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[Master Shiori]

fenderstrat6 wrote...

I hear ya Brock, I think she better wear a hood from now on,best for her to keep a low profile, in DA2 i think morrigan going to find more then just her lover trying to pick-up her trail , be it man or beast or flemeth , or all of the above , looking for her an child , she'll end up getting in trouble , then who do u think she is going to turn to , her broken hearted lover boy chump that's who .

Indeed.

Only this time my Warden won't just agree to help out of the goodness of his heart. If Morrigan wants me to make sacrifices saving her and her plan then she better be ready to make equal sacrifice in return.

[Addai]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
And he/she is a Grey Warden lest we forget.  She wanted to attract the essence of something he was sworn to defeat AT ALL COST and was allowed to remian absolutely silent in a matter that...well...mattered. 

Now, I understand that some Warden characters may not have taken that oath seriously due to the compulsion of his/her enlistment into the Wardens, or that somehow love trumped Wardenly duty, but in the latter it was certainly not the case with Morrigan (irony intended), so why should a Warden be any different?

Maybe it's not the appropriate discussion for this thread, but I don't see it as a Grey Warden duty to defeat the Old Gods if they're untainted.  A Chantry duty, perhaps, but not a GW one.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
And he/she is a Grey Warden lest we forget.  She wanted to attract the essence of something he was sworn to defeat AT ALL COST and was allowed to remian absolutely silent in a matter that...well...mattered. 

Now, I understand that some Warden characters may not have taken that oath seriously due to the compulsion of his/her enlistment into the Wardens, or that somehow love trumped Wardenly duty, but in the latter it was certainly not the case with Morrigan (irony intended), so why should a Warden be any different?

Maybe it's not the appropriate discussion for this thread, but I don't see it as a Grey Warden duty to defeat the Old Gods if they're untainted.  A Chantry duty, perhaps, but not a GW one.

It can be interpretted both ways. This is afterall an unprecedented event and we can't really refer to the Wardens and what they would do with such a case.

On one hand, you are not killing an Old God, perhaps allowing it to become a future threat (the old God do not have to be tainted to call for the darkspawn via the Calling).
On the other, you are purifying it from the taint and possibly finding a way to eliminate the blights once and for all.

So it depends on perspective. Although the Wardens in high ranks will probably be suspicious towards this.  

[Master Shiori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
And he/she is a Grey Warden lest we forget.  She wanted to attract the essence of something he was sworn to defeat AT ALL COST and was allowed to remian absolutely silent in a matter that...well...mattered. 

Now, I understand that some Warden characters may not have taken that oath seriously due to the compulsion of his/her enlistment into the Wardens, or that somehow love trumped Wardenly duty, but in the latter it was certainly not the case with Morrigan (irony intended), so why should a Warden be any different?

Maybe it's not the appropriate discussion for this thread, but I don't see it as a Grey Warden duty to defeat the Old Gods if they're untainted.  A Chantry duty, perhaps, but not a GW one.

It can be interpretted both ways. This is afterall an unprecedented event and we can't really refer to the Wardens and what they would do with such a case.

On one hand, you are not killing an Old God, perhaps allowing it to become a future threat (the old God do not have to be tainted to call for the darkspawn via the Calling).
On the other, you are purifying it from the taint and possibly finding a way to eliminate the blights once and for all.

So it depends on perspective. Although the Wardens in high ranks will probably be suspicious towards this.  

So it basically comes down to a similar dillema like the one we had with Architect.

Sparing him was also a risk but one that could result in a potential payoff for all. However, unlike the Architect who actually tried to explain his action and plans, we have no idea what a freed Old God might do.
Morrigan most likely hopes to use it to weaken or destroy the Chantry's hold over Thedas, but there's no guarantee the Old God would really be willing to aid her or that it would not pursue a much darker goal.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...
Maybe it's not the appropriate discussion for this thread, but I don't see it as a Grey Warden duty to defeat the Old Gods if they're untainted.  A Chantry duty, perhaps, but not a GW one.

