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[sylvanaerie]

We did. The ending to Origins + the epilogue to Awakening already tell you what you need to know.

If you want an entire game dedicated to the Warden's daily life, that is not happening.


Forming a family and having kids I can share gaming experiences with.

That's one of my life goals right there.

 

It's great, because sometimes I feel my youngest is the only one in the house who comes close to 'getting me'.  And even if some of what he's into (anime and stuff) I'm not, at least I know enough about it to hold lively conversations with him.  We never run out of interesting things to talk about.  Gaming is high on that list.

I'm just a big overgrown kid myself    You should have seen the excitement the day I found out about the trespasser trailer (only a couple days before release itself).

[Vlada47]

Well I'll see, when I'll play DA: I, but... I usually get attached to a character from the game, which has generally more effect on me through its story, lore, other characters (companions most of all) and general setting. Since I usually create personality of my canon character around that setting I have to go with my Warden as well. I just liked the dark atmosphere and sense of desperation present in Origins, rather than "run around the town and solve everybody's daily problems" in DA2. And since Morrigan kinda hit the spot for me in terms of my preference in women (pretty much the same deal as Yennefer is to Geralt in Sapkowski's novels with some differences here and there), I got even more attachment to my Warden. Don't get me wrong, I liked creating my canon Hawke, surprisingly female, as well (it's similar in a way to sylvanerie's Hawke I guess... basically snarky and sarcastic rogue, who likes to get into problems, but with with obvious weak spot for her family), but I just made the Warden to be... well more like me, because I felt Origins is the way for me to go in terms of atmosphere, companions and situation the main character happens to be in. Although the small fact that they are actually relatives (my Warden is Amell) was kinda cool for me... I wonder if Bioware get them to meet at some point.

[Qun00]

It's great, because sometimes I feel my youngest is the only one in the house who comes close to 'getting me'. And even if some of what he's into (anime and stuff) I'm not, at least I know enough about it to hold lively conversations with him. We never run out of interesting things to talk about. Gaming is high on that list.
I'm just a big overgrown kid myself You should have seen the excitement the day I found out about the trespasser trailer (only a couple days before release itself).

That's the best thing about the newest generation of moms and dads. All I've ever heard from my own mother was that "it is a kid's toy" and I should move on.

By the way, has your son played the previous DA games?

[sylvanaerie]

That's the best thing about the newest generation of moms and dads. All I've ever heard from my own mother was that "it is a kid's toy" and I should move on.

By the way, has your son played the previous DA games?

Origins, yes.  Seen me play DA2, doesn't care for it, but likes Fenris if he were to romance anyone.  Loves Alistair and Zevran in Origins.  Likes Leliana more in Origins than Inquisition if you don't soften her with your Inquisitor (guess he prefers her non-princess stabbity personality--softened version).  Likes Morrigan in Inquisition far more than in Origins.  I like both versions but I have to admit, I prefer the wonderful character evolution she experiences in Inquisition, going from selfish power hungry woman to a caring (albeit still power hungry) mother.  I love that she warms if your keep has her as romanced the warden and living the past few years in a familial bond with their son, but she's still uniquely Morrigan.

 

BTW I'm probably the same age or older than your mom is.  Post menopausal retired lady here.   I'm just a big kid at heart though.

[Miss Golightly]

My mom HATES video games. She's never approved of it. She didn't want her daughter doing an "activity for boys" (yet I played all sorts of sports with boys). So now I'm 20, saving money for university and it's even more taboo. But whenever I play the Legend of Zelda, she'll sit and watch for some reason lol. I don't get it. 
My father is way more chill about it. He doesn't play video games, but he supports my hobby.

 

Also, I finished the Trespasser DLC this evening. It froze on me right at the end of the last big fight and I had to do it all over again. I almost threw my controller through the TV, I was livid. 

As far as Morrigan content goes, there really isn't any. My Inquisitor briefly mentioned Morrigan twice, and that's really all I got. Nothing regarding the WoS. Anybody else?

