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A god who cannot resist the "call" of his grandmother evidently.  A woman who can, with apparent ease, separate the aspect of godhood from him, leaving him as a... normal child. Putting aside the fact that Flemeth only raises daughters, how exactly did her most recent attempt at parenting go again?

I don't think we can safely say that he can't resist her so much as he doesn't even try. It could be he feels an obligation to do it. Remember that when we first see them, Flemeth is kneeling before him. It could just be she is merely trying to be at eye level or she could be a sign of deference.

Also, Morrigan could hardly have predicted Flemeth would find them after a decade.

 

I don't think we know enough about Kieran to determine that he'd be fine- did Morrigan impart the same harsh lessons unto him that Flemeth did to her in order to prepare him for such an eventuality, or did she come down on the opposite end and coddle him? Somewhere in middle maybe?

I agree, we just don't know and there are many ways we could interpret it.

Maybe Morrigan feels that he can take care of himself or maybe she believe that even if he'll have less food or poorer clothes, it will be worth it if, from her viewpoint, she is not doing him any further damage.

 

As a hypothetical, what would your opinion be if Flemeth had moved faster, Kieran had died? Morrigan would have descended into misery and then have to explain to HoF (offscreen of course) how her selfish action not only undermined a great personal goal they both SHAREDarrow-10x10.png for the past few years (protecting and raising their son) and got their child killed. So, that little out of character moment, had things played out even slightly differently, could have major repercussions on a personal level for both Morrigan and HoF and sort of retroactively disrupts the little story the player built for themselves from DAO>DAI.

 

We're not iterating on this to be annoying btw, we genuinely want to determine an answer which we feel is acceptable.

Don't misunderstand, I think it was an irresponsible action on her part. Still, it's interesting to ponder whether she truly believe he would be better without her and thus it was a selfless action or if she was merely trying to justify her willingness to abandon her child making the choice selfish.



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I wish I could understand more of Kieran

his behavior is really strange

when Flemeth summons him he's all like "gotta go, bye mom" to Morrigan

and I'm like wtf

 

I don't think they explained this well at all



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I don't think we can safely say that he can't resist her so much as he doesn't even try. It could be he feels an obligation to do it. Remember that when we first see them, Flemeth is kneeling before him. It could just be she is merely trying to be at eye level or she could be a sign of deference.

Also, Morrigan could hardly have predicted Flemeth would find them after a decade.

Sure, but it's the same difference though, within the context of this conversation, Flemeth's motivations, good or bad, don't actually matter - to Morrigan. Whether he can't resist (which he does somewhat imply through dialogue as I recall), doesn't try to or is simply being tricked/manipulated by Flemeth (a master of the craft) or if it's something else entirely the result is the same. As the scene is framed, he's at Flemeth's side, even after embracing his mother, it's to Flemeth's side he returns, so at least as far as Morrigan is concerned whatever the circumstances are, his current situation is dire/undesirable in her eyes, hence why she has her almost in tears, falling to her knees moment. Though you can certainly make an argument that Kieran was not actually in any real danger as it was just a lure for Morrigan so Flemeth could test her while also grabbing the OGB soul.

I agree that she couldn't have known that Flemeth would find her- to an extent, which is why I've brought up the question as to whether she's grown complacent simply from having a happier/easier life over several years and is overreaching through hubris in that moment. However, circling back to an earlier point, Morrigan is charged with looking after Kieran, thus any actions that she undertakes which may adversely affect her ability to do that should give her pause.
 

Don't misunderstand, I think it was an irresponsible action on her part. Still, it's interesting to ponder whether she truly believe he would be better without her and thus it was a selfless action or if she was merely trying to justify her willingness to abandon her child making the choice selfish.

