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[ximena]

Drawing morrigan does not need a reason. Haha.

[DiegoRaphael]

 Well, Morrigan was finally mentioned on the Silent Grove Comic.
SPOILERS SILENT GROVE #4






The interesting thing is that Yavana knows about Morrigan.Alistair says he knows that Flemmeth possesses her daughters, that he helped her stop it.
Yavana simply respond "That poor confused child. It is a gift."

And then there is some interesting things about the dragons, that i think will end to an conclusion some ppl already made in this topic.

[ximena]

Just read the Silent Grove. I think "the gift" and "possession" might have something to do with dragon's blood. Maybe it's like the joining dragon blood version.

I also snipped the said panel.

[Who is that Masked Man]

Yeah, I've been waiting for a Morrigan reference in this comic. Brief though it was I was still happy just to get one.

Makes me wonder if Morrigan really was "confused," or if it's just that Yavana is brainwashed by Flemeth. Or maybe a little bit of both? Even if being possessed by Flemeth really is super awesome (for whatever reason), I could see Morrigan being unwilling to give up control.

Also, what, Flemeth is a super-powered ecologist now... preserving the dragons for the good of the world? Hum. I think there might just be a dark ritual connection here. "Some things are worth preserving" and all that.

[Brockololly]

DiegoRaphael wrote...
The interesting thing is that Yavana knows about Morrigan.Alistair says he knows that Flemmeth possesses her daughters, that he helped her stop it.
Yavana simply respond "That poor confused child. It is a gift."

And then there is some interesting things about the dragons, that i think will end to an conclusion some ppl already made in this topic.

Hmmm... yeah. FWIW, you can see the first several pages on Dark Horse's website.

So somebody go ahead and completely spoil it for me. Does Yavana say anything else of interest? What else about Dragons?

ximena wrote...

Just read the Silent Grove. I think "the  gift" and "possession" might have something to do with dragon's blood.  Maybe it's like the joining dragon blood version.
 I also snipped the said panel.

The whole "gift" thing just reminds me of Uldred claiming that accepting the demons and becoming an abomination was a "gift." 

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Yeah, I've been waiting for a Morrigan reference in this comic. Brief though it was I was still happy just to get one.

Makes me wonder if Morrigan really was "confused," or if it's just that  Yavana is brainwashed by Flemeth. Or maybe a little bit of both? Even if being possessed by Flemeth really is super awesome (for whatever  reason), I could see Morrigan being unwilling to give up control.

Also, what, Flemeth is a super-powered ecologist now... preserving the  dragons for the good of the world? Hum. I think there might just be a  dark ritual connection here. "Some things are worth preserving" and all  that.

So, questions:

1. How does Yavana know Morrigan? Morrigan stayed in Ferelden her whole life so it stands to reason she never met Yavana. Unless we're thinking that Morrigan has since met Yavana after the events of Witch Hunt or between the end of Origins and Witch Hunt?

2. Has Yavana actually met Morrigan or just heard of her? She states that she is her sister but is she older than Morrigan?

Beyond that (I haven't read beyond that little preview), I'm guessing that Morrigan and the DR is something thats basically circumventing Flemeth's ritual. Probably the whole posession thing grants the other Witches of the Wild some greater power and connection to the dragons but at the cost of possibly giving up your free will to Flemeth or maybe acting as a vessel ready for being taken up by Flemeth, in the event Flemeth gets killed, like DA2?

I'll guess Flemeth wants to preserve the dragons and keep them under her control for some self serving reason and Morrigan via the OGB is trying to break Flemeth's control over the dragons and bring things to a natural balance or something.

So basically, I wouldn't be surprise if Yavana basically **is** possessed by Flemeth in some way, but possibly not actively. The whole exchange regarding possession and it being a "gift" is almost exactly the same idea of what Uldred said when he was already possessed by the pride demon.