Its issues like this that make me really hope that the Old God Baby, Morrigan and the Warden play a substantial role in DA2.

Like KnightofPhoenix mentioned, you can look at it a couple ways. On one hand, killing the Old Gods in untainted form would surely prevent them from ever becoming tainted and thus presumably preventing any Blights before they can start. This is basically what the Architect sought in the Calling and you had Grey Wardens like Bregan and Utha willing to help. Ultimately is it not the duty of the Grey Wardens to stop/prevent Blights, no matter the cost?

On the other hand, it is a seemingly unprecedented occurence of having an Old God in human form like Morrigan's Old God Baby- does that mean the OGB would still be susceptible to being tainted by the darkspawn? Would it still call out to the darkspawn? It seems that so long as the Old Gods call out to the darkspawn and the darkspawn are drawn to the song of the Old Gods, then they'd have to worry about Blights. So would killing all the Old Gods be the best thing to do in the name of preventing future Blights? Or would "awakening" the Darkspawn like the Architect seeks to do be a better alternative? EVen in that case though, it would seem an "awakened" darkspawn might either be crazy like the Mother and still seek out the Old Gods.

In any event, its interesting, unexplored questions like that that I hope Bioware explores in the future- there is still plenty of stuff left to explore with our Warden...

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...
So it basically comes down to a similar dillema like the one we had with Architect.

Sparing him was also a risk but one that could result in a potential payoff for all. However, unlike the Architect who actually tried to explain his action and plans, we have no idea what a freed Old God might do.
Morrigan most likely hopes to use it to weaken or destroy the Chantry's hold over Thedas, but there's no guarantee the Old God would really be willing to aid her or that it would not pursue a much darker goal.

Yeah- provided that we get more of Morrigan and the Old God Baby, it will be interesting to see if whatever it is Morrigan had planned with the Dark Ritual and everything actually goes according to her plan.  I could see something happening where maybe something goes awry and Morrigan needs to seek out the Warden again for help- a possibility at least.

I know Morrigan has no love for the Chantry, but my biggest problem with her possibly using the OGB as a means to usurp Chantry power in Thedas is that throughout the game Morrigan is all about obtaining power as a means towards survival. Regardless of power, surely challenging the Chantry with the OGB would draw attention to her and jeopardize her own survival with the Chantry and Templars from all over Thedas trying to wipe out the apostate Witch and her Old God Baby? Maybe the power of the OGB is so great that she sees it as a means to finally end her having to fear Templars hunting down apostates and such- we shall see.

It will be interesting to see how the Old God Baby is treated too- will it be like a demon controlling the child, with its own consciousness and memory of its past?  Or will it be just like a normal kid with really amazing magical powers?

[facialstrokage]

Brockololly wrote...

I know Morrigan has no love for the Chantry, but my biggest problem with her possibly using the OGB as a means to usurp Chantry power in Thedas is that throughout the game Morrigan is all about obtaining power as a means towards survival. Regardless of power, surely challenging the Chantry with the OGB would draw attention to her and jeopardize her own survival with the Chantry and Templars from all over Thedas trying to wipe out the apostate Witch and her Old God Baby? Maybe the power of the OGB is so great that she sees it as a means to finally end her having to fear Templars hunting down apostates and such- we shall see.

She also says that "power has meaning." I think she's more interested than just survival.

[Barbarossa2010]

Addai67 wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
And he/she is a Grey Warden lest we forget.  She wanted to attract the essence of something he was sworn to defeat AT ALL COST and was allowed to remian absolutely silent in a matter that...well...mattered. 

Now, I understand that some Warden characters may not have taken that oath seriously due to the compulsion of his/her enlistment into the Wardens, or that somehow love trumped Wardenly duty, but in the latter it was certainly not the case with Morrigan (irony intended), so why should a Warden be any different?

Maybe it's not the appropriate discussion for this thread, but I don't see it as a Grey Warden duty to defeat the Old Gods if they're untainted.  A Chantry duty, perhaps, but not a GW one.

This seems as good a thread as any for this discussion.

