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[Yaroub]

What about Kieran?! 

 

He returned to his mighty father.

[Yaroub]

 

 

On the way back to father, lover and a legend, praise the Hof.

[Lord_Anthonior]

 

 

On the way back to father, lover and a legend, praise the Hof.

Just last Thursday I was finishing the game for...the 5th time and I while I was watching the epilogue I took a screencap of precisely this image, just getting the save file ready to play Trespasser.

 

I do hope that they're actually going back to see the father, lover and legend, I want them to be reunited once more, obviously not in the upcoming DLC but perhaps in the future. 

 

Also I would've liked a game with three acts, each act played by each main character and some of their main companions, and the final act given the option to choose with whom to play it, maybe in the final battle against the threat in the game then the epilogue. (I know, I've been playing The Witcher 3 a lot lately)  

[Qun00]

[Yaroub]

Just last Thursday I was finishing the game for...the 5th time and I while I was watching the epilogue I took a screencap of precisely this image, just getting the save file ready to play Trespasser.

 

I do hope that they're actually going back to see the father, lover and legend, I want them to be reunited once more, obviously not in the upcoming DLC but perhaps in the future. 

 

Also I would've liked a game with three acts, each act played by each main character and some of their main companions, and the final act given the option to choose with whom to play it, maybe in the final battle against the threat in the game then the epilogue. (I know, I've been playing The Witcher 3 a lot lately)  

 

Well, Morrigan's supposed to go back to Hof, but from the way BW is going it's most likely off screen, which would be pretty,pretty disappointing, i don't know, one can hope Hof will return.

 

Yeah TW3 an epic game, and the protagonist each act idea sounds refreshing, i think it would come to where the game will be set, if in the Anderfels i can see you play as a warden in Weisshaupt, an Anders in Hossberg and a Dwarf from Kal Sharok.

 

Or regarding the Imperium-Qunari war, you be a fog warrior from Seheron, a Tevinter mage and a Qunari from Par Vollen, but this would be more of who will you chose to emerge triumphant in the end more than a battle against a final boss, as they are at war with each other.

[Chaos Imperius]

Awakening is a bugged garbage like a getting merchants to your base if you miss them in your main quests you won't be able to get them again same with the imports if you decide to save your base it will say at the end that all your friends died but in DA2 you'll find them alive best way is to use Console but how to make Morrigan appear is to set her love status 'till the end of game so don't speak with her near the generim gate or you can and then gift her the mirror and gifts so it will set her back on love status or use console to jump back to the camp and change it back to love after you spoke with her 

[Vlada47]

Yep... but aren't there mods that can deal with that garbage?

[Qun00]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm not a big fan of the romance related epilogues in Awakening.

Why would love require you to give up your position as Warden-Commander permanently? Ugh.

[Yaroub]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm not a big fan of the romance related epilogues in Awakening.

Why would love require you to give up your position as Warden-Commander permanently? Ugh.

 

He remains warden commander, he just leave Amaranthine and vigil keep, nonetheless Hof is beyond titles.

[Vlada47]

Well actually... it kinda demonstrated what I would want in that situation, love or no love. Amaranthine saved, darkspawn stomped on the head and almost half of my team there dead or missing (with probably most of the soldiers in Vigil's Keep), time to pack my things and go about wardening somewhere else, where I don't have to deal with backstabbing nobles and revolting peasants. I would be absolutely fine to pass the ruling over arling to say Nathaniel. 

[Qun00]

Do you guys think Kieran will take the Warden's last name? You know, considering that Morrigan has no family to speak of.

Really though, it must be weird to live that way. She has no grandparents, no relatives, no clue about her origins. Like being a blank space in the records of history.

[Vlada47]

Does he need to have that last name? I guess it could have some meaning, if your Warden is of noble origin, but otherwise... As far as I care the last name is just some label indicating possible relation to somebody else. I wouldn't have much of a problem to live that way - without knowing my possible relatives... true, they can be useful, when you're knee deep in problems (money, food, roof over the head...). 

[Qun00]

As I recall it, Morrigan said she didn't want to raise him in a marsh like she was.

If he is to become a member of society, that just comes with the territory. We also have last names for a matter of identity. He can't be the only boy called Kieran in the world, after all.

And when you say something that cold about family, I can only assume you're referring to distant relatives like cousins and such.

[Vlada47]

Ok I have to admit - it would be important for identity purposes. I kinda went for more... I don't know... philosophical approach there... 