No, upon reflection and as outlined in my recent post on the self-doubt issue, I don't believe she really meant those words, but it's not really the words (regarding Kieran) I have a problem with so much as her actions in the deliberation section itself, to me it feels that it was someone's goal to remove any and all obstacles from Morrigan putting herself forward as a drinking candidate. To do that, they had to come up with a reason why she would potentially put her son (and Urthemial's soul, another unique prize to preserve) in danger. Secondly, you can literally tell her that she will be under a geas (which in essence wouldn't be far removed from possession, which Morri wasn't too keen on), this combined with all the other clues in the Temple of Mythal and in conjunction with the fact that Morrigan's purported expertise in elven lore is at least on par with an elven inquisitor (whom, like Andres Hendrix said on the previous page, could make a reasonable guess as to Flemeth being Mythal), the potential risks should have been more apparent to her and given her pause. Even more so if Abelas leaves unharmed, bearing in mind his parting words. That's my real issue with the scene, it's a kind of "but thou must" situation for her and if I'd seen her have a sliding scale of willingness to take that risk based on prior choices, I'd have had a lot more respect for the scene.

 

It's not a major deal breaker, but since she was handled near-flawlessly everywhere else, it sticks out to me. Since one can make a strong case for childless-Morrigan wanting the Well, it appears to be an instance where "generic" Morrigan wins out over the more nuanced variants. I can buy Morrigan wanting to partake in the Well when the whole venture starts off, to have something within her reach that can answer so many of her questions while feeling that she is doing some good in the world, I understand the temptation but as more and more questions are raised and you get to the final culmination, after evaluating the risks, I'd say her choice should have been different (and it should *never* fall to a secondary PC with no connection to her to talk her down in any case - that is meta-gaming).

But, Morrigan drinking does get her the Dragon powers (which I love so very much) and the dev notes do imply that the geas effect would be cancelled out... Like I said, it just sticks out, especially with what happens and what she does/says immediately after it, but that may indeed have been the intent, so as to better underline the fact that Kieran is important to her in the next scene and punctuate that growth with her refusal to agree to her mother's demands.



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On a lighter note, I would like you all to imagine how much improved Inquisition would be as a game if Kieran had Calvin's personality (à la Calvin and Hobbes). Imagine just walking along doing your business in Skyhold, maybe you're in a cutscene, and in the background you see Morrigan running after Kieran trying to keep him from destroying the fortress. Then imagine he and Sera getting into a prank war, culminating in what will hereafter be referred to as, "the Bee Incident".

 

And, the Cherry on top, he's always in the company of a little stuffed Mabari he keeps talking to.


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One question to you guys: During my DA:I playthrough, Morrigan said the Hero of Ferelden send her a letter which contents would even make Orlesian nobles blush. But I don't really understand the meaning of this, as I played with a world state where the Hero of Ferelden didn't support the dark ritual and was in a romance with Leliana. The content of the letter could be those of a "passionate love letter" or words of hate/distrust, but I really couldn't tell which of both is right.

 

Edit: I know this question could be posted in the Inquisition forums, but it's only a minor question and you guys are discussing Inquisition here anyway, so I posted it here.



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On a lighter note, I would like you all to imagine how much improved Inquisition would be as a game if Kieran had Calvin's personality (à la Calvin and Hobbes). Imagine just walking along doing your business in Skyhold, maybe you're in a cutscene, and in the background you see Morrigan running after Kieran trying to keep him from destroying the fortress. Then imagine he and Sera getting into a prank war, culminating in what will hereafter be referred to as, "the Bee Incident".

 

And, the Cherry on top, he's always in the company of a little stuffed Mabari he keeps talking to.

I kinda wish that Morri had either Dog or one of his brood with her in DAI and thinking on that, I'm not even sure what happened to Dog at the end of WH come to think of it.

 

One question to you guys: During my DA:I playthrough, Morrigan said the Hero of Ferelden send her a letter which contents would even make Orlesian nobles blush. But I don't really understand the meaning of this, as I played with a world state where the Hero of Ferelden didn't support the dark ritual and was in a romance with Leliana. The content of the letter could be those of a "passionate love letter" or words of hate/distrust, but I really couldn't tell which of both is right.

