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So I was reading this thread in the DA:I thread: Sacrifice or Dark Ritual and this post struck a nerve in me:

 

 


 

For those who romanced Morrigan and did the Dark Ritual: do you think your Warden is less of a Hero for doing the Dark Ritual and not the other options?

 

Well the guy's signature is "Hof must die". Soo...yeah.

 

My cousland romanced the hell out of Morrigan and trusted her, the DR proposal was pretty logical and opened a new possibilities regarding the wardens sacrifices, my Cousland believed firmly in the order and would take every advantage regarding helping the grey wardens whether in politics, the taint, unlocking the full potential of the nature of the wardens, such as Avernus research, the DR, and the boon which gave Amaranthine to the order.

 

The poster lists all the great and heroic stuff hof did, and then contradicts her/himself based on virtues, and we all know most wardens lack any kind of virtues or whatsoever, they'll burn entire towns, resort to all kind of forbidden magic and acts to achieve their ultimate goal, yet the hof the poster listed based on their choices, had an amount of virtues beyond most of the wardens comprehensive.

 

Duncan decision to induct hof to the order was the brightest decision he ever made.

 

You see it's pretty silly argument, you don't need to die to sound heroic, the world's worth living, just ask Louis Armstrong :D

 



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Or, and hear me out on this one, maybe it isn't necessary to believe a character is perfect in order to appreciate it.

If you want to think of Morrigan as someone with a squeacky clean morality, you're missing the point. She's a grey character and that is what's cool about her.

Her pursuit in the DR started out as a selfish one, as Flemeth points it out in their reunion. An experiment and nothing more. But over the years, she grew as a person and learned to care about this child more than anything.

Regarding the matter of trust I don't think that friendship and love are a "You are either with me or against me" kind of deal. Who has never questioned a friend or a SO's decision?

While Morrigan's goal wasn't a destructive one and her skills as a mage are note worthy, it was a huge IF at that point in time.

Now answering SgtSteel's question, I admit that this is more like a guilty pleasure to me. There is so much to be gained from it: Rising to Warden-Commander, forming a close relationship with your new family, fighting against the Calling, etc.

But doing so also tells me the Warden doesn't believe that ending the Blight is worth paying any price.
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Or, and hear me out on this one, maybe it isn't necessary to believe a character is perfect in order to appreciate it.

If you want to think of Morrigan as someone with a squeacky clean morality, you're missing the point. She's a grey character and that is what's cool about her.

Her pursuit in the DR started out as a selfish one, as Flemeth points it out in their reunion. An experiment and nothing more. But over the years, she grew as a person and learned to care about this child more than anything.

Regarding the matter of trust I don't think that friendship and love are a "You are either with me or against me" kind of deal. Who has never questioned a friend or a SO's decision?

While Morrigan's goal wasn't a destructive one and her skills as a mage are note worthy, it was a huge IF at that point in time.

Now answering SgtSteel's question, I admit that this is more like a guilty pleasure to me. There is so much to be gained from it: Rising to Warden-Commander, forming a close relationship with your new family, fighting against the Calling, etc.

But doing so also tells me the Warden doesn't believe that ending the Blight is worth paying any price.

Oh for certain, characters definitely don't need to be perfect paragons of justice to be likable. If that were the case then there would be far more Superman fans and far fewer Batman fans. The thing I'm against is if the arguments against a certain character have long since been proven to be incorrect. ie/ "Morrigan will destroy the world with the old god soul!" is one such argument. 

 

And as far as my own Warden making the decision goes, he trusts that Morrigan isn't going to use the child for evil. He may not know exactly why she wants the old god soul, but he's gotten to know her well enough that despite having questions he has enough faith to hope for the best. It's not that I think Morrigan is squeaky clean, and I never said she was, it's that so many people insist on painting her much darker than she actually is. She's got darkness to her, and that's what makes her cool. But she also isn't legitimately evil, which is what it sounds like people are thinking when they paint the two choices in the DR as absolute evil or absolute good.

