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[Damdil]

Sadly, BW will never go back to the Warden, if only out of the current team's desperate deire to 'Cover Their Own Asses…' well, we didn’t choose the Warden for DA2, you don’t expect our weak asses to admit complete and utter failure on our part? Do you?

 

After the complete and utter failure of DA2, you knew they couldn’t go back to bozo…. Er, I mean Hawke. But they would never admit changing the protagonist was a failure, so going back to the Warden was never an option, only because the clowns in charge would never admit to ****** up.

 

I absolute adored DG’s 5 points of denial before DA2 was released. There was a certain delicious satisfaction when EA offered FREE copies of ME2 to anyone who would purchase the absurdity that was DA2... (AKA NEGOTIATION). This truly has to be the epitome of the Chickens coming home to Roost.

 

To Broc's original point… hindsight being 20/20, I am sure DA2 would have been a different game, featuring the return of the only hero in Thedas that matters, the Warden, if they had known how things would have turned out. Unfortunately, DA fans have had to suffer the misfortune of dwindling talent mixed with the desire for profit.

 

It would be really sad if you're right. I hoped to see the Warden and most parts of his original party again. I was really disappointed with his "apperance" in Inquisition, my first thought after seeing this specific war table mission was that he's actually making a comeback. Well I still hope someday it'll happen, but in its current state, I think Inquisition won't feature another main character than the Inquisitor. Also I don't really enjoy the game (while I'm still hoping the mod community may be able to improve it)but it may be more fun with a more interesting protagonist than the Inquisitor. Lots of potential lost, would have been better to bring the same main character in every DA game. I liked that very much about the ME trilogy.

 

Edit: While DA2 surely isn't half as good as Origins, I personally like it better than Inquisition (with the right mods). It just feels more like Dragon Age for me. Inquisition doesn't have much in common with Origins and DA2, wouldn't it be for some "old friends" and the same game world. To be honest, this game doesn't transport the atmosphere of the DA universe in the least.

[BurningLizard]

Sooo, I found this out:

 

Morrigan is an Irish name that means “War Goddess”.

Kieran is an Irish name that means “Dark”.

Aedan is an Irish name that means “Little Fire”. 

 

So basically a Cousland Warden "Little Fire" created the "Dark (ie/ shadow)" with the "War Goddess."

 

Imma go ahead and assume this means a Cousland Warden with Morrigan is the ultimate canon of canons.

[Andrew Lucas]

Freakin' hell, I miss that snarky witch.

The things I would do to play with my Warden again....

[Brockololly]

Sadly, BW will never go back to the Warden, if only out of the current team's desperate deire to 'Cover Their Own Asses…' well, we didn’t choose the Warden for DA2, you don’t expect our weak asses to admit complete and utter failure on our part? Do you?

 

After the complete and utter failure of DA2, you knew they couldn’t go back to bozo…. Er, I mean Hawke. But they would never admit changing the protagonist was a failure, so going back to the Warden was never an option, only because the clowns in charge would never admit to ****** up.

 

I absolute adored DG’s 5 points of denial before DA2 was released. There was a certain delicious satisfaction when EA offered FREE copies of ME2 to anyone who would purchase the absurdity that was DA2... (AKA NEGOTIATION). This truly has to be the epitome of the Chickens coming home to Roost.

 

To Broc's original point… hindsight being 20/20, I am sure DA2 would have been a different game, featuring the return of the only hero in Thedas that matters, the Warden, if they had known how things would have turned out. Unfortunately, DA fans have had to suffer the misfortune of dwindling talent mixed with the desire for profit.

 

I don't know that I'd be quite so negative about the developers but it does seem odd to me at least how with DA2 and even Inquisition, those games are making mistakes that Origins didn't make. Like how people complained about DA2's copy/paste environments, BioWare knee jerks the other way towards Skyrim and makes zones that are far too big for the amount of content they can actually supply and resort to Ubisoft style open world collectathon garbage. But did nobody stop and look at Origins in that process? I mean, Origins struck a pretty nice balance with story and side quests and presentation values, I thought. So why not make something more like Origins but maybe slightly larger more explorable zones but not the vast wastelands you end up with too often in DAI? You can look at that, how they still goofed the Tactical Camera when Origins got that mostly right... the list goes on.

 

 

Back to the Warden and Morrigan though, I'm not even inherently opposed to multiple protagonists for new games. On the contrary, that can be a cool idea. It's just that if you're trying to expand and flesh out the larger world of Thedas, why not use those old Player Characters like the Warden in cool ways, like having them playable for a quest or two, if the story calls for it? Or if you're interacting with an old companion? Just use the PC most fitting the story, situation and characters.