 

Edit: I know this question could be posted in the Inquisition forums, but it's only a minor question and you guys are discussing Inquisition here anyway, so I posted it here.

With how she voices it, yes, it's supposed to be a love letter... of the saucy kind. As to why you got it in that situation - sounds like a bug to me.



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With how she voices it, yes, it's supposed to be a love letter... of the saucy kind. As to why you got it in that situation - sounds like a bug to me.

 

Ok, that was my suspicion also but I wasn't really sure. It was a little odd because the rest of the dialogue seemed to be fitting.



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I was actually kind of sad that we couldn't talk to Kerian. I had so many things I wanted to ask him!



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I kinda wish that Morri had either Dog or one of his brood with her in DAI and thinking on that, I'm not even sure what happened to Dog at the end of WH come to think of it.

 

With how she voices it, yes, it's supposed to be a love letter... of the saucy kind. As to why you got it in that situation - sounds like a bug to me.

I headcanon that dog went with them through the mirror. Would have been nice if HoF had left dog there with Kieran and Morrigan, but I'm just going to pretend he took him on his journey west. Also, I've heard that the letter from the HoF is pretty bugged. In my playthrough he doesn't mention Morrigan or Kieran, but afterwards I get the saucy letter dialogue from Morrigan. So at least it found its way to her.

 

I was actually kind of sad that we couldn't talk to Kerian. I had so many things I wanted to ask him!

All I really wanted was just one mention from him about his father. Then the game would have been complete for me.



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I kinda wish that Morri had either Dog or one of his brood with her in DAI and thinking on that, I'm not even sure what happened to Dog at the end of WH come to think of it.

 

With how she voices it, yes, it's supposed to be a love letter... of the saucy kind. As to why you got it in that situation - sounds like a bug to me.

 LOL I always wondered if the dog went through the mirror

In my headcanon he followed my warden through the mirror, he was just behind him 

And since he's loyal as fack, he's still with my warden 



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I headcanon that dog went with them through the mirror. Would have been nice if HoF had left dog there with Kieran and Morrigan, but I'm just going to pretend he took him on his journey west. Also, I've heard that the letter from the HoF is pretty bugged. In my playthrough he doesn't mention Morrigan or Kieran, but afterwards I get the saucy letter dialogue from Morrigan. So at least it found its way to her.
 
All I really wanted was just one mention from him about his father. Then the game would have been complete for me.

Yes, that would have been good, as I mentioned previously, I feel that should have come up in the Fade sequence, perfect time for it really since all present bar the inquisitor have a connection to HoF.
And yes, the HoF's letter is bugged beyond belief, some people managed to get it, it's probably dependent on the order you do things. I looked it up on youtube in the end, which is a shame because it's a nice letter.

 

LOL I always wondered if the dog went through the mirror
In my headcanon he followed my warden through the mirror, he was just behind him 
And since he's loyal as fack, he's still with my warden

Yes, that's also my headcanon, I doubt Dog would let them leave him behind :D . Though I'd have found it ironic if Dog had ended up more attached to Morrigan than his master and I'm sure she'd have some snarky comment on her inability to be rid of the hound, even years later.
 

I was actually kind of sad that we couldn't talk to Kerian. I had so many things I wanted to ask him!

Such as?



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lol dog... he was so awesome! Mine was named Dogmeat, a nod to the Fallout series. My headcanon includes him (I think its a him) going through the eluvian... and basically my Warden re-assigning him to become Kieran's constant companion and protector. It would have been too precious to see him at Skyhold at Kieran's side.


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lol dog... he was so awesome! Mine was named Dogmeat, a nod to the Fallout series. My headcanon includes him (I think its a him) going through the eluvian... and basically my Warden re-assigning him to become Kieran's constant companion and protector. It would have been too precious to see him at Skyhold at Kieran's side.

That is exactly what I wish had happened. 

