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[Zord]

Hello all,

 

First of all apologies for bringing this topic back up (and the long post), but I want absolute confirmation before I go any further.

 

Basically, with the introduction of DA:I I've decided to revisit the DA universe, and I'm hooked once again. In my original Origins file around 5-6 years ago I got the "sorrow and regret" ending.  I started DA:O again a couple weeks back.  My goal was to play through with the exact same character and decisions I had years ago in order to keep my old story canon as I progress through the new games.

 

 I replayed through Origins, doing everything as I did.  I romanced Morrigan, did the DR, got her ring, and got the sorrow and regret slide.  Great.  At first I was worried about the Awakening epilogue bug, BUT I don't really mind because it now seems Witch Hunt is the "end" of the tale of Morrigan and the Warden.  If I don't get the slide in Awakening but get to go through the Eluvian with her in Witch Hunt, I'll be happy.

 

SO I've read through this (skim read pages upon pages, bouncing around the first 400 or so) and have read this on the first page:
 

 The only  feasible workaround for this is to import an origins save from the  coronation room (the "final save" might work too) or an Awakening save  where you never entered the "post game" of DA:O. Bioware should sort this out imo.

Short version - if you entered the "post game" in Origins, and imported that save into Awakening/Golems/WH you are bugged.

 

 

With this in mind: CAN I PLEASE CONFIRM THE FOLLOWING:

[This is on the Xbox360]

 

I've just completed Origins.  Romanced Morrigan, brought her with me in the final battle, and talked with her before fighting the Archdemon (meaning she broke up with me). I still have her ring, and I got the sorrow and regret ending from Origins.  I'm about to import my character from Origins to Awakening:

-If I import my Origins character into Awakening FROM THE CORONATION ROOM (NOT from the camp afterwards), then play through Awakening, then import that same character from Awakening into Witch Hunt, will I be able to get the option to go through the Eluvian with Morrigan even though I won't get Morrigan's Awakening epilogue slide?

I'm so glad you other guys get so hung up about this too, I remember the gut wrenching feeling I had at the end of Origins years ago when there was no follow-up to my Morrgan storyline.  It was heartbreaking.  I'm glad there's now gonna be some kind of closure.  I'm also glad I wasn't the only one who cared so much about it!

All I care about is that my Warden lives happily ever after with Morrigan.  Hawke can get eviscerated by the Arishok and the inquisitor can get syphilis and die half way through Inquisition for all I care.  As long as Morrigan and the Warden live happily ever, everything else is filler (I haven't played inquisition yet, so this may not be true).

 

Once I know that I'm good to go, I'll import the char into Awakening and then play through the series.  I only ask as I cocked something up while playing through Origins last week and didn't get the ending I wanted, so I've just wasted three days playing through from an earlier save to get me where I want to be - I don't want to have to do that again!

Thanks all.

[Brockololly]

Hello all,

 

First of all apologies for bringing this topic back up (and the long post), but I want absolute confirmation before I go any further.

 

Basically, with the introduction of DA:I I've decided to revisit the DA universe, and I'm hooked once again. In my original Origins file around 5-6 years ago I got the "sorrow and regret" ending.  I started DA:O again a couple weeks back.  My goal was to play through with the exact same character and decisions I had years ago in order to keep my old story canon as I progress through the new games.

 

 I replayed through Origins, doing everything as I did.  I romanced Morrigan, did the DR, got her ring, and got the sorrow and regret slide.  Great.  At first I was worried about the Awakening epilogue bug, BUT I don't really mind because it now seems Witch Hunt is the "end" of the tale of Morrigan and the Warden.  If I don't get the slide in Awakening but get to go through the Eluvian with her in Witch Hunt, I'll be happy.

 

SO I've read through this (skim read pages upon pages, bouncing around the first 400 or so) and have read this on the first page:
 

 

 

With this in mind: CAN I PLEASE CONFIRM THE FOLLOWING:

[This is on the Xbox360]

 

I've just completed Origins.  Romanced Morrigan, brought her with me in the final battle, and talked with her before fighting the Archdemon (meaning she broke up with me). I still have her ring, and I got the sorrow and regret ending from Origins.  I'm about to import my character from Origins to Awakening:

-If I import my Origins character into Awakening FROM THE CORONATION ROOM (NOT from the camp afterwards), then play through Awakening, then import that same character from Awakening into Witch Hunt, will I be able to get the option to go through the Eluvian with Morrigan even though I won't get Morrigan's Awakening epilogue slide?

I'm so glad you other guys get so hung up about this too, I remember the gut wrenching feeling I had at the end of Origins years ago when there was no follow-up to my Morrgan storyline.  It was heartbreaking.  I'm glad there's now gonna be some kind of closure.  I'm also glad I wasn't the only one who cared so much about it!

All I care about is that my Warden lives happily ever after with Morrigan.  Hawke can get eviscerated by the Arishok and the inquisitor can get syphilis and die half way through Inquisition for all I care.  As long as Morrigan and the Warden live happily ever, everything else is filler (I haven't played inquisition yet, so this may not be true).

