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[Brockololly]

tom2504 wrote...

Absolutely agree with the above posters, an entire story isn't necessary to satisfy our shameless Morrigan-fan needs but perhaps a semi-long side-quest to give us closure (as someone stated)!

Right- As much as I like Morrigan as a character, I have no lillusions that the entirety of the next game would be all about Morrigan. WHat I'm expecting/hoping would be a decent length side quest to either find Morrigan or deal with her and the possible Old God baby thing. In my ideal DA2, it would be one of the hub type levels, like Redcliffe or the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Again though I'm prepared to be disappointed- I just hope we don't get the Awakening romance treatment where the only shout out to romances (besides Alistair fangirls) was a single epilogue slide that, in the case of Morrigan romancers, may or may not even trigger properly.

[Brockololly]

Axekix wrote...

Yeah, that's how I feel as well.  I don't mind taking the story in new directions, and I can see several advantages of starting DA2 with a clean slate, but I'd feel a bit dejected if the Morrigan storyline winds up being a dead end.  Considering how much potential there is in it, I had always assumed it would naturally be a big part of the DA story to come.

Oh well, all we can do is hope.

Yeah, if the whole Morrigan storyline gets swept aside or marginalized I'd be very disappointed. The main reason I'm hoping for more Morrigan is the way things end in Origins- you get the whole "One cannot help but wonder, however: What became of the child? What were Morrigan's plans? These questions must remain a mystery... for now."

I mean come on, if Bioware doesn't at least try to answer the above questions (hopefully with the Warden) thats just plain old mean. Its like you get to that part in the game and as I'm reading those questions I 'm thinking " Yes! What did become of the child? Yes! What were Morrigan's plans?" so to have that aspect chopped down in DA2 or whatever comes in the future would be a karate chop to the neck, IMO. Hopefully those are in there as a hint we'll get some resolution to those questions in DA2, but only time will tell.

It would be a bit like KOTOR2 ( I know its not a Bioware game...)- you get this big mystery on what happened to Revan and its never explained  in the game. But you're thinking "Oh well KOTOR3 will wrap up the Exile and Revan's story of course!" Fast forward a couple years and we get " Oh there is no KOTOR3, The Old Republic IS KOTOR 3,4,5,6,7,8 and it takes place a couple hundred years after KOTOR2!" Admitedly, thats just a worst case scenario for me, but we've got nothing to go on at the moment.

So yeah, if DA takes the KOTOR approach, I will be dissapoint

Modifié par Brockololly, 10 mai 2010 - 10:23 .

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Axekix wrote...

Yeah, that's how I feel as well.  I don't mind taking the story in new directions, and I can see several advantages of starting DA2 with a clean slate, but I'd feel a bit dejected if the Morrigan storyline winds up being a dead end.  Considering how much potential there is in it, I had always assumed it would naturally be a big part of the DA story to come.

Oh well, all we can do is hope.

Yeah, if the whole Morrigan storyline gets swept aside or marginalized I'd be very disappointed. The main reason I'm hoping for more Morrigan is the way things end in Origins- you get the whole "One cannot help but wonder, however: What became of the child? What were Morrigan's plans? These questions must remain a mystery... for now."

I mean come on, if Bioware doesn't at least try to answer the above questions (hopefully with the Warden) thats just plain old mean. Its like you get to that part in the game and as I'm reading those questions I 'm thinking " Yes! What did become of the child? Yes! What were Morrigan's plans?" so to have that aspect chopped down in DA2 or whatever comes in the future would be a karate chop to the neck, IMO. Hopefully those are in there as a hint we'll get some resolution to those questions in DA2, but only time will tell.

It would be a bit like KOTOR2 ( I know its not a Bioware game...)- you get this big mystery on what happened to Revan and its never explained  in the game. But you're thinking "Oh well KOTOR3 will wrap up the Exile and Revan's story of course!" Fast forward a couple years and we get " Oh there is no KOTOR3, The Old Republic IS KOTOR 3,4,5,6,7,8 and it takes place a couple hundred years after KOTOR2!" Admitedly, thats just a worst case scenario for me, but we've got nothing to go on at the moment.