Is it worth the 15 bones? Ehhhhhhh... it's pretty much "Dragon Age Citadel", but it's not a complete fan service, and it's setting up the plot for the next game.You could probably watch it on youtube if you had to for the story bits. I found some of the fights somewhat difficult as well.

 

Big DLC spoiler here

Spoiler

Solas basically plans to restore the old world of his people, and doing this will destroy Thedas as we know it and everybody in it. At the very end of the DLC, the main members of the Inquisition meet and state that Solas knows everything about them, and then they go on to say that they need to recruit people Solas knows nothing about. 

The gears are turning in my head with speculation. For some reason, Morrigan in DA4 seems just a tad more likely to me now than it did a few days ago. And then I think we're not getting DA4 until 2017 at the earliest.... the wait might just kill me.

 

You also end up in this ancient elven library in the Crossroads, and I couldn't help but wonder if Morrigan spent time there and this is where she picked up much of her knowledge.

[Vlada47]

Well there's not many people who would support something they not know anything about and something they don't have the time to get to know. It's perfectly natural confusion by new things... Plus there is no direct benefit from playing games, unless you want to get rid of someone for few hours, at the end of day it's just a hobby that eats time and you can develop addiction on it (like on pretty much anything). My parents didn't like it either, but I don't blame them for that from retrospective. I saw what it could do to you if you spend too much time on it. On the other hand I never really shared my parent's views either...  Still as years went by I was spending less and less time on it and started to plan it more... now it's not much about "I want to play a game so I play some game", but there's thousand ifs that dictate me, whether it's a good time to play certain game or not. Therefore I often go without playing anything for months and I'm perfectly fine with that. 

 

As for kids... well assuming I'll ever have some (terrifying thought for me, but who knows what'll happen 5-10 years from now  ), I wouldn't exactly encourage them to play games, but if they find their own way to them and manage to keep the activity on sensible levels (no 8-hour sessions or something even longer), then sure... why not.

 

Hmm... I went 100% off topic with this... so... there you go... 

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[Qun00]

So, I'm playing a dwarf now and I just got to Lothering. I had my character ask Alistair where Orzammar is and he found it funny that she wouldn't know.

To my surprise, Morrigan called him a fool and explained that it was because my Warden had never been to the surface before. I didn't think she would stand up for anyone like that, unless it's someone who has worked hard to break through her shell.

But maybe she just doesn't like missing an opportunity to call him stupid.

[Miss Golightly]

Am I the only one that kind of wishes they'd included some kind of super awkward attempted flirting dialogue in DAI? I would have loved to have seen Morrigan's reaction. I like to think that my male Inquisitor had a bit of a boyish crush on her, hence why he inquires about Kieran's father. And then he finds out that Morrigan is already spoken for and Kieran's dad is the HoF, so he immediately just backs off. 

I think some kind of attempted flirting during the Wicked Hearts quest would have been hilarious.

[sylvanaerie]

So, I'm playing a dwarf now and I just got to Lothering. I had my character ask Alistair where Orzammar is and he found it funny that she wouldn't know.

To my surprise, Morrigan called him a fool and explained that it was because my Warden had never been to the surface before. I didn't think she would stand up for anyone like that, unless it's someone who has worked hard to break through her shell.

But maybe she just doesn't like missing an opportunity to call him stupid.

 

This.  I think her funniest line happens if you don't play a Cousland and pick up Dog on the road.  Something like: "We now have a dog and Alistair is still the stupidest one in the party."

[Vlada47]

Really? I had slightly different reaction, still funny ... https://www.youtube....utu.be&t=17m18s

[sylvanaerie]

Really? I had slightly different reaction, still funny ... https://www.youtube....utu.be&t=17m18s

 

Yea, you didn't follow the dialogue tree that presents it.  I think you have to tell Alistair, "If you want him, you can have him."  Alistair responds with "Me??? I can barely take care of myself, let alone a dog!" and then you can say "Okay he can come along." then Morrigan has her 'smarter than Alistair' line.