 

Once I know that I'm good to go, I'll import the char into Awakening and then play through the series.  I only ask as I cocked something up while playing through Origins last week and didn't get the ending I wanted, so I've just wasted three days playing through from an earlier save to get me where I want to be - I don't want to have to do that again!

Thanks all.

 

I think you have it right. The bug with Witch Hunt when it was released never prevented your Warden from going through the Eluvian with Morrigan, it just screwed up how she reacted to your Warden whether they did the Dark Ritual or not. So long as your version of Witch Hunt is patched up, I imagine you should be fine even on 360. Then just use the Dragon Age Keep to set everything before you go into Inquisition.

 

As for whether the Warden and Morrigan have their happily ever after, walk off into the sunset moment in Inquisition, that's up for debate!

[MisterJB]

It occurs to me that Maester Aemon's warnings apply perfectly to a Warden that went through the Eluvian with Morrigan.

 

"What is honor compared to a woman's love? What is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms"

[Jedimaster88]

It occurs to me that Maester Aemon's warnings apply perfectly to a Warden that went through the Eluvian with Morrigan.

 

"What is honor compared to a woman's love? What is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms"

My warden´s thoughts when he goes with Morrigan to the eluvian are that he has done enough. The blight is over, the wardens have rebuilt in Ferelden, the kingdom is at peace and has new rulers. Let someone else carry the torch and be the hero.

[Lord_Anthonior]

I think you have it right. The bug with Witch Hunt when it was released never prevented your Warden from going through the Eluvian with Morrigan, it just screwed up how she reacted to your Warden whether they did the Dark Ritual or not. So long as your version of Witch Hunt is patched up, I imagine you should be fine even on 360. Then just use the Dragon Age Keep to set everything before you go into Inquisition.

 

As for whether the Warden and Morrigan have their happily ever after, walk off into the sunset moment in Inquisition, that's up for debate!

 

I suppose it is up for debate unless they end up doing or having what Morrigan said, him "painting the shed while she baked the bread" haha damn I still can remember Origin's Dialogue. Though I would like to see if they clean up and fix one of rooms from the one towers for the Warden and Morrigan and another for Hawke and -in my case- Isabela. I wouldn't mind having all three main heroes at Skyhold, I suppose the Inquisitor would welcome them and offer his hospitality and any assistance at the war table.

 

It occurs to me that Maester Aemon's warnings apply perfectly to a Warden that went through the Eluvian with Morrigan.

 

"What is honor compared to a woman's love? What is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms"

 

Well, having Morrigan's love it IS an honor from a woman who sees her partner as an equal. Also that one of a real man main duties in life is being a good father so the Warden is having both things, Honor and Duty. I do agree and think the same when the Warden goes through the Eluvian with Morrigan.

[Terra_Ex]

I'll respond to Ash Wind's stuff and others later when I have a bit more time, I'll also need to try and source a particular Gaider interview regarding Morrigan's speech patterns to address one of the points. I also want to circle back to Brock's posting of Morri's official character description & the Cousland/Morri stuff at some point. So much to type, so little time.

 

By the time I'm done I'll probably have a monster post in response to Terra. But for now, I've been messing around with the modding tools and trying to give myself a crash course in making textures and mucking around in 3ds Max and Zbrush with some, uh, interesting results.

 

In any event, I made a little modded texture to get rid of Morrigan's random moles and pock marks!

 

I started just using the heal brush in photoshop to get rid of the blemishes/ moles on the diffuse map then got carried away and started mucking around with her lipstick color (made it more purple like Origins), and tried to mess with her eyeshadow and eyebrows.  Then I started messing with the normal and specular maps and quickly got in over my head.

You know Brock, we've always wondered why Morrigan had to leave us in Origins, but after reading the things you've done to her, it's starting to make sense. I don't think I know any woman who'd be happy for you to mess with their specular maps, much less their makeup.

 

I'm so glad you other guys get so hung up about this too, I remember the gut wrenching feeling I had at the end of Origins years ago when there was no follow-up to my Morrigan storyline.  It was heartbreaking.  I'm glad there's now gonna be some kind of closure.  I'm also glad I wasn't the only one who cared so much about it!

If you have hold on some semblance of sanity after all this time, friend, take it and run. But seriously, you should play it, combined with the appropriate WH ending, it's infinitely preferable to what we got back then.

 

We need to summon Knight & Barbarossa back to the fold, would love to see some reactions from those two.

 

I think you have it right. The bug with Witch Hunt when it was released never prevented your Warden from going through the Eluvian with Morrigan, it just screwed up how she reacted to your Warden whether they did the Dark Ritual or not. So long as your version of Witch Hunt is patched up, I imagine you should be fine even on 360. Then just use the Dragon Age Keep to set everything before you go into Inquisition.

 

As for whether the Warden and Morrigan have their happily ever after, walk off into the sunset moment in Inquisition, that's up for debate!

(I meant to include this in my PM to you the other day but it was already so monolithic and this was very ending + Morrigan specific, so some things just didn't make the cut. Nevertheless, I'll leave this here as a sort of addendum to my previous post, just to further add to the confusion and uncertainty.)

 

This is actually one of the reasons I wanted to go into such depth in my big post- that the overall initial reaction I saw from fans in the new Morri thread was overwhelmingly "yay, my Warden and Morrigan are still together, the end," it didn't seem quite so cut and dry to me.