So yeah, if DA takes the KOTOR approach, I will be dissapoint

That's my biggest fear as well.

I can understand if they want to move the story forward and choose to ignore Morrigan and dark ritual while doing so, but this leaves me wondering about some things.

1) Why bother saying that her story isn't over?

2) Why give every imported Warden in Awakening a "this isn't the last we've seen of him/her" line if you never plan to use him/her again?
Why not simply make an ending that clearly says the story is over?

If we Morri fans have high expectations regarding our Warden and Morrigan in DA2, it's simply because we've been led to believe they'll show up again.

I would be happier had Bioware simply said "Sorry folks. It's a tragic romance and you'll never be reunited". I could live with that. This however feels like someone's been giving me hope only to suddenly change his mind.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 10 mai 2010 - 10:33 .

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

If we Morri fans have high expectations regarding our Warden and Morrigan in DA2, it's simply because we've been led to believe they'll show up again.

I would be happier had Bioware simply said "Sorry folks. It's a tragic romance and you'll never be reunited". I could live with that. This however feels like someone's been giving me hope only to suddenly change his mind.

Right on- I'd much prefer a big THE END at the close of the game than be led on to hope for continuation with the hints dropped in the epilogue slides.

But hopefully Bioware knows they've got a good thing going with Morrigan and the Wardens and we'll see some continuation. One can hope, right?

Well, EA has their quarterly earnings conference call tomorrow, so maybe we'll hear something about the 2/1/2011 title then. That is after al l where we learned about it in the 1st place...

Modifié par Brockololly, 10 mai 2010 - 10:56 .

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...

tom2504 wrote...

Absolutely agree with the above posters, an entire story isn't necessary to satisfy our shameless Morrigan-fan needs but perhaps a semi-long side-quest to give us closure (as someone stated)!

Right- As much as I like Morrigan as a character, I have no lillusions that the entirety of the next game would be all about Morrigan. WHat I'm expecting/hoping would be a decent length side quest to either find Morrigan or deal with her and the possible Old God baby thing. In my ideal DA2, it would be one of the hub type levels, like Redcliffe or the Urn of Sacred Ashes. Again though I'm prepared to be disappointed- I just hope we don't get the Awakening romance treatment where the only shout out to romances (besides Alistair fangirls) was a single epilogue slide that, in the case of Morrigan romancers, may or may not even trigger properly.

Heh, I didn't get that at all from Gaider. I got more of a 'It could go either way, (Duncan Voice initiated) You'll See.)

But yes, I don't think anyone was saying the DR would be the entire story of DA2. Like you said, I expect that if it makes it, it's a important yet not overriding part of the metaplot. Since Bioware likes to work in the 4+1 method, I could see Morrigan's Romance being a very nice hub as you said.

It is funny though, I don't think it would work now, but at the end of the game or Awakenings a simple line of the two characters reuniting probably would have done enough to put it all to rest. Now it's getting almost mythical in theories and desires, and I think it's because just how strongly it resonates with some classical Greek tragedy. You can easily imagine your Warden in Odysseus' place losing years and having countless adventures, all the while never staying put for more than a little time, trying to get 'home'. It's a hell of a plot hook, damn you Gaider!

[Brockololly]

Swoo wrote...

It is funny though, I don't think it would work now, but at the end of the game or Awakenings a simple line of the two characters reuniting probably would have done enough to put it all to rest. Now it's getting almost mythical in theories and desires, and I think it's because just how strongly it resonates with some classical Greek tragedy. You can easily imagine your Warden in Odysseus' place losing years and having countless adventures, all the while never staying put for more than a little time, trying to get 'home'. It's a hell of a plot hook, damn you Gaider!

I know, right? It just seems to me that if Bioware wanted to move on to a new story with a new hero for DA2, all they would have needed to do was cut back on some of the more speculative epilogue slides and cap it off with some finality or a THE END.

But as it is, the epilogue slides just beg for conclusion in another game. If thats their intent and Bioware is going to follow through with those, then bravo Bioware because you've kept me hooked. But if they're just throwaway lines they put in there to keep people interested but have no intention of following through on, then boo Bioware.

Its just the matter of silence feeding possible unreasonable expectations. Its not unlike the disappointment surrounding the whole "epic" countdown timer for the Bioware Bazarre a little while ago. All we had was this mysterious timer promising something epic and of course people think its some awesome game announcement or something. Then when its revealed, people were either outraged because they were excluded or just kind of underwhelmed over the whole thing.

Now we've got this mysterious bloody dragon card in Awakening with just the date "2/1/2011" on it and of course people are forging all sorts of ideas as to what it might mean. I'd think its safe to say its another DA game, but again, in the silence from Bioware people come up with crazy expectations and get used to them so when the time comes, its fair to say a good chunk of people will likely be disappointed. But I guess thats a marketing thing more than anything else.

[elemme]

Ok, So someone explain to me why Gaider posted at all. At first glance he is saying that the people on this thread need to be prepared to be unhappy with how Morrigan is handled or not handled in the next game. The problem is he made sure to hedge. Surely at this point in time the storyline for the next game is blocked out.

[Brockololly]

elemme wrote...

Ok, So someone explain to me why Gaider posted at all. At first glance he is saying that the people on this thread need to be prepared to be unhappy with how Morrigan is handled or not handled in the next game. The problem is he made sure to hedge. Surely at this point in time the storyline for the next game is blocked out.

I appreciate that devs like Gaider post at all on the forums- they don't need to, as Gaider is the lead writer, not a customer service rep or anything. I think he is just trying to temper expectations a bit- obviously as Morrigan fans, we might have a certain ideal view of things for DA2, yet inevitably the reality will be different than what we hope to get, for better or worse.

As to what he posted, I think its just the nature of the beast- he can only say so much about DA2 or whatever project he is currently working on before the project is officially announced. As of yet, the only thing we know about a future DA game is that EA announced a TBA Dragon Age Title back on their last quarterly earnings report and then the 2/1/2011 card we got with Awakening. Thats it. So until the Bioware/EA marketing people formally announce whatever the next DA game is, Gaider and the rest of the devs can't confirm or deny anything. At least thats my take on the maybe/maybe not speak you often see from the devs.

Obviously Gaider and the devs know what route they are currently taking  (or at least I hope they do) but we have just got to wait it out until the official announcement is made and we've got some substantiative info to discuss regarding DA2 or whatever.

Modifié par Brockololly, 11 mai 2010 - 03:39 .

[Master Shiori]

Right, after a good nights sleep I reread mr Gaider's posts again and 2 things seem to stand out:

David Gaider wrote...
If someone really wants to declare that they couldn't possibly enjoy another Dragon Age title unless it continues the story from DAO, complete with their character and romance(s) and every possible permutation of Origins accounted for

This, at least to me, seems to indicate that we're not going to continue as our Warden in DA2.
It doesn't however mean that there's no chance of running into Morrigan again with a new character. If we'rel lucky she just might turn out to be a recruitable companion again.

David Gaider wrote...
Naturally leaving plot threads dangling is not the best way to go, in my opinion, but it should also be realized that the point of a new story should not and could not be solely to resolve dangling plot threads. As enticing as those may be, they're a tool we have available to use in the future in order to make a better story -- the commitment I'm seeing to them is certainly complementary (it's nice to see that fans care that much) but whenever we're discussing any element of Origin's story you need to realize that it's only part of the story... and that for many fans it may not even be a big part of it.

In the end, we recognize that it's there and people will want to see more. I can't really say more than that.

Pretty much confirm that Morrigan and Dark Ritual cannot be the focus of an entire game, since not everyone would be happy with that. However, it does reveal that Bioware is aware of Morrigan's popularity and that her story might get resolved in some other way.

I'd like to thank mr Gaider for taking the time to share his thoughts with us and aoplogize if anything that I posted yesterday came off as rude.

It would appear that a lot of things about DA2 are still unknown. We can probably forget about importing our old Wardens but Morrigan might make an appearance. If she does it'll be interesting to see how our new character is going interact with her.
My hope is she'd be a companion and a potential romance like in Origins.

I also appears we might see some resolution to her romance, but we don't know when or in what way.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 11 mai 2010 - 07:40 .

[Axekix]

Master Shiori wrote...

It would appear that a lot of things about DA2 are still unknown. We can probably forget about importing our old Wardens but Morrigan might make an appearance. If she does it'll be interesting to see how our new character is going interact with her.
My hope is she'd be a companion and a potential romance like in Origins.

I also appears we might see some resolution to her romance, but we don't know when or in what way.

Erm, I don't think I'd want her to be a romance option if we're playing new wardens.  That would just seem... odd... like stealing your own girlfriend or something. 

I do hope we get some resolution to the DR however.  I want answers!  Why did she have to leave?  What is she planning to do?  Why all the secrets?  How does Flemeth tie into all of this? 

Please don't leave us hanging Bioware!

Modifié par Axekix, 11 mai 2010 - 07:53 .

[bl00dsh0t]

Yeah I would expect that whatever path they are taking is already set in stone, at least as long as what we are all talking about is the title in 2011. If not what is awaiting us is a large crap sandwich ;D

They did shortly after the release or even a bit before already talk about "making dragon age 2 look sexy" so the main engine work is probably done by now and they are in the later stages of actually making the levels and quests. Thus they really should be very certain of what lokales we visit and what the actual goal of the game is, and most probably most of it is already in alpha state, i.e. mostly done just bugridden as hell

Either way what we do have to accept to a large extent is that most characters from origins due to the fact that you can kill them off cannot be the staple crew for the continuation. The story is to such a large degree moved forward by the companions in origins that new ones will be needed to tell a new story.
I would expect that the majority of the old cast will only appear as npc's if at all, still we morrigan loving wackos at least have unresovled plot points to cover while the zev, ali and leli crew do not to the same extent have open threads of story tied in to the world anymore. Well alistair being the exception with often becoming the king of course, but still for those that deliberately chose anora as the ruler in order to free up alistair for potential sequells i fear it is not boding well

So my new (or actually kinda old) prediction is that dao2 will be a story that can stand alone with the possebility of starting a new character from scratch without requiring knowledge of the story in origins. This does not mean that there won't be references to what happened in origins, it just has to be removed far enough that those that did not play the original game are not punished, but those that did get rewarded with bits of information and cameos.

I think that awakening should be a sign of what possebilities there are for continuity. If they had implemented awakening the way they intended with letters from zev/leli and a lot less bugs I think it would have made an excellent standalone module with references to origins but a whole new story to tell (minus the new conversation system ofc xD).
In a larger scale game the references back can be made in more significant ways of course, so I don't think we need to feel too shafted, but expecting even morrigan as a party member is something i fear will only lead to dissapointment. More likely that she becomes a significant character in the plot, ogb or court of orlais wise, and we get the chance to either help or harm her at some point in the game.

Ahh well, although its not exactly what I want the most I don't think I would mind it much if implemented well and without completely ignoring origins. There shallt only be nerdrage if a new character is standard and the only choice and gets to romance mowwigan



 

Modifié par bl00dsh0t, 11 mai 2010 - 08:28 .

[blademaster7]

elemme wrote...

Ok, So someone explain to me why Gaider posted at all. At first glance he is saying that the people on this thread need to be prepared to be unhappy with how Morrigan is handled or not handled in the next game. The problem is he made sure to hedge. Surely at this point in time the storyline for the next game is blocked out.

This.

There is a hidden message in his post. "Stop being delusional".

Maybe he's just trying to dissapoint the fans now rather than let them get their hopes up and dissapoint them later.

There's a lot of stuff I want to say, but whatever. I'll just keep the thoughts to my self and hope for a good game. After all, hope is the trend of this topic, right?

Modifié par blademaster7, 11 mai 2010 - 09:15 .

[bl00dsh0t]

blademaster7 wrote...

elemme wrote...

Ok, So someone explain to me why Gaider posted at all. At first glance he is saying that the people on this thread need to be prepared to be unhappy with how Morrigan is handled or not handled in the next game. The problem is he made sure to hedge. Surely at this point in time the storyline for the next game is blocked out.

This.

There is a hidden message in his post. "Stop being delusional".

Maybe he's just trying to dissapoint the fans now rather than let them get their hopes up and dissapoint them later.

There's a lot of stuff I want to say, but whatever. I'll just keep the thoughts to my self and hope for a good game. After all, hope is the trend of this topic, right?

Indeed. There was a lot of "dragon age is about thedas, not the wardens" in this damping talk a while back, and I think it is easier for us to be absurdly pessimistic about what is going to come than to spell out our theories of what may or may not come. It is still fun though

The only problem with it is that so many discussions makes us establish expectations that are insanely unlikely to be met, and can only lead to dissapointment when they do not become reality. Lets hope for an awesome game to come, but lets not expect it too much to be like our own little utopias, and accept that we most likely will get something we did not actually expect.

E3 is close, and hopefully with it some details that tell us what the hell we can still expect ;D

[Master Shiori]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

There shallt only be nerdrage if a new character is standard and the only choice and gets to romance mowwigan

I can simphatize with that , but look at it this way:

We don't know how our choices from Origins will be handled in DA2 or if our Warden is even alive by then.

What if they decide the dark ritual never took place or, if it did, that our Warden met an unhappy end while searching for Morri?

If that happens wouldn't it be better to have the option to romance her with our new pc and possibly get a happier or at least a more satisfying ending to that romance than to live in vain hope of reuniting her with our DA:O character?

Just because we may have the option to get her to love another doesn't mean it should automaticaly be a bad thing. Our old Warden will always be her first love and the father of her child, but if they're destined to never meet again than I'd rather see her with someone who can reawaken those feelings than for her to never experience love again.

Like Wynne said; sometimes death or duty may cause you and your love to part ways, but the value of what you shared isn't diminished by that.

During the course of DA2 we will likely grow fond of our new pc and wil care for him as much as we did for our old one.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 11 mai 2010 - 10:17 .

[bl00dsh0t]

True true, im not that atached to my army of wardens that romanced morri but somehow there is an appeal to her not moving on to another dude, as selfish as that may be ;D



Still if there is a new char and it can romance morrigan...well ill do it, and probably get quite atached to the new character in the process. Still in many ways the warden has been my gateway to ferelden, and my favourite and first one, HNR aedan, has seen half a dozen runs and is thus somewhat who I "am" in thedas. Of course this does not diminish the worth of a new character, but parting ways with him and morrigans romance is a tough one to swallow.



Still what comes, comes and we will either enjoy it for what it is or not, let E3 bring knowledge (In case you are reading this bioware emplyees : announce that something gets announced already )

[blademaster7]

You guys can't be serious. You are alright with continuing a story/romance with a new character? Wouldn't you rather have some closure before moving on to new things?

DAO was a game with a half-assed ending for me.  I finished the game and instead of getting the feeling of accomplishment I felt like a chump. Die, let someone else die and overshadow you or let the plot hammer of doom smack you in the head and get an ending with no closure whatsoever.

Who's to say that DA2 won't have the same BS? New, characters, new romances... and in the end the same crappy ending with so many questions that will remain un-answered, and your PC feeling like a total idiot for making the "right" decisions. Moving from an un-finished game to another is not something I'm particularly fond of. If this is the formula they plan on using then I'm back to shooters.

I don't really care about romance continuation(hell, I may be the only one around here lol). I just want some freeaking closure before I'm ready to see the DA universe from a different perspective. It could be tragedy or death for all I care. At least is better than the "Morrigan disappears(DAO)" and "Warden disappears right behind her(DAA)" BS we have to content with.

Modifié par blademaster7, 11 mai 2010 - 11:53 .

[Terra_Ex]

blademaster7 wrote...

You guys can't be serious. You are alright with continuing a story/romance with a new character? Wouldn't you rather have some closure before moving on to new things?

I'm with blademaster on this one, romancing her with a new character:
a:
wouldn't sit well with a lot of fans
b: would retread old ground

blademaster7 wrote...
DAO was a game with a half-assed ending for me.  I finished the game and instead of getting the feeling of accomplishment I felt like a chump. Die, let someone else die and overshadow you or let the plot hammer of doom smack you in the head and get an ending with no closure whatsoever.

Who's to say that DA2 won't have the same BS? New, characters, new romances... and in the end the same crappy ending with so many questions that will remain un-answered, and your PC feeling like a total idiot for making the "right" decisions. Moving from an un-finished game to another is not something I'm particularly fond of. If this is the formula they plan on using then I'm back to shooters.

This is why I've commented previously that they should be very careful not to get too overambitious or try something that seems ridiculously clever but ends up not getting implemented/cut back due to various reasons, which I feel was the primary factor in DA's lacklustre conclusion. Those DR cuts, necessary or  had a much bigger impact than BW originally foresaw imo.

blademaster7 wrote...
I don't really care about romance continuation(hell, I may be the only one around here lol). I just want some freeaking closure before I'm ready to see the DA universe from a different perspective. It could be tragedy or death for all I care. At least is better than the "Morrigan disappears(DAO)" and "Warden disappears right behind her(DAA)" BS we have to content with.

The flexibility to continue it is there if Bioware chooses to do so, I'd personally refer to it as a continuation/deepening of the relationship rather than romance, I think the "romance" aspect is over now (sort of how TOB focused on furthering the already established relationships - thats how I viewed it anyway). So either that or some closure to the issue are my personal expectations of DA2 with regards to Morri & the Warden.

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

You guys can't be serious. You are alright with continuing a story/romance with a new character? Wouldn't you rather have some closure before moving on to new things?

DAO was a game with a half-assed ending for me.  I finished the game and instead of getting the feeling of accomplishment I felt like a chump. Die, let someone else die and overshadow you or let the plot hammer of doom smack you in the head and get an ending with no closure whatsoever.

Who's to say that DA2 won't have the same BS? New, characters, new romances... and in the end the same crappy ending with so many questions that will remain un-answered, and your PC feeling like a total idiot for making the "right" decisions. Moving from an un-finished game to another is not something I'm particularly fond of. If this is the formula they plan on using then I'm back to shooters.

I don't really care about romance continuation(hell, I may be the only one around here lol). I just want some freeaking closure before I'm ready to see the DA universe from a different perspective. It could be tragedy or death for all I care. At least is better than the "Morrigan disappears(DAO)" and "Warden disappears right behind her(DAA)" BS we have to content with.

Honestly? I'd love nothing more than to reunite my Warden with Morrigan and to get the closure for that romance one way or the other.

The problem is that we don't have a lot of information to go on. What if more then 30 years have passed between Origins and DA2? What if our Warden died?

My suggestion was for exactly such a situation. If Bioware is unable to give us a proper closure, then they can at least ackowledge our dedication to Morrigan by giving us a second chance to romance her with a new pc and an ending that won't feel like it's half-arsed.
It's not ideal, but at this point I'd be willing to take what I can get.

Gaider's second post however shows that he isn't fond of leaving loose ends, that he recognizes our love of Morrigan and that Bioware is aware of us wanting to see a closure to her romance and the whole god child story.

Maybe something will come of that in the future. But if it doesn't then we'd be left with nothing, while everyone else got a satisfying closure for their love interests.

If this is to be the case then my suggestion might make our time spent on pursuing Morrigan in Origins not seem like a complete waste.

[bl00dsh0t]

Dude we are not saying we would prefer a new character, we are just saying that assuming we even get to play the warden in the next game might end up making the next installment of dragon age very dissapointing ;D



All here, unless I have missed something, want the warden back. But everytime a discussion gets long enough on the topic David steps in with a "you might not get what you want" comment. Thus we are steeling ourselves for what might come



Well frankly the ending of DAO was satisfying to those that romanced other characters than morrigan The blight is ended, you're the hero (or dead) and the ending is more or less a hook for more to come but you have done what you set out to do. Of course that leaves the morrigan ending rather, well, unsatisfying to say the least and giving us an end to her and the wardens story most desired. Still I won't get into a uber nerdrage and curse bioware for all eternity if DA2 is not the game we are compiling with our wishes at the moment.



And just to rehash old gaider quotes: we WILL see more of morrigan, that much we know since he would not actually state that unless she is planned to appear in a future installment of DA. If this is in DA2 is another question

[Terra_Ex]

Master Shiori wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

You guys can't be serious. You are alright with continuing a story/romance with a new character? Wouldn't you rather have some closure before moving on to new things?

DAO was a game with a half-assed ending for me.  I finished the game and instead of getting the feeling of accomplishment I felt like a chump. Die, let someone else die and overshadow you or let the plot hammer of doom smack you in the head and get an ending with no closure whatsoever.

Who's to say that DA2 won't have the same BS? New, characters, new romances... and in the end the same crappy ending with so many questions that will remain un-answered, and your PC feeling like a total idiot for making the "right" decisions. Moving from an un-finished game to another is not something I'm particularly fond of. If this is the formula they plan on using then I'm back to shooters.

I don't really care about romance continuation(hell, I may be the only one around here lol). I just want some freeaking closure before I'm ready to see the DA universe from a different perspective. It could be tragedy or death for all I care. At least is better than the "Morrigan disappears(DAO)" and "Warden disappears right behind her(DAA)" BS we have to content with.

Honestly? I'd love nothing more than to reunite my Warden with Morrigan and to get the closure for that romance one way or the other.

The problem is that we don't have a lot of information to go on. What if more then 30 years have passed between Origins and DA2? What if our Warden died?

My suggestion was for exactly such a situation. If Bioware is unable to give us a proper closure, then they can at least ackowledge our dedication to Morrigan by giving us a second chance to romance her with a new pc and an ending that won't feel like it's half-arsed.
It's not ideal, but at this point I'd be willing to take what I can get.

Gaider's second post however shows that he isn't fond of leaving loose ends, that he recognizes our love of Morrigan and that Bioware is aware of us wanting to see a closure to her romance and the whole god child story.

Maybe something will come of that in the future. But if it doesn't then we'd be left with nothing, while everyone else got a satisfying closure for their love interests.

If this is to be the case then my suggestion might make our time spent on pursuing Morrigan in Origins not seem like a complete waste.

I have nothing but respect for Gaider, without his contribution and willingness to go the extra mile, we'd have missed out on BG2's "true" ending Ascension not to mention what was supposed to happen with the DR. As stated, he and Bioware know what the fans want, that said, while I appreciate his posts, you won't get anything barring expectation management at this stage.

[blademaster7]

Master Shiori wrote...

The problem is that we don't have a lot of information to go on. What if more then 30 years have passed between Origins and DA2? What if our Warden died?

And here I thought my Grey Warden story couldn't get any crappier.

So far there is no guarantee that DA2 will be any different unless they resolve those few loose ends in the first game. Sorry, but I can't endure another 60+ hour playthrough only to get my self into another plot-hammer-driven ending that will leave a (yet another) bitter taste in my mouth.

It is no exaggeration when disapointed fans say they will not bother with future DA games. When you buy a product only to discover that is incomplete then surely you won't bother buying from the same company again. Right?

Of course, I'm only thinking about the worst here. I might change my mind.

Modifié par blademaster7, 11 mai 2010 - 01:24 .

[Daryn Mercio]

I honestly just want Morrigan in the next game along with the god child. Maybe a few references to her lost love (The warden, whether he died by the archdemon or in the deep roads) If I can't import my warden, then I at least want references to his choices. Morrigan could be an npc or party member, it doesn't bother me, as long as I find out what happened to her, I'm cool with it. I actually like the ending in awakenings when my warden continues his UBER LONG search for her. It shows his dedication to finding the one woman he loves and his child.

Now if we can use our warden again, then I'll be overjoyed, especially if the dialogue between Morrigan and a warden you romanced her with is deep and she still loves him. If she is completely cut or overshadowed or her story with the god-child is underestimated, I'll probably not even play DA2.

IMO, the date on the dragon card that came in the awakening box is referring to the next expansion, which could revolve around Morrigan I suppose

[webbedfeet]

Considering that my Morrigan'd Wardens tended not to follow her, I have to say I'm not as invested in that particular side of things as the rest of this thread. I do have a vested interest in having the Warden return or at least acknowledged in some major form, though.

Why?

Imagine you're reading the Song of Ice and Fire. You've got to the end of book one, where SPOILER just crowned himself King, SPOILER has woken dragons, things are going haywire, and a sinister force is waking beyond the ice fields....and then the author plops a message on his site that says "Sorry! The next book will be set entirely in Quarth, so you won't get the Starks but there'll be a new set of characters and maybe a few recurring ones like say Dany making an appearance. They might not get perspectives, however, and who knows if that entire plot thread will get resolved. It'll be awesome, though!"

All right, perhaps not that extreme. I do exaggerate for comic effect. The cliffhangar in DA:O is hardly that bad, and I understand the advantages of a clean slate. The final judgement depends on the product---I have, after all, been with the Suikoden series even *after* Tierkreis and the abandonment of the Awesome Harmonia Plot And That Backstory About The Sentient Runes. I hope you see what I'm getting at, however.

EDIT : In case you're reading, Mr. Gaider, 'the author' is not an allusion to you. It's to the possible Bioware/EA announcement that we'll have a new PC next game. Hopefully that comes off as appropriately amused/somewhat worried.

Modifié par webbedfeet, 11 mai 2010 - 02:10 .

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

The problem is that we don't have a lot of information to go on. What if more then 30 years have passed between Origins and DA2? What if our Warden died?

And here I thought my Grey Warden story couldn't get any crappier.

So far there is no guarantee that DA2 will be any different unless they resolve those few loose ends in the first game. Sorry, but I can't endure another 60+ hour playthrough only to get my self into another plot-hammer-driven ending that will leave a (yet another) bitter taste in my mouth.

It is no exaggeration when disapointed fans say they will not bother with future DA games. When you buy a product only to discover that is incomplete then surely you won't bother buying from the same company again. Right?

Of course, I'm only thinking about the worst here. I might change my mind.

It's normal to be upset about the prospect of not getting a proper closure and thus feel like you've wasted those 60+ hours for nothing.

The fact that David Gader came here to give us info or at least explain the prospect with which he and Bioware are now faced only demonstrates that he cares about what we as Morrigan fans feel and want.

But this isn't just about us. We are only a part of DA fans. What we want may not be what everyone else wants. Therefore we cannot expect Bioware to catter exclusively to our needs, even if our demands are justified.

If faced with angering Morrigan fans or angering everyone else, they'll be forced to choose the lesser of two evils, even if that makes them "damned if you do, damned if you don't" like David said.

They have however, admitted that Morrigan will be back and that they consider her important. What will happen to our Warden is a mystery.

Should worst come to pass and the reunion between them never happens, our willingness to compromise would allow us to still salvage the whole situation and walk away with some measure of satisfaction.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 11 mai 2010 - 02:45 .

[elemme]

blademaster7 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

The problem is that we don't have a lot of information to go on. What if more then 30 years have passed between Origins and DA2? What if our Warden died?

And here I thought my Grey Warden story couldn't get any crappier.

So far there is no guarantee that DA2 will be any different unless they resolve those few loose ends in the first game. Sorry, but I can't endure another 60+ hour playthrough only to get my self into another plot-hammer-driven ending that will leave a (yet another) bitter taste in my mouth.

It is no exaggeration when disapointed fans say they will not bother with future DA games. When you buy a product only to discover that is incomplete then surely you won't bother buying from the same company again. Right?

Of course, I'm only thinking about the worst here. I might change my mind.

This is pretty much how I feel.  The DR crappy Morrigan ending is aimed intentionally or unintentionally at a specific archetype of character. I know this is the also the type of archetype I will always be drawn to. I am not interested in a game that is just going to disappoint  me again.   While I can see the advantages of telling different kind of stories from different places in the world or a set of stories that eventually come together. Right now I simply do not trust bioware not to put me in the same situation after DA2. I will wait well after the game is released to decide whether or not to stay involved. I will also trust threads like this one to help me to decide if it is worth the investment in time to continue.