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[Brockololly]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

And there definitely should be another ‘Trapped in the Fade’ level where this time you have a sunshine and rainbows Morrigan reunion. And here you would hear her say things that she actually never would.

If nothing else, such a level would provide many lulz, having one big happy, Warden, apostate , demon baby family:lol:

[ObserverStatus]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
And there definitely should be another ‘Trapped in the Fade’ level where this time you have a sunshine and rainbows Morrigan reunion. And here you would hear her say things that she actually never would.

Morrigan: I was only joking Leliana, I love shoes!

[Brockololly]

bobobo878 wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
And there definitely should be another ‘Trapped in the Fade’ level where this time you have a sunshine and rainbows Morrigan reunion. And here you would hear her say things that she actually never would.

Morrigan: I was only joking Leliana, I love shoes!

See, ok Bioware you want  me to shell out $$$ on alternate universe DLC? Forget Darkspawn, lets have a Morrigan, Leliana and Shale shoe shopping DLC . Sold!

[blademaster7]

Vicious wrote...

Could some of you fellas explain to me exactly what you want to do with Morrigan if your PCs find her?

You know, a few months back I would have tried to answer this. But now I'm in the same boat with Barabarossa. My interest is waning fast.

[blademaster7]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
Dammit Barbarossa!

Do you have to crush even the smallest grain of hope that I have left for the romance. *Fist clench*

Barbarossa is the one that crushed your hopes? I think he's just as disappointed as everyone here. Or did you actually mean that you agree with him? If that's the case then he crushed my (false) hopes as well.

Did I mention that he's my favorite poster on these forums? I probably said it a thousand times.. but whatever

If it wasn't for guys like him I would've quitted the forums a long time ago.

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
I thought we were getting along quite well on these forums. I was even gonna send you a friend invite and name one my children after you.

The grumpy one?

[Master Shiori]

Vicious wrote...

Could some of you fellas explain to me exactly what you want to do with Morrigan if your PCs find her?

Pretty much what Brock, Addai and others have already said, except I'd like to add my 2 cents.

I wouldn't want the possible reunion to be a happy one just for the sake of being happy. If Morrigan's romance does need to be tragic then I'd live with that as long as the story is good and we get our answers.

But what I really want is something that DA:O and DR never allowed.. a chance to have my actions and decisions decide the fate of the romance rather then having the writers predetermine it.

The thing that really intrigued me about Morrigan is that within her there appears to be a conflict between 2 different "Morrigans": one being a daughter of Flemeth who values only power and survival and the other being a girl with a golden mirror, who still has her childhood hopes and dreams.
I would like to see this conflict come to a head with Morri either choosing to give in to her feelings for the Warden and give up her plans in order to find happiness or stay true to what Flemeth taught her but then forever lose the Warden (possibly by him dying). Idealy, this decision would be hers to make but you could influence it, not by your aproval or persuasion skill but by your choices during the game and by being wiling to make meaningful sacrifices in order to reach a happy end (something akin to Landsmeet where your decision might result in forever losing a friend).

Your actions would determine how the story between Morrigan and the Warden ends, but that story wouldn't be the main focus of the game. Rather, it would be a story element akin to how Urn of the Sacred Ashes or Arl of Redcliffe were in Origins. It would tie in and affect the main plot, but rather then overshadow it, it would enrich it and make the overall story better.
How we handle Morrigan would be entirely up to the players themselves and could result in her being an ally or a foe in which case the above scenario with her and the Warden would play out differently.

However it plays out though, our action would be what ultimately matters and that is what we all truly want here.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 13 mai 2010 - 10:12 .

[Terra_Ex]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Dammit Barbarossa!

Do you
have to crush even the smallest grain of hope that I have left for the
romance. *Fist clench*

I thought we were getting along quite well
on these forums. I was even gonna send you a friend invite and name one
my children after you.

Barbarossa is just telling it like it is Hell I was less than impressed with the one size fits all DR, if it had been my first rpg then... yeah, its not a note that you what to end the game on after 80hrs+ of enjoyment. The more you think about it the more jaded you'll become, trust me. So Barbarossa's choice of stepping away from the issue is perfectly understandable.

Master Shiori wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Could some of you fellas explain to me exactly what you want to do with Morrigan if your PCs find her?

Pretty much what Brock, Addai and others have already said, except I'd like to add my 2 cents.

I wouldn't want the possible reunion to be a happy one just for the sake of being happy. If Morrigan's romance does need to be tragic then I'd live with that as long as the story is good and we get ou answers.

But what I really want is something that DA:O and DR never allowed.. a chance to have my actions and decisions decide the fate of the romance rather then having the writers predetermine it.

The thing that really intrigued me about Morrigan is that within her there appears to be a conflict between 2 different "Morrigans": one being a daughter of Flemeth who values only power and survival and the other being a girl with a golden mirror, who still has her childhood hopes and dreams.
I would like to see this conflict come to a head with Morri either choosing to give in to her feelings for the Warden and give up her plans in order to find happiness or stay true to what Flemeth taught her but then forever lose the Warden (possibly by him dying). Idealy, this decision would be hers to make but you could influence it, not by your aproval or persuasion skill but by your choices during the game and by being wiling to make meaningful sacrifices in order to reach a happy end (something akin to Landsmeet where your decision might result in forever losing a friend).

Your actions would determine how the story between Morrigan and the Warden ends, but that story wouldn't be the main focus of the game. Rather, it would be a story element akin to how Urn of the Sacred Ashes or Arl of Redcliffe were in Origins. It would tie in and affect the main plot, but rather then overshadow it, it would enrich it and make the overall story better.
How we handle Morrigan would be entirely up to the players themselves and could result in her being an ally or a foe in which case the above scenario with her and the Warden would play out differently.

However it plays out though, our action would be what ultimately matters and that is what we all truly want here.

You know, I'll expand upon what I posted earlier now I've gotten some sleep:

What I'd want from Morri in DA2:

- to once again be challenged by the writers via dialogue, Morrigan is a incredibly well written character with some superb exchanges with the Warden & other party members. Considering all that happened between them and the situation at the end of the game, there's huge scope for expansion.
- build upon the events of DA1 - put the Warden into a position where he has to choose between siding with Morri / old allies ,etc I cannot understate how awesome such a choice would be
- finally and most importantly - let the player's actions influence the endgame.

Ultimately my expectations of Morri as a returning character are not far removed from what I expect of any returning NPC.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I guess I should post this here.
The reason Morrigan isn';t showing up is because Cerberus and the Illusive Man have enlisted her, since she is the perfect model for humanity (and certainly not Miranda).

Knight, that is a truly disturbing image Though I do need to get ME2 on pc and mod Morri's picture onto Shepherd's desk...

Brockololly wrote...
Maybe its just me but again, nothing he's ever written that I've read comes off as too insulting or condescending, IMO. Maybe blunt at times but he's not the PR or Customer service rep, he's the lead writer- so long as one stays civil thats
that. Maybe I just have thick skin, but at least with the myopic comment all he was saying was that it might be short-sighted to say right now you'll never ever ever buy another DA game if we don't get closure to Morrigan or OGB. And as frustrating a prospect as that might seem right now, if the next DA game can be Awesomeness Incarnate, it might be short sighted to say you'll never ever play it. Thats all. I'd agree but I just so happen to think that for the next DA game to be Awesomeness Incarnate, Morrigan and the Warden should be in it.

Agreed, though it seems myopic has become something of a buzz word now . If I were to opt out of DA in the future it would be due to an ongoing trend of game endings suffering due to cuts and lack of direction as to where the series is going, not an automatic knee jerk reaction to a character not being present.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 13 mai 2010 - 10:37 .

[blademaster7]

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The giant boulder of doom.
Brockololly's idea. Don't blame me.

Modifié par blademaster7, 13 mai 2010 - 03:18 .

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

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The giant boulder of doom.
Brockololly's idea. Don't blame me.

All we need now is Shale coming in, letting out a *sigh* and commenting how all creatures of flesh are squishy.

EDIT:
It's "flesh". Why is it that when you edit something on these damn forums the change fails to show?!

Modifié par Master Shiori, 13 mai 2010 - 11:23 .

[blademaster7]

This one is for Barbarossa.