But in truth, when have we Morrigan fans ever got a stable, certain ending? In DAO you got... well, you all know, that which marked the beginning of the heartbreak saga. Awakening you got a bugged slide, then you got the "Warden's story is over" nonsense from BioWare (fun times), then in WH you get romance closure/continuation but an uncertain future. In DA2 you got nothing. And then in DAI we got a Morrigan that I'm 90% happy with but they just had to leave you on that uncertain note because we can't have the Morrigan fans being happy now can we?

Spoiler

With the way they left Morrigan potentially still worried Flemeth has plans for her (unknowing that she seems to have died in the end scene), like I said previously, it could just be left to hang over Morrigan thematically, as a sort of (non-existent) threat from the shadows that troubles her for years to come. I'm just not quite ready to leap into the assumption that those dev notes are the definitive plan moving forward, because if you read them a different way, could you not infer that Flemeth already transferred her "godhood" to a Well-drinking Morrigan in that fade scene, possibly without her even knowing it? That would kind of put a different spin on requiring Solas to bequeath that power to Morrigan in a future game... Perhaps that's how she gets the ability to become a dragon and why Flemeth has no qualms over letting Solas absorb her, because she already passed along what she needed to.  If you read it like that then I imagine the notes make more sense, since I didn't see any actual specific agreement between the two with regards to a plan taking place in that end scene.

I didn't really go down this road of thinking before as it has one major stumbling block that prevented me reconciling it- it brings up the question of what Solas is "absorbing" in that end scene if the power had already been given to Morrigan but in truth we don't know exactly what happened in that scene, nor if the dev notes are still relevant/valid. That's the only issue I have with this line of thinking, can anyone else reconcile that caveat? (Much like how Flemeth messes about with the mirror regardless of the existence of OGB or not.)

[Brockololly]

 

I'd guess those are all created in Source Filmmaker or similar using extracted models from DA:I, ie: they're not actually in the game. Seems like there's no shoutout for Morri at the Winter Palace then.

 

Just bringing this back up since looking through some youtube videos to check some things in writing my post, those images of Morrigan reading a book are indeed from the game. Seems like that's the cutscene you get if you have default world state (no baby, or at least no OGB) Morrigan drink from the Well and you go to talk to her in the garden before going to the altar of Mythal. Maybe you need to be an elf too? Maybe you already caught that, but that was something new I just saw today. Haven't found any other ballroom intro for Morrigan though.

 

 

 

 

 And then in DAI we got a Morrigan that I'm 90% happy with but they just had to leave you on that uncertain note because we can't have the Morrigan fans being happy now can we?

Spoiler

With the way they left Morrigan potentially still worried Flemeth has plans for her (unknowing that she seems to have died in the end scene), like I said previously, it could just be left to hang over Morrigan thematically, as a sort of (non-existent) threat from the shadows that troubles her for years to come. I'm just not quite ready to leap into the assumption that those dev notes are the definitive plan moving forward, because if you read them a different way, could you not infer that Flemeth already transferred her "godhood" to a Well-drinking Morrigan in that fade scene, possibly without her even knowing it? That would kind of put a different spin on requiring Solas to bequeath that power to Morrigan in a future game... Perhaps that's how she gets the ability to become a dragon and why Flemeth has no qualms over letting Solas absorb her, because she already passed along what she needed to.  If you read it like that then I imagine the notes make more sense, since I didn't see any actual specific agreement between the two with regards to a plan taking place in that end scene.

I didn't really go down this road of thinking before as it has one major stumbling block that prevented me reconciling it- it brings up the question of what Solas is "absorbing" in that end scene if the power had already been given to Morrigan but in truth we don't know exactly what happened in that scene, nor if the dev notes are still relevant/valid. That's the only issue I have with this line of thinking, can anyone else reconcile that caveat? (Much like how Flemeth messes about with the mirror regardless of the existence of OGB or not.)

 

Yeah...

Spoiler

Sound like a broken record but I'll bring this up in my big post. I think the writers have plenty of means to give Morrigan some sort of essence of godhood or whatever legacy Flemeth wants to pass on, whether Morrigan drinks from the Well or not. The dialogue at the end I think maybe even lays the groundwork for that. Like you say, a Well drinking Morrigan probably has that built in a bit more readily considering Flemeth seemingly grants her Dragon shapeshifting powers which seems like a huge deal in the DA universe. Then you start going down the rabbit hole of what the old Elven gods might have been and read into those theories.

 

I don't know how accurate those dev notes are and like you get at  in your post, I'd be more than content if they let Morrigan walk off. But unless they're going with some sort of divergent fate for Morrigan based on your choices I'm guessing she'll show up again. And if she does... I think they've laid the groundwork for her doing something with whatever godhood or something involving Flemeth/Mythal.

 

But of course the lynchpin in all of that is whatever actually is going on with Solas and that end scene. The only real cut and dry explanation of what's going on there are those developer notes. Then again, in the temple of Mythal Morrigan says "With magic anything is possible." So that whole epilogue scene could mean anything! I'll try to break down some possibilities in more detail in my post I guess.