We don't know which duty it is.  We only have Morrigan's word that she will not expound upon, that attracting this "essence" will allow the old god to be born "apart from the taint."  Being that the Ritual was handled poorly (again imo only), Morrigan appears to be hiding something of grave importance.  What that is, is the crux.  My Warden, for lack of a better term, was too unschooled in matters of magic (especially "the old ways") or the deepest trenches of lore, to truly understand what she was asking.  I doubt anyone really has that level of knowledge though.  As such, Duncan and Riordan were the only voices of Wardenly reason he could hear in his head at that point.  We do not know who the authentic voice of reason is yet, whether it be Chantry or the "old ways." We don't know very much at all.  Everything is speculation based upon whatever assumptions one begins with. 

Regarding the Architect, Barbarossa actually took his deal.  Based on a specific set of assumption, it seemed the best thing to do vice killing him.  He came across sincere, and his desire to end Blights was noble.  Now certainly, the cost of that is yet to be determined, but my Warden figured he could deal with the Architect later through negotiation or force as necessary.  The Architect also at least acknowledged that he realized what he was asking was a great act of faith on the part of the Warden.  Had Morrigan in as sincere way done the same, most concerns would have been alleviated.  He stated that he desired to end the song to end Blights. Morrigan said she desired only to "preserve" something; something quite frankly Barbarossa didn't understand and something she clearly wasn't going to educate him on.

Anyway interesting discussion on the meat of the matter.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 02 mai 2010 - 09:33 .

[Barbarossa2010]

double post.  apologies.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 02 mai 2010 - 09:29 .

[Addai]

facialstrokage wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

I know Morrigan has no love for the Chantry, but my biggest problem with her possibly using the OGB as a means to usurp Chantry power in Thedas is that throughout the game Morrigan is all about obtaining power as a means towards survival. Regardless of power, surely challenging the Chantry with the OGB would draw attention to her and jeopardize her own survival with the Chantry and Templars from all over Thedas trying to wipe out the apostate Witch and her Old God Baby? Maybe the power of the OGB is so great that she sees it as a means to finally end her having to fear Templars hunting down apostates and such- we shall see.

She also says that "power has meaning." I think she's more interested than just survival.

She mostly seems interested in increasing her own power as a means of self-defense, however.  In order to remain independent from forces that would rule over her, be it the Chantry or Flemeth.  Her response to Alistair if he does the DR and asks if the child will show up some year and try to take power reassures me that she isn't out to rule the world.  She says rather sarcastically, "Of that you have my word."  As if the very idea seems ridiculous to her.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

facialstrokage wrote...

She also says that "power has meaning." I think she's more interested than just survival.

She mostly seems interested in increasing her own power as a means of self-defense, however.  In order to remain independent from forces that would rule over her, be it the Chantry or Flemeth.  Her response to Alistair if he does the DR and asks if the child will show up some year and try to take power reassures me that she isn't out to rule the world.  She says rather sarcastically, "Of that you have my word."  As if the very idea seems ridiculous to her.

Yeah, as much as Morrigan is after power I don't believe she has any desire at all to obtain power as ameans to rule over people. Rather she seeks power as a means to protect her freedom and independence and to increase her odds at surviving in a world that has a decidedly negative outlook towards apostates. And that s not even considering the possibility of Morrigan maybe needing to defend herself from Flemeth possibly.

Now of course what Morrigan tells us in the DR scene has to be taken with a matter of trust; trusting that she will be true to her word and also trusting that her ritual goes according to plan and devoid of unforseen consequences. After all, the Architect arguably had good intentions in trying to stop the Blights and he ended up creating the Mother and starting the 5th Blight- oops. Could it be possible that in her search for power, Morrigan may have gotten in over her head, not unlike the Architect?

The one thing that worries me is if they make Morrigan into a Starcraft Kerrigan type villain- the old ally that ends up becoming the villain. Thats not to say that Bioware couldn't make a compelling story with something like that, but that just seems like it would be the very obvious and unsatisfactory route to take Morrigan. Maybe DA2 starts out with Morrigan portrayed as the enemy but once you track her down you see things from her POV? I just hope Bioware keeps things morally gray while not being too heavy with the ol' Plot Hammer.

