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I was flicking through recent pages and came across the video of Morrigan without Kieran going to the Altar of Mythal with Quizzy

 

May have been my blinkered eyes but thought it was interesting that Morrigan without Kieran came across to me as having a bit more of a sharp edge, her voice, her mannerisms...just a bit more arrogant in her manner. 

 

It seemed to come across in the way Claudia's voice came across to me and Morrigan's demeanour



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Geralt's shenanigans with sorceresses actually provides a lot of headcanon material for Cousland and Morrigan (Male Warrior/Female Mage couple).

For instance, Morrigan transforming into some horrid creature and sneaking into Cousland's bathtub.



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It's kind of hard for me to fathom the idea that Morrigan would go so far as to call the Warden "My love," but still have a problem with ever saying "I love you" to him at some point.



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Okay, so here's a thought. Imagine if, during her introduction in Origins, Morrigan missed her step and fell down the stairs. How different would everything have been after that? 



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What do you guys think the Nightmare would say to Morrigan if she were present for Here Lies the Abyss?

 

If she has OGB Kieran - "Ah, Morrigan, daughter of Flemeth and mother of a very special little boy. His nightmares are a true delight. You must be so proud of the gift you've given him."

 

If she has normal Kieran - "Well, well, Morrigan, daughter of Flemeth. Tell me, what would be worse; becoming your mother, or having your mother become you?" 

 

Without Kieran - "It is an honour to have the daughter of Flemeth here. How tiring it must be to have to run from something you could never hope to understand."

 

 

Okay, so here's a thought. Imagine if, during her introduction in Origins, Morrigan missed her step and fell down the stairs. How different would everything have been after that? 

Well, the whole "mysterious" persona she was going for would be completely ruined.


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Okay, so here's a thought. Imagine if, during her introduction in Origins, Morrigan missed her step and fell down the stairs. How different would everything have been after that?


Heh. Now I'm just picturing some sort of blooper reel for all the characters in Origins.

It's kind of hard for me to fathom the idea that Morrigan would go so far as to call the Warden "My love," but still have a problem with ever saying "I love you" to him at some point.


I always pictured her as playing the whole love thing off in a cool way. Like if the Warden flatly stated "I love you" she'd just go all Han Solo and respond "I know."

As Terra said, I think her just bluntly saying "I love you" might only come in some really tense or emotionally draining moment where she's in such an emotional state as to drop any or all of her barriers and just lay herself bare- like if the Warden was dying in her arms or something dramatic like that maybe. Or conversely maybe she'd playfully whisper it to the Warden in private after some tent time. Even with Inquisition Morrigan, she still preserves those barriers towards her emotions although I think with a romanced Warden she'd be far more comfortable with him after all this time.
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What do you guys think the Nightmare would say to Morrigan if she were present for Here Lies the Abyss?

 

If she has OGB Kieran - "Ah, Morrigan, daughter of Flemeth and mother of a very special little boy. His nightmares are a true delight. You must be so proud of the gift you've given him."

 

If she has normal Kieran - "Well, well, Morrigan, daughter of Flemeth. Tell me, what would be worse; becoming your mother, or having your mother become you?" 

 

Without Kieran - "It is an honour to have the daughter of Flemeth here. How tiring it must be to have to run from something you could never hope to understand."

 

Those are all pretty good actually. 



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all 3 of those options are good and cut to the bone each time

 

Nightmare you  big meanie :(



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So I finished replaying Dragon Age II yesterday and I've been thinking. Was anyone else half expecting Morrigan to pop up during the whole Merrill and the Eluvian arc? Do you think Bioware ever had the intent to do just that (but we all know what a rushed mess DA2 is, so it got cut)?



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So I finished replaying Dragon Age II yesterday and I've been thinking. Was anyone else half expecting Morrigan to pop up during the whole Merrill and the Eluvian arc? Do you think Bioware ever had the intent to do just that (but we all know what a rushed mess DA2 is, so it got cut)?


I don't know if I expected Morrigan herself to show up but I did expect something more in terms of some lore with respect to the Eluvians than what we got in DA2.