 

It would be really sad if you're right. I hoped to see the Warden and most parts of his original party again. I was really disappointed with his "apperance" in Inquisition, my first thought after seeing this specific war table mission was that he's actually making a comeback. Well I still hope someday it'll happen, but in its current state, I think Inquisition won't feature another main character than the Inquisitor. Also I don't really enjoy the game (while I'm still hoping the mod community may be able to improve it)but it may be more fun with a more interesting protagonist than the Inquisitor. Lots of potential lost, would have been better to bring the same main character in every DA game. I liked that very much about the ME trilogy.

Its not even so much about not having the same PC in every game so much as it is having the right PC for the right story. Like in Inquisition, how much more engaging and emotional would the scene with Kieran, Morrigan and Flemeth in the Fade have been if you had been able to play as your Warden? Or even just play out the resolution of that whole OGB plot as your Warden? Surely it would have been more engaging than being stuck as your Inquisitor who has zero emotional ties to anything that's going on there and you're stuck looking like an aloof creep intruding on somebody's personal family affairs.

 

Freakin' hell, I miss that snarky witch.

The things I would do to play with my Warden again....

 

I think that's the important distinction for me. If Morrigan were to come back again (which I think is possible, more on that in an incoming mega post) how engaged I'd be with her depends on how they handle her. Look at that Ultimate Party vote they had and I don't think its coincidence that it was 3 out of 4 characters being from Origins- the Warden, Alistair and Morrigan. All those characters had great interplay between each other, with the Warden able to craft some really dynamic relationships with either Morrigan and Alistair, and Morrigan and Alistair having some great banter between each other. So that's the catch for me- having Morrigan, Alistair or any old companion for that matter show up in some new game means I'd want to be playing as the corresponding Player Character to interact with those companions on as personal a level as possible.

 

And its not like BioWare hasn't handed off control to a new PC before either- look at the brief stint as Joker in ME2 or with DA:O you had Leliana's Song as DLC where you weren't playing as the Warden. And hell, they even overhauled the dialogue system there for just that DLC. Why couldn't they do the same for some DLC where you play as the Warden again? They did it before.

[Damdil]

 

Its not even so much about not having the same PC in every game so much as it is having the right PC for the right story. Like in Inquisition, how much more engaging and emotional would the scene with Kieran, Morrigan and Flemeth in the Fade have been if you had been able to play as your Warden? Or even just play out the resolution of that whole OGB plot as your Warden? Surely it would have been more engaging than being stuck as your Inquisitor who has zero emotional ties to anything that's going on there and you're stuck looking like an aloof creep intruding on somebody's personal family affairs.

 

 

I get your point. But I want to say is that the ME games got a lot more interesting for me because I liked the main character very much and most of the party members were also well written. I wasn't hyped for every part of the ME trilogy but I was curious in how the story and the characters were developing. Also great how a lot of characters recognize Shepard as "The hero of the Batarian Blitz" if you choose this as a personal background and all these little details.

 

As you already said, the Inquisitor was more or less a lifeless shell, his race doesn't really matter and it was really hard to put oneself in his position. A boring main character is really a no go for a RPG. A Warden DLC may be an option, BUT I don't really like the game mechanics of Inquisition itself and seeing the policy of Bioware/EA towards the "old-established" DA-fans I'm not to thrilled thinking about throwing good 15€ for one(!!) DLC down their throat. (Sorry for my English!)

[Ash Wind]

I don't know that I'd be quite so negative about the developers but it does seem odd to me at least how with DA2 and even Inquisition, those games are making mistakes that Origins didn't make. Like how people complained about DA2's copy/paste environments, BioWare knee jerks the other way towards Skyrim and makes zones that are far too big for the amount of content they can actually supply and resort to Ubisoft style open world collectathon garbage. But did nobody stop and look at Origins in that process? I mean, Origins struck a pretty nice balance with story and side quests and presentation values, I thought. So why not make something more like Origins but maybe slightly larger more explorable zones but not the vast wastelands you end up with too often in DAI? You can look at that, how they still goofed the Tactical Camera when Origins got that mostly right... the list goes on.

 

 

Back to the Warden and Morrigan though, I'm not even inherently opposed to multiple protagonists for new games. On the contrary, that can be a cool idea. It's just that if you're trying to expand and flesh out the larger world of Thedas, why not use those old Player Characters like the Warden in cool ways, like having them playable for a quest or two, if the story calls for it? Or if you're interacting with an old companion? Just use the PC most fitting the story, situation and characters.