 

What "cold" did you mean? The "not needing to know about my relatives" part or the "they are good for problematic situations" part? The first - I really meant it in general, I can imagine quite well to never have know my parents, siblings or anybody else and I know some people, who lost one or both their parents at very young age and know how every one of them have been dealing with it over the years. Some are more sensitive to it, others take it almost as normal thing in their life and just don't give much damn about it (they are just focused on their career and what they enjoy in their own life). The second - that was merely a sarcastic jest... I'm like that, I joke about pretty much everything, even totally inappropriate things... you'll get used to it. 

[Qun00]

Nah, that's alright.

But since we're talking about parentage, do you believe Flemeth actually gave birth to Morrigan or did the latter just... spawn from a magic ritual?

[Vlada47]

I don't know... I can take into account just what I saw in Origins (if there's something about it in Inquisition, I don't know... have not played it yet). Morrigan can't say for sure herself. Although... I doubt she just "spawned" fromsome magic ritual... however, she may have been taken from some tribe in the Wilds or even offered as some kind of sacrifice to Flemeth as a little baby.

[sylvanaerie]

Nah, that's alright.

But since we're talking about parentage, do you believe Flemeth actually gave birth to Morrigan or did the latter just... spawn from a magic ritual?

Since DA2, I've kind of had the theory that Morrigan is a younger piece of Flemeth.  She recalls seeing Flemeth looking youthful in her younger years.  There are moments they look very much alike.  Alistair even says at times she favors her mother in looks.  Of course that could be teasing her, but there were a couple moments in DA2 when she moved or said something that seemed very "Morrigan-like".

 

But yea, there's enough resemblance there I could see where she birthed her.  As Morrigan puts it, it doesn't matter where she's from, it's who she is and where she's going from the present that matter to her, not the past.

[Brockololly]

I was thinking the same thing when I first saw the trailer. Ah, well... its probably for the best she isn't... there would probably be another ridiculous canon bursting plotline aka Well of Sorrows, where she makes an assclown choice solely because a shallow plot demands it with little expansion of her character.... if it's 2 years later, hopefully, Lady M has reunited with the real DA hero.

I don't know man... Laidlaw has hinted on twitter to stay tuned post credits yet again with this DLC. I'm half wondering if we don't get some kind of post credits stinger, this time with Morrigan? Maybe, maybe not. Guess we'll find out tomorrow.

And apropos of nothing, as I crawl my way towards the end of the Witcher 3, I really can't get over how great the whole Geralt, Yen and Ciri relationship is. Just transpose the Warden in for Geralt, Yen for Morrigan and Ciri for Kieran and its just fantastic in my head.

Even the music from The Witcher is great for thinking up nice emotional scenes for Morrigan and the Warden that'll never happen anymore in a BioWare game.


Like take this Aimo picture she did a while back:


But then play this music from The Witcher along with that picture. Now imagine that your Warden finds Morrigan seemingly dead (probably getting up to some poor decision making a la Well of Sorrows again) and just as all hope is lost (cut to around the 2 minute mark in the song) Morrigan springs back to life and all is well and they walk off into the sunset.

Or if you prefer, imagine Morrigan being the one cradling a seemingly dead Hero of Ferelden after she's been searching for him after he's been quiet on his quest to cure the Calling and through whatever, he springs back to life and they go off into the sunset to have awesome family adventures.


But I doubt we'll ever get anything half as emotionally resonant as that with Morrigan in the future since BioWare seems intent on making her forget the HoF and Kieran.

[MisterJB]

What about Kieran?!

Oh Maker, Kieran is 12!
In these ages, two years make all the difference. How is he? Hás he grown, changed his voice, started to notice girls?
He has had two more birthdays. Was father there?

He is growing up too fast!

[Aren]

Sounds like more baseless Morrigan bashing by people desperate to find reasons to dislike her. 1)Never mind that we already know that the the outcome of the DR is not even close to the catastrophic scenario they've tried to force us to accept as a narrative.

 

2)What I don't understand is why it becomes the moment that your character is suddenly selfish. That's only if the DR results in an evil force being unleashed. Which, guess what, no matter how often people try to rationalize it in their heads, is not true at all. Maybe rather than being selfish, the Warden believes what Morrigan says, because they trust her, because they've developed a relationship (romantic or otherwise) that has shown them her true self, under the shell she's built around herself. Maybe they believe her when they say that the old god is purified by doing the ritual. And who's to say an old god is by default evil? Sounds like some chantry lover's propaganda if you ask me.

 

Sure the warden may not understand the forces they are dabbling in. But if they trust Morrigan, who does understand them, then it's not a matter of selfishness, but of trust. That statement you quoted is a shallow reading of the situation, which I've seen applied to Morrigan far too often.

 

So as far as I'm concerned, no Warden is less of a hero for doing the ritual. Though it comes down to motivation. Maybe the Warden is terrified of dying, or maybe they believe Morrigan when she says it's not going to be evil. And with the virtue of retrospect we know that to be true. An OGB Kieran is no more dangerous than a regular Kieran.