[Terra_Ex]

Just bringing this back up since looking through some youtube videos to check some things in writing my post, those images of Morrigan reading a book are indeed from the game. Seems like that's the cutscene you get if you have default world state (no baby, or at least no OGB) Morrigan drink from the Well and you go to talk to her in the garden before going to the altar of Mythal. Maybe you need to be an elf too? Maybe you already caught that, but that was something new I just saw today. Haven't found any other ballroom intro for Morrigan though.

Interesting, I didn't know that. I'll have to give that a watch tomorrow, who knows, there could be something new there to complain about!   I haven't had the time nor inclination to revisit the game since I made that big post, can't risk getting open world burnout with Witcher 3 so close.

 

Yeah...

Spoiler

Sound like a broken record but I'll bring this up in my big post. I think the writers have plenty of means to give Morrigan some sort of essence of godhood or whatever legacy Flemeth wants to pass on, whether Morrigan drinks from the Well or not. The dialogue at the end I think maybe even lays the groundwork for that. Like you say, a Well drinking Morrigan probably has that built in a bit more readily considering Flemeth seemingly grants her Dragon shapeshifting powers which seems like a huge deal in the DA universe. Then you start going down the rabbit hole of what the old Elven gods might have been and read into those theories.

 

I don't know how accurate those dev notes are and like you get at  in your post, I'd be more than content if they let Morrigan walk off. But unless they're going with some sort of divergent fate for Morrigan based on your choices I'm guessing she'll show up again. And if she does... I think they've laid the groundwork for her doing something with whatever godhood or something involving Flemeth/Mythal.

The bolded part - that's our new thread title man.

 

I don't tend towards unraveling Elven God theories personally, primarily because there's enough there to give cause to something whilst being sufficiently vague to turn it to any fresh purpose as desired. I agree with the general thought behind your post though, mine was merely highlighting my initial and intentionally optimistic thoughts on the happenings in DAI. Once you've set out your own, I'll be more than happy to rejoin you on the pessimism express and dig into the specifics a bit more.

 

Spoiler

But of course the lynchpin in all of that is whatever actually is going on with Solas and that end scene. The only real cut and dry explanation of what's going on there are those developer notes. Then again, in the temple of Mythal Morrigan says "With magic anything is possible." So that whole epilogue scene could mean anything! I'll try to break down some possibilities in more detail in my post I guess.

Spoiler

Yes, Morrigan quite readily believes that magic can do anything, the Old Gods exists as she well knows, but the terrible price for drinking from the WoS, nope there can't be any truth to that, no sir... For shame, Morrigan, you were supposed to be smart. Guess she's lucky it'll cancel itself out.

[Zord]

Thanks for the replies all.  Just finished Witch Hunt.  Warden and Morrigan walked through the Eluvian together, happily ever after (Hah...).  5+ years of closure.  Now waiting for DA2 to successfully download and I'll play through that again, then onto Inquisition!

[Damdil]

I was quite disappointed by the romance with Morrigan. In my opinion, it is really easy to bed her (nearly to easy) and I think that she somehow behaves like a recalcitrant teenager  I don't need anyone, no love and I won't even help drowning kitties because all is about survival bla bla. I usually dumped her after it gets too complicated (after her personal quest) and instead romanced Leliana. It's really funny how angry Morrigan gets with her. The romance with Leliana isn't so complex or multi-faceted, but I really like her personality better (more of nice girl, less of gruel b****).

 

Also, the Witch Hunt-DLC is a bad joke. The part with Morrigan is really short and even if you hit her with your knife, she'll appear in Inquisition like nothing. If the Warden joins her, he isn't with her afterwards. But if you Morrigan-lovers like it. 

[Lord_Anthonior]

Absolutely Beautiful...

 

 

 

[Lord_Anthonior]

I still don't know how to get that scene with Morrigan reading, I guess she doesn't have Keiran for the scene to play out but I'm yet to find the video on youtube. 

 

 

[Terra_Ex]

I still don't know how to get that scene with Morrigan reading, I guess she doesn't have Keiran for the scene to play out but I'm yet to find the video on youtube.

Brock already linked a video containing the scene further up the page: https://www.youtube....5ckbc78#t=2m34s

[Lord_Anthonior]

Brock already linked a video containing the scene further up the page: https://www.youtube....5ckbc78#t=2m34s

 

Ah excellent! so indeed it seems for that scene to play Keiran is not part of the main plot. Obviously for my game is quite different for it all happens in the well of sorrows and in the Fade.

 

Thanks for mentionted it it was already linked by Brock, I'm gonna read the previous posts to see what else I missed. 

[Brockololly]

Ah excellent! so indeed it seems for that scene to play Keiran is not part of the main plot. Obviously for my game is quite different for it all happens in the well of sorrows and in the Fade.

 

Thanks for mentionted it it was already linked by Brock, I'm gonna read the previous posts to see what else I missed. 

I'm not totally sure but it definitely seems like for that reading scene to happen you would at least need normal Kieran and not OGB Kieran.

 

Which, sure, means that Kieran isn't part of the main plot since normal Kieran has just the one intro scene basically, I think. Not that OGB Kieran has that much more in terms of screen time.