 

The thing for me, in my own little headcanon, that shows that Morrigan's intentions are not so dark at the time, ignoring what we know from Inquisition, is that if you've romanced her, I suspect she technically doesn't need to tell you about the ritual. The Warden is already bedding her, and from the cinematic we get I don't see anything obviously mystical going on, so it's possible that she could perform the ritual without the Warden knowing it. That's entirely headcanon, and some will disagree, but the fact that she tells the Warden about the ritual, rather than trying to sneak it, speaks volumes for me. And again, that's entirely my headcanon, and can't be used in the actual argument, but I felt like putting that out there.

 

And really this is all about how we roleplay our character ultimately. Maybe for some it's a decision made out of cowardice. For others its a decision made out of trust. For some maybe it's a decision made out of power hunger. And for yet others its a decision made with the belief that the HoF can do more good alive than dead.

 

In the end that original post is telling us that we aren't allowed to make our own decisions regarding our characters' motivations. If they want to interpret the character motivations that way that's fine. But in my game, in my head, the story is what I want, not what someone else wants to dictate to me. People can keep thinking what they want, and sometimes we'll get people thinking things we disagree with completely. That's their thing, I'm going to be over here making my own decisions in the game for my own reasons. No matter what someone else tries to say.

 

 

Someone please tell me... how does the reunion with Flemeth go if Kieran is normal?

Do we just get the same cutscene as the one where Morrigan doesn't have a son?

 

As far as I'm aware, and I've never played this myself, so I'm just going off of lets play videos, I've been led to understand that we get the same cutscene as where she doesn't have a son. I don't think Flemeth mentions Morrigan having had a kid. Which if that is correct and my memory isn't failing me, is a missed opportunity. I would have liked to see Flemeth's comments on a Morrigan that failed to do the DR but still ended up with a kid.



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Oh, it’s not just Morrigan bashers that detest the DR. There are 2 other very distinct sects that appear to view the DR as an abomination. The combination of the 3 views of course puts the pro-DR group in the minority.

 

First, of course, you have the Ultimate Sacrifice crowd, whom think this is the only logical ‘Heroic’ choice.  Not only do they rail on the DR, they rail against any possible in-game recognition of the HoF except those that recognize their choice, (to die) and save the world from what ultimately turns out to be a weird talking little boy…  (so heinous!) They decry any reference to a living HoF because it does not confirm to their choice, and ONLY their choice can and should be recognized (how dare you have a reference to a living HoF, my Hof is dead!). Read the messages…. It’s funny how they can only accept a dead HoF. I don’t see why this has to be the case, simple logic shows that both options can be recognized with the respect due them.

 

And secondly, equally as militant as the US crowd, you have the Loghain romancers… those who denied the DR and allowed the traitorous ass-clown to get what they deem some pathetic measure of redemption. I’ve read the novels and to a point, can sympathize with Loghain’s character. But that still does not justify his actions during DAO IMHO. He was a traitor, and a usurper. I for one enjoy having the option to separate his soul from his body, and only spared him in the name of seeing what happened. 

 

It would have been nice to see what was originally planned for the DR. I highly doubt it was supposed to bleed into other games. DAO originally had promised 2 years of DLC and no doubt the DR was part of that. Unfortunately that changed when EA bought BW, and well… the lead designer changed (not for the better IMO… see DA2) prior to DAO’s release.



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You know, one of the advantages in being introduced to the franchise by Inquisition is that you can play the older games while bearing the latest events in mind.

I already knew I was gonna romance Morrigan with my canon Warden, and it was decided he would be a Dalish elf. She is very keen on elven culture, so I thought it was fitting.

I also made sure to make him look like Kieran.

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Whether I succeeded at that or not, at least it will be clear that their son got that brown hair from his father. (It's just hard to tell in this picture because of the lighting).

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You know, one of the advantages in being introduced to the franchise by Inquisition is that you can play the older games while bearing the latest events in mind.

I already knew I was gonna romance Morrigan with my canon Warden, and it was decided he would be a Dalish elf. She is very keen on elven culture, so I thought it was fitting.

I also made sure to make him look like Kieran.

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Whether I succeeded at that or not, at least it will be clear that their son got that brown hair from his father. (It's just hard to tell in this picture because of the lighting).