 

Its not even so much about not having the same PC in every game so much as it is having the right PC for the right story. Like in Inquisition, how much more engaging and emotional would the scene with Kieran, Morrigan and Flemeth in the Fade have been if you had been able to play as your Warden? Or even just play out the resolution of that whole OGB plot as your Warden? Surely it would have been more engaging than being stuck as your Inquisitor who has zero emotional ties to anything that's going on there and you're stuck looking like an aloof creep intruding on somebody's personal family affairs.

 

 

I think that's the important distinction for me. If Morrigan were to come back again (which I think is possible, more on that in an incoming mega post) how engaged I'd be with her depends on how they handle her. Look at that Ultimate Party vote they had and I don't think its coincidence that it was 3 out of 4 characters being from Origins- the Warden, Alistair and Morrigan. All those characters had great interplay between each other, with the Warden able to craft some really dynamic relationships with either Morrigan and Alistair, and Morrigan and Alistair having some great banter between each other. So that's the catch for me- having Morrigan, Alistair or any old companion for that matter show up in some new game means I'd want to be playing as the corresponding Player Character to interact with those companions on as personal a level as possible.

 

And its not like BioWare hasn't handed off control to a new PC before either- look at the brief stint as Joker in ME2 or with DA:O you had Leliana's Song as DLC where you weren't playing as the Warden. And hell, they even overhauled the dialogue system there for just that DLC. Why couldn't they do the same for some DLC where you play as the Warden again? They did it before.

Its all good, we can agree to disagree. DA hasn’t been DA since BK left and the current regime took hold. A regime that appears to want to be anything and everything… EXCEPT DAO, and has had 2 efforts that resulted in 1) Complete Failure and 2), slight redemption, but not all that great a story that is only saved by its pretty and vast skyrim-inspired landscapes. I will absolutely defer to the negative on that front, and will take no prisoners.

 

The simplest analogy I can present is those of children… they either reflect their parents… or are the complete opposite of their parents. Seems to me that some felt the need to so drastically change DA for DA2, in order to prove their independence, that somewhere along the way, they lost their way.

 

If I felt the Warden’s story was over, I wouldn’t mind the changing protagonist. However their story wasn’t over, instead they felt the need to make a ME style generic protagonist that would fit the mold in the name of expanded cinematics… I still would love to know where they got the idea watching a game was more enjoyable than playing one.

 

As for bringing back old PCs...,  well, we've see how Hawke fans have reacted to his/her return, and much of it isn’t pretty. It becomes little more than a poorly executed attempt at fan service that will satisfy some and alienate most others. At this point, I am fine with the Warden being off on his own quest, because quite frankly, I don’t trust the current devs not to absolutely FUBAR any type of Warden return beyond all recognition.

 

I don't think we'll see the Warden again, even though he/she Won the Ultimate Party Leader! But it did give me a sense of satisfaction that 3 of the 4 winners were my favorites. If Morrigan and Kieran appear in later episodes, we can only hope that they respect the role of the Warden. But the further away from DAO we get, the easier it is for he/she to get lost in the shuffle, until they're barely mentioned.

[MisterJB]

Sooo, I found this out:

 

Morrigan is an Irish name that means “War Goddess”.

Kieran is an Irish name that means “Dark”.

Aedan is an Irish name that means “Little Fire”. 

 

So basically a Cousland Warden "Little Fire" created the "Dark (ie/ shadow)" with the "War Goddess."

 

Imma go ahead and assume this means a Cousland Warden with Morrigan is the ultimate canon of canons.

Not trying to put anyone's Wardens down or anything but I think it's very likely Kieran was designed with the Cousland Origin in mind.

 

 

[Mr Plow]

wait a minute...if that Fergus has been up to no good with Morri

[Ash Wind]

No way! All of my Kieran's have been Cousland+Morrigan's.... so there's only a natural resemblance!

[BurningLizard]

I do love the fact that the design of Kieran seems so similar to Oren. Since my main canon warden is a Cousland it makes the roleplaying in my head that much easier. 

 

I would kill for a scene where Fergus meets his nephew and comments on the familial resemblance. 

[line_genrou]

You can see the Cousland jawline on Kieran

My warden also had it, plus that hair color

He looks a lot like my warden

[MisterJB]

I wonder how little Kieran was when Papa Warden left.

I'm picturing him returning 15 years from now and their re encounter being much like when Ed sees Hohenheim in front of Trisha's grave.

[Terra_Ex]

I've been remiss in my Morri thread ramblings, so catching up with some highlights:
 

I did the Dark Ritual, so I wanted some kind of dialogue with him that would hint at how that's effected him. In game, all we get is that he feels lonely once Flemeth takes the old god soul from him.
 