 

I think that's the tree that leads to it...?  And yes, I've played this game too much.

[Qun00]

This. I think her funniest line happens if you don't play a Cousland and pick up Dog on the road. Something like: "We now have a dog and Alistair is still the stupidest one in the party."

And if you say the dog can come with you as long as he (c'mon, the mabari are too smart to be called an "it") makes himself useful, Morrigan remarks that " And yet we still keep Alistair around".

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I am curious. How do you romance Morrigan as a good person ? I mean she is not exactly very nice in game. She approves leaving the mages to their fate, approves killing Caridin and using the Anvil, approves sending the City Elves off with the magister and then proceed to ask the Warden for their sperm and leave them for 2 years.

 

So I am curious how one manages to play as a good Warden and romanced her without racking up too much disapproval points.

[Vlada47]

Define for me the term "good Warden", what he/she should do, how he/she should interact with others... 

 

My Warden generally saves lives around him (if possible), put his life on the line for people he respects and is polite to others, but on the other hand is often detached to people or doesn't say to them exactly what he thinks, either for their own good or because it's not their damn business (he can talk diplomatic with somebody and at the same time have pretty vivid images of burning the said person alive). Still he values opinions of others (even those completely different to his) and doesn't try to bend them to his views, unless those opinions are in a way of the thing he believes he should do. He's also largely fine with using questionable means (blood magic, weird rituals, powerful artifacts...) to an end, if he doesn't think they should cause (too much) harm on innocent or his friends, and benefits must outweigh negatives in his eyes. If this still count as "good Warden", then I'll try to explain how it went in his case...

 

Being a mage trained in the Circle, he is curious about Morrigan being apostate and how she managed certain things that he himself had to put up with (demons, Chantry laws and stuff) and about her unfamiliar (to him) skills in magic. That is where he starts his interaction with her at... simple curiosity. And despite him having different views on certain things (like treating others), he kinda gets her point given her background and general personality... he even sees maybe cold but useful logic in her ways. He also values some of her traits like her independence, display of confidence, her intelligence and knowledge despite her growing up in a swamp and her sex-appeal (to him at least...). Gradually he starts to get more comfortable around her and even picks up on flirting with her (which she does herself), which eventually culminates in... him warming up Morrigan's bedroll.  Initially he's fine with the way she takes it - having the relationship based on mutual attraction and desire without any deep emotion involved. However the said emotions start to slowly creep in and he realizes that he's becoming more protective of her (situation with Flemeth... he could probably stay out of Morrigan's problems, but he didn't), he likes being around her and making her happy on some level (like when he gives her the mirror). This is where both start to get confused (the part where Morrigan gets conflicted and tries to back out)... she was taught going against those emotions and he's never really cared for that kind of thing and hasn't considered it important. So on that level this confusion makes him feel even more close to her and despite his usually reasonable and calculating nature telling him to drop it, he can't much help himself... Bottom line - the relationship between them evolves through some shared interests and common feelings about certain things... other stuff is just my Warden having some preference for the type of woman that she largely fits in.

 

Now I realize I described probably lot more than you wanted, but there you go. Which brings me to question for other Morrigan romancers... How do you picture your Warden's progress in his relationship with Morrigan?

[Qun00]

I am curious. How do you romance Morrigan as a good person ? I mean she is not exactly very nice in game. She approves leaving the mages to their fate, approves killing Caridin and using the Anvil, approves sending the City Elves off with the magister and then proceed to ask the Warden for their sperm and leave them for 2 years.

So I am curious how one manages to play as a good Warden and romanced her without racking up too much disapproval points.

I will spare you Vlada's text wall and just say you should be grateful that in this game the companions only approve or disapprove of what they're there to see.

Don't take her with you for any of the main quests aside from possibly Broken Circle or the final battle, because she always goes for the evil choice.