That said, I know that there was a Morrigan character model in the DA2 files and it looked DREADFUL. If you fish around in this thread several years back I know the pics of it were posted and I shudder at the thought of it. So I do kind of think they maybe at some point had plans for Morrigan to show up in some capacity. Then you had Gaider before he shut down his Tumblr blog earlier this year mentioning how the whole Temple of Mythal/ Well of Sorrows bit was originally going to be in the cancelled DA2 expansion pack, so more than likely you'd have had Morrigan there.

But saying all that, I'm glad Morrigan stayed decidedly away from any and everything DA2. Not only because her character model there was horrific but I just don't want BioWare tossing in old companions/ LI's like Morrigan in every game for the hell of it. It just plays up the problem they already have in Dragon Age of Small World Syndrome, especially when its a new PC every game.
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I don't know if I expected Morrigan herself to show up but I did expect something more in terms of some lore with respect to the Eluvians than what we got in DA2.

That said, I know that there was a Morrigan character model in the DA2 files and it looked DREADFUL. If you fish around in this thread several years back I know the pics of it were posted and I shudder at the thought of it. So I do kind of think they maybe at some point had plans for Morrigan to show up in some capacity. Then you had Gaider before he shut down his Tumblr blog earlier this year mentioning how the whole Temple of Mythal/ Well of Sorrows bit was originally going to be in the cancelled DA2 expansion pack, so more than likely you'd have had Morrigan there.

But saying all that, I'm glad Morrigan stayed decidedly away from any and everything DA2. Not only because her character model there was horrific but I just don't want BioWare tossing in old companions/ LI's like Morrigan in every game for the hell of it. It just plays up the problem they already have in Dragon Age of Small World Syndrome, especially when its a new PC every game.

I recall those pics, wasn't very pleasant for Morrigan fans.

 

Who knows if she was to be in DA2 or not, or even what the original plan was. They (pre EA) they talked about 2 years of DLC for DAO, which got gutted fairly early on. The OGB might have been part of a more detailed DLC that got shelved when they decided to go onto DA2.

 

Can't complain too much, they were going away from the Warden for DA2, either way, and DA2 Morrigan (thankfully) never materialized. With the exception of the WoS, DAI Morrigan for the romanced Warden turned out fairly well. Not the direction I would have gone, but at least there wasn't a rockslide; and a moment of silence.



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I didn't realize this until recently but what is it that triggers Morrigan's dialogue about Keiran in the Skyhold Garden? I saw other playthroughs of the Inquisitor asking her about both the OGB and the regular son she had. But I never saw any such option for me. Which is especially weird since he was always standing right there.



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I didn't realize this until recently but what is it that triggers Morrigan's dialogue about Keiran in the Skyhold Garden? I saw other playthroughs of the Inquisitor asking her about both the OGB and the regular son she had. But I never saw any such option for me. Which is especially weird since he was always standing right there.

I've only seen it in conjunction with regular Kieran. Usually it triggers after you first meet the two of them in the garden I think. I believe you only get to ask about Kieran if he's a regular boy because you get less Kieran content overall if he doesn't have the OGS. Though if you've seen the dialogue with OGB Kieran then I'd love to see it because I haven't been able to find anything like it.



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yeah I remember those DA 2 pics of Morrigan....looked like she had been eating too many pizzas :huh:



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So here's a thought. You know that line of dialogue, while in the fade searching for Kieran, Morrigan says "...after all I have sacrificed." And we were wondering, "What exactly did you sacrifice?" And I just thought of a possibility for a Romanced Morrigan only probably, but still worth considering. What if performing the Dark Ritual did some kind of damage to Morrigan? What if for example a Morrigan who has had Kieran and decided that kids aren't so bad after all, and whose Warden is with her and maybe wants another child because he wasn't able to be around for Kieran's birth and so he wants to have a child that he was there for the beginning of, what if the thing Morrigan sacrificed was that performing the dark ritual rendered her infertile after giving birth to Kieran?