And I'll take a wild guess and say that whatever happened to Maric, is what will happen to the Warden that went through the Eluvian. Looking at the DA wiki it says this regarding the rest of the issue (correct me if I'm missing something):

Yavana discusses Flemeth, her mother, and Morrigan, her sister, before Alistair demands answers about Maric.  Yavana leads them to the Silent Grove, explaining it is a haven for dragons who would otherwise be hunted to  extinction by mankind. Isabela mocks this, and Yavana tells her that the blood of the dragons is the blood of the world. She goes on to explain  that Flemeth saved Maric's life during the Fereldan rebellion, and made him promise that he would come to Yavana once his children  came of age. She explains that she needed him as she could not "complete her task alone." Upon Varric's questioning, Yavana says that she did  not kill Maric, but she cannot speak for others. She refuses to say any  more, advising Alistair to abandon his quest, as what he seeks is  forever beyond his reach.

The bit about Maric being beyond his reach makes it sound like being in some place beyond the Fade, in Eluvian land maybe?

But I'd be underwhelmed if all Flemeth is doing is just protecting some widdle dragons from big bad poachers. Granted, I haven't read this yet (maybe I'll cave and get it) but it seems to not really answer any major questions but just provide more questions....is that fair to say? 2 issues left of course but does the issue end with the prospect of any more Witch of the Wilds/dragon answers? Any signs of Flemeth? Or are they just dragging out the whole Maric thing?


Oh and...

ximena wrote...



Drawing morrigan does not need a reason. Haha.

Hoooooray for new Morrigan art!

Modifié par Brockololly, 04 avril 2012 - 11:23 .

[DiegoRaphael]

SPOILER SILENT GROVE#4

The comic ends with Alistair being capturated by prince Claudio and the Crows, that followed them to find the way to the Silent Grove.Varric and Isabela (who is hurt) are left behind in an agreement between Alistair and Claudio, but of course they will follow...

And what i said about "a conclusion some ppl already made" i was talking about the theory that maybe, the dragons were humans, they were turned by Flemeth for some reason. Maybe she wants an army of dragons, i don't know. Maybe this dragon they encountered is Maric.

I don't remember if i read this theory here or another place... But i don't know if this theory makes too much sense...

[Brockololly]

DiegoRaphael wrote...
And what i said about "a conclusion some ppl already made" i was talking about the theory that maybe, the dragons were humans, they were turned by Flemeth for some reason. Maybe she wants an army of dragons, i don't know. Maybe this dragon they encountered is Maric.

I don't remember if i read this theory here or another place... But i don't know if this theory makes too much sense...

Yeah I think I brought up that idea.

But doesn't Yavana call the dragon "she"? Seems that would preclude it being Dragon Maric. I'm guessing Yavana ends up turning into a dragon or something and then breaking Alistair out of whatever trouble he's gotten into. That other dragon will probably come along to and when shapeshift to reveal Flemeth or something.

[Jarlof Seoul]

Well, I read Silent Grove #4 and well, the above posts capture it all. I for one am glad Gaider/Bioware allowed a story where the possession and party reaction "doing something about it" was acknowledged. Yevana is a nice looking interesting gal, variation on the Morrigan theme. As to the relationship of the Dragons to Thedas and the World, its all shaping up nicely for future DA material, especially with the Mages and Templars at each others throats. Nice comics until the anime movie comes out and by then I hope for some insight into DA3. I'll need to get back in here tomorrow to digests Brock's dissertation and questions on what it all means :-)

[Jarlof Seoul]

ximena wrote...



Drawing morrigan does not need a reason. Haha.

very nice. as always Xi!

[Who is that Masked Man]

I think it's fair to say that this comic continues to raise more questions than it answers, so far.

It isn't clear whether Yavana has actually met Morrigan, or has simply heard about her from Flemeth. It's super-duper unclear what's going on with Flemeth and her daughters and the dragons.

Yavana claims that "the blood of the dragons is the blood of the world," and that if the dragons were destroyed, "mankind would destroy itself." But instead of elaborating, she just says that this is beyond the party's comprehension. Alistair's rejoinder: "Meaning you don't understand it either, but it's what your mother told you." Yavana doesn't bother to deny that.