 

Cool elf.

 

On a sidenote, the Dalish Keeper who meets Maric and Loghain in Stolen Throne also has dark brown hair.. and it's said he carries a unique amulet. You get an amulet from your dead keeper father's chest in the Dalish origin, and I always thought that it was the same elf from the book. 

 

So yeah, there's possibly always been this Dalish connection with Flemeth. 

 

However, I still prefer my female Dalish over the male (who romances Morrigan). And I like a little conflict with Morrigan.



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Some belated responses.

 

Fanfiction idea:

Morrigan, Cousland and Kieran are in the Telari swamps for draconic reasons.

Morrigan dislikes and disbelieves her sister or is she?

Yavana constantly tries to seduce Cousland. He knows better.

Main selling point: contrast Yavana's treatment of her dragon and her eggs (negative) with Morrigan's feelings towards Kieran (positive).

Yay or nay?

I'd read it but I think such an encounter would likely end badly for one party.
 

I tell a lie. Chapters have been split, and may be split in the future. I'm approaching 32 chapters for BM at the moment, and who knows if there will be more ideas added to the pot, since I basically told myself that if I think of an idea that happens earlier in the chronology of the story I can just write it anyway as long as people know it happens earlier. Not like I have an actual plot. I'm probably going to end up with a book size fic to rival the retelling fanfictions. And no plot.

The bit with the ring was great, though I keep thinking, "So he wears the ring over his gauntlet? Or do elves now have x-ray vision?"

I'd be tempted to have Fergus remarried and have him have a kid by the time of your story, just because seeing Kieran interacting with a Cousin would be neat.

Yeah, there are always more ideas. I think you can do what you're doing, piggybacking off of the main plot and have it work well enough. Character-driven rather than plot-driven narrative I suppose and it all works to supplement the existing framework. Coming up with a neat idea when I've already passed that point in the timeline would be frustrating, but your structure is flexible enough that you can pull it off without much disruption to the overall flow.

Maybe he's whipping the gauntlet off mid-battle and doing the whole Frodo Baggins routine while the rest of the team give him funny looks... But hey, over-thinking stuff - that's how we know you're a Morri fan.

Yeah, I think that's probably where it needs to go. I conjured up some rough ideas and it seems to be working, also got a chapter on Al & Fergus out of it. It's going places, that's for sure.
 

What I'd like it to do is work as a story that even someone that hasn't played the game can understand. So there will be a few scenes ripped directly from the game to start, to give everything its proper context. And yeah, writing is fun, but you rely on other's material to get inspiration/motivation to even write in the first place. I wonder what it'd be like to be the only fanfic writer in a fandom, everyone loves your stuff, but there's nothing for you to read yourself.

Sure, that can work since you can embellish with prose and such so it's still sufficiently fresh regardless of the audience. Agreed on the inspiration point, it's good to read something and have it spark off something else, in a similar vein yet different direction. A number of people in here have inadvertently inspired several scenes I'm planning just through their posts- it's been a good source of ideas. I imagine being the sole provider would suck but I doubt it would remain such for long. Good work tends to inspire more from other like-minded people. If it didn't... well, you'd lose interest I suppose.
 

That would have been perfect! Since Leliana's opinion of Morrigan was so low (kind of unwarranted in my opinion, since I don't recall Morrigan being particularly nasty to her. She shot her down on fashion tips, her opinions on romance and the maker, but Morrigan wasn't really as nasty to her as she was to Alistair. If anything she revealed parts of her past that you'd think warrant some sympathy, such as when Morrigan tells Leliana about what Flemeth did to men), she would be perfect to reflect Morrigan's change by showing her own change in opinion about Morrigan. And it would have been great if we had of gotten more focus on the change in outlook between the two of them, with Leliana potentially becoming darker vs Morrigan potentially becoming lighter.