[TheBlackBaron]

Brockololly wrote...
The one thing that worries me is if they make Morrigan into a Starcraft Kerrigan type villain- the old ally that ends up becoming the villain. Thats not to say that Bioware couldn't make a compelling story with something like that, but that just seems like it would be the very obvious and unsatisfactory route to take Morrigan. Maybe DA2 starts out with Morrigan portrayed as the enemy but once you track her down you see things from her POV? I just hope Bioware keeps things morally gray while not being too heavy with the ol' Plot Hammer.

It would also be interesting to see how the majority of the world would react to the Hero of Ferelden making a (in their eyes) Heel Face Turn. That was one thing I think DA:O missed the mark on slightly - despite Loghain declaring the Grey Wardens traitors, and with there being really very little way for anybody to know otherwise, the entire game world was pretty chill with it. Obviously, yes, there was a Blight going on, and there's no reason for the Dwarves or Dalish to give two ****s, but aside from a handful of random encounters it never played much of a role at all.

[standardpack]

Brockololly wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

facialstrokage wrote...

She also says that "power has meaning." I think she's more interested than just survival.

She mostly seems interested in increasing her own power as a means of self-defense, however.  In order to remain independent from forces that would rule over her, be it the Chantry or Flemeth.  Her response to Alistair if he does the DR and asks if the child will show up some year and try to take power reassures me that she isn't out to rule the world.  She says rather sarcastically, "Of that you have my word."  As if the very idea seems ridiculous to her.

Yeah, as much as Morrigan is after power I don't believe she has any desire at all to obtain power as ameans to rule over people. Rather she seeks power as a means to protect her freedom and independence and to increase her odds at surviving in a world that has a decidedly negative outlook towards apostates. And that s not even considering the possibility of Morrigan maybe needing to defend herself from Flemeth possibly.

Now of course what Morrigan tells us in the DR scene has to be taken with a matter of trust; trusting that she will be true to her word and also trusting that her ritual goes according to plan and devoid of unforseen consequences. After all, the Architect arguably had good intentions in trying to stop the Blights and he ended up creating the Mother and starting the 5th Blight- oops. Could it be possible that in her search for power, Morrigan may have gotten in over her head, not unlike the Architect?

The one thing that worries me is if they make Morrigan into a Starcraft Kerrigan type villain- the old ally that ends up becoming the villain. Thats not to say that Bioware couldn't make a compelling story with something like that, but that just seems like it would be the very obvious and unsatisfactory route to take Morrigan. Maybe DA2 starts out with Morrigan portrayed as the enemy but once you track her down you see things from her POV? I just hope Bioware keeps things morally gray while not being too heavy with the ol' Plot Hammer.

I was thinking it might be interesting if you as the warden where portrayed as a 'villain', of course you can't explain your reasons and all your friends try to hunt you down for answers.

[Brockololly]

I think its fair to say that most of us would like to see our Warden return and have direct continuity with DA2 to continue searching for Morrigan. In my procrastination of studying for exams, I was digging through the old forums and found a couple quotes from Gaider that I don't think I've posted before. At least it seems they want some sort of continuity between games, to what extent though? The quotes are some food for thought nevertheless:


"Quote: Posted 02/05/07 18:52 (GMT) by
LightzyBah, I dislike the idea of continuing a sequel with your original character and its choices.
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David Gaider wrote...
There'sno guarantee that this would be the case. What I'm talking about is, even if you start off with a new character, that what you've done in theoriginal game affects the world and/or your choices in the new game.

What if, for instance, you had a romance with an NPC(just as a hypothetical example) and this was the only way you could get a "child of the great hero" origin story in the sequel? Might be kind of cool. Or perhaps you
meet up with characters in the game who are different based on what happened to them in the first Dragon Age. Or the main villain in the sequel is different based on the first one's events? So long as there is
some kind of connection between the first and second game, that would be fine... it doesn't have to be a continuation of a set character."
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And the second quote from Dec 31, 2009:

Maria Caliban
wrote...
BioWare,

Feel free to totally violate my character and my game if doing so means DA: The Second Coming is a better game. I have DA:O; I've played my 60+ hours. I've had my story. My story shouldn't get in the way of DA:TSC's story.

