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[Terra_Ex]

Send help.

Don't worry, I'll have the men in white coats swing by your place after they've picked me up.

[Miss Golightly]

Indeed, some people don't get that with W3 and I saw a lot of "I don't like Yen so therefore Geralt doesn't" when the reality is anything but. I thought they really nailed her character in W3, like you say, she has her Morrigan-esque moments where she suddenly does something a bit questionable while Geralt's attention is elsewhere but at least with Yen I thought they were very consistent in terms of her driving impetus was centered around supporting Ciri so even when she pisses off the whole Skellige Isles with the Freya's Garden incident, it's easy to relate to and understand her actions because it's done for Ciri rather than a high-minded ideal.

You're a ways off the end of the game still if you're up to Ugly Baby. Gwent shackled me to the game for a good while, it was like a second coming of Triple Triad from FF8 in terms of being a timesink. No time for finding Ciri, there's cards to be played! I only stopped playing Gwent when I could destroy any opponent. To be fair, the game is just jam-packed with high quality content so I did pretty much everything before finishing the game (aside from a bunch of sunken treasures around Skellige, no time for that nonsense.)

You're certainly painting Bayo2 in a favourable light, saying the original is like a beta is high praise indeed. I'll definitely get to acquiring it at some point.

I'd be impressed if anyone could pull that bread/shed scene off with everyone in-character. If you manage it, please call it "not so domestic" or something and have Morri just doing a double take at some point- "how has this happened?"

And now I'm picturing Lel spying on proceedings with a pair of binoculars, trying to catch Morrigan out.
 

 

I see Yennefer as an overprotective mama bear who will go to any extreme for her "daughter". I would have liked a little more interaction between Ciri and Yennefer, but what we got pretty much nailed that aspect of her.

I think after reading the books, you gain an understanding of this character and why does what she does. I trusted her and I knew she wouldn't go to such extremes if there were another way.

Yennefer is like Morrigan and Miranda Lawson. The determination, the assertiveness, the independence, the confidence (which can sometimes lead to moments of arrogance) and the air of mystery gives the impression of bitchiness.

 

I actually finished the game last night. I cried, even though I would classify the ending I got as "good" or "happy". I had the game for two months and by the time the credits rolled, I had clocked in at about 200 hours. I'm done until the expansions come out.
I'd be interested if they did a game with Ciri. The endings were left somewhat open for the possibility, I think.

 

I kind of want to replay Bayonetta 2.......... but my backlog is screaming at me. Yeah, definitely check it out if you can. The Wii U in general gets a really bad rep, but if you like Nintendo games (who doesn't?), it's an excellent companion for a PS4/XB1/PC.

 

Hahaha, now I want to do a fic about the domestic life of the HoF and Morrigan. Definitely looking at some sort of episodic collection of one-shots though. I've scratched down a couple of ideas and chapter summaries, so I'll see where it leads me when I have time to sit down and write it out like I want to.

 

Hah, I can just imagine Leliana, "Oh, I've got you now, Morrigan."

[MisterJB]

 

When the Warden tells Oghren how there is no reason he can't be part of his child's life, he is cearly thinking about Morrigan and being more than just a little resentful.

[Terra_Ex]

I see Yennefer as an overprotective mama bear who will go to any extreme for her "daughter". I would have liked a little more interaction between Ciri and Yennefer, but what we got pretty much nailed that aspect of her.
I think after reading the books, you gain an understanding of this character and why does what she does. I trusted her and I knew she wouldn't go to such extremes if there were another way.
Yennefer is like Morrigan and Miranda Lawson. The determination, the assertiveness, the independence, the confidence (which can sometimes lead to moments of arrogance) and the air of mystery gives the impression of bitchiness.
 
I actually finished the game last night. I cried, even though I would classify the ending I got as "good" or "happy". I had the game for two months and by the time the credits rolled, I had clocked in at about 200 hours. I'm done until the expansions come out.
I'd be interested if they did a game with Ciri. The endings were left somewhat open for the possibility, I think.

Agreed, they really did a nice job of circling back to Yen's desire to be a mother in the books in the third game and really impressing that on the player in subtle ways, like her reaction to Geralt and Ciri while on the boat. That's what I like about those types of characters, it's not blatant, but you can see the underlying feelings and motivations and they come out in full force when those close to them are under threat. As always, it's the little things and subtext which adds a lot to the ensemble piece.