All in all, smacks of Flemeth being manipulative, to me. I really doubt her motives are as altruistic as Yavana seems to believe.

Also of note: Yavana says the dragon stopped attacking Alistair, not because Yavana made it stop, but because "She can smell the old blood in you, son of kings." A possible link between the line of Calenhad and the dragons, I guess.

Anywho, there's no sign of Flemeth herself yet, but I would definitely say that there's potential for more Witch of the Wilds answers. Before taking Alistair, Claudio mentions that this is NOT Crow business, and that he has a master who has been looking for the Silent Grove for years. So it doesn't seem like Yavana and whatnot will turn out to be a mere tangent.

[Lord_Anthonior]

I believe Morrigan does mention in the game that the blood of the dragon is a gift, when unlocking the reaver specialization at the mountains she makes a comment before or after drinking the blood alas... I can't find that video on youtube, I saw it long time ago...

To sound a bit like Darth vader:"...sister....so Morrigan have a (not twin)...sister" hehe interesting.

Modifié par Lord_Anthonior, 05 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[ximena]

The comic does raise more questions than answer it.

And I find it amusing that Varric voices out my thoughts perfectly.

[Who is that Masked Man]

Yeah, it's been this way since the end of DAO. If there's anything that Morrigan, Flemeth, and Yavana can all agree on, its that important plot points must never be explained with any statement scoring less than a 7 out of 10 WTFs on the Cryptic Garbage Scale.

Still hoping for more answers in the last two issues. I'll be very annoyed, if not entirely surprised, if none are forthcoming.

[Addai]

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Yeah, it's been this way since the end of DAO. If there's anything that Morrigan, Flemeth, and Yavana can all agree on, its that important plot points must never be explained with any statement scoring less than a 7 out of 10 WTFs on the Cryptic Garbage Scale.

Still hoping for more answers in the last two issues. I'll be very annoyed, if not entirely surprised, if none are forthcoming.

LOL  So true.

I'm about 2 of 10 on the caring scale but do people think these heroes might be disappearing into a Fade version of Valhalla, preparing for some sort of ragnarok?

[Jarlof Seoul]

Addai67 wrote...

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Yeah, it's been this way since the end of DAO. If there's anything that Morrigan, Flemeth, and Yavana can all agree on, its that important plot points must never be explained with any statement scoring less than a 7 out of 10 WTFs on the Cryptic Garbage Scale.

Still hoping for more answers in the last two issues. I'll be very annoyed, if not entirely surprised, if none are forthcoming.

LOL  So true.

I'm about 2 of 10 on the caring scale but do people think these heroes might be disappearing into a Fade version of Valhalla, preparing for some sort of ragnarok?

Ragnarok? I got a flashback to the Final battle and ending of Lord of Destruciton with its Wagnerian-style music. I can picture Morrigan as Brunhilda setting herself aflame as she realizes she killed her true love, the Warden "Siegfried.' 

Modifié par Jarlof Seoul, 06 avril 2012 - 07:47 .

[Blazingkats]

Hey was there any mention of Morrigan in the DA panel at PAX?

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

I'm about 2 of 10 on the caring scale but do people think these heroes might be disappearing into a Fade version of Valhalla, preparing for some sort of ragnarok?

That would be an interesting possibility. I know others have suggested something of the sort since everyone seems to disappear. Like maybe Flemeth is collecting heroes? But then again, I don't know why Hawke would be included in this Fade Valhalla since he/she didn't do anything.

I definitely think they have an awesome opportunity to do cool stuff with old player characters going forward if they let the player control them in sequels. Like having a Starcraft style campaign showing one set of events from 3 points of view via controlling 3 different player characters. But I doubt that'll ever happen.

Loading_Ammo wrote...

Hey was there any mention of Morrigan in the DA panel at PAX?