There’s a cartoon series I love called Aeon Flux. In the second season, Aeon died at the end of every episode but one. And you know what? It didn’t bother me at all.


In Divine Divinity, I played the Divine One as a female warrior with a great deal of rogue skills. In Divinity 2, the Divine One is a blonde male named Lucian. You even interact with him in the game.

Know what? It fails to bother me.

David Gaider wrote...

Trueenough.

I'm not suggesting which way we will or won't go, but ashas been pointed out there are advantages and disadvantages to using the same player character/using a new character or using a canonical story/carrying forward player choices and there are numerous examples of both sides in RPG's that managed to do it-- and while there's always going to be a few people put out by whatever choice we make and claim they were violated (or, perhaps less dramatically, that they would have preferred something else) the important part when it comes to a series is a feeling that there is some kind of continuity that ties the titles together. Right now there are a lot of people emotionally invested in THIS story, which is great, and I recognize that it's hard to imagine how this story might be left behind without it being dissatisfying... my only point is that conjuring a worst-case-scenario in one's head probably isn't how it's going to turn out no matter which way we go. There are definitely strengths we've established and we'd be a fool to disregard them completely, even if not everyone is going to completely agree on
what those strengths are.
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A couple things I'll try and postulate from these quotes- the whole "child of great hero" origin he mentions obviously could be the Old God Baby. And the whole "main villain being different based on the events of the first game" could possibly be something involving Morrigan/ Flemeth/ Old God Baby.

As for the second quote which is way more recent, its typical stuff- not really confirming or denying anything but the last little part there about playing off established strengths. This part kind of gets me, if you look at Origins to Awakening. Now maybe its not a fair example since Awakening is only and expansion pack, but didn't most people think that the dialogue system from Origins was a strength? Not perfect sure, but did it merit the overhaul it got in Awakening? Most people liked the romances from Origins and the companions from Origins- hardly a mention from most of them in Awakening. People wanted continuity of the world with the dead warden transition to the Orlesian Warden- nope, we get a default world. I'm just curious whether or not Bioware is on the same page as most of the fans as to what the real strengths of DAO were- I know for me they were the characters and dialogue first and foremost, and they kind of ditched both of those in Awakening.

Lets just hope that Bioware considers Morrigan/Old God Baby/ Warden to be some of the strengths of DAO, lest they be forgotten about in future games...

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 mai 2010 - 01:57 .

[Addai]

Brockololly wrote...

The one thing that worries me is if they make Morrigan into a Starcraft Kerrigan type villain- the old ally that ends up becoming the villain.

Apart from threads like this, though, I get the sense that most people consider Morrigan the villain.  IOW, they are certain that she is up to no good with the god baby.  Alistair certainly thinks so, and from what I've heard of Loghain so does he.  That's one reason I'm hoping Morrigan and the god baby end up saving the world.

[sleepingbelow]

Addai67 wrote...

Apart from threads like this, though, I get the sense that most people consider Morrigan the villain.  IOW, they are certain that she is up to no good with the god baby.  Alistair certainly thinks so, and from what I've heard of Loghain so does he.  That's one reason I'm hoping Morrigan and the god baby end up saving the world.

I'm kind of middle of the road.  I see Morrigan doing some powerful and ambitious, but definitely not malevolent.  Just different.

I've been musing over this one idea.  Morrigan disdains Circle mages.  Disdains Chantry control.  The Old Gods were gods for mages.  If there was one thing that mages could probably rally around to break away from the Chantry, it would be a reborn and purified Urthemiel walking Thedas.  Heck, a god of musicians, artists, and poets?  Sign me up.

Anybody else feel it is possible that Morrigan's trying to engineer the new messiah to free the mages?