I wanted to ask him what he thought of his mom.
 
I wanted to know what his life has been like. Morrigan said the nobles at court thought he might to an heir to someone. I wanted to hear Kerian's side of living in the palace.
 
I was curious if he's ever wondered about his father.

These are all good points and it would have been enlightening to hear more on them. Having some exposition on how Morri taught him to use/control his power would also have been pretty interesting, I think. Laidlaw had something to say on this recently:
 

It was important to us that he be more than just a plot device. We wanted to make sure he came across as a real kid with real hopes, dreams and aspirations, and we wanted him to have had a distinct effect on Morrigan, which I think helps make his character feel real for players who knew Morrigan in Origins.

Her character, in fact, deals with each of her major beats quite differently depending on whether she is a mother, and by choosing to create those distinct paths for her dialogs and scenes, it made her relationship and role with Kieran all the more distinct and, I think, powerful.

That he was voiced by Claudia Black's (who voices Morrigan) own son, and that she helped direct him in the delivery, made the whole thing even cooler.

Kieran's hopes and dreams - I think allowing the player to interact with him more than once might have helped on that front. There's lots of other stuff they could have done to branch out beyond the baseline- have HoF also include another letter for his son, toss in a line from Kieran that he's happy that his father wrote to him, allude to wanting to grow up and go on adventures with him or something, have some chiding remark from Morrigan and so on... It is so easy it is to take these things and expand them beyond just the Kieran & Morrigan setup - in just a few lines I've further impressed the idea that these three are a family, personalised it to the player's story in DA:O and managed to get Kieran to talk about his father. As ever It's all in the little details and with that setup it's so easy to just keep on hitting the feels on the player's part - in a "good" fourth wall type of way. This isn't to downplay what they did, but it could have been more than what it was if that's what they were going for.

 

I'll have to vehemently disagree with Mike's second statement though, suffice it to say I didn't take Morri's actions as presented in the WoS if she's a mother as her "dealing with things differently." 

 

Hehe, in my main world state Loghain always lives, Anora rules Alone and yep...alistair always ends up in the pyre. To me is my best course of action and decisions then I let Loghain to sacrifice himself in the fade in order to save Hawke, because he still has someone to live for with Isabela while Loghain can die with honor, heroism and redemption after what he did during the Blight. I liked Anora's cameo during the quest with the mages.I also like having a Queen in Ferelden and an Empress in Orlais, it seems that in Dragon Age and in Bioware they give a lot of importance to the female characters, and I like that in comparison to for example Assassin's Creed who keep killing the women. 
 
It made my game so much easier and better, The Warden with Morrigan and both in love and performing the ritual, no jealousy, no alternative options or rivals.

Poor Al. The guy is HoF's best buddy (and his lackey) and thus best suited to be sat on the throne with Anora, where he can annoy her while HoF deals with more pressing matters. Plus when Al's the king he doesn't have time to think about how HoF overshadows him at every turn and become upset about it years later. Thus allowing the grand puppetmaster, HoF, to call in favours from his friends in high places should he ever need to. Plus on the off chance that Morri & HoF somehow survive and get this mythical sunset ending BioWare thinks exists, Morri can become Alistair's arcane advisor, which I'm sure he'd be just thrilled by, he'd probably voluntarily exile himself.
 

I wonder how little was Kieran when Papa Warden left.
I'm picturing him returning 15 years from now and their re encounter being much like when Ed sees Hohenheim in front of Trisha's grave.

Regards FMA, in my not-so-serious headcanon I've always pictured HoF as more of an Armstrong type figure, bursting into an impassioned speech while Morri just facepalms at the whole spectacle and how much he's embarrassing her.

But anyway, here's a timeline answer which you can extrapolate from:
http://www.dragonage...humans/morrigan
 
"This Witch of the Wilds arrived in Orlais rather suddenly three years ago as the newly-appointed “arcane advisor” to Empress Celene."

 

So,

9:30 Dragon The Fifth Blight begins 
9:32/9:33 Witch Hunt
9:41 Dragon The Conclave explosion 

I guess with WH being 2.5 years after DAO (I know the timeline was originally wonky, but it seems Bio corrected the dates)) Morri had lived with HoF and Kieran for quite a few years. So, Morrigan turns up in Orlais in 9:38 it seems, thus was with HoF & Kieran for 5/6 years at most (unless he left earlier than that), though whether that time was spent entirely in another world is debatable. But you can guess how old Kieran was thereabouts from that outline.
 