[Ash Wind]

I was quite disappointed by the romance with Morrigan. In my opinion, it is really easy to bed her (nearly to easy) and I think that she somehow behaves like a recalcitrant teenager  I don't need anyone, no love and I won't even help drowning kitties because all is about survival bla bla. I usually dumped her after it gets too complicated (after her personal quest) and instead romanced Leliana. It's really funny how angry Morrigan gets with her. The romance with Leliana isn't so complex or multi-faceted, but I really like her personality better (more of nice girl, less of gruel b****).

 

Also, the Witch Hunt-DLC is a bad joke. The part with Morrigan is really short and even if you hit her with your knife, she'll appear in Inquisition like nothing. If the Warden joins her, he isn't with her afterwards. But if you Morrigan-lovers like it. 

Lol

 

Hey, to each their own. I would imagine.

 

Leliana? Seriously, there may not be a lamer romance option in all of the DA games. "Ohhhh, Oui, Oui... I like you... you like me??? *kissy face, kissy face*… happily ever after. It has all the interest and intrigue of the captain of the football team romancing the head cheerleader. Yawn.

 

Morrigan’s romance is more nuanced. Sure she puts out early on, that doesn’t mean she’s been romanced. Morrigan was raised by Flemeth, has never had a friend and, at first, sees the Warden as the best option to satisfy certain base desires she has. She’ll even teach you Shapeshifting if your approval is... Wait for It.... LOW enough. 

 

It takes an investment in order to break down her barriers... and what happens once you break through the super ****** wall? She begins to open up and detail her upbringing, in far more detail than Leliana’s romance could even dream of. Tells you things she has probably never told anyone… and a funny thing happens, as her approval increases and she becomes aware of her feelings for the Warden, she will no longer offer to teach you Shapeshifting, as if that’s her way of resisting what she’s feeling, as confused as she is...

 

----> ANY character that will teach you anything will do so with a higher approval.... Morrigan is the sole exception, she will only train you with a lower approval. Once a certain higher approval rating is reached.... she refuses to train you.

 

IMHO, the stunning lines of dialogue a romanced Morrigan reveals far and away eviscerates anything the eloquent bard can muster. And what happens when she realizes she has feelings for the Warden? After the ‘If this is love?’ speech, she will no longer sleep with the Warden, unlike a red-headed bard that is all too safe and uninteresting.

 

Still, if you like safe, uninteresting, connect-the-dots and tedious 'romance' options, Leliana is the girl for you.

[Damdil]

Lol

 

Hey, to each their own. I would imagine.

 

Leliana? Seriously, there may not be a lamer romance option in all of the DA games. "Ohhhh, Oui, Oui... I like you... you like me??? *kissy face, kissy face*… happily ever after. It has all the interest and intrigue of the captain of the football team romancing the head cheerleader. Yawn.

 

Morrigan’s romance is more nuanced. Sure she puts out early on, that doesn’t mean she’s been romanced. Morrigan was raised by Flemeth, has never had a friend and, at first, sees the Warden as the best option to satisfy certain base desires she has. She’ll even teach you Shapeshifting if your approval is... Wait for It.... LOW enough. 

 

It takes an investment in order to break down her barriers... and what happens once you break through the super ****** wall? She begins to open up and detail her upbringing, in far more detail than Leliana’s romance could even dream of. Tells you things she has probably never told anyone… and a funny thing happens, as her approval increases and she becomes aware of her feelings for the Warden, she will no longer offer to teach you Shapeshifting, as if that’s her way of resisting what she’s feeling, as confused as she is...

 

----> ANY character that will teach you anything will do so with a higher approval.... Morrigan is the sole exception, she will only train you with a lower approval. Once a certain higher approval rating is reached.... she refuses to train you.

 

IMHO, the stunning lines of dialogue a romanced Morrigan reveals far and away eviscerates anything the eloquent bard can muster. And what happens when she realizes she has feelings for the Warden? After the ‘If this is love?’ speech, she will no longer sleep with the Warden, unlike a red-headed bard that is all too safe and uninteresting.

 

Still, if you like safe, uninteresting, connect-the-dots and tedious 'romance' options, Leliana is the girl for you.

 

I never recognised that she won't teach you here specialisation anymore. Maybe it is because I never really used Shapeshifting, as mages are more useful in their "normal" form.

 

Yeah sure, maybe Morrigan's character developes more throughout the romance, but I dislike certain parts of her. First of all (BIG SPOILER COMING FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE END YET!!!!!!!!!!), the only reason she ever joined you is to get the essence of the archdemon. And she will leave immediatly after she gets it, or if you refuse to help her. So the romance with her has the "aftertaste" (I hope you can say it that way, I'm no native speaker) of being exploited. To me it seems that she just wants to seduce you from the very beginning and also even shortly before the final quest, so she gets your help. May be the reason why you can bed her so quickly. And although she may loves the Warden, she'll leave him for chasing her own goals. 

 

Second, I think she is really harsh and unfriendly. You can see this in nearly every dialogue with her and she also doesn't seem to get along with ANY of your party members. While Sten would be the most fitting towards her views of "power and survival", she constantly makes fun of him. But I won't say these dialogues aren't funny.   Just doesn't make her really sympathetic. Well and as I always play as the "good guy", she nearly disapproves anything that I want to do (you get alot of gifts for her so a high approval is still quite easy to achieve).