 

Also, does anyone else suffer from violent refusals to read any fanfic that involves Morrigan doing the DR with Alistair? If yes, anyone know a way to get over it, it's kinda getting embarrassing.



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That is exactly what I wish had happened. 
 
Also, does anyone else suffer from violent refusals to read any fanfic that involves Morrigan doing the DR with Alistair?


Me! Cuz the mental image of my pixel sister and lover shuggin each other is wrong on many levels.
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That is exactly what I wish had happened. 

 

Also, does anyone else suffer from violent refusals to read any fanfic that involves Morrigan doing the DR with Alistair? If yes, anyone know a way to get over it, it's kinda getting embarrassing.

 

 

Me! Cuz the mental image of my pixel sister and lover shuggin each other is wrong on many levels.

 

Same here. The thought of Alistair and Morrigan is...disturbing but even worse is the thought of Loghain and Morrigan. That one is sooooooo wrong to me in every possible way, just.....no.

 

My canon warden romances Morrigan so I´ve come to the conclusion that Morrigan+Warden is the only right combination for me. Those two belong to each other. Damn its just a game but I feel like a jealous husband or something whenever I hear something about Morrigan+Alistair or Morrigan+Loghain.

 

Disturbing thought...... :(



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On a lighter note, I would like you all to imagine how much improved Inquisition would be as a game if Kieran had Calvin's personality (à la Calvin and Hobbes). Imagine just walking along doing your business in Skyhold, maybe you're in a cutscene, and in the background you see Morrigan running after Kieran trying to keep him from destroying the fortress. Then imagine he and Sera getting into a prank war, culminating in what will hereafter be referred to as, "the Bee Incident".

 

And, the Cherry on top, he's always in the company of a little stuffed Mabari he keeps talking to.

Haven't even played Inquisition and I NEED TO SEE THIS.  SO BADLY.  XD



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This is totally off topic but I was playing origins today after not having done so in a long while..... BUT.... I got this idea in my head....and im positive im not the only one. WHAT IF morrigan was a man???? I know someone out there has to have some fan art or something!! I mean shes good looking and mysterious and all that as a woman but of course she doesnt fancy a female warden ugh! So rather than play as a man(which i just cant do for the entire game; personal preference) id love to see the concept of male morrigan! Lets just say its for kicks lol O:-) also if anyone has any fan art of any other DA characters as the opposite gender link me up! I just think it would be kinda cool to see!! The things you do to me, bioware :-D

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This is totally off topic but I was playing origins today after not having done so in a long while..... BUT.... I got this idea in my head....and im positive im not the only one. WHAT IF morrigan was a man???? I know someone out there has to have some fan art or something!! I mean shes good looking and mysterious and all that as a woman but of course she doesnt fancy a female warden ugh! So rather than play as a man(which i just cant do for the entire game; personal preference) id love to see the concept of male morrigan! Lets just say its for kicks lol O:-) also if anyone has any fan art of any other DA characters as the opposite gender link me up! I just think it would be kinda cool to see!! The things you do to me, bioware :-D

I've seen someone cosplay a gender swapped Morrigan on tumblr, and I'm pretty sure nvaderxim has a male morrigan fanart buried in her blog somewhere. I do know the idea has been played around with on tumblr, mostly in terms of a male morrigan getting a female warden pregnant for the DR and then stalking her throughout Awakening waiting for the baby to be born.



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That is exactly what I wish had happened. 

 

Also, does anyone else suffer from violent refusals to read any fanfic that involves Morrigan doing the DR with Alistair? If yes, anyone know a way to get over it, it's kinda getting embarrassing.

My Warden gringes when she's trying to bed you and states, " I have been with men physically, those who lusted after me and even professed love..."

 

Morrigan + Alistair = Bad

Morrigan + Loghain = Blasphemy!


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My Warden gringes when she's trying to bed you and states, " I have been with men physically, those who lusted after me and even professed love..."

 

Morrigan + Alistair = Bad

Morrigan + Loghain = Blasphemy!