Not trying to put anyone's Wardens down or anything but I think it's very likely Kieran was designed with the Cousland Origin in mind.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers supported a majority proportion of Morri romancers using male human noble as their Origin so at least in that respect, Kieran's appearance makes sense. When you look at the Mass Effect figures Bio released, I'd be very surprised if male human noble was not the majority choice of origin background. Seeing him compared to Oren - it is actually quite close. Makes me want to replay the Cousland origin again...
 
On that note a Cousland family portrait with all surviving members & Morrigan (looking all uncomfortable/grumpy) would be awesome. Someone needs to commission a grand painting of HoF/Morri/Kieran and Feargus and hang it in the (hopefully now rebuilt) Castle Cousland. Everyone smiling happilly except Morri who will of course be complaining bitterly. Where's ximena when we need her?

 

Anyway, back to Pillars of Eternity for me.

[BurningLizard]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers supported a majority proportion of Morri romancers using male human noble as their Origin so at least in that respect, Kieran's appearance makes sense. When you look at the Mass Effect figures Bio released, I'd be very surprised if male human noble was not the majority choice of origin background. Seeing him compared to Oren - it is actually quite close. Makes me want to replay the Cousland origin again...

 
On that note a Cousland family portrait with all surviving members & Morrigan (looking all uncomfortable/grumpy) would be awesome. Someone needs to commission a grand painting of HoF/Morri/Kieran and Feargus and hang it in the (hopefully now rebuilt) Castle Cousland. Everyone smiling happilly except Morri who will of course be complaining bitterly. Where's ximena when we need her?

Based on the FF.net numbers for Morri x Warden fics, the Cousland origin seems to outnumber the rest. ...just don't try to compare the cousland with other romance partner numbers, it will make you sad.

 

And yes, I need that portrait!

I wonder how little was Kieran when Papa Warden left.

I'm picturing him returning 15 years from now and their re encounter being much like when Ed sees Hohenheim in front of Trisha's grave.

I imagine it more like: 

 

"Mother, there's some vagabond here to see you."

[line_genrou]

I wonder how little Kieran was when Papa Warden left.

I'm picturing him returning 15 years from now and their re encounter being much like when Ed sees Hohenheim in front of Trisha's grave.

 

To be honest I don't think the warden left so long ago

Morrigan says Kieran misses him, so the kid was at least at an age aware of his surroundings

 

I wonder if Morrigan went after him like she said she would

The way she acted at the temple of mythal was really off

[BurningLizard]

To be honest I don't think the warden left so long ago

Morrigan says Kieran misses him, so the kid was at least at an age aware of his surroundings

 

I wonder if Morrigan went after him like she said she would

The way she acted at the temple of mythal was really off

Honestly I always assume that the HoF left in 9:40 or just before then, since Leliana is searching for him at the end of DA2 and doesn't it say somewhere that the HoF disappeared around that time? So that would mean that honestly he'd really only be gone for about a year, and Kieran being around eight or nine at that time would easily remember him. 

 

If this is correct that would also mean that the three of them lived together in Orlais from about 9:37-9:40 and I have nothing but massive approval for that.

[StaceysChain]

Based on the FF.net numbers for Morri x Warden fics, the Cousland origin seems to outnumber the rest. ...just don't try to compare the cousland with other romance partner numbers, it will make you sad.

 

It does! I romanced Morrigan with my Tabris and I really wish there were more Tabris/Morri fics out there! Tabris seems to be the least popular pairing with Morrigan (just my luck - I always seem to pair my characters with the least popular ones - e.g. Leliana/FAmell, Josephine/MLavellan lol), but by a stroke of dumb luck, Kieran actually has the same nose as my Warden. 

[Lord_Anthonior]

Poor Al. The guy is HoF's best buddy (and his lackey) and thus best suited to be sat on the throne with Anora, where he can annoy her while HoF deals with more pressing matters. Plus when Al's the king he doesn't have time to think about how HoF overshadows him at every turn and become upset about it years later. Thus allowing the grand puppetmaster, HoF, to call in favours from his friends in high places should he ever need to. Plus on the off chance that Morri & HoF somehow survive and get this mythical sunset ending BioWare thinks exists, Morri can become Alistair's arcane advisor, which I'm sure he'd be just thrilled by, he'd probably voluntarily exile himself.

 

 

Haha, that would be some other interesting path regarding alistair and somehow quiet funny to put a puppet in a Throne. Alas, for my HoF my best buddy was Oghren and bodyguard was Sten so obviously I didn't had any necessity of bringing alistair along the quest. I really liked the banter between Morrigan with Oghren and Sten. The very first walkthrough I played back then I was a warrior and brought alistair in the party (big mistake for me, it turned out a bit annoying) so since then I have always played as a Cousland Rogue and left alistair at camp as soon as I left Lothering and didn't brought him back until the Landsmeet. 