 

Last but not least, I think she has not many dialogue options even once she's romanced. I remember that she has like 3 ("What is love?"  , "I won't sleep with you" and the pre and past personal quest dialogue).

 

In my opinion, the Leliana romance is more fun and rewarding. Comparing these two characters, Leliana surely is more sympathetic and funny. I think she also has more dialogue, which is a plus. But as you said, tastes are different. It's already worthwhile to romance both and dump one of them for their party dialogue. 

[Terra_Ex]

I'm not totally sure but it definitely seems like for that reading scene to happen you would at least need normal Kieran and not OGB Kieran.

 

Which, sure, means that Kieran isn't part of the main plot since normal Kieran has just the one intro scene basically, I think. Not that OGB Kieran has that much more in terms of screen time.

Much like his father, Kieran also has lots of work studying to do... offscreen. On a related note, while I can understand the idea of neither HoF/Morri wanting to flaunt their relationship in the context of the Orlesian court, do we think that it was known that Kieran was Morrigan's child to the people there, or would that be something she'd hide so as not to compromise her own position. This was touched on iirc, but I don't think specifics were given.

 

Leliana? Seriously, there may not be a lamer romance option in all of the DA games. "Ohhhh, Oui, Oui... I like you... you like me??? *kissy face, kissy face*… happily ever after. It has all the interest and intrigue of the captain of the football team romancing the head cheerleader. Yawn.

While I do like Lel as a character, the bolded did give me a chuckle, expertly worded Unsure as to whether I want to wade into this issue again, I am tempted to do so... but we'll see.

 

As a side note, I have sort of been thinking on what changes/differences we'd have seen in Morrigan if she'd had a daughter. Something to explore in a future post maybe.

[Brockololly]

Much like his father, Kieran also has lots of work studying to do... offscreen. On a related note, while I can understand the idea of neither HoF/Morri wanting to flaunt their relationship in the context of the Orlesian court, do we think that it was known that Kieran was Morrigan's child to the people there, or would that be something she'd hide so as not to compromise her own position. This was touched on iirc, but I don't think specifics were given.

 

As I recall, back at Skyhold, Morrigan makes mention how people at court though Kieran was just some quiet, well spoken lad, maybe an heir to some distant family.

 

I'd imagine she wouldn't make it a very well known fact, if only because (prior to her going full stupid at the Well) she seems to be really protective of Kieran and his safety. So all the politicking in Orlais maybe would expose Kieran as a vulnerability if somebody was trying to get at Morrigan.

 

 

 

As a side note, I have sort of been thinking on what changes/differences we'd have seen in Morrigan if she'd had a daughter. Something to explore in a future post maybe.

 

 

I always thought it would have been awesome if she had twins. Cynically, Morrigan having a daughter would have probably played out exactly the same as what we got with Kieran. I suppose they could have had it feel a bit more personal for Morrigan, since she'd likely see a bit of herself in any potential daughter.

 

 

Although I guess if she had a daughter, that would have been more fuel to the fire of the whole Andraste = Flemeth theory- being that maybe Andraste was the original OGB and maybe had Mythal's soul which then got passed on to Flemeth, since one of Andraste's daughters only had daughters and Flemeth only had daughters.

[Heidirs]

I just wanted to pop in and say how completely excited I was in running into Morrigan again in DAI. I was meta gaming my Inquisitor's responses to her: "I'm glad to have you" and "I trust you" and "Welcome aboard" without any questioning at all. All my thoughts and not my Inquisitor's. I was just so excited to see her again.

 

Also, I'm curious, what did you all decide to do with Morrigan at the Well? At first, I was very protective of her and had no issue sacrificing my inquisitor to the consequences so Morrigan can be safe. But now, I'm thinking she can certainly use that power better than I can and possibly learn a lot from it. Might be worth the risk?

[Lord_Anthonior]

As I recall, back at Skyhold, Morrigan makes mention how people at court though Kieran was just some quiet, well spoken lad, maybe an heir to some distant family.

 

I'd imagine she wouldn't make it a very well known fact, if only because (prior to her going full stupid at the Well) she seems to be really protective of Kieran and his safety. So all the politicking in Orlais maybe would expose Kieran as a vulnerability if somebody was trying to get at Morrigan.

 

 

I also recall that someone was indeed aiming to get at Morrigan, her character codex was a letter between two nobles, one woman (I think) sent three people to investigate her and they all "disappeared" so, someone was indeed trying something against Morrigan. It also seems that it doesn't take much to know how to play "The Orlesian Game" afterall, Leliana says she has played the Orlesian game for a long time and yet Morrigan managed to quite quickly to rise up all the way to be advisor to the Empress, kept some key council of heralds members in her pocket and dealt with anyone who was sent to investigate her while keeping everyone oblivious of the fact that she has a son and that son's father is the Hero of Ferelden, aaaand that he has the essence of an old God, she does know how to sail through the Orlesian court sharks, at least just for the time that she needed. 