You'd think that in all the time writing each other HoF would have told Leliana about how happy he is with Morrigan and Kieran. And you'd think that would lead to Leliana reconsidering her opinions of Morrigan, especially if she hasn't seen her in around ten years and all she knows is the inevitably positive picture the HoF would paint for her. I like to imagine that the way the HoF wrote to the Inquisitor with a veiled threat/request to watch out for his family, he wouldn't send the same letter to Leliana thinking "Of course she'll watch out for them, she's one of my best friends". So I imagine he'd be a bit annoyed if he found out Leliana was acting suspicious of Morrigan.

Granted, we do get some side dialogue suggesting that Leliana is keeping an eye out for them, such as when she worries about Morrigan after the WoS, or in a bit of dialogue with a messenger finds out that it was Kieran who picked Morrigan's dress. There are hints of her more playful personality, and it would be nice to see more of that in positive interaction with Morrigan. Granted Morrigan then said "Stay away from Kieran, you're a bad influence!" But I chose to ignore that part.

Agreed. I felt that the setup was there for that and it would have been nice to have those adjusted outlooks reflect off each other in such a manner. At least in the OGB scenario, a post-Fade would be great to leverage that.

That's definitely the sort of detail I'd to see on a cross-game level, especially since they do account for Morrigan and Leliana never having met (in which case it moves immediately to the distrustful state) but a vague reference akin to "someone I respect a great deal saw something in her that I never did," that might work to give a bit more nuance to the reintroduction of characters early on. Like you say, we see some hints of it but her early appraisal of Morrigan doesn't reflect the best buddies thing she apparently has with HoF, unless he's been insanely secretive over the years.

I wonder how much of Morrigan's "stay away from my boy" stems from the things that she could spill the beans on rather than seeing her as a genuine bad influence. Or maybe it's just an example of over-protectiveness I guess. Lel's definitely interesting in our preferred setup because of the presumably differing takes Kieran would get on her from his parents, a child's curiosity would cause him to seek her out I'd expect.
 

Yeah we wouldn't want it every single scene, but I'd trade one of the smaller mentions for him being mentioned when it really matters. Something along the lines of, Flemeth insulting the HoF in some way and Morrigan snapping at her for it. Or maybe:

"And I though he was dancing to your tune, when he came to kill me. Who would have thought that it was you dancing to his, to have you playing his little wife."

It's an interesting thought that Flemeth was trying to artificially create her outlook in Morrigan. Flemeth had every reason to be bitter, after her betrayal, and cynical towards men. I think she ultimately failed because while a young, impressionable Morrigan ate up what Flemeth told her, the lessons could not ever truly sink in because she herself had never had that experience. She's fortunate when a HoF romances her because it's the perfect setup for her to learn the lessons Flemeth tried to teach her, but then depending on one's choices the HoF turns out to be an actual good person, and good for Morrigan. So she starts to realize that her she has a friend/lover who actually cares about her, contrary to everything her mother taught her. Which is why it's so messed up if a HoF that romanced or befriended her stabs her, because it's basically proving to Morrigan that what Flemeth taught her was true.

Heh, I do like that line. I expect she  would be either lost for words or tongue tied after that one.

Agreed on the rest of your points, I think the theory works when you look at the bigger picture - even just within the scope of Origins, you can posit that if left to her own devices/betrayed/shunned etc, it reinforces the teachings and ultimately leads into a possession-type outcome for Morrigan. When you look at the other known daughter, apparently Flemeth was successful to some degree, which like you say just underlines how fortuitous those particular set of circumstances are for Morrigan in terms of meeting HoF and starting to question things in earnest (though that in itself was still an unlikely outcome given her personality).
 

Yeah, I'd never actually go that route for any of my canons. But it's fun to imagine the outcome of those scenarios, or to play around with what Morrigan would be feeling or thinking if her Warden performed the US. I read a fanfiction where an US warden comes back to life, and all the wardens that killed arch demons come back to life possessed by the arch demons. It wasn't a Morrimance warden, but the idea was really fascinating. You can take the heartbreak of a Morrigan who realized how much the HoF meant to her too late, had him die, and then gave birth to his child. Play around with the horror of realizing that the arch demon still lives and is parading around in a meat puppet of her love. And if you decide to go that route, end it with Urthemiel being removed and the HoF coming back to life. The idea would be that what everyone thought about souls was wrong, since we see that Kieran has two souls, so what if the soul of the arch demon doesn't destroy the warden but rather puts them into a stasis/coma, and both souls reside in the body but with the Arch demon being in control.