 

I bought a screen capture for the ps3 just a couple of days ago and what did I do? I JUST started a full run of Dragon age. Origins, 2 and Inquisition one after the other and taping some of the quests and gameplay, it's entertaining while I wait for May and "The Jaws of Hakkon" DLC. 

 

I saw the Fereldan Landsmeet as the Orlesian Game, all the politics and arguments that I actually really liked. It was interesting how in the Fereldan great game alistair didn't stood a chance for something he didn't want to have anyways. Anora could be always grateful to the HoF for the throne and for keeping her father alive while leaving Ferelden with a strong and beloved leader by the people and a cunning player of the game vs. Celene, alistair would just be so damn bad for that sort of things and Eamon could not help him in everything. So in my point of view, both Anora and Celene are in debt with the Hof and the Inquisitor and Morrigan is placed in a really good place with them, "husband/lover" of the HoF, mother of his child and a powerful ally of the Inquisitor. Hehe I just can't picture alistiar being in that situation and knowing how to take advantage from it by his own wits. That's one of the many reason why I have always considered Morrigan to be absolutely amazing and why I didn't hesitate at all in sending him to the pyre hehe. 

 

Another thing, I really agree to see the portrait of the Cousland Family, though I think it would be tricky because every HoF is different so I guess it would be better for everyone to see a portrait with the HoF in a helmet or cowl, that way everyone can relate to that portrait instead of just an specific HoF.  

[BurningLizard]

It does! I romanced Morrigan with my Tabris and I really wish there were more Tabris/Morri fics out there! Tabris seems to be the least popular pairing with Morrigan (just my luck - I always seem to pair my characters with the least popular ones - e.g. Leliana/FAmell, Josephine/MLavellan lol), but by a stroke of dumb luck, Kieran actually has the same nose as my Warden. 

If it makes you feel any better, we all chose the least popular ship by choosing Morrigan. So really all the Cousland/Morrigan shippers can claim is being the most popular incarnation of the least popular ship. 

[line_genrou]

Honestly I always assume that the HoF left in 9:40 or just before then, since Leliana is searching for him at the end of DA2 and doesn't it say somewhere that the HoF disappeared around that time? So that would mean that honestly he'd really only be gone for about a year, and Kieran being around eight or nine at that time would easily remember him. 

 

If this is correct that would also mean that the three of them lived together in Orlais from about 9:37-9:40 and I have nothing but massive approval for that.

 

Morrigan said that their life together was not so domestic

I believe the HoF wasn't around the orlesian court while Morrigan was working for Celene, that would be something of note if anyone knew he was there, and they also don't seem to know he's Morrigan husband and Kieran's father

Either he was still with the wardens, doing warden stuff and every now and then would show up in disguise or whatever to see Morrigan and Kieran

that's my headcanon because that's what fits with the info we got from DAI

[BurningLizard]

Morrigan said that their life together was not so domestic

I believe the HoF wasn't around the orlesian court while Morrigan was working for Celene, that would be something of note if anyone knew he was there, and they also don't seem to know he's Morrigan husband and Kieran's father

Either he was still with the wardens, doing warden stuff and every now and then would show up in disguise or whatever to see Morrigan and Kieran

that's my headcanon because that's what fits with the info we got from DAI

As much as I like my Together in Orlais headcanon, I think your version makes more sense with what we're given, with all the references to the HoF being around before disappearing in 9:40. Oh well, at least they had the crossroads.

[MisterJB]

How do you think Morrigan reacted to the Broodmother?
Would she have maintained her stoicism and rebutted any shows of concern? Would she have, exceptionally, not minded if the Warden slept closer the next time they set up camp?

Maybe both? Maybe she wouldn't be bothered in the slightest?  

[Heidirs]

If it makes you feel any better, we all chose the least popular ship by choosing Morrigan. So really all the Cousland/Morrigan shippers can claim is being the most popular incarnation of the least popular ship. 

 

Loghain wouldn't be the least popular paring in that case? 

[Terra_Ex]

Honestly I always assume that the HoF left in 9:40 or just before then, since Leliana is searching for him at the end of DA2 and doesn't it say somewhere that the HoF disappeared around that time? So that would mean that honestly he'd really only be gone for about a year, and Kieran being around eight or nine at that time would easily remember him. 
 
If this is correct that would also mean that the three of them lived together in Orlais from about 9:37-9:40 and I have nothing but massive approval for that.