Or just whenever you're planning to help someone.

[Miss Golightly]

Now I realize I described probably lot more than you wanted, but there you go. Which brings me to question for other Morrigan romancers... How do you picture your Warden's progress in his relationship with Morrigan?

 

My Warden came from a noble and privileged background. Born and raised as "the spare" in the Cousland family, he was never expected to take over Highever as teryn (though some said he would have been good at the job), and in some regards, he felt without an identity compared to his elder brother because of this. As such, he'd turned into a bit of a playboy (hence having a one night stand with Iona). I got the feeling from the origin story that his mother had been trying to marry him off for some time, but had been unsuccessful. 

Morrigan fascinated him from the very beginning. She was the most beautiful woman he had ever seen. She wasn't like the noble girls his mother had introduced him to so many times before, and he liked that. She was different, mysterious and dangerous, and she wasn't afraid to speak her mind and disagree with him. He really liked that. Originally, I believe he lusted after her and jumped into that cold tent as soon as the option presented itself. But after that he began to think about what he was doing and why, because he realized he had developed some small feelings for her after for a short time.

He looked beyond the icy exterior and saw a woman who was damaged goods, especially when she begins to open up to him about her past and her upbringing. He couldn't blame her for being the way she was  and having the views she did. He understood why she was apathetic about humanity. No one had ever been there for her and no one ever cared about her. She was taught that love and friendship are weakness and that it was a dog-eat-dog world out there. 

 

And then one day it hit him, shortly after their trip to the Deep Roads. Around the time when Morrigan made the joke about painting the shed and baking bread, he realized that his emotions ran deeper than he original believed. He'd become rather protective of her (often defending her when other party members made unkind comments about her). He enjoyed making her happy and went out of his way to do so. He wanted to be there for her, he wanted to show her the good, he wanted to be somebody she could always count on. That's why he went after Flemeth for her, he wanted to prove himself and he wanted to protect her.

When she begs him to break up with her, he couldn't do it, his need to be there for her was too strong. He'd fallen in love, and it was apparent that she felt the same.

 

And then there was the DR. When he saw her standing there in front of the fireplace, he wasn't sure what to think. When she told him what she'd wanted from him all along, it was like a sword in the heart. Though she assures him that what she felt for him was real and was not part of the plan, it didn't ease the pain at all. He almost rejected her and a part of him wanted her to leave... but he loved her too much and he needed her by his side for the final fight. So he accepted after pondering over it for some time.

 

Then when she leaves, all he can think about her chasing her to ends of the Earth. Throughout the Awakening expansion he often thinks about her and wonders where she is. He wonders if she's safe and he wonders if she thinks about him. He wonders about their child, he wonders if she had a boy or a girl, he wonders what she named him/her.

And then Witch Hunt happens and it was like ripping open old wounds. He was still hurt by her deception and her departure, but his need to find her and speak with her again was too great. Ultimately they go through the mirror together, and as soon as he got to the other side the Warden ran to hold his son for the first time. They lived together quietly in some small hamlet in northern Orlais where Morrigan could studied elven history in peace. They made regular trips to the Crossroads as well.

One day the Warden quietly complains about hearing some sort of ringing in his ears all the time, and Morrigan becomes ever anxious, knowing this to be the onset of the Calling. She focuses on finding a way to cure it, but as wise as she is, she cannot come up with a solution on her own. She finds a potential lead one night while leafing through a book by candlelight. This ultimately leads to their separation. The Warden travels west alone to follow this lead she found, and Morrigan sets her sights on the Imperial Court.

 

I like to think that my Warden became a better man because of Morrigan. He grew up because of her.

[Illegitimus]

I am curious. How do you romance Morrigan as a good person ? I mean she is not exactly very nice in game. She approves leaving the mages to their fate, approves killing Caridin and using the Anvil, approves sending the City Elves off with the magister and then proceed to ask the Warden for their sperm and leave them for 2 years.