Which ending did you get?

Spoiler

Empress? Assuming you got Geralt w/Yen epilogue slide as well. That combination was very feels intensive and it really just provided everything I wanted to see closure & development wise for the core cast of characters. It was great for CDPR to meet and surpass my expectations with W3 and I never doubted that they'd pull it off.

I suppose I could see Empress or Witcher endings having a follow up but I think they'll probably focus on something/somewhere else entirely when they return to the IP. I'm fairly certain that she'll have a cameo in Cyberpunk 2077 though.

I spent an ungodly amount of time on the game too, but I don't think any of game has managed such a consistently high level of quality over that period of time in-game, so I'll deem it time well spent. I'm keeping it installed until the NG+ stuff releases, just want a quick peek at how they've implemented that, then it's getting uninstalled until the expansions release.

Anyway, I was browsing for some pics of Morrigan with HoF and I stumbled across these of an older HoF and Morri. Er, I mean - the same artist who gave us the amazing Morrigan & Kieran art below also gave us these, so people can carry on living the dream of pretending that HoF is Geralt.


 

 


I think this artist is some type of deity in terms of how well they capture the raw essence of the underlying relationship in each image.
 

I kind of want to replay Bayonetta 2.......... but my backlog is screaming at me. Yeah, definitely check it out if you can. The Wii U in general gets a really bad rep, but if you like Nintendo games (who doesn't?), it's an excellent companion for a PS4/XB1/PC.

Hahaha, now I want to do a fic about the domestic life of the HoF and Morrigan. Definitely looking at some sort of episodic collection of one-shots though. I've scratched down a couple of ideas and chapter summaries, so I'll see where it leads me when I have time to sit down and write it out like I want to.

Hah, I can just imagine Leliana, "Oh, I've got you now, Morrigan."

My backlog has won the war, I accepted that a long time ago and now simply embrace it is a library so I have something to play whatever my mood. The Pillars of Eternity expansion and Shadowrun Hong Kong are out soon which won't help matters. Then there's MGSV which I've been looking forward to for a long time.

 

Well, I'll look forward to reading it whenever/if you do write it.

And Lel sounds like a supervillain with that line. I'm picturing Lel knocking on the door, a baking tray filled with bread clattering to the floor in slow motion and a black bundle of feathers smashing through the window and flying off over the horizon. The warden looks up nonchalantly, "I guess Leliana's visiting again."
 

When the Warden tells Oghren how there is no reason he can't be part of his child's life, he is cearly thinking about Morrigan and being more than just a little resentful.

Nice find. Morri's absence with the baby already affects the way I RP my warden in Awakening, so little bits like this just further support and flesh it out. Having that nagging at the back of his mind as other business demands his attention is neat for colouring how HoF deals with stuff in that campaign - very cool how he'd be reminded of that from the most unlikely of places. That'd be great for a multi-warden fic actually - everyone else gets a nice letter while Cousland just gets to commiserate with Oghren.

Is Kieran born within the Awakening timeline, I'm rusty on my dates.

[Miss Golightly]

Agreed, they really did a nice job of circling back to Yen's desire to be a mother in the books in the third game and really impressing that on the player in subtle ways, like her reaction to Geralt and Ciri while on the boat. That's what I like about those types of characters, it's not blatant, but you can see the underlying feelings and motivations and they come out in full force when those close to them are under threat. As always, it's the little things and subtext which adds a lot to the ensemble piece.

Which ending did you get?

Spoiler

Empress? Assuming you got Geralt w/Yen epilogue slide as well. That combination was very feels intensive and it really just provided everything I wanted to see closure & development wise for the core cast of characters. It was great for CDPR to meet and surpass my expectations with W3 and I never doubted that they'd pull it off.

I suppose I could see Empress or Witcher endings having a follow up but I think they'll probably focus on something/somewhere else entirely when they return to the IP. I'm fairly certain that she'll have a cameo in Cyberpunk 2077 though.

I spent an ungodly amount of time on the game too, but I don't think any of game has managed such a consistently high level of quality over that period of time in-game, so I'll deem it time well spent. I'm keeping it installed until the NG+ stuff releases, just want a quick peek at how they've implemented that, then it's getting uninstalled until the expansions release.
 