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So here's a thought. You know that line of dialogue, while in the fade searching for Kieran, Morrigan says "...after all I have sacrificed." And we were wondering, "What exactly did you sacrifice?" And I just thought of a possibility for a Romanced Morrigan only probably, but still worth considering. What if performing the Dark Ritual did some kind of damage to Morrigan? What if for example a Morrigan who has had Kieran and decided that kids aren't so bad after all, and whose Warden is with her and maybe wants another child because he wasn't able to be around for Kieran's birth and so he wants to have a child that he was there for the beginning of, what if the thing Morrigan sacrificed was that performing the dark ritual rendered her infertile after giving birth to Kieran?

 

I assumed it was that she had to give up whatever her original intent with the OGS was. And we still don't know what her original intent was, do we?

Obviously she changed her mind and wanted to be a good parent instead of a user.

 

But it wouldn't shock me if the DR did have those sort of complications. Morrigan says that it can be classed as old blood magic, and we all know how works. It's usually fairly destructive. I mean... carrying an Old God soul baby in your belly for nine months? Speaking as a female here, that doesn't sound like the most delightful thing to me. It actually sounds like it would be kind of painful. I can't see women lining up to do that. Morrigan originally didn't fancy children, so if having the OGB would hinder her ability to have any other kids, I don't think she would have cared when she agreed to going through with it.

 

Morrigan is also a bit of a vagabond. I think having Kieran along with her slows her pace a little bit. So if she had two or more kids, her movement would be incredibly restricted. You could also bring in the belief that the taint slowly makes Grey Wardens sterile, so there's that too.

I think there is a cornucopia of possibilities and reasons and contributing factors as to why Morrigan and the HoF don't have other children. In my books, Morrigan becoming infertile after Kieran's birth is one possibility out of dozens.



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Can't complain too much, they were going away from the Warden for DA2, either way, and DA2 Morrigan (thankfully) never materialized. With the exception of the WoS, DAI Morrigan for the romanced Warden turned out fairly well. Not the direction I would have gone, but at least there wasn't a rockslide; and a moment of silence.

No rockslide... yet.

That's my great fear that they're very much not done with Morrigan story wise, but with their seeming complete disinterest in keeping the Warden around, we'll end up with a one size fits all generic version of Morrigan off doing story stuff that disregards her relationship with the Warden and Kieran. And that's sort of why I've come around to the idea that Terra proposed in his big post to just let Morrigan and the Warden walk off into the sunset and be done as big players in the DA games, lest BioWare just screw things up in massively unsatisfying ways.
 

yeah I remember those DA 2 pics of Morrigan....looked like she had been eating too many pizzas :huh:

Man, it wasn't even like it was a chubby or fat Morrigan. That DA2 Morrigan face was awful on so many levels. Like it had been hacked apart by some devious plastic surgeon injecting way too many fillers and botox all over the place, with some crazy comical drawn on eyebrows. Just monstrous that thing was.

While I would have preferred Inquisition Morrigan to look a little more like her Origins face model, she definitely dodged a bullet by avoiding DA2.

Speaking of Origins Morrigan, some awesome Morrigan art!

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#15343
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Aaaand I just imagined Bambi but replacing Morrigan and Kieran for the bambi and his mom. Excuse me I'll be in my trailer sobbing.



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I did a thing.

 

 

The light that shines through the tick canopy is far too small for the intricate symbols she attempts to paint in mobile flesh and muscles. But Morrigan knows every detail of both the runes and Aedan’s body intimately. She makes no mistakes.

“Are you nearly finished, Morrigan? I am freezing here.” complains the Cousland who finds himself forced to stand perfectly immobile, bereft of his shirt, well past the hour of the wolf, while his beloved, wrapped in a (warm)=coat made of fur, carefully draws, with (cold) paint, runes commonly used by Avvar augurs in every inch of his exposed skin.

“You were the one who insisted I build a triply reinforced diagram of protection beforehand, my love. I warned it would lead to us staying here for hours more.”

It’s true. The people of the village where they stay for the moment are innocent and do not deserve to have their lives threatened by what they must do.

Not that he expects it will be difficult but Aedan does not take chances in anything he does. It was how he dethroned a national hero, it’s how he will do this.

“The necessity of diagram does not implicate a need for these runes…”

“Given that they will serve to call the demon’s attention to you from the Fade, I daresay they are far more vital than this extra layer of protection.”

“Residual magic, such as left behind by a small Hexe should be more than sufficient. Magister Arenius theorizes in his writings that…”

“I’m sorry, who here has magic again?”