 

So I am curious how one manages to play as a good Warden and romanced her without racking up too much disapproval points.

 

It's not that difficult to gain only moderate disapproval provided you leave her out of the places where you really shouldn't be taking her anyway.  Don't take her into a chantry.  Don't take her into the circle. Because really, that's just asking for trouble.  

[Vlada47]

I will spare you Vlada's text wall and just say you should be grateful that in this game the companions only approve or disapprove of what they're there to see.

Don't take her with you for any of the main quests aside from possibly Broken Circle or the final battle, because she always goes for the evil choice.

Or just whenever you're planning to help someone.

Yes, that will work if you don't want to get through all that philosophical crap I wrote here... I would add - when making conversation with her in the camp you can just avoid the absolute answers (like if you agree with her or not) for 0 disapproval when possible, that works for all companions.

 

Now... since I ended my thoughts somewhere in the middle of her romance, I can put up another wall of text with some more philosophical rubbish. 

 

Dark Ritual - kinda tough for my Warden to pick just one definitive reason for doing it. He was a little pissed, because Morrigan was going behind his back with some plan for him and he didn't discover it (he was pissed partially on himself for that) and somewhat torn that she will eventually leave him, regardless of his decision. He wouldn't force or even beg her to stay, because her independence was what attracted him in the first place and he wanted to respect whatever decision of her no matter how much damage it could cause him on the inside. Now the reasons for going through this ritual... first - he saw it as an opportunity to discover something potentially world changing (and even important to him as a Grey Warden) and that is just something his "adventurous mage" mind can't stay away from.    Second - it's probably his last chance to be with her for a little longer, perhaps also a chance to express their mutual feelings and his chance to say her goodbye (even if it hurts). Third - it's a good compromise for the situation - neither of remaining Wardens has to die and they still stop the Blight, it's just more effective solution. Now he's obviously not all "sunshine and butterflies" about it - he's partially conflicted because despite Morrigan's best ability to keep the soul safe, it may go to hell, so kinda takes a gamble there. He's also concerned about the child - what will happen to him? Will he suffer because of it? Despite this, he has enough fate with Morrigan to go through this.

 

After the ritual - he obviously feels some pain (that he has no experience with whatsoever), but he lets her go without any protests (again - he respects her wishes). He manages to push those feelings out of his head for some time, drowning himself in his Warden business (Awakening)... but eventually he starts to thinking of her again - where is she? Is she safe? How she manages to survive on her own being pregnant and therefore very vulnerable? All this time he keeps his cool appearance to others, but he's being more and more haunted by his thoughts. And even if he accepted her choice to go alone, he still feels responsible for her and their child's life.

 

Witch Hunt - this is when he basically goes "I have to find them or I won't have any peace." and sets off searching for any clues about Morrigan. When he finally finds her, it all kinda hits him in the face - he wants to question her, he wants to be sure the child is OK and... he wants to just hold her in his arms again. During their conversation he decide to go with Morrigan, knowing he will be forever torn if he can't be with her and their son. Now - he never thought of becoming a parent, he's never wanted to settle down somewhere, but now, having his own child, he just can't leave them alone. He also never thought of having anyone special in his life, he always had at least some people he valued and respected, but he never had someone truly special to him... now he has and he wouldn't give her up.

 

So basically to me the whole romance arc for my Warden and Morrigan was about discovering their sides, which they didn't know about. They both discovered something that brings them both joy and pain they never thought about and they both grew their personalities for the better because of it. 

[SwobyJ]

I am curious. How do you romance Morrigan as a good person ? I mean she is not exactly very nice in game. She approves leaving the mages to their fate, approves killing Caridin and using the Anvil, approves sending the City Elves off with the magister and then proceed to ask the Warden for their sperm and leave them for 2 years.

 

So I am curious how one manages to play as a good Warden and romanced her without racking up too much disapproval points.

 

We don't always fall in love with those that are like us.

 

When I'm sympathetic and push through with it, and emphasize the moments she puts down her front, it works. Very well.