My backlog has won the war, I accepted that a long time ago and now simply embrace it is a library so I have something to play whatever my mood. The Pillars of Eternity expansion and Shadowrun Hong Kong are out soon which won't help matters. Then there's MGSV which I've been looking forward to for a long time.

 

Well, I'll look forward to reading it whenever/if you do write it.

And Lel sounds like a supervillain with that line. I'm picturing Lel knocking on the door, a baking tray filled with bread clattering to the floor in slow motion and a black bundle of feathers smashing through the window and flying off over the horizon. The warden looks up nonchalantly, "I guess Leliana's visiting again."

 

You always get people complaining about Morrigan and Miranda because they aren't the type to gush about their feelings and they aren't the typical women you see in many medias. You actually have to try to understand them. In Morrigan's case she was raised to be bitter and cynical. She has a real "survival of the fittest" attitude. But there are little hints in the dialogue and little mannerisms or expressions that show more than they tell. I think behind closed doors, she's a fantastic mother to Kieran (though she probably doubts herself all the time).

With Miranda, she's a professional first and foremost. She worked for years to get to the top. Chances are she had to stab some backs and cut some throats to get there, and I don't think she forgets that. Her confidence is a bit of a facade and there are underlying self-esteem issues. She's jealous of Shepard because he/she worked hard to earn his/her accomplishments and she doesn't feel like she truly owns her accomplishments because of her genetic tailoring.

You have to read between the lines to get to the core of the character. There's so much more going on there than what you get at surface value. That's why I like these characters so much. Strong female characters that don't base their existence on what we as a society believe female characters should be based on.

 

As for the ending I got...

Spoiler

I let Ciri make her own decisions, tried to be a good "father" and I went along for the ride. And as such, I ended up with the Witcher ending. I still cried because I saw it as a father passing off the torch to his daughter. I have watched the other two endings on youtube and the Empress one is heartbreaking and bittersweet (that one really made me cry), but I feel like that's the opposite of what Ciri really wants. She goes on and on about not wanting to be put in a cage and she doesn't want to be controlled. Empress is exactly that. But feel free to disagree, everyone has their own opinions, and I completely respect that.

 

The wording in the endings is very particular though. It's never really stated that Ciri becomes empress, and it's never stated that she's actually dead.

So if they wanted to do something with Ciri, they could generalize the endings. I think if they return to the IP, it'll either be something with Ciri or it'll be a 'make your own Witcher' kind of thing like the original game was supposed to be. I'd be game for both for sure.

 

But I agree that Ciri will probably have a cameo or something in Cyberpunk 2077 (looking forward to this one as well).

 

I'm a little disgusted with myself to be honest lol. I HAD to get mastercraft armour and swords and I HAD to do as many contracts as I could.

I bought the season pass yesterday, thinking that by doing so, the expansions will come out faster.... I almost never buy DLC, so that says how much I enjoyed the game.

 

I started playing Midnight Club Los Angles last night... I can't say how far into it I'm going to get. I find as I get older, I don't care for driving and fighting games as much as I used to (when I was a kid, they were pretty much my favourite genres). I actually find them kind of boring now. Might end up replaying a Zelda game or Mass Effect or something. All I know is that Mario Marker, Star Fox Zero, the Uncharted Collection, Witcher 3: Hearts of Stone and Xenoblade Chronicles X are going to be the line up for the remainder of the year when they come out. So if I could strike at least one game off my backlog this month, that'd be fantastic.

 

Oh, and I love those pictures you posted. Gorgeous artwork. I'd buy prints of all of those in a heartbeat.

[MisterJB]

According to The World of Thedas, the Battle of Ostagar happens in 9:30, Urthemiel and The Mother are both slain in 9:31, Amgarrak is explored also in 9.31 and Morrigan is seen in the Dragonbone Wastes in 9:32.

 

There is no mention of the months but, given that we need to account for things like mining granite and using it to rebuild the Vigil's walls and mining silverite and using it to forge many suits of armor, it's not implausible that more than nine months have passed between Urthemiel's death and The Mother's. In fact, it would be more implausible if they hadn't.