If you assume that Morrigan went straight to the court after leaving the Crossroads, then no, as Morrigan outlines, that would likely represent a vulnerability for others to exploit. I could probably see HoF going with them to Orlais and then setting off on his own from there. The implication is that they've been apart for some time. Morrigan's words were "Where he went, Kieran could not follow, and thus I remained behind to look after our son." - maybe I'm assuming too much, but to me that implies they'd already left Eluvian Land and gone elsewhere before HoF actually left on his journey, so that the "staying behind" remark actually makes (more) sense. In reality, we're probably thinking on it FAR more than the writers did, as is our wont.
 
Bizarrely, considering that I generally like HoF and Morri to be together as much as possible, I actually prefer the idea that he's been gone for a lengthy period of time, absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that. Having Morri invent increasingly outlandish excuses over time as to why she's totally not missing HoF and her reaction when they do finally meet up again and she has all this pent up emotion and doesn't know how to deal with it, yeah, it's nice. I kind of have a picture in my head of Morrigan trying to write HoF a letter in response but growing frustrated and embarrassed as she sees her own feelings take shape on the paper in front of her, ultimately culminating in her giving up on the endeavour and throwing the crumpled sheet away in defeat. Would be a nice nod to the lack of a letter from Morri in Awakening too.
 

I bought a screen capture for the ps3 just a couple of days ago and what did I do? I JUST started a full run of Dragon age. Origins, 2 and Inquisition one after the other and taping some of the quests and gameplay, it's entertaining while I wait for May and "The Jaws of Hakkon" DLC. 
 
I saw the Fereldan Landsmeet as the Orlesian Game, all the politics and arguments that I actually really liked. It was interesting how in the Fereldan great game alistair didn't stood a chance for something he didn't want to have anyways. Anora could be always grateful to the HoF for the throne and for keeping her father alive while leaving Ferelden with a strong and beloved leader by the people and a cunning player of the game vs. Celene, alistair would just be so damn bad for that sort of things and Eamon could not help him in everything. So in my point of view, both Anora and Celene are in debt with the Hof and the Inquisitor and Morrigan is placed in a really good place with them, "husband/lover" of the HoF, mother of his child and a powerful ally of the Inquisitor. Hehe I just can't picture alistiar being in that situation and knowing how to take advantage from it by his own wits. That's one of the many reason why I have always considered Morrigan to be absolutely amazing and why I didn't hesitate at all in sending him to the pyre hehe. 
 
Another thing, I really agree to see the portrait of the Cousland Family, though I think it would be tricky because every HoF is different so I guess it would be better for everyone to see a portrait with the HoF in a helmet or cowl, that way everyone can relate to that portrait instead of just an specific HoF.

Well, so long as you're having fun. I'd get major burn out playing all those similar games back to back.
Personally, I'd keep Al around to keep Anora in check, as much as he's able at least. Alistair needs to stick around just for the banter possibilities should Morri & HoF ever decide to stop by Denerim in the future. The look on his face as his best buddy HoF and arch nemesis, Morrigan, drop by for a visit would be priceless.
 

Based on the FF.net numbers for Morri x Warden fics, the Cousland origin seems to outnumber the rest. ...just don't try to compare the cousland with other romance partner numbers, it will make you sad.

If it makes you feel any better, we all chose the least popular ship by choosing Morrigan. So really all the Cousland/Morrigan shippers can claim is being the most popular incarnation of the least popular ship. 

Quality>quantity, friend. Having the romantic interest of the straight male be ignored in fanfiction circles is nothing new, really, I'd be amazed if DA were any different from any other fandom in that respect. I'll stop there lest I ruffle some feathers. But a lot of you guys have been complaining about this a lot recently, is there really such a dearth of quality Morri/Warden material, surely there are at least a few decent pieces out there?
 

How do you think Morrigan reacted to the Broodmother?
Would she have maintained her stoicism and rebutted any shows of concern? Would she have, exceptionally, not minded if the Warden slept closer the next time they set up camp?
Maybe both? Maybe she wouldn't be bothered in the slightest?

"Ugly, twisted, tainted, but still nicer than my Mother."

In all seriousness, that's an interesting question, I'm not sure so I'll have to ponder on it.
 
 
And I know I'm very late in addressing this due to my absence from the DA realm, but whoever commissioned these from aimo, you have my thanks. I had some serious feels when I happened upon these. I can't even look at that second pic for more than a few seconds, that's how powerful it is - damn. My warden would so have a Jack Bauer-esque reaction to such an event, many heads would roll in his quest to find the perpetrator. But the first image does such a great job of highlighting some amazing moments in Morrigan's life; Morri crying over the broken mirror, that kiss and then her in the Orlesian getup, I need to lie down...