Hmmm, an interesting twist, to be sure. I recall a good few years back in this thread we briefly discussed methodology for how a US warden might be brought back. I suppose given the tethered nature of the OGB soul and the situation with the other OG souls, that would open up interesting possibilities, it definitely lends itself more to lengthier works though. The switcheroo possibilities in that scenario are pretty intriguing...
 

I figure that any stories Leliana remembers from the blight would very much feature Aedan and Morrigan's evening activities since the two apparently lacked consideration to the others trying to sleep. Though to be fair, they do stick to Morrigan's tent which isn't quite the same as using a tent right in the middle of camp. So naturally Leliana would have to censor it profusely.

Yeah, I used to not review much myself. But I've come to realize that it's really necessary, otherwise there's no motivation to keep going. Granted it takes proving consistency (something I've failed at this month), but I've seen tons of stories die because they don't get many reviews early on, or at all. I've seen it happen a few times within the past couple months in the Morri section alone.

Well, if you pursue both of them, one of Leliana's ultimatums - in addition to offhandedly accusing Morri of using dark magic to spice up the HoF's enjoyment of her - describes how she saw Morri going into HoF's tent. And with Origins Morrigan, I can see her making absolutely sure Leliana sees her as well as actively preferring HoF's tent for better acoustics camp-wide.
 
Yep, it's one of the similarities I noticed between the modding and fanfiction realms. Reviews are one of the best metrics to know if something is popular/worth continuing with. Visual stuff garners this more easily since it's immediate, but written works take longer to consume and are easier to forget. There's a more pronounced gap between viewing a story and eventually rating/reviewing it. If new (good?) stuff is drying up due to apparent lack of interest, that's a shame but it's far from a new problem... The majority of any given fandom is ever the silent majority. Sounds like I need to have a perusal of the Morri section.
 

Yeah, Cassandra is definitely my favorite romance of the game (but then again, Josie...), but you just can't beat Morrigan. I am thinking I need more interaction between those two. But currently I haven't found any ideas that strike me hard enough to start a separate fic at the moment.

This thread is a good place to toss ideas around. I know that in game Sera says Corypheus' name in a weird way, but I don't know if how I did it is exactly that. I think I made my own version up. I did enjoy writing the letter chapter the most, since it got as many characters as possible involved. I've got an image of Batman running around with the letter, yelling, "Sometimes you just can't get rid of a bomb."

As for Cass and Morri, I'm not sure if you're going in this direction (or even if you're fishing for ideas) but this is something I'd thought on. You had the conversation earlier on regarding their romantic partners and if Cass becomes Divine (or around the time she is a likely prospective winner) you have a vaguely similar setup to Morri's old DR vs romance dilemma with the difference being Cass doesn't want to go against that aspect of tradition and thus that's the end of the road for her and Inquisitor. Could be interesting to explore and contrast that towards the very end of the plotline if that's how you want to play it out, particularly in the sense that Cass would be going against the earlier advice of Morri (even if the decision is largely out of her hands). Even if you didn't want to go whole hog on that track (have Cass as a candidate, but ultimately not made Divine), you could wrangle a conversation out of the two with Cassandra's growing concern/conflict over that coming vote, that would work I think, like Morri, she gets caught up in the moment then something potentially happens which derails it.

Or if you wanted to go with something lighter, maybe a follow up from their earlier chat married with some awkward mention of that letter, not sure how or if that would work/flow but it's the first thing that comes to mind, but chronologically you might be past the point where that's viable without framing it as a past event.

And that Batman scene pretty much sums it up, haha.
 

Glad you liked the flashback, it was one of those moments that I hadn't really seen very often and decided needed to be out there somewhere, because there's no way someone so completely inexperienced with children would have an easy time of it, and she'd definitely need some help. Factoring in the fact that you feel her sadness and regret through the ring, she must have been at a really low point around the time Kieran was first born.