I believe it was said that DAO takes one year? If so, we should have Ostagar happening in the first trimester of 9:30 and, around one year later, Kieran is conceived making his birth happen in 9:31 during Awakening or imediatelly after. Then, it's impossible to say just when in 9:32 was Morrigan seen but, at the very least, we can determine Kieran is never more than a year old when papa joins them.

If we want to be extra sappy, we could have Urthemiel slain in (and I'll be using our months) January, Kieran born in October, same month The Mother is slain, the Harvester in December and the Warden joining them between January and March of 9:32 making Kieran still a newborn and thus, in his mind, it was always the three of them.

 

Another good line is when Oghren asks "I haven't done rigth by them, have I?" and the Warden can answer "Not one bit.". The logic here being Cousland wants nothing more than to be with Morrigan and raise their child together but she left and he still has a job to do. Meanwhile, Oghren had a wife and a son and he left them both to be a Grey Warden.

 

Speaking of which, since Oghren's son had to have been conceived after the Blight is over, either nine months had to have passed between DAO and DAA; which seems unlikely since it doesn't take into account the time it would take to repair the walls; or dwarves have a shorter gestation period than humans.

 

 

[Qun00]

I need someone to tell me this.

Does entering the mirror with Morrigan mean forsaking your duties for several years?

[Illegitimus]

Ehn.  What duties?  The most important unfinished business from the Blight is the spawn of the Dark Ritual and making sure he doesn't grow up to be some kind of super-powered megalomaniac.  

[Qun00]

In my case, Warden-Commander of Ferelden as well as chancellor to King Alistair.

[Aren]

Ehn.  What duties?  The most important unfinished business from the Blight is the spawn of the Dark Ritual and making sure he doesn't grow up to be some kind of super-powered megalomaniac.  

Well too bad,the dark ritual was meant to give something to Flemeth not to Kieran because an old god do not obey to the will of another,Urthemiel decided only to give his power to Mythal in person as a form of courtesy,but the process was unpleasant for Kieran.

Is not a problem for my Warden personally HMN,Kieran can exist as an heir without the old god, so that my character will not live in paranoia during the whole DAA for what he may have done(who would have been used like an object) to his own son and with the risk to trigger another blight,the AD business was already complete.

Also in this way my Warden avoid the resentment because he his ignorant about his own  son existence, until Morrigan alone by her own (if you don't ask her) reveal this,the dialogue line of WH (the one of the dalish book) change into the revelation of Kieran,which is by far more surprising than the OGB version.

Yep I'm one of those of the club

Human Kieran>OGB especially because he don't suffer for my mistakes.

(the nightmares,FLemeth,The ritual,another soul,ecc..)

[Qun00]

You may have a point, but the reunion with Flemeth is twice as awesome and emotional in the Old God Kieran scenario.

Morrigan's character development is more emphasized too.

[Terra_Ex]

I need someone to tell me this.

Does entering the mirror with Morrigan mean forsaking your duties for several years?

Others may have differing opinions. It depends on your interpretation of several factors:

Technically yes, but then, HoF is a Warden Commander, there's no Blight on at the time and there's only a few people higher in the pecking order that he would answer to. Besides that, what's going to happen if the HoF isn't following orders - not a whole lot really since each chapter is mostly antonymous. The Commanders can act as they wish. The Blight is resolved, as is the Darkspawn civil war, HoF can do as they wish, more or less. What happened to GW Anders after he went walkabout post-Awakening - not a whole lot. HoF isn't going to be "fired" as one would be for a regular job. He's off doing his stuff for potentially up to 4 years in Inquisition (this could be a personal quest or something done in service of the Order), perhaps with minimal contact. I expect when a Warden of significance "goes dark" ala Jack Bauer a stand-in is arranged as necessary, much like how the Orlesian WC is quickly shipped in if one does the US.

 

Also depending on how you want to interpret some things that Morrigan says, you can posit for a number of reasons that they returned to the normal world sooner rather than later. The whole thing is sufficiently vague that you fit what you want in there really. The only thing that is a certainty is that Morrigan is introduced to the court ~3 years before DAI iirc.
 

In my case, Warden-Commander of Ferelden as well as chancellor to King Alistair.

