already talked to Morrigan about Flemeth's relationship with Cormac, and the war with the Chasind, this seemed... unusual, to say the least. I either hadn't extended the conversation this far or hadn't paid much attention in earlier games.

As I recall, somebody brought this up shortly after Origins came out when Gaider and the other devs actively posted quite a bit. Apparently that bit of lore was written really early on in development of DAO and the similar names are apparently a coincidence.

[Jarlof Seoul]

I just read issue #2 of the Dark Horse DA comic and --sniff-- no new Morrigan news!

[Brockololly]

[quote]Jarlof Seoul wrote...

I just read issue #2 of the Dark Horse DA comic and --sniff-- no new Morrigan news!
[/quote]


Haven't read it yet, but didn't they reveal that Maric is still alive? I'm guessing Flemeth will come into the fold soon then.

In other news, Nick Thornborrow, one of the artists at BioWare who did most of the cutscene stylized art for DA2 posted this on his twitter:


With the caption: "“New art up in the office. This is a piece I did last spring, of Dragon Age's Morrigan.”
[/quote]

So if he did that last spring, its more than likely more proof they're doing something in the future with Morrigan.


And not directly DA related but something I found interesting as it relates to the likely future of having some new PC meet up with Morrigan as opposed to the Warden.

An article on Valve coming up with ideas for Portal 2:
[quote]
Valve have talked a few times in the past about how Portal 2 almost  didn’t feature portals at all. The game was also due not to feature  Chell, nor GlaDOS. Which to hear sounds just completely insane. That’s
partly because it is. But it’s interesting to realise how Valve reached  that place. They, Chet Faliszek pointed out, had lived with GlaDOS for years.  While the player had spent a couple of hours in her company, the  developers had heard her autotuned tones incessently for a huge portion  of their lives. Forgetting to look outside of their own bubble, they’d  transfered their own weariness onto the players, who of course wanted  nothing more of the character that had so entertained them for such a  short amount of time.

Chell was more complex. While playtesters instantly baulked at the  absence of the evil robot, none cared at all that they werent Chell. One early build of the game had you wake up in front of a mirror, revealing a long-haired girl in a different coloured jumpsuit, clearly not the  previous protagonist. Known internally as Mel, players were happy to be  her… until a certain point. The moment they met GlaDOS. As the  malevolent machine awakes and doesnt recognise the player, suddenly they were thrown out of the experience. And Chell was put back in.[/quote]

I find that stuff interesting because Valve is notorious for playtesting their games to death. And  so I find it interesting that they found that people disliked not having GlaDOS recognize Chell from Portal when they had a different player character. In my mind, thats not too different than playing Dragon Age 2 and coming across so many of the cameos there of people from Origins, where as the player you have a disconnect of being excited to see a certain character but since you're stuck as a new PC, you can't have any in game reaction.

Assuming Morrigan comes back in the future, I can guess any "reunion" would likely be the same- as the player you may be hyped to see Morrigan, but then the disconnect will rear its ugly head when you realize this version of Morrigan is effectively completely different  since she won't have any prior history to the new PC. You won't have any awesome moment like you have in Portal 2 when GlaDOS reunites with Chell and recognizes who she is after Chell killed her in Portal.

And then that first part of the interview, where Portal 2 originally wasn't going to have GlaDOS or Chell or even portals because the devs wanted to do something different; I get the feeling that was the case with DAO to DA2, in the sense that DAO was in development for so long that BioWare just got sick of it after a while and went on the course they went with DA2 before Origins even released, not necessarily realizing that the end user hadn't been exposed to the game that whole time. I get the impression sometimes that BioWare is somewhat insular like that at times.

Modifié par Brockololly, 09 mars 2012 - 03:26 .

[Addai]

*peeks in*

Silent Grove spoilers



They do imply that Maric is alive and is a prisoner of the Crows. In the 2nd issue they break into a Crows prison and in the last panel, Alistair finds a man in a cell and says "KING MARIC?!" The old man (who does look like it could be Maric) says something like "it's too late, far too late." End comic. So, that could mean that the man you see is not actually Maric, for example the guy is saying "you're too late to save Maric," or it could be Maric who's in the cell and he's just being emo about something else.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...
They do imply that Maric is alive and is a prisoner of the Crows. In the 2nd issue they break into a Crows prison and in the last panel, Alistair finds a man in a cell and says "KING MARIC?!" The old man (who does look like it could be Maric) says something like "it's too late, far too late." End comic. So, that could mean that the man you see is not actually Maric, for example the guy is saying "you're too late to save Maric," or it could be Maric who's in the cell and he's just being emo about something else.

Ahh... ok. I'll wager its not Maric then, but just some dude that probably knew Maric was there at some point but is now dead. Making the dead kingly looking corpse on the cover Maric. That seems like a pretty standard cliffhanger wanting you to think its Maric only for them to pull the rug out when the next issue hits where the Maric look alike will probably tell Alistair where dead Maric's final resting place is, at which point Flemeth will probably come into the picture, say some cryptic stuff about Maric's promise to her and resolve nothing.

[Addai]

I think it's probably Maric. It says that when the old man looks up at Alistair, Alistair sees a "flash of recognition" in his eyes. Something I forgot is that the panel actually ends with Alistair thinking "And with that I learn that my quest has failed." My guess and interpretation is, he's trying to find out something about the darkspawn or Wardens (maybe the Architect), learns that there's a prisoner who knows something about it, and doesn't realize til he sees him that the prisoner is Maric.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 mars 2012 - 04:54 .

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

I think it's probably Maric. It says that when the old man looks up at Alistair, Alistair sees a "flash of recognition" in his eyes. Something I forgot is that the panel actually ends with Alistair thinking "And with that I learn that my quest has failed." My guess and interpretation is, he's trying to find out something about the darkspawn or Wardens (maybe the Architect), learns that there's a prisoner who knows something about it, and doesn't realize til he sees him that the prisoner is Maric.

Granted, I haven't read it so you may be right. It just seems like an almost GRRM type chapter ending cliffhanger to have the reader think: "Oh, its clearly Maric!" Only to switch it up in the next chapter with "Oh, its not actually Maric." Kind of like in SoS where you have that one chapter with Arya outside the RW end where its phrased to seem like she's about to get cut down with an ax when in reality its the flat side of an ax she gets hit with.

Maybe I'm expecting too much out of Gaider's writing to be comparing him to GRRM:lol: