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[Miss Golightly]

It occurs to me that the Dark Ritual creates a dangerous precedent.

If the Grey Wardens ever decided to explain why only they can slay the archdemon and end the Blight, anyone could easily question that claim by mentioning that the HoF still is alive and kickin'.

 

I thought about that the first time I encountered the DR. I was like "wait... won't people ask questions as to how both Wardens survived this? Will the Grey Wardens bring me in for questioning after this is over if I accept?"

 

 

 

I have tried TWICE to recreate my warden in the frostbite engine. I've never managed to get one I like. The bloody cheekbones...

 

Anyway, mine looks a bit like what you described yours like, and he's actually my icon here so yeah.

 

To get around the hair thing I decided that it would be amusing if by the time of Inquisition he started going bald, and instead decided to shave his head completely. So in my second attempt to create him I tried going for bald/very short hair. It sorta worked. But I want my regular hair back dangit!

 

Yeah, mine looks a bit like your avatar there, BurningLizard. It's the hair that keeps screwing me up. I think I'd be pretty close if I could have my hair! Might just do what you did and say "he started going bald, Morrigan made fun of him, so one day he just shaved it off.... and then she made fun of him some more, even though he looked a lot better."

 

Pulled this off of the DA Keep. 

That's my dude. I can see Kieran being his son, definitely. Now I want to play DAO again.... I miss this guy!

[BurningLizard]

I thought about that the first time I encountered the DR. I was like "wait... won't people ask questions as to how both Wardens survived this? Will the Grey Wardens bring me in for questioning after this is over if I accept?"

 

 

 

 

Yeah, mine looks a bit like your avatar there, BurningLizard. It's the hair that keeps screwing me up. I think I'd be pretty close if I could have my hair! Might just do what you did and say "he started going bald, Morrigan made fun of him, so one day he just shaved it off.... and then she made fun of him some more, even though he looked a lot better."

 

Pulled this off of the DA Keep. 

That's my dude. I can see Kieran being his son, definitely. Now I want to play DAO again.... I miss this guy!

My thing is I can't seem to get the face shape right in Inquisition. I mostly go for squared longish face (at least that's how it's meant to be in my head) and I can never seem to pull that off again. 

 

And now I'm tempted to go and try again... This can only end in madness. 

[sylvanaerie]

My guys look a lot like Tyrone Power, and my Daylen had modded hair that looked kind of like Vigo Mortesen's (sp) in LotR.  Since I tried with my William Hawke for one of my playthroughs, and didn't even come close, I'm figuring I'd fail with Daylen too.  I'm content that Kieran looks similar enough to my mind with some years between me and Origins to be his son.  

 

As to your warden, Miss G.  I could see the family resemblance there too.  You guys are actually making me miss my warden but reinstalling the game would be a big mess considering my HD is almost full with what I already have on it.

[Mr Plow]

My Cousland had flame red hair....Morrigan with hair as black as the night....yet Kieran had brown hair

 

 

Methinks my Witch may have been getting wild elsewhere 

[Illegitimus]

My Cousland had flame red hair....Morrigan with hair as black as the night....yet Kieran had brown hair

 

 

Methinks my Witch may have been getting wild elsewhere 

 

Doesn't seem to me that would be an unlikely result.  

[Kukuru]

Wondering about the Well of Sorrows...

 

Inquisition BIG spoilers:

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We don't know what will come to it in a future, but let's say that there's a Hawke/Warden situation again related to it, who would you save: Inquisitor or Morrigan?

 

In my case since i didn't feel attached to my Inquisitor at all, i'd save Morrigan for sure. Also she is my Warden's sister.

[Miss Golightly]

Wondering about the Well of Sorrows...

 

Inquisition BIG spoilers:

Spoiler

We don't know what will come to it in a future, but let's say that there's a Hawke/Warden situation again related to it, who would you save: Inquisitor or Morrigan?

 

In my case since i didn't feel attached to my Inquisitor at all, i'd save Morrigan for sure. Also she is my Warden's sister.

 

 

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I really don't know if there will be another Hawke/Stroud/Alistair choice. Bioware doesn't like recycling choices like that. I think if Hawke stayed behind he/she may still be alive (keeping in mind what Flemeth says DA2 about Hawke not being afraid to jump into the abyss when the moment arises), but perhaps that's just wishful thinking. Anywaaaaaaaay....

 

I'm not gonna lie, I'm just not that invested in my Inquisitor... so I would have Eliza bit the bullet if only because I don't feel like the Inquisitor is as good of a character as Morrigan. Morrigan is one of the best characters in the series because of the amount of depth she has.

 

I'm leaning towards Morrigan playing an important role in stopping Solas. I'm wondering if everything Flemeth has put Morrigan through has just been a big test to see if she's fit to be the new host of Mythal's essence.

[sylvanaerie]

Wondering about the Well of Sorrows...

 

Inquisition BIG spoilers:

Spoiler

We don't know what will come to it in a future, but let's say that there's a Hawke/Warden situation again related to it, who would you save: Inquisitor or Morrigan?