 

Yeah, that post struck a nerve in me too.

 

Also, in regards to going with Morrigan vs doing his duty. By that point my HoF is maybe a little done with it all. He's done everything he can, and now that there is a relative peace he is maybe thinking a little bit selfishly as he decides to go with Morrigan. There's also the fact that because of how important family was in his life, he can't continue on knowing he has a child out there somewhere and not try to have Morrigan and their son in his life. Not to mention the stuff with Oghren and his family are a constant reminder to him of what he's missing. 

I will put on bold-whom only the parts of whom i'm interested:

1.  They who?  You are using metagaming here,but is not even the point.
   If the writers would have opted for a catastrophic outcome for the DR then they would have penalized the players who rejected the ritual ironically,because you know a catastrophic outcome is something meaningful for the narrative, and others players would lost content,for a game/single choice of 5 years earlier.It would have been from the writers part something like:
   "Ehi you moron over there! yes you! because you do the right thing 5 years ago by rejecting the Dark promise you can skip this game,bye, see you for DA4 ! "   Instead as was predictable they opted for a nullification who happens as a branch of the same quest.If the DR would have result in a catastrophe i would have took the option,because from a narrative point of view it would have been much more meaningful,but is not the case,in DAI it was just somehow negated as a plot point,by using the so called narrative eraser of choices,Flemeth.Anyhow i still fail to grasp of why players  as counter point speak in terms of good or bad outcome,as if a bad outcome can do harm to a bunch of files....btb i didn't do the DR for my personal decision that have nothing to do with possible repercussion or backfiring,i simply didn't like to make sort of experiment on infants
2. Simple counter point against your argument
   Put aside the Archdemon and let's talk about Urthemiel for a moment,because the DR revolve around him.
   Do you have something to say about him? answer No
   Do i have something to say about him other than baseless speculation that link him with the forgotten ones or the Maker? Answer No
   Do Morrigan have something to say about Urthemiel the old god other than is shiny and powerful and old,must be preserved because Flemeth taught/brainwashed  me? Answer no.
   DO Flemeth?Yes
   So if i'm being honest i'm not cannot capable to understand on how it is possible to trust someone if this one do not know what is going on.
   So when you say,this "But if they trust Morrigan, who does understand them, then it's not a matter of selfishness" i see a lot of bias,because it was already demonstrated that aside from Solas and Flemeth and Urthemiel himself now one knows on who these dragons are/were, and why they are buried,all that i know until now is the fact that they perform an annoying calling and that they aren't useful in anyway.
   You can trust Flemeth or Solas about the old gods,but Morrigan who knows nothing about them?It's kinda contrived.
   No chantry propaganda here,just someone who wish to be  rationalistic ,and as i said for what i saw,these things cause blights,these things call the darkspawn,these things were buried by someone,these things lead maybe,just maybe Corypheus into the black city.
   Plus it was Flemeth plan,FLemeth magic,a warden who do not take into account these things(and Flemeth coming back),of course that will not see the DR as a selfish,but just because you don't want to see this doesn't mean that these things are not there..
   Mythal who wish revenge put her hands on a dragon god soul,is not something that i'm willingly to dismiss,it was not selfish you said,it was for my logic,it happened because you allowed this..as for the DR i only see Morrigan kind of brainwashed by Flemeth's bidding and the allure of power,she doesn't wish to save the old god because she has an end plan,she only want power,and she was also brainwashed,but my warden it was not.
3. Being wardens is about duty, not about being heroes.
   So when you said:
   So as far as I'm concerned, no Warden is less of a hero for doing the ritual.
   Ironically is quite the reversal
   The warden who refuse the DR is a Warden who renounced to personal glory for the best interest of the continent by putting the inherent risks of the DR at the level of 0
   (Flemeth,the old god,Morrigan,another possible blight ecc.)
   At the end of the day ,the glory was lessened for the best interest in terms of security.
   That's what that user was talking about,the DR isn't a warden path,and is not in the best interest of anyone over there aside from Flemeth and Urthemiel.

with virtue of retrospect,you still do not know who Urthemiel is and what Flemeth intend to do,all things that never happened without the DR.

[Vlada47]

Oh good lord...  There we go again. 

[BurningLizard]

Some belated responses.

 

I'd read it but I think such an encounter would likely end badly for one party.
 

Yeah, there are always more ideas. I think you can do what you're doing, piggybacking off of the main plot and have it work well enough. Character-driven rather than plot-driven narrative I suppose and it all works to supplement the existing framework. Coming up with a neat idea when I've already passed that point in the timeline would be frustrating, but your structure is flexible enough that you can pull it off without much disruption to the overall flow.