For a moment he is silent. Anyone else would assume the argument won but Morrigan sees him play with the ring she gave him in another life and four years ago and knows he is simply searching for his next argument.

“Wynne always said we all had our own forms of magic.”

Or some witticism, whatever.

“I always said she was a senile old bag. Regardless, I am done.”

Aedan stands up and Morrigan and Morrigan takes in her work. It’s perfect, like always. So, she gives him a nod and, as he unsheathes his sword, retreats behind the magical barrier. The hardest part is yet to come.

“Tis cold in this field, all alone.”

Against her better judgement, Morrigan rewards him with a laugh, encouraging further efforts from him in the future.

“Well, you won’t be alone for long. I’m beginning the ritual.”

 

 Aedan will always be impressed by how Morrigan can make magic look as natural and subtle as breathing. Over the years, he has seen and fought many mages. Most are simpletons (here’s a fireball holy **** he’s still coming, better throw a bigger one) but not Morrigan.

At first, she whispers something unintelligible to him and move her hands in complicated patterns, leaving ripples through the air as if she is moving through water. And she is, of course, waters of the Fade.

Eventually, her voice becomes forceful as when one coaches a particularly stubborn individual, the light around her hands becoming lightening that strikes the air as if hooks through invisible flesh.

By the end of it, her whole being shines and Aedan thinks there is no one more beautiful.

So distracted is he that he nearly fails to notice the demon materializing not five steps from him. At first it’s nothing but a shapeless feel of malevolence and fury. But then, Aedan feels the heat of the fire and sees brimstone and knows that the Maker has a sense of humour.

The Rage Demon wastes no time in sending a jet of flame his way which Aedan effortlessly dodges. Morrigan’s protections prove true and prevent the fire from leaving the confines of the diagram.

Too stupid to understand itself trapped, the demon sees only a useless, non-magical mortal, fit only to be swathed aside and it tries to do just that.

In one second, Aedan crosses the distance between them. In two seconds, he swings his sword horizontally and neatly bisects the creature in two. In three seconds, he turns to Morrigan and flashes one of the smiles he probably thinks of as charming (or perhaps it is her who is thinking it is charming?)

“Well, that was easy.”

**

When they reach the humble home they have been staying in for the past half year (stacked squarely in the middle of the village because the newly arrived family moving to that isolated cottage that is said to be haunted by its last owner would be tantamount to calling the Templars), the most important thing in all the worlds is sitting on the doorways, watched over protectively by a wardog that makes the little boy look even smaller.
 

“Hey pup, what are you doing awake?”

The boy looks up at his father with adoring, if sleepy, eyes that, at the moment, betray none of the ages hiding within.

“…was alone.”

Morrigan picks him up with all the tenderness only a mother can possess.

“I know, Kieran, I know. Mom and dad just went to make sure you could get a good night’s sleep.”

 


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#15345
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Heh... playing The Witcher today and came across Kiera Metz. I know I've complained in the past about how Inquisition Morrigan's face model doesn't look that much like her Origins one but take away the blonde hair and I think Kiera Metz's face in The Witcher: Wild Hunt looks an awful lot like Morrigan's Origins character model, just in much higher technical fidelity.

Or I'm just going crazy. That's always possible too. :wacko:



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I think they look nothing alike to be honest :blink:



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I think they look nothing alike to be honest :blink:

Maybe I'll try and dig up some screenshots. I think its mostly in the shape of their faces and the general facial features like the eyes and nose. Obviously not the hair but the general face shape and features are sort of similar to Morrigan's Origins character model.



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Bah, I just finished playing Witch Hunt. Thought this place would be appropriate to get some feedback. 

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Bah, I just finished playing Witch Hunt. Thought this place would be appropriate to get some feedback. 

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Bah, I just finished playing Witch Hunt. Thought this place would be appropriate to get some feedback. 

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OH MAN!

As BurningLizard said... not the best place to admit something like this lol. Keep your head down.

 

I think the only way I would choose the stabbing option would be if I were doing an evil effed-up Warden playthrough. Even if your friend deceives you, you don't just stab them and kick them through a magic mirror.


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