From what I've gathered there wasn't anything , but I haven't heard or read that much beyond the same sort of things they mentioned at NYCC in the fall (no recycled environments, semi-customizable armor for companions, "choices that matter").

They did apparently mention that should they bring the Warden back they might have an option to choose the Warden's voice. But that brings up a whole other set of isses:sick:

Well, I guess one of the people at the panel tweeted this:

DA Panel: Gaider states that the cast of DA3 (if it existed) would consist of old favorites and new faces as well. Hints again at Orlais.

So I guess you could include Morrigan in there as an old favorite...

Modifié par Brockololly, 07 avril 2012 - 04:03 .

[TobiTobsen]

Brockololly wrote...

Well, I guess one of the people at the panel tweeted this:

DA Panel: Gaider states that the cast of DA3 (if it existed) would consist of old favorites and new faces as well. Hints again at Orlais.

So I guess you could include Morrigan in there as an old favorite...

LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU!

There is no Morrigan without the Warden. Do you hear me BioWare? I won't accept that! <_<

[Brockololly]

Of note, Laidlaw answered some questions on twitter after the panel yesterday including this one:

Q3, from Dawn of the Seeker Q&A: Will DotS have any info about Morrigan?

Q4: Nope, Morrigan's only for the games. Too personal for a fixed script. Can confirm there WILL be more of her story coming.

[ximena]

There's a part of me that wishes Morri would stay in Eluvianworld forever. Out of worry I won't like what happens after she steps out of there. Haha.

[Who is that Masked Man]

Laidlaw's "can confirm there WILL be more" Morrigan quote is basically the same thing they've been saying for years. Akways nice to hear they haven't forgotten her, though.

Also I am now lowering my expectations even further for any more Morrigan info in Silent Grove, since she's "only for the games."

[Brockololly]

ximena wrote...

There's a part of me that wishes Morri would stay in Eluvianworld forever. Out of worry I won't like what happens after she steps out of there. Haha.

Haha- yes, considering how they'll likely sex up Morrigan's look to ridiculous proportions or handwave away the Warden or (even worse) make the Warden an out of character voiced cameo....yeah, Witch Hunt provided a fine "Ride off into the sunset" ending. I'd be perfectly content if they left it at that.

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Laidlaw's "can confirm
there WILL be more" Morrigan quote is basically the same thing they've  been saying for years. Akways nice to hear they haven't forgotten her,  though.

Also I am now lowering my expectations even further for  any more Morrigan info in Silent Grove, since she's "only for the  games."

I guess whatever may be revealed in Silent Grove could shed more light on what Morrigan's plans actually are, if they shed more light on what Flemeth's plans are. Considering we know really next to nothing about what Morrigan's plans are in Eluvian Land, beyond nebulously "gaining power" to somehow oppose Flemeth. But who the heck knows what they really means in real terms?

Modifié par Brockololly, 07 avril 2012 - 03:35 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...

ximena wrote...

There's a part of me that wishes Morri would stay in Eluvianworld forever. Out of worry I won't like what happens after she steps out of there. Haha.

Haha- yes, considering how they'll likely sex up Morrigan's look to ridiculous proportions or handwave away the Warden or (even worse) make the Warden an out of character voiced cameo....yeah, Witch Hunt provided a fine "Ride off into the sunset" ending. I'd be perfectly content if they left it at that.

Morrigan was already sexed up in Origins (never was a fan of her outfit, thank God for mods).

Honestly for me, it was Witch Hunt that ruined the ending as it kept it way too open. My character didn't go into the mirror primarily for her, he had an objective in mind, which I won't be able to play out or see. It brought back Morrigan and the Warden and now we can't have one without asking ourselves what happened to th other.

Origins proper left me with a much more satisfying bittersweet ending. I had accepted the fact that my Warden and Morrigan would never see each other again. Witch Hunt ruined it all because they once again wrote themselves into a corner.

[Who is that Masked Man]

David Gaider answers some questions about the new Dragon Age game.

David Gaider wrote...