Maybe he's whipping the gauntlet off mid-battle and doing the whole Frodo Baggins routine while the rest of the team give him funny looks... But hey, over-thinking stuff - that's how we know you're a Morri fan.

Yeah, I think that's probably where it needs to go. I conjured up some rough ideas and it seems to be working, also got a chapter on Al & Fergus out of it. It's going places, that's for sure.

 

Sorry for not responding sooner. Work has been hectic. 

 

Yeah, even early on my timeline was all janked up. So I've decided not to worry about it too much. And my plans are going to contradict whatever happens in the last DLC anyway most likely. So what the hey. Just gonna do my own thing.

 

Overthinking stuff is the only way to go.

 

In regards to inspiration. I just realized that having other origins interacting with each others' origins could mean the possibility to make changes. Such as people surviving that shouldn't survive because another warden was there to help. And I'm debating whether that's a good idea, or if it undermines the tragedy of the origin.

 

Perhaps the HoF has been secretive about what exactly he has been up to, to Leliana, because he knows Leliana's opinion of Morrigan, and he's tired of the antagonism between the two of them. So perhaps better to just not mention it to her so Leliana has no idea what those two have been up to and only really remembers Morrigan from ten years ago.

 

Telling Leliana to stay away from Kieran probably has less to do with your typical "Bad Influence" and more to do with her not wanting Kieran indoctrinated by a member of the chantry. Though I'm willing to buy there being multiple reasons, and Morrigan probably wouldn't want Leliana sharing embarrassing stories. 

 

In regards to the "Possessed HoF coming back to life" scenario. There's a lot of scenarios I can think of that would lend towards longer, much longer, works. Though part of me is pretty certain I'll never write them all out, since it would take way too much of my time to do so. One idea I've considered is the "what if?" scenario of getting to the final battle, doing the DR, and then the ArchDemon, for some reason, never shows up for the final battle. The blight continues, they don't know where the arch demon is, and now the DR is useless, or at least until Morrigan gives birth and can possibly try again. Of course by that point things would be different...

 

With the tents, I can now see a different scenario than what I originally had in mind. Morrigan insisting on using HoF's tent, and him wondering why not hers, since it's more private. And I doubt dark magic is needed to spice things up. Maybe Morrigan picked up a version of the electricity trick Isabela talks about.

 

Yeah, fanfiction seems to take a back seat to fan art more often than not. Easy to consume, but I think it's fanfiction that has the better chance of having an impact. I at least find myself having a stronger emotional reaction to fanfiction than fan art. 

 

It would be nice, with Cassandra, to explore her feelings on becoming a possible candidate while also being in love. I never really got a big sense that she was conflicted, though I could have missed something. With Morrigan I definitely remember her regret at having to leave (the necessity of that being a different topic all together), but with Cassandra I get more of a sense of "Oh well..." I'm not saying she should give up becoming Divine if she's romanced, but a scene or two of her being conflicted over the decision would have been nice.

 

For timelines between Awakening and Witch Hunt. I find it's best just to remain vague. Since I can't find any concrete information about how much time it's been. Every source I look at disagrees with other sources.

 

Morrigan: "I have need for your...manly talents."

 

HoF: "It's painting the shed isn't it?"

 

Morrigan: "There is no shed. But it is...like painting the shed. The purpose of this task is to AVOID getting color anywhere."

 

HoF: "...what?"

 

Also, angry kiss is best kiss.

 

In regards to the dark ritual discussion from earlier. I'm imagining it would have been real amusing if only the warden that did the ritual could kill the arch demon, since perhaps the dark ritual formed a link between Morrigan and the Warden. So in order to make sure the ritual has the most success they'd have to have all the wardens that could potentially kill the arch demon present. Not involved, but present, possibly wearing robes and chanting.

 

Alistair: "So uh...this...uh..."

 

HoF: "Blindfold and Ear Plugs?"

 

Alistair: "Oh thank the maker yes!"

[Vlada47]

 

In regards to the dark ritual discussion from earlier. I'm imagining it would have been real amusing if only the warden that did the ritual could kill the arch demon, since perhaps the dark ritual formed a link between Morrigan and the Warden. So in order to make sure the ritual has the most success they'd have to have all the wardens that could potentially kill the arch demon present. Not involved, but present, possibly wearing robes and chanting.

 

Alistair: "So uh...this...uh..."

 

HoF: "Blindfold and Ear Plugs?"

 

Alistair: "Oh thank the maker yes!"

I'm not sure I could get everything comfortably working in that situation (being the Warden doing DR)... 

[Qun00]

Oh good lord... There we go again.

If KomandorSheperd comes here we'll never hear the end of it.

[Vlada47]

Who?