Though the regret part you feel through the ring could possibly also have been, "I regret not bringing him along so someone other than I can change these dirty diapers!"

As for the flashback, yeah, I am toying with the idea of something along similar lines, chronologically it makes sense to have it occur early on but I think for what I'm doing, it works better as a flashback. It's something I'll have to think on in light of MisterJB's info on the Awakening timeline & Kieran's birth.

Yes, that's so Morrigan. "No you can't come with me... wait a second, on second thought, I DO have a use for you." Ah well, I suppose there are fringe benefits, too.
 

That sounds like it'll be a lot of fun. I don't think I've seen any fics covering the time periods you are suggesting, so I'm definitely down for seeing what you come up with for the crossroads. Just off the top of my head the thought that after Aedan leaves he doesn't come back into the story with Morrigan and Kieran does potentially pose a problem if people get invested in seeing them together, so not having them together through the rest of the story could be difficult, but we'll see how it goes.

Yeah, one shots are definitely easier, and since all my chapters are basically one shots in the same story for the sake of reader convenience (no need to follow or favorite new stories every single time) I haven't approached a fully plotted fic like that yet. But we'll see what happens.

It was mainly noting that you won't see them together in the DAI timeline, since mine will end/pause then or shortly after. He's doing his own thing and will have his own limited number of chapters. Secondly, there will be flashbacks & some reminiscing from certain characters- namely from the POV of Morri and Lel about past events so you do see them together again, sort of. I don't want to go too far past that end point for reasons I've outlined previously & I may want/need to pick it up again down the line. But I doubt I'll leave you high and dry on the edge of cliff, so to speak. But I don't want to spoil things. This all hinges on me actually getting up to that point, mind.

Last but not least, I liked that Morrigan's angry kiss made it into your latest chapter.



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How optimistic do you guys feel about the Warden's quest to cure the Calling? Will it still be addressed in the next games? Will he succeed?

"Curing the Calling" isn't the best way to describe it, though. It merely gives a warning for the actual thing. What the Warden is looking for is a cure for the taint or a way to counter its effects.

So we have three alternatives:

A - To be rid of the taint completely like Fiona.

B- To merely delay their fate, resulting in a longer life span.

C- The most ambitious goal, which would be to make the Grey Wardens adapt to it completely. The taint would be as natural to their body as it is to the darkspawn.

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How optimistic do you guys feel about the Warden's quest to cure the Calling? Will it still be addressed in the next games? Will he succeed?

"Curing the Calling" isn't the best way to describe it, though. It merely gives a warning for the actual thing. What the Warden is looking for is a cure for the taint or a way to counter its effects.

So we have three alternatives:

A - To be rid of the taint completely like Fiona.

B- To merely delay their fate, resulting in a longer life span.

C- The most ambitious goal, which would be to make the Grey Wardens adapt to it completely. The taint would be as natural to their body as it is to the darkspawn.

 

Optimistic? I don't know anything that's truly important about it, from an overall story point of view. If they have something interesting planned for the Warden joining after that, it'd be cool. But the Warden mythos could still be the same in the world the other way too. To me, the Cure doesn't seem like a story that absolutely needs to be told about all Wardens.

 

But the real reason seems to be on a smaller character basis. Whether your Warden gets to have a normal life. Or whether Alistair gets to use it too, and sit on the throne for longer. But since there are many scenarios where Alistair could be gone or dead, I don't think that's important either.



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I wonder if there are any chances Morrigan will be in the final DLC.

 

It seems to be more substantial than Witch Hunt with its five new bard songs and will probably focus on Solas which means elven gods which means Mythal's godhood could play a role.



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I wonder if there are any chances Morrigan will be in the final DLC.

 

It seems to be more substantial than Witch Hunt with its five new bard songs and will probably focus on Solas which means elven gods which mean Mythal's godhood could play a role.

 

 

More-so if Morrigan drank from the Well. Maybe show some consequences for her or the Inquisitor being bound to Mythal? Like her being forced to defend Solas if you try to fight him?



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Before going after the archdemon, Alistair tells you he knows about the ritual and is concerned about it.

I'm like "Dude... were you watching?"