Will the Morrigan plot ever get resolved?

Absolutely. Enough teasing, am I right?

He's right.

And I, for one, welcome further Morrigan-related developments! I think by and large the re-use of old characters has worked out pretty well.

King Alistair/Drunk Alistair/Warden Alistair? All cool.

Zevran waging a one-man war against the Crows, and kicking ass? Awesome.

Seeker!Leliana? I was skeptical at first, but Asunder helped win me over.

Anders? Um. Well, I never said there wouldn't be some risk.

But the priiiiiize...

[Brockololly]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Morrigan was already sexed up in Origins (never was a fan of her outfit, thank God for mods).

Oh, but considering how Yavana looks or Flemeth looks in DA2, Morrigan will no doubt get Hot Rod Samurai'd:


Hell, I made that stupid little picture like last year or something and thats pretty much what they designed Yavana as. They have the opportunity to design an entirely new Witch of the Wilds in an entirely new geographic area and what do they do? Hair horns? Check. Ridiculously big boobs, complete with corset? Check. Pointless spikey armor bits? Check.  Meh.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Honestly for me, it was Witch Hunt that ruined the ending as it kept it way too open. My character didn't go into the mirror primarily for her, he had an objective in mind, which I won't be able to play out or see. It brought back Morrigan and the Warden and now we can't have one without asking ourselves what happened to th other.

Origins proper left me with a much more satisfying bittersweet ending. I had accepted the fact that my Warden and Morrigan would never see each other again. Witch Hunt ruined it all because they once again wrote themselves into a corner.

Yeah, and I'd be fine if we never saw Morrigan or the Warden ever again after Witch Hunt. I'm ok with that. Of course, we'll be seeing Morrigan again and possibly the Warden, but as an NPC and probably with a voice. Thats awful.

Because like you said, a Warden's motivations with Morrigan could be quite complex. Going into the Eluvian doesn't just mean you want to trail her around making kissy faces all day. Since the player has virtually no knowledge as to what Morrigan's plans are or what lies beyond the Eluvian, that choice is a massive leap of faith- in game for the Warden and Morrigan but also externally, for the writers not to **** over the player with a stupid GOTCHA moment. "Oh, your Warden went into the Eluvian? He instagibbed when he set foot in there. Or he died of the Taint in there..."

You could just as easily have had your Warden go with Morrigan to make sure she doesn't start something stupid and to put her down if need be. Hell, that'd be pretty damn bittersweet or tragic. Or if your Warden wanted to take an active role in parenting the OGB and shape him up into a big time leader. BioWare effectively left those possibilities open to the player though because they did not provide enough information on what that choice might actually involve.

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

David Gaider answers some questions about the new Dragon Age game.

David Gaider wrote...

Will the Morrigan plot ever get resolved?

Absolutely. Enough teasing, am I right?

He's right.

And
I, for one, welcome further Morrigan-related developments! I think by
and large the re-use of old characters has worked out pretty well.

King Alistair/Drunk Alistair/Warden Alistair? All cool.

Zevran waging a one-man war against the Crows, and kicking ass? Awesome.

Seeker!Leliana? I was skeptical at first, but Asunder helped win me over.

Anders? Um. Well, I never said there wouldn't be some risk.

But the priiiiiize...

Anders was terrible, mostly because the character arc was not handled well at all I thought. He should have started out more like Awakening Anders and allowed the player to slowly see his progression, with the merging of Justic happening on screen- "Show, don't tell."

But the problem with Alistair, Leliana and Zevran is that in all instances they more or less handwave away the existence of the Warden if they were a love interest. And in that respect, thats likely what they'll end up doing with the Warden and Morrigan, which is complete BS.

Gaider also posted this:

If Morrigan had a child, then any involvement of Morrigan in the plot
would need to take that child into account. And, yes, that would have to
be more than an off-hand mention by her of having a child stowed away
in some extra-dimensional cupboard.

Of course, no mention of the Warden father in any of these scenarios...