The guy ended a Blight, I'm sure Al can find a stand-in in his absence. If you think playing lackey to Al is doing your duty, do that (you'll get nothing out of it, be forewarned), just be prepared to miss out on some very good character development from Morrigan & Kieran later. A lot of people that pick Morrigan actively turned down the Ferelden based prizes laid before them, most people in this thread aren't going to pass up the opportunity for HoF to be with his family for the apparent betterment of a country that spent the best part of a year trying to kill him and his friends. The guy has done enough, getting to spend time with his family while others rebuild is his reward, he owes the country and the order nothing more.

[Qun00]

It isn't quite the lowly position you'd imagine.

According to the epilogue, the chancellor gets to vote on major decisions in the kingdom and his input is often deferred to depending on the Warden's good relationship with the ruler in question.

Moving on, aren't generals supposed to be well acquainted with their troops?

Heck, I'm surprised the Hero wasn't simply replaced after disappearing for years in this scenario. Nobody knows he went inside a magical mirror to go somewhere.

[Aren]

You may have a point, but the reunion with Flemeth is twice as awesome and emotional in the Old God Kieran scenario.

Morrigan's character development is more emphasized too.

This is way they invented you tube

The DR is basically my,what would have happened if?

Now that i saw that Flemeth comes after Kieran only if the DR  was performed in DAO,the choice to avoid it at great personal risk

(well ,not so much with Loghain) give me a relief,also because no one know what FLemeth wish to do.

[Terra_Ex]

I'm very familiar with DA:O's epilogues and outcomes. Again, this depends entirely on whether that's important to that warden or not. To yours apparently it is, to others it isn't. It's your decision to make, it doesn't affect us.

 

As above - does HoF cease being a Warden Commander because he's in the west for years? No, they can do as they wish, delegation exists.

 

One last thing that I forgot, in the Orlesian Warden scenario the First Warden is actively searching for Morrigan (in addition to templars), thus it's quite conceivable that HoF might not be quite so willing to serve them faithfully considering they were after her. While I don't believe these threats are specifically refered to in non-Orlesian scenarios, she does mention hiding from those who hunted her in Inquisition. So if you romanced and had a child with her, there's some pretty compelling reasons right there to favour sticking with her and your child.

[line_genrou]

When Morrigan mentions "it's not so domestic as you picture" when the Inquisitor asks her about her life with the HoF, makes me think that even if he went through the mirror with her, and after they come back from the crossroads, he continued his duty as warden-commander. They weren't playing house after leaving the crossroads. Most likely he was coming and going from home.

 

As I mentioned before, my headcanon is that he even disguised himself to visit Morrigan and Kieran in the Orlesian court.

[Qun00]

It's your decision to make, it doesn't affect us.

Well, it shouldn't. In theory.

But you're taking this rather personally, I can tell.

[Terra_Ex]

I'm not. I'm merely outlining what you'd get out of each scenario. My apologies if it gave you that impression, wasn't my intent.

[Jedimaster88]

The guy ended a Blight, I'm sure Al can find a stand-in in his absence. If you think playing lackey to Al is doing your duty, do that (you'll get nothing out of it, be forewarned), just be prepared to miss out on some very good character development from Morrigan & Kieran later. A lot of people that pick Morrigan actively turned down the Ferelden based prizes laid before them, most people in this thread aren't going to pass up the opportunity for HoF to be with his family for the apparent betterment of a country that spent the best part of a year trying to kill him and his friends. The guy has done enough, getting to spend time with his family while others rebuild is his reward, he owes the country and the order nothing more.

 

 

I want to imagine that my warden made some arrangements for a successor when he decided to go search for Morrigan. He was pretty tired after everything he had done as the warden-commander and before that. He killed Loghain and was afraid that if he stayed and put duty above everything else, he would eventually become like Loghain and would meet a similar fate. No happiness to be found in this scenario. Instead he chose the woman he loves and their son. Let someone else carry the torch and be the big hero that everyone asks to solve their problems. Nathaniel might be a good choice as the next warden-commander.

[MisterJB]

 

I wonder how the Warden will react to the knowledge his wife can now turn into an High Dragon.

 

"Oh, can you carry me? I want to fly. And pass by Denerim, let's make Alistair jealous."

[SgtSteel91]

I need someone to tell me this.

Does entering the mirror with Morrigan mean forsaking your duties for several years?