 

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If you assume that Morrigan went straight to the court after leaving the Crossroads, then no, as Morrigan outlines, that would likely represent a vulnerability for others to exploit. I could probably see HoF going with them to Orlais and then setting off on his own from there. The implication is that they've been apart for some time. Morrigan's words were "Where he went, Kieran could not follow, and thus I remained behind to look after our son." - maybe I'm assuming too much, but to me that implies they'd already left Eluvian Land and gone elsewhere before HoF actually left on his journey, so that the "staying behind" remark actually makes (more) sense. In reality, we're probably thinking on it FAR more than the writers did, as is our wont.
 
Bizarrely, considering that I generally like HoF and Morri to be together as much as possible, I actually prefer the idea that he's been gone for a lengthy period of time, absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that. Having Morri invent increasingly outlandish excuses over time as to why she's totally not missing HoF and her reaction when they do finally meet up again and she has all this pent up emotion and doesn't know how to deal with it, yeah, it's nice. I kind of have a picture in my head of Morrigan trying to write HoF a letter in response but growing frustrated and embarrassed as she sees her own feelings take shape on the paper in front of her, ultimately culminating in her giving up on the endeavour and throwing the crumpled sheet away in defeat. Would be a nice nod to the lack of a letter from Morri in Awakening too.
 

Well, so long as you're having fun. I'd get major burn out playing all those similar games back to back.
Personally, I'd keep Al around to keep Anora in check, as much as he's able at least. Alistair needs to stick around just for the banter possibilities should Morri & HoF ever decide to stop by Denerim in the future. The look on his face as his best buddy HoF and arch nemesis, Morrigan, drop by for a visit would be priceless.
 

Quality>quantity, friend. Having the romantic interest of the straight male be ignored in fanfiction circles is nothing new, really, I'd be amazed if DA were any different from any other fandom in that respect. I'll stop there lest I ruffle some feathers. But a lot of you guys have been complaining about this a lot recently, is there really such a dearth of quality Morri/Warden material, surely there are at least a few decent pieces out there?
 

"Ugly, twisted, tainted, but still nicer than my Mother."

In all seriousness, that's an interesting question, I'm not sure so I'll have to ponder on it.
 
 
And I know I'm very late in addressing this due to my absence from the DA realm, but whoever commissioned these from aimo, you have my thanks. I had some serious feels when I happened upon these. I can't even look at that second pic for more than a few seconds, that's how powerful it is - damn. My warden would so have a Jack Bauer-esque reaction to such an event, many heads would roll in his quest to find the perpetrator. But the first image does such a great job of highlighting some amazing moments in Morrigan's life; Morri crying over the broken mirror, that kiss and then her in the Orlesian getup, I need to lie down...

 

My take is a little different. First, because as I understand it, the Crossroads can be toxic to non-elves, but more importantly, secondly, because Morrigan emphatically states no son of hers will be raised in a marsh, bereft of outside contact… which in reality, isn’t that what the Crossroads is? An empty place with no one but the Warden, Morrigan and Kieran (and in my head canon Dogmeat)… so not unlike the Wilds Morrigan grew up in. I like the idea that they either left the Crossroads fairly not long after Morrigan and the Warden reunited, or at the very least, often traveled back and forth often.

 

For the Cousland Warden, Highever would be an optimal place to go, Fergus would certainly accept them with open arms. For any Warden who choose the King of Orzammar, again (at least my canon) King Bhelen would give them safe haven. Also, whether   Dwarf, Elf or Human, the HOF could find safe haven in Denerim having either anointed Queen Anora or (my canon) King Al and Anora.

 

Leliana in DAI talks of repeatedly writing to the Warden for advice, this would not be possible if they spent a huge amount of time in exclusively in the Crossroads (homing pigeons have no route to get there), up to Kieran being what, about 7ish before Morrigan shows up in Orlais?

 

Then, what is it? Act 2 of DA2, King Alistair and Tegan (teeeeeghaaaan) talk about the HOF being back in Denerim.

 

And still, I don’t see DAI Morrigan and the Warden have being separated all that long. Once separation lasts into years, people start to miss others less and more begin to accept that they are no longer around. I can’t believe the Warden was gone for years and Kieran misses him greatly, he would simply (if not only out of a defense mechanism) eventually accept that he is no longer going to be around.

 

I like to think that the Warden’s disappearance is measured in months rather than years, that they are a fully functional family unit that has traveled the world together. The Warden could have easily used a mask in the Masked Empire for any public appearances, and could have easily slipped in and out in between Warden Missions or operations.

 

That second picture is blashemy. I refuse to acknowledge its existence.