 

Okay, I haven't actually romanced her, but I've gotten her to high approval as a friend.

 

I also don't bring her around too much = not many disapproval.

[BurningLizard]

I am curious. How do you romance Morrigan as a good person ? I mean she is not exactly very nice in game. She approves leaving the mages to their fate, approves killing Caridin and using the Anvil, approves sending the City Elves off with the magister and then proceed to ask the Warden for their sperm and leave them for 2 years.

 

So I am curious how one manages to play as a good Warden and romanced her without racking up too much disapproval points.

The answer is bling. She likes the shiny, give her gifts. Many, many gifts.

 

And I've headcanoned that to not be completely superficial, since when you give her the mirror she mentions never having been given a gift (which by that point is a dirty lie, if the dozens of necklaces and rings in her pack have anything to say about it, but that's gameplay limitations). In my head this plays out as more of a "It's the thought that counts", so for her the fact that someone is willing to give her a gift without wanting anything in return means as much if not more as the actual gift. The gifts are just a sign of how much the warden cares.

 

My warden's relationship with her is based on him being in a dark place when they first meet. So when she talks about luring Templars to their deaths, or being generally unpleasant he's not so averse to that, since his mind is pretty full of wanting to brutally murder Howe. Over time he lightens up, becomes more like his original personality, and by this point he's friendly enough with Morrigan that he's starting to see under her shell. To him a lot of her unpleasant personality comes down to how she was raised. He thinks that Morrigan would not be nearly as unpleasant around others if it weren't for Flemeth. He sees her as being strangely innocent, since all she knows is dark and unpleasant things, she's never been exposed to the good in humanity. So it's less that she's made a choice to be evil, but rather that it's all she's ever known. He thinks that maybe if she sees differing viewpoints she might make an actual decision about who she wants to be.

 

By this point Morrigan is fond enough of him that she disapproves of his more noble actions, but she's in the middle of her inner turmoil as she's finding herself falling in love with the Warden while also reconsidering what she learned from Flemeth. So maybe she disapproves, but she knows the Warden is an important person to her despite the fact that they are disagreeing on certain things. So it's less serious disapproval and more bemused disapproval. She knows she should be more annoyed at him for his actions, but she can't find it in herself to do so. Granted, this is all headcanon as opposed to gameplay mechanics. As everyone else has said, don't bring her if she's going to disapprove. And bling. Lots of bling.

 

So while it would be easier to play a dark warden romancing Morrigan, I like romancing her with a good warden because there's more potential for character growth as she's going exposed to differing viewpoints from someone she's come to respect and eventually fall in love with. Ultimately I think that path is better for her, since at least now she has a chance to chose between her mother's teachings or the goodness that does exist in the world. I like to think she falls somewhere in the middle. Aware that darkness exists, but also aware that as foolish as most people are, there are a few good ones around.

 

Also, Trespasser spoiler:

 

Spoiler

Apparently if you romance Leliana and she's made Divine, she mentions that the Warden comes to visit her. I can't confirm this since I always romance Morrigan. Anyone else have any confirmation of this? Could it possibly mean that the Warden has returned to all of the LIs?

[Miss Golightly]

 

Also, Trespasser spoiler:

 

Spoiler

Apparently if you romance Leliana and she's made Divine, she mentions that the Warden comes to visit her. I can't confirm this since I always romance Morrigan. Anyone else have any confirmation of this? Could it possibly mean that the Warden has returned to all of the LIs?

 

From what I understand.

Spoiler

Someone on the forums said something about the epilogue mentioning that Leliana and the Warden reunite whether she is Divine or not. Can't say anything about in-game comments though.

Warden is with Morrigan and that's how it has been in all of my DAI world states thus far. Cassandra is Divine in my current DA universe as well.
But I do find this interesting. I feel like they're trying to gradually write the HoF off into the sunset. But those of us who have the HoF with Morrigan may be waiting a while for the white picket fence epilogue. I think Morrigan will be around until the end of the series. After Trespasser, I strongly believe she'll be in DA4.