 

I just wanted to pop in and say how completely excited I was in running into Morrigan again in DAI. I was meta gaming my Inquisitor's responses to her: "I'm glad to have you" and "I trust you" and "Welcome aboard" without any questioning at all. All my thoughts and not my Inquisitor's. I was just so excited to see her again.

 

Also, I'm curious, what did you all decide to do with Morrigan at the Well? At first, I was very protective of her and had no issue sacrificing my inquisitor to the consequences so Morrigan can be safe. But now, I'm thinking she can certainly use that power better than I can and possibly learn a lot from it. Might be worth the risk?

 

I did the exact same thing, my Trevelyan inquisitor also replied to her that he was happy to see her after solving the throne and assassination attempt, I also replied to Vivienne that I trust Morrigan at expense of some aproval that honestly didn't cared to lose hehehe and welcomed her to the inquisition.

 

I doubt it would happen in the future but if Vivienne had tried something against Morrigan after the Well of Sorrows I would've (with no remorse nor hesitation) killed Vivienne on the spot or stop her no matter how much she would've disapproved, I only allowed Vivienne to tag along to make her Divine because I didn't want neither Cassandra nor Leliana as Divine but other than that nope, I brought Solas along almost the entire game. 

 

The Codex from the Warden asked the inquisitor to look after his family so that's what I did for Morrigan and Keiran and now Morrigan is even more powerful than Merrill, (powerful and wiser) than Vivienne who thinks Mythal is a demon and had no real knowledge of shapeshiftig, and a bit more powerful than Bethany with Solas being the only actual risk to her. 

[Ash Wind]

I never recognised that she won't teach you here specialisation anymore. Maybe it is because I never really used Shapeshifting, as mages are more useful in their "normal" form.

 

Yeah sure, maybe Morrigan's character developes more throughout the romance, but I dislike certain parts of her. First of all (BIG SPOILER COMING FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE END YET!!!!!!!!!!), the only reason she ever joined you is to get the essence of the archdemon. And she will leave immediatly after she gets it, or if you refuse to help her. So the romance with her has the "aftertaste" (I hope you can say it that way, I'm no native speaker) of being exploited. To me it seems that she just wants to seduce you from the very beginning and also even shortly before the final quest, so she gets your help. May be the reason why you can bed her so quickly. And although she may loves the Warden, she'll leave him for chasing her own goals. 

 

Second, I think she is really harsh and unfriendly. You can see this in nearly every dialogue with her and she also doesn't seem to get along with ANY of your party members. While Sten would be the most fitting towards her views of "power and survival", she constantly makes fun of him. But I won't say these dialogues aren't funny.   Just doesn't make her really sympathetic. Well and as I always play as the "good guy", she nearly disapproves anything that I want to do (you get alot of gifts for her so a high approval is still quite easy to achieve).

 

Last but not least, I think she has not many dialogue options even once she's romanced. I remember that she has like 3 ("What is love?"  , "I won't sleep with you" and the pre and past personal quest dialogue).

 

In my opinion, the Leliana romance is more fun and rewarding. Comparing these two characters, Leliana surely is more sympathetic and funny. I think she also has more dialogue, which is a plus. But as you said, tastes are different. It's already worthwhile to romance both and dump one of them for their party dialogue. 

Again, as I have said, it’s a matter of personal choice. Its all good! If Leliana is your girl, cool!

 

I rarely have mages, however, be that as it may, at lower approval Morrigan will agree to train any Mage in the group. That stops at a certain point of approval, which is the direct opposite of every other Specialization trainer.

 

As far as the OGB goes, absolutely, that is why Flemeth saved the Warden and Alistair, as opposed to maybe, King Cailan and Duncan (who, apparently was rendered infertile at that point, as Ali states, he felt he was close to his Calling) or other available Wardens. There's a plan. YES, that is the only reason Morrigan is with the Warden’s group… in the beginning.

 

It very may well be that she intended just to try to seduce the Warden. But the detailed discussions with her, seem to imply that that thought has been turned on its head and she is the one that has been seduced… to the point, that evetually in the romance (if you choose the correct lines of dialogue) she essentially begs the Warden to break things off with her, because she simply cannot.

 

You can send her away, in which case she would leave (still showing up for the DR). Her answer to the Warden’s statement do you really want to stop? Yes… No…. I do… but I cannot… release me… If the OGB was her only concern, why doesn’t she just ‘play’ along????? Yeah, sure… as long as we have sex and I have the capacity to conceive a child on the eve of battle, its all good!

 

Still, that doesn’t take away from the fact that the romance is real. If the Warden is having sex with Morrigan, there is absolutely no reason for an uncaring, manipulative Morrigan to be dishonest prior to the climatic (poor pun) battle. All she has to do is say hey, it’s the night before the climactic battle, lets bump uglies… I have this ritual that will… give you power, or protect you, etc. etc. (no, not really, it will me give the child we conceive tonight with the ability to capture the Old God Soul which is the only reason I tolerated you).  Yet Morrigan does not do this. She lets you in, at least in part, on the DR.

 

The Morrigan romance goes beyond the OGB. Yes, its why she joins you, yes, its her ultimate goal, but that doesn’t change the fact that she could have achieved that end by being, at the very least, indifferent on the surface, no matter what she was feeling inside. At the Gates of Denerim her real colors show…. This could have been so much easier, and yet… I cannot reget what has happened between us…

 

Morrigan cares for the Warden, it wasn’t part of the plan… but there you have it.