 

In my case since i didn't feel attached to my Inquisitor at all, i'd save Morrigan for sure. Also she is my Warden's sister.

 

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My Inquisitor. *Edit* I mean I'd sacrifice my Inquisitor.  I like Arianni, my Dalish mage who is shaping up to be my canon, but I'm far more attached to Morrigan.  Besides, Morrigan is a mom in my game and kids trump single adults every time for me.

[Qun00]

Speaking of the Well,

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Do you guys think there was any greed involved as Solas claims, or was Morrigan's desire to get it solely motivated by her passion for ancient and lost magic?

[Illegitimus]

Speaking of the Well,

Spoiler

Do you guys think there was any greed involved as Solas claims, or was Morrigan's desire to get it solely motivated by her passion for ancient and lost magic?

 

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Uh what?  That's precisely what he referred to as "greed".

[BurningLizard]

Speaking of the Well,

Spoiler

Do you guys think there was any greed involved as Solas claims, or was Morrigan's desire to get it solely motivated by her passion for ancient and lost magic?

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I dunno, it's possible. But frankly I've always felt that the other characters' views of Morrigan paint her as a much more negative character than she actually is if you get to know her. She's not the nicest person around, but people's reactions to her make her seem worse. I think it's more that Solas is seeing a human laying claim to his people's heritage, so he'd understandably be upset about that and paint her in as negative a light as possible. He wouldn't really care about her motivations, the fact that she wants it would be bad enough.

 

Also, in regards to Kieran's brown hair if your warden doesn't have brown hair. Children don't automatically get one of their parents' hair colors. Sure it's very common for children to have similar hair color. But if both the Warden and Morrigan have recessive genes for brown hair that could end with a child that has brown hair when they don't. Also, with a Cousland having a hair color other than brown, we know that Fergus has brown/brownish dark hair, so a Cousland very likely has genes for brown hair in them somewhere.  

[diaspora2k5]

The problem I always had with the dark ritual and why I usually recruit loghain so I can get him to kill the Archdemon is that there's nothing clear to gain by letting Urthemiel's soul/spirit live. If we kill the Old God, the Blight ends and it doesn't seem clear that we lose anything, saving the soul/spirit opens the possibility of Urthemiel's return and potentially getting Blighted again.

[Qun00]

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I dunno, it's possible. But frankly I've always felt that the other characters' views of Morrigan paint her as a much more negative character than she actually is if you get to know her. She's not the nicest person around, but people's reactions to her make her seem worse. I think it's more that Solas is seeing a human laying claim to his people's heritage, so he'd understandably be upset about that and paint her in as negative a light as possible. He wouldn't really care about her motivations, the fact that she wants it would be bad enough.

Also, in regards to Kieran's brown hair if your warden doesn't have brown hair. Children don't automatically get one of their parents' hair colors. Sure it's very common for children to have similar hair color. But if both the Warden and Morrigan have recessive genes for brown hair that could end with a child that has brown hair when they don't. Also, with a Cousland having a hair color other than brown, we know that Fergus has brown/brownish dark hair, so a Cousland very likely has genes for brown hair in them somewhere.

I'm not sure about Morrigan having any recessive genes to pass on. Did she ever have such a thing as grandparents or great grandparents?

But the Warden, sure, that's a given.

[Kukuru]

Black + red = brown. There, you have it XD

 

Even if the Warden is not a Cousland i think it's possible, who knows what haircolor had his ancestors. Same happens with eye color, if you have a grandparent with green eyes there's a possibility that one of your sons would inherit them, even if both parents have brown eyes.

 

 

Speaking of the Well,

Spoiler

Do you guys think there was any greed involved as Solas claims, or was Morrigan's desire to get it solely motivated by her passion for ancient and lost magic?

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I guess a bit of both. Morrigan is not that evil as some characters claim to be. I see her like a tsundere type, hiding her true emotions and creating a facade to avoid getting hurt.

Perhaps there was something else on her stubbornness to drink from it but she never told. After all she rarely tells everything she knows about a subject.

[Qun00]

While it is technically possible for the joining of a couple to produce unexpected results, I still find it more satisfying to play a brown haired Warden.

As for Morrigan, you're right. Deep down she is a good person.

Of course, her lack of compassion in Origins can be shocking sometimes, but this is the result of being raised by Flemeth.

Survival of the fittest, the cynical view of love, the pursuit of preserving old powers, etc. Morrigan truly was shaped by her mother, more so than she knows.

[Qun00]

While it is technically possible for the joining of a couple to produce unexpected results, I still find it more satisfying to play a brown haired Warden.

As for Morrigan, you're right. Deep down she is a good person.

Of course, her lack of compassion in Origins can be shocking sometimes, but this is the result of being raised by Flemeth.

Survival of the fittest, the cynical view of love, the pursuit of preserving old powers, etc. Morrigan truly was shaped by her mother, more so than she knows.