[BurningLizard]

From what I understand.

Spoiler

Someone on the forums said something about the epilogue mentioning that Leliana and the Warden reunite whether she is Divine or not. Can't say anything about in-game comments though.

Warden is with Morrigan and that's how it has been in all of my DAI world states thus far. Cassandra is Divine in my current DA universe as well.
But I do find this interesting. I feel like they're trying to gradually write the HoF off into the sunset. But those of us who have the HoF with Morrigan may be waiting a while for the white picket fence epilogue. I think Morrigan will be around until the end of the series. After Trespasser, I strongly believe she'll be in DA4.

Spoiler

On the one hand I'd like to see Morrigan in the future. On the other hand I really want her and the HoF to reunite. And I get the feeling that if she plays a major story role in DA4 I'm afraid that won't happen. Then again, I suppose what they COULD do is have her play a big role in the story, and not have Kieran present and get around that by saying something along the lines of, "Kieran is with his father." While Morrigan deals with whatever plot is going on. Though if they go the route of a Morrigan who drank the WoS I have a hard time imagining an off screen HoF not barging in to beat up Solas if he has Morrigan under his control.

[Qun00]

There is just one thing I don't understand about Kieran. Since you can't make him look like the Warden, the logical thing to do would be to have him take after Morrigan in every way.

So why give him an unique trait like the brown hair? I'm not asking whether it is biologically possible, but what might have motivated this decision concerning his design.

[Miss Golightly]

Spoiler

On the one hand I'd like to see Morrigan in the future. On the other hand I really want her and the HoF to reunite. And I get the feeling that if she plays a major story role in DA4 I'm afraid that won't happen. Then again, I suppose what they COULD do is have her play a big role in the story, and not have Kieran present and get around that by saying something along the lines of, "Kieran is with his father." While Morrigan deals with whatever plot is going on. Though if they go the route of a Morrigan who drank the WoS I have a hard time imagining an off screen HoF not barging in to beat up Solas if he has Morrigan under his control.

Spoiler

After DAI, I was kind of on the fence about whether or not she'll show up in DA4. But now it's like.... yeah, she won't miss out on this. Dread Wolf is real and he's going to restore the old elven world by destroying the one we all currently know. For all we know, seeing as she's Flemeth's daughter (if she's her biological daughter, that's still kind of up in the air), she may very well end up being one of the only people who can help the PC oppose Solas.

I have this feeling that they're just going to generalize the WoS. It makes more sense for Morrigan's arc to have her drink from the WoS (though I felt she was really out of character in that moment, and I head canon that it was Flemythal messing with her mind)

I also agree that I think they'll just write Kieran out. But they may surprise us, who knows?

 

 

There is just one thing I don't understand about Kieran. Since you can't make him look like the Warden, the logical thing to do would be to have him take after Morrigan in every way.

So why give him an unique trait like the brown hair? I'm not asking whether it is biologically possible, but what might have motivated this decision concerning his design.

 

I didn't get that either, especially considering three different characters can potentially be Kieran's father. I figured they would have had him look a little more like Morrigan, or they would have kind of done what they did in DA2 with Hawke's family. That may have come down to Bioware just running out of time to do that though. Also, the game was cross-gen on consoles, so there wasn't a straightforward way to import your HoF's appearance and have it reflected in Kieran if you were going from PS3 to PS4 or 360 to PS4 or what-have-you. 

When it comes to my HoF, I think Kieran is a good fit to be his son. I think Kieran looks like Oren (Cousland's nephew).

 

Though I was expecting him to have black hair and golden eyes like his mum. He does have dull golden eyes, but that's where the similarities stop.

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My Daylen Amell had blue eyes and dark brown hair.  So it kind of fit.  

 

I think he favors his mom though, which was the best way to go since he could have had a dwarf/elf or one of three very different looking human dads.