[Damdil]

I just wanted to pop in and say how completely excited I was in running into Morrigan again in DAI. I was meta gaming my Inquisitor's responses to her: "I'm glad to have you" and "I trust you" and "Welcome aboard" without any questioning at all. All my thoughts and not my Inquisitor's. I was just so excited to see her again.

 

Also, I'm curious, what did you all decide to do with Morrigan at the Well? At first, I was very protective of her and had no issue sacrificing my inquisitor to the consequences so Morrigan can be safe. But now, I'm thinking she can certainly use that power better than I can and possibly learn a lot from it. Might be worth the risk?

I really would have wanted to destory or leave the thing, but as there was no choice like that, I let her taking the power. However, once she joined the Inquisition I was expecting a plot-twist every second, where you'll discover Morrigan's real motivation.

 

Again, as I have said, it’s a matter of personal choice. Its all good! If Leliana is your girl, cool!

 

I rarely have mages, however, be that as it may, at lower approval Morrigan will agree to train any Mage in the group. That stops at a certain point of approval, which is the direct opposite of every other Specialization trainer.

 

As far as the OGB goes, absolutely, that is why Flemeth saved the Warden and Alistair, as opposed to maybe, King Cailan and Duncan (who, apparently was rendered infertile at that point, as Ali states, he felt he was close to his Calling) or other available Wardens. There's a plan. YES, that is the only reason Morrigan is with the Warden’s group… in the beginning.

 

It very may well be that she intended just to try to seduce the Warden. But the detailed discussions with her, seem to imply that that thought has been turned on its head and she is the one that has been seduced… to the point, that evetually in the romance (if you choose the correct lines of dialogue) she essentially begs the Warden to break things off with her, because she simply cannot.

 

You can send her away, in which case she would leave (still showing up for the DR). Her answer to the Warden’s statement do you really want to stop? Yes… No…. I do… but I cannot… release me… If the OGB was her only concern, why doesn’t she just ‘play’ along????? Yeah, sure… as long as we have sex and I have the capacity to conceive a child on the eve of battle, its all good!

 

Still, that doesn’t take away from the fact that the romance is real. If the Warden is having sex with Morrigan, there is absolutely no reason for an uncaring, manipulative Morrigan to be dishonest prior to the climatic (poor pun) battle. All she has to do is say hey, it’s the night before the climactic battle, lets bump uglies… I have this ritual that will… give you power, or protect you, etc. etc. (no, not really, it will me give the child we conceive tonight with the ability to capture the Old God Soul which is the only reason I tolerated you).  Yet Morrigan does not do this. She lets you in, at least in part, on the DR.

 

The Morrigan romance goes beyond the OGB. Yes, its why she joins you, yes, its her ultimate goal, but that doesn’t change the fact that she could have achieved that end by being, at the very least, indifferent on the surface, no matter what she was feeling inside. At the Gates of Denerim her real colors show…. This could have been so much easier, and yet… I cannot reget what has happened between us…

 

Morrigan cares for the Warden, it wasn’t part of the plan… but there you have it.

Hehe (see bold part).

 

I'm playing the first time as a mage now, but she'll teach every class or race the Shapeshifter spec (logically only Wynne as your only other mage can learn it, so kinda useless).

 

I see your point, but I must say I don't really agree with you. Sure, Morrigan will develope feelings for the Warden. However I think the reason she wants to break up as soon as she thinks she's in love with your character is somehow for her own purpose. Morrigan still needs to complete her original task and too many feelings will make it complicated for her to leave the Warden after the final battle. In this perspective it's nearly ironical she calls you selfish for still wanting to be with her after her confession.

 

I did the ritual once (before I found out you can harden Alistair and take Loghain for the sacrifice) and I think she hides some important parts of her scheme from you. Regarding her character it is clear for me that she'll eventually use this child for achieving more power. I kinda thought she could use it to destory the chantry as she dislikes it a great deal. If I recall it right, she also calls the romance with the warden a "misadventure" before the final fight and leaves the Warden and his companions anyway. Well, it felt quite wrong to do the ritual, so I also didn't take it for DA:I in the Dragon Age Keep. 

 

Last, she still feels like a "Störfaktor"(I don't know the english word; disturbing factor?) in your party. I never liked how she can't get along with anyone.

 

Edit: Please excuse my English!

[TheLastArchivist]

May I make a stupid question? No? Well, here it goes anyway:

 

Why is the thread infested with bugs again?

 

[Terra_Ex]

May I make a stupid question? No? Well, here it goes anyway:

 

Why is the thread infested with bugs again?

 

It's a thread in-joke referring to the long running series of bugs present in Morrigan's dialogue and content in general. The current thread title came about when Witch Hunt launched with a critical bug where your previous choices weren't taken into account in dialogue with her (maybe across the module, I forget now). This of course came after a bugged Awakening romance slides, various bugs in Origins, etc and I think it happened again with the initial release of Inquisition.

 

It is time for a change though, imo, but it needs to be in keeping with the spirit of the Morri thread.