 

If I remember right, during Dragon Age 2 if you do the quest King Alistair, Tegan will mention at the end of the conversation that the Hero of Fereldan will be arriving in Denerim. And the year that quest takes place is, what, 9:37? So you can imagine that the HoF took a little vacation from Warden duties at the end of WH.

[Qun00]

Someone please tell me... how does the reunion with Flemeth go if Kieran is normal?

Do we just get the same cutscene as the one where Morrigan doesn't have a son?

I'm not. I'm merely outlining what you'd get out of each scenario. My apologies if it gave you that impression, wasn't my intent.

No problem.

If I remember right, during Dragon Age 2 if you do the quest King Alistair, Tegan will mention at the end of the conversation that the Hero of Fereldan will be arriving in Denerim. And the year that quest takes place is, what, 9:37? So you can imagine that the HoF took a little vacation from Warden duties at the end of WH.

I just went through Morrigan's dialogue in Inquisition on Youtube.

She says the hero helped her raise their son for some time but circumstances ultimately sent them into different paths. And finally, they will reunite once everything is resolved.

Sounds like a good balance.

[SgtSteel91]

She says the hero helped her raise their son for some time but circumstances ultimately sent them into different paths. And finally, they will reunite once everything is resolved.

Sounds like a good balance.

 

I think the circumstances that sent them on different paths was the Warden's quest to cure the Calling taking him West.

[SgtSteel91]

So I was reading this thread in the DA:I thread: Sacrifice or Dark Ritual and this post struck a nerve in me:

 

 

The Dark Ritual is the moment when you get to establish your Warden's temperament in no uncertain terms: chose the Ritual, and even if your Warden brokered peace between the Dalish and werewolves, saved Eamon, Connor and Redclife, saved the kidnaped elves and was adored by his/her companions as the epitome of stalwartness, s/he is established for good as a selfish person, willing to dabble in forces s/he barely understands in order to save his/her own skin in the short term. Duncan's final decision was a mistake: he chose to induct into the order someone who had the strength but lacked the virtues and in the end got to live and enjoy the ill-gained fruits of his/her selfishness

 

For those who romanced Morrigan and did the Dark Ritual: do you think your Warden is less of a Hero for doing the Dark Ritual and not the other options?

[BurningLizard]

So I was reading this thread in the DA:I thread: Sacrifice or Dark Ritual and this post struck a nerve in me:

 

 

 

For those who romanced Morrigan and did the Dark Ritual: do you think your Warden is less of a Hero for doing the Dark Ritual and not the other options?

Sounds like more baseless Morrigan bashing by people desperate to find reasons to dislike her. Never mind that we already know that the the outcome of the DR is not even close to the catastrophic scenario they've tried to force us to accept as a narrative. What I don't understand is why it becomes the moment that your character is suddenly selfish. That's only if the DR results in an evil force being unleashed. Which, guess what, no matter how often people try to rationalize it in their heads, is not true at all. Maybe rather than being selfish, the Warden believes what Morrigan says, because they trust her, because they've developed a relationship (romantic or otherwise) that has shown them her true self, under the shell she's built around herself. Maybe they believe her when they say that the old god is purified by doing the ritual. And who's to say an old god is by default evil? Sounds like some chantry lover's propaganda if you ask me.

 

Sure the warden may not understand the forces they are dabbling in. But if they trust Morrigan, who does understand them, then it's not a matter of selfishness, but of trust. That statement you quoted is a shallow reading of the situation, which I've seen applied to Morrigan far too often.

 

So as far as I'm concerned, no Warden is less of a hero for doing the ritual. Though it comes down to motivation. Maybe the Warden is terrified of dying, or maybe they believe Morrigan when she says it's not going to be evil. And with the virtue of retrospect we know that to be true. An OGB Kieran is no more dangerous than a regular Kieran.

 

Yeah, that post struck a nerve in me too.

 

Also, in regards to going with Morrigan vs doing his duty. By that point my HoF is maybe a little done with it all. He's done everything he can, and now that there is a relative peace he is maybe thinking a little bit selfishly as he decides to go with Morrigan. There's also the fact that because of how important family was in his life, he can't continue on knowing he has a child out there somewhere and not try to have Morrigan and their son in his life. Not to mention the stuff with Oghren and his family are a constant reminder to him of what he's missing.