Modifié par sleepingbelow, 03 mai 2010 - 03:32 .

[TheBlackBaron]

From I've seen on this forums that's actually the most popular theory, assuming you don't subscribe to "she's gonna possess it like Flemeth and take over the world!"

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...
Apart from threads like this, though, I get the sense that most people consider Morrigan the villain.  IOW, they are certain that she is up to no good with the god baby.  Alistair certainly thinks so, and from what I've heard of Loghain so does he.  That's one reason I'm hoping Morrigan and the god baby end up saving the world.

Yeah thats the thing with Morrigan. If you take her at face value from when you first meet her and how she reacts to most of the moral decisions you have to make in the game, she can superficially come off as "evil." Some of her approval/disapproval hits do seem kind of arbitrary (why would she approve of letting the demon Kitty take over that girl in Honnleath?) but most while maybe amoral or harsh, are rooted in practicality. But when you get to know Morrigan, there obviously is more hidden underneath. Making Morrigan the villain would just be the very predicatble thing to do- Bioware is better than that. It certainly would be interesting if Morrigan and OGB ended up being a force of "good" in Thedas.

I guess the whole Old God baby thing is sort of like in ME2 with handing over the Collector base to the Illusive Man. Pretty much all of your squadmates there think thats a terrible idea, that the Illusive Man can't be trusted and he's up to something. Its really quite the same in DAO- listen to most of the banter between Morrigan and the party members and they all think she is up to some nefarious plan and that she is not to be trusted.  But I guess much like ME2, we'll just hopefully have to wait to see how our decision played out and if Morrigan (and TIM) can be trusted...

sleepingbelow wrote...
I'm kind of middle of the road.  I see Morrigan doing some powerful and
ambitious, but definitely not malevolent.  Just different.

I've
been musing over this one idea.  Morrigan disdains Circle mages. Disdains Chantry control.  The Old Gods were gods for mages.  If there was one thing that mages could probably rally around to break away from the Chantry, it would be a reborn and purified Urthemiel walking Thedas.  Heck, a god of musicians, artists, and poets?  Sign me up.

Anybody else feel it is possible that Morrigan's trying to engineer the new messiah to free the mages?

Yeah, it seems like whatever Morrigan is doing with the Old Gods would tie in to the Chantry and their control over mages. There are alot of possibilities that tie into the Old God Baby: What is its connection to the darkspawn? Would the Wardens/Chantry want to kill it? How does Flemeth fit in to all of this? DOes the fact that we're dealing with Urthemiel ( the god of Beauty) have any significance (Morrigan being one to appreciate pretty things and all)?

The only thing that make me skeptical about Morrigan trying to use OGB as a means to free mages is her raection to the Circle mages when you take her to the tower- she views the Circle mages as mindless sheep not deserving rescue, so would she really want the anything to do with breaking up the Chantry's power over the already "weak" circle mages?

The other aspect of Morrigan's plans that are interesting to me is that regardless of whether you give her the OGB or not, its pretty safe to say she is off to Orlais. And if you don't give her OGB,  the epilogue has her insinuating herself in the Empress' court. What could that be all about? From what we know of Orlais, isn't the nobility and court all fancy and civilized? While Morrigan expressed interest in seeing the world, she also mentions how she detests the norms of civilization- would she really blend in to Orlais high society?  I guess that just means she would have an opportunity to go shopping with Leliana after all

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 mai 2010 - 04:12 .

[Master Shiori]

Morrigan and Leliana shopping together would be my dream DLC.



And yes, Morrigan insinuating herself into Orlesian court is interesting, especially since for a commoner to enter the court she'd need a patron from amongst the nobility.

[Brockololly]

Makes you wonder what Morrigan might be up to with the Empress of Orlais- one would think that having some exotic looking apostate all of a sudden show up in the company of the Empress of Orlais would get some attention- is Morrigan going to use some sort of old blood magic on the Empress to control her mind, making Morrigan some sort of a Rasputin type figure?