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Before going after the archdemon, Alistair tells you he knows about the ritual and is concerned about it.

I'm like "Dude... were you watching?"

Really?  :blink:

 

I don't remember him saying that, he seemed pretty oblivious to it after the ceremony, thinking Riordan was wrong about Warden sacrificing his life in process of killing the archdemon. I guess he says that if you talk to him directly during the battle in Denerim? Because I was so concentrated on the fighting, I didn't talk to my companions there... :lol:



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Before going after the archdemon, Alistair tells you he knows about the ritual and is concerned about it.

I'm like "Dude... were you watching?"

 

Yeah, that was creepy, still it's Alistair we're talking about.

 

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Well... now that I think about it... they let the door open...

 

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Really? :blink:

I don't remember him saying that, he seemed pretty oblivious to it after the ceremony, thinking Riordan was wrong about Warden sacrificing his life in process of killing the archdemon. I guess he says that if you talk to him directly during the battle in Denerim? Because I was so concentrated on the fighting, I didn't talk to my companions there... :lol:


It's when Riordan tells you to choose which companions you're taking to fight the archdemon and then everyone stops to wish you good luck.

Well... now that I think about it... they let the door open...

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"So, I just wanted to talk about what Riordan s--"

Yeah, that was creepy, still it's Alistair we're talking about.

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Peeping is baaaaad. :P
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Before going after the archdemon, Alistair tells you he knows about the ritual and is concerned about it.

I'm like "Dude... were you watching?"

 

Hah... I don't remember actually playing that way. You never told him?

 

 

I think the speeches if you do are some best acting in the game, from both Alistair and Loghain.



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I didn't have to.

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I didn't have to.

 

That's right...you're romancing her. If you ever get the chance, try Loghain especially. His whole post Landsmeet stuff is excellent actually. You don't have to like him... just Mary Kirby and the actor.



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I do like Loghain.

It's hard to find an ounce of remorse behind that wall of pride, but he is greatly entertaining.

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There... I'm making it official!  :lol:

 

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Don't judge it, please. I know nothing about working with pictures... I am also close to my nap time.  :)


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That one is a bug I think. I've always gotten it so I thought Alistair knowing about the ritual even if he was not involved was normal. But on my latest playthrough I made Anora Queen and had Alistair remain a Warden and he had no clue how my Warden survived slaying the Archdemon.

 

Before I established my new canon in my latest playthrough I always made him King, and the bug always happened, so I assume that's the cause. If Qun00 has Alistair as King and Vlada47 doesn't, that would basically confirm it.



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Alistair and Loghain knowing about the ritual when they shouldn't is indeed a bug, I recall fixing it for both - there's unique dialogue for each of them when everything works properly.

 

As for that pic, I'm glad I didn't forcibly close that door as part of the cutscene now.



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Before I established my new canon in my latest playthrough I always made him King, and the bug always happened, so I assume that's the cause. If Qun00 has Alistair as King and Vlada47 doesn't, that would basically confirm it.

I actually have Alistair as a king... he still didn't know about how I could survive, until I had a opportunity to tell him.



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Haha I didn't had that problem regarding peeping, alistair was already sent to be executed in my playthrough by then, another loose end dealt with :) though I think on PS3 the door gets closed hehe. Besides, I liked how it ended for Loghain in the Fade, he died a hero's death and redeemed himself for what he did during the 5th Blight, it was an easy choice to make instead of letting Hawke die, he still have people to look after and care about like Bethany and Isabela (again according my playthrough). 

 

As for finding the cure, well, It could actually mean a long life for the Warden with his family. Also, it could mean that the Wardens can have a choice in whether to take the cure or to go for the calling, some could choose to get cured and remain in the order to train the new batch of Wardens why waste the knowledge and experience when reaching an older age and die when they can still be useful if not by sensing darkspawn at least be teaching and training the new recruits. They can have a normal life, die peacefully or die fighting. It could also be used as a special reward for those who served the Wardens with honors at a proper age for retirement. I think it opens several options in finding the cure for the Order in general or for the Warden in specific wich also links to Morrigan and Keiran.