The slight possibility that letting Loghain live could lead to him performing the DR has me reconsidering letting him live. It's going to get so bad where I'll probably make Anora Queen and let her execute Alistair, thus eliminating all potential DR rivals. The ultimate jealousy off between the Warden and Morrigan. XD



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Such as?

 

I did the Dark Ritual, so I wanted some kind of dialogue with him that would hint at how that's effected him. In game, all we get is that he feels lonely once Flemeth takes the old god soul from him.

 

I wanted to ask him what he thought of his mom.

 

I wanted to know what his life has been like. Morrigan said the nobles at court thought he might to an heir to someone. I wanted to hear Kerian's side of living in the palace.

 

I was curious if he's ever wondered about his father.



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I only post this because 2 of my favs won, but in honor of the NCAA's annual college basketball tournament, BW held a vote for the Dragon Age Ultimate Party. Over 2 rounds people voted for their favorite Mage, Rogue, Warrior and Leader.

 

http://www.dragonage...e-party-winners



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I only post this because 2 of my favs won, but in honor of the NCAA's annual college basketball tournament, BW held a vote for the Dragon Age Ultimate Party. Over 2 rounds people voted for their favorite Mage, Rogue, Warrior and Leader.

 

http://www.dragonage...e-party-winners

It seems rather telling that the Player Character and 2 companions from a near 6 year old game register as more popular than the Player Character and companions from a game not even 6 months old. But clearly nobody wants to play as the Warden again, cause their time being relevant in Thedas is over, right? Nobody would want to interact with companions like Alistair or Morrigan through their Warden again, right?


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It seems rather telling that the Player Character and 2 companions from a near 6 year old game register as more popular than the Player Character and companions from a game not even 6 months old. But clearly nobody wants to play as the Warden again, cause their time being relevant in Thedas is over, right? Nobody would want to interact with companions like Alistair or Morrigan through their Warden again, right?

Sadly, BW will never go back to the Warden, if only out of the current team's desperate deire to 'Cover Their Own Asses…' well, we didn’t choose the Warden for DA2, you don’t expect our weak asses to admit complete and utter failure on our part? Do you?

 

After the complete and utter failure of DA2, you knew they couldn’t go back to bozo…. Er, I mean Hawke. But they would never admit changing the protagonist was a failure, so going back to the Warden was never an option, only because the clowns in charge would never admit to ****** up.

 

I absolute adored DG’s 5 points of denial before DA2 was released. There was a certain delicious satisfaction when EA offered FREE copies of ME2 to anyone who would purchase the absurdity that was DA2... (AKA NEGOTIATION). This truly has to be the epitome of the Chickens coming home to Roost.

 

To Broc's original point… hindsight being 20/20, I am sure DA2 would have been a different game, featuring the return of the only hero in Thedas that matters, the Warden, if they had known how things would have turned out. Unfortunately, DA fans have had to suffer the misfortune of dwindling talent mixed with the desire for profit.



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The slight possibility that letting Loghain live could lead to him performing the DR has me reconsidering letting him live. It's going to get so bad where I'll probably make Anora Queen and let her execute Alistair, thus eliminating all potential DR rivals. The ultimate jealousy off between the Warden and Morrigan. XD

 

Hehe, in my main world state Loghain always lives, Anora rules Alone and yep...alistair always ends up in the pyre. To me is my best course of action and decisions then I let Loghain to sacrifice himself in the fade in order to save Hawke, because he still has someone to live for with Isabela while Loghain can die with honor, heroism and redemption after what he did during the Blight. I liked Anora's cameo during the quest with the mages.I also like having a Queen in Ferelden and an Empress in Orlais, it seems that in Dragon Age and in Bioware they give a lot of importance to the female characters, and I like that in comparison to for example Assassin's Creed who keep killing the women. 

 

It made my game so much easier and better, The Warden with Morrigan and both in love and performing the ritual, no jealousy, no alternative options or rivals. 


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