I guess another curious thing about Morrigan heading to Orlais, possibly with the Old God Baby is that if you look at the map of Thedas, on the western side of Orlais you've got the "Urthemiel Plateau." Coincidence?

Modifié par Brockololly, 03 mai 2010 - 03:44 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...
I guess another curious thing about Morrigan heading to Orlais, possibly with the Old God Baby is that if you look at the map of Thedas, on the western side of Orlais you've got the "Urthemiel Plateau." Coincidence?

Yea I've noticed that.
Why is it that Urthemiel is the only Old God with a place named after him?
And if Flemeth is really old, did she try to do the ritual during previous blights? Or does she want Urthemiel specifically? If so why? Does she seek beauty?

And could the Old Gods simply be mages or something like Flemeth? I am saying that because of "Urthemiel's Vestements" for mages that we find in Awakening, in Drake's Fall.

Too many questions that deserve good answers. If Morrigan did all this just to break the Chantry, I would be really dissapointed. Morrigan doesn't care about the masses who willingly enslave themselves. And sicn e the ritual was taught by Flemeth, I sincerily doubt she cares about the Chantry either. 
Breaking the Chantry might be a side effect of their actions, but I think / hope their goal is more important / ambitious than this.

[Shade of Wolf]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Shade of Wolf wrote...

Well she could have just said 'Hey we might die tomorrow, wanna do it one last time?' and not bothered to tell me about the ritual, so at least she cares lolzerz.

We know that, we mentioned this before. In my case this was the main reason why I accepted to ritual the first time I played the game. Took me awhile to decide after making two sandwiches.

My PC was such a ****; he accepted straight away........but no he did appreciate he straight-forwardness

[TheBlackBaron]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Too many questions that deserve good answers. If Morrigan did all this just to break the Chantry, I would be really dissapointed. Morrigan doesn't care about the masses who willingly enslave themselves. And sicn e the ritual was taught by Flemeth, I sincerily doubt she cares about the Chantry either. 
Breaking the Chantry might be a side effect of their actions, but I think / hope their goal is more important / ambitious than this.

Well, destroying the Chantry would be a particularly final solution to the problem of being delcared an apostate/malificar and hunted by templars.

Could be that's the main idea and the masses of mages being freed would be a side effect of that. I certainly agree that the latter would not be her primary goal in any case.

I personally like to think there's something greater at work and breaking the Chantry would merely be a step towards the ultimate goal.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 03 mai 2010 - 06:17 .

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

I guess another curious thing about Morrigan heading to Orlais, possibly with the Old God Baby is that if you look at the map of Thedas, on the western side of Orlais you've got the "Urthemiel Plateau." Coincidence?

If you look a bit south of that you have what appears to be a peak called Arl Dumat.

I don't think Morrigan heading into Orlais was a coincidence. She is probably hoping to find something or some place. From what I could gather by talking to her, Morrigan despises the current state of Thedas and might see the return of the Old Gods as a way to change it.

A rather curious thing I found while reading through the ingame Codex:

In a book found during the Urn of Sacred Ashes questline, called "Maker's First Children", it is said that it was the evil spirits (or demons) that convinced the Old Gods to turn the mortals away from the Maker, and that it was the demons who first taught Blood Magic to Old Gods and through them to mortals themselves. They see this as taking vengence on the Maker for forsaking them.

Morrigan herself tells you that Flemeth is basically a very ancient and powerful abomination (demon possessing a mage). It is possible that Flemeth knows about the demons original plan for the Old Gods and wants to continue it. What if Flemeth mislead Morrigan when she told her about the dark ritual?

She doesn't seem to be at all surprised that Morrigan discovered how she prolongs her life nor is she concerned about being slain. She even makes a remark that the Warden can "keep Morrigan for a while".
If Flemeth's plan was for her to have the God Child for whatever reason, wouldn't she be concerned that Morrigan might do something else if she breaks free? What if Morrigan thinks she's pursuing her own plan when, in reality, she is being manipulated by Flemeth?

It would interesting if Morrigan succeds in whatever she's doing only to discover that she's been lied to and the result is something entirely different from what she originaly planned.