[line_genrou]

my warden has brown hair lol

though he has blue eyes and I wanted Kieran to have his eyes

[Illegitimus]

The problem I always had with the dark ritual and why I usually recruit loghain so I can get him to kill the Archdemon is that there's nothing clear to gain by letting Urthemiel's soul/spirit live. If we kill the Old God, the Blight ends and it doesn't seem clear that we lose anything, saving the soul/spirit opens the possibility of Urthemiel's return and potentially getting Blighted again.

 

Have you ever asked yourself, "What happens when the last Old God dies?".  What do the darkspawn do then?  Will they just conveniently evaporate?  

[BurningLizard]

I'm not sure about Morrigan having any recessive genes to pass on. Did she ever have such a thing as grandparents or great grandparents?

But the Warden, sure, that's a given.

Why wouldn't she? Unless you're suggesting that she was somehow created in a way other than the normal way? Which is always possible with Flemeth. Still, Flemeth's physical body would have parents and grandparents of her own, they'd just be WAY in the past. And if the most likely origin of Morrigan's father, if she has one, is a random Chasind then Morrigan would have grandparents and great grandparents, she just wouldn't know anything about them.

 

While it is technically possible for the joining of a couple to produce unexpected results, I still find it more satisfying to play a brown haired Warden.

As for Morrigan, you're right. Deep down she is a good person.

Of course, her lack of compassion in Origins can be shocking sometimes, but this is the result of being raised by Flemeth.

Survival of the fittest, the cynical view of love, the pursuit of preserving old powers, etc. Morrigan truly was shaped by her mother, more so than she knows.

Agreed. My wardens were always brown haired before Inquisition. But knowing what Kieran looks like makes playing brown haired wardens a bit more satisfying.

 

I remember reading that Flemeth's voice actress basically said that Morrigan is innocent. Which most would think strange, considering she approves of all the choices she approves of are evil choices. But really it makes sense when you consider that innocence can be applied to someone making decisions for which they do not know all the factors. Basically Morrigan approves of evil choices, but she's never known good having been raised by Flemeth. So she is just going with what she knows, as opposed to making an active decision.

 

In Inquisition we see how she changes if exposed to the Warden and Kieran's love for her, and her love for them. She's still prickly, but overall has become a better person. Less innocent because now she knows more than what her mother taught her, but overall a significantly better person. 

 

Have you ever asked yourself, "What happens when the last Old God dies?".  What do the darkspawn do then?  Will they just conveniently evaporate?  

Like the Chitauri at the end of Avengers. Clearly they'll just cease to function. XD

 

Though personally I think a more likely outcome, if all the Archdemons are destroyed, is that the darkspawn will suddenly find themselves without a goal, and will then turn their attention towards the surface world in earnest. Think about it, the only time they really come to the surface in force is during a blight. The rest of the time they are digging for the Old Gods. So what would happen if they no longer hear the call of the Old Gods and are left to do what they do? Complete chaos with no way of stopping it beyond killing every last darkspawn. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if somehow saving the OG soul with the DR turns out to be the way to end blights forever. 

[Qun00]

Have you ever asked yourself, "What happens when the last Old God dies?". What do the darkspawn do then? Will they just conveniently evaporate?

Spoiler

Solas smugly hints at that.

" Solas: The Wardens see themselves as the world's defense against the Blight, do they not?

Blackwall: Yes... why do you sound so skeptical? Doesn't everyone know this?

Solas: When an Archdemon rises, they slay it. What will they do when all the Archdemons are slain?

Blackwall: Retire?

Solas: Without Archdemons, there can be no Blights. Is that the reasoning?

Blackwall: Right. Where are you going with this?

Solas: Nowhere. I hope they are correct."

[springacres]

Though personally I think a more likely outcome, if all the Archdemons are destroyed, is that the darkspawn will suddenly find themselves without a goal, and will then turn their attention towards the surface world in earnest. Think about it, the only time they really come to the surface in force is during a blight. The rest of the time they are digging for the Old Gods. So what would happen if they no longer hear the call of the Old Gods and are left to do what they do? Complete chaos with no way of stopping it beyond killing every last darkspawn.

...And I just popped in here, saw this and got this mental image of every darkspawn in Thedas turning into a mindless version of the Mother from Awakening.  *shudders*

Modifié par springacres, 21 septembre 2015 - 06:59 .

[Kukuru]

There's also the small possibility that when all Archdemons are dead the darkspawn will get consciousness like the Architect's followers.

 

Ah, can't wait to know how all this story will end.

[Qun00]

Regardless, the Grey Wardens shouldn't be criticised when there is no better alternative. The world has survived thanks to them and that's enough.

[Illegitimus]

Regardless, the Grey Wardens shouldn't be criticised when there is no better alternative. The world has survived thanks to them and that's enough.

 

It's not about criticizing them in this thread.  It's about pointing out that there is a reason for thinking the Dark Ritual might be a better alternative than Warden-Anti-Warden annihilation.  

[Qun00]

I was rather referring to the characters who talk **** about the Wardens.

Are you proposing a long tradition of sealing Old God souls into newborn babies? Well... that would be more controversial than the Joining.

Besides, the DR cannot prevent or end a Blight. The only contribution I can see in that sense is that it may stop whatever issue there is with killing all Old Gods.