CLICK THE RIGHT TRIGGER!!! 

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

This one is for Barbarossa.



CLICK THE RIGHT TRIGGER!!! 

Funny, I actually wanted to do a renegade interupt on Alistair when playing a female Warden and having him do the DR wih Morri.
It always struck me as ooc for someone who grew up as a bastard, never knew his parents and is about to sire a kid he'll never see again to ask "will it be a threat to Ferelden?" rather than "Will I ever see it?".

Had my Warden been male, I'd pull a renegade interupt that would result in Alistair flying out of the room to smack into a wall with my Warden slamming the door behind him and proceeding to take Morri right there and then.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 13 mai 2010 - 12:07 .

[tom2504]

blademaster7 wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Could some of you fellas explain to me exactly what you want to do with Morrigan if your PCs find her?

You know, a few months back I would have tried to answer this. But now I'm in the same boat with Barabarossa. My interest is waning fast.

I think that's part of their plan to let us down easy!  Make you lose interest instead of making you lose hope!

Whether they ultimately decide to go into a different direction, whether
they are holding there cards close to the vest... either way they are
going, there are much better ways of handling the interest
than sophmoric digs and slaps... at your customers. 

I agree, I hadn't previously seen that picket fence post from Gaider but that - to me, was very patronising. No one expects an ending like that and It's stupid for him to ridicule people just for wanting a GOOD Morrigan ending.

Going back to what I previously said though - It's just another Gaider post which gives me an inkling that he wants to put us off the idea of Morrigan in order for us not to be disappointed when she's ultimately not in DA:O2!

But yes we're in a loop now. I mean come on! ;

One cannot help but wonder, however: What
became of the child? What were Morrigan's plans? These
questions must remain a mystery... FOR NOW

She's bound to turn up eventually, right?

RIGHT? :I

[Master Shiori]

tom2504 wrote...

One cannot help but wonder, however: What
became of the child? What were Morrigan's plans? These
questions must remain a mystery... FOR NOW

She's bound to turn up eventually, right?

RIGHT? :I

Oh, we, as players, are bound to see her again at some point.

The question we should be asking here is "Will our Warden ever see her again?".

[tom2504]

Master Shiori wrote...

tom2504 wrote...

One cannot help but wonder, however: What
became of the child? What were Morrigan's plans? These
questions must remain a mystery... FOR NOW

She's bound to turn up eventually, right?

RIGHT? :I

Oh, we, as players, are bound to see her again at some point.

The question we should be asking here is "Will our Warden ever see her again?".

I kinda saw that as a given - I've already emphasised my disgust if we were to meet her again on another character pc - I should have been more specific though, you're right

[Master Shiori]

David Gaider wrote...

Just as a question, let's say you romanced
Morrigan and you *did* chase after her once the story is over. What
would you expect to happen if you found her?

I find it hard to
believe that you would honestly expect a reunion where you run towards
each other across a field of grass, arms open to sweep each other up?
Morrigan says, "you found me, you big silly! I know I told you to never
come after me, but I was totally wrong!" And then you go off to raise
your demon baby in a nice cottage with a white picket fence?

Or
you think that, having found her, she will answer questions for you
then? Do you intend to offer child support, what? I know that you were
hoping for something *more* -- but that's part of the point. I
obviously have my own ideas on where the story will go, but now I'm just
really curious as to what sort of romantic reunion is being pictured
here.

The funny thing about this post is that David never tries to explain why finding Morrigan and possibly getting some kind of a happy ending would be a bad thing.

I can understand that he wanted her romance in Origins to be tragic, but does he really think that having Morrigan leave our Warden without providing any answers and for him to never see her or their child again to sit well with the fans?
If nothing else I would consider a desire to find your lover and her child to be perfectly natural.

It's obvious people are emotionaly invested in this story and in Morrigan as a character. It's also clear they don't consider the way the romance ended to be satisfying.

Why then, would a potential reunion between the Warden and Morrigan be bad in the grand scheme of things?

Modifié par Master Shiori, 13 mai 2010 - 01:59 .

[Brockololly]

tom2504 wrote...

But yes we're in a loop now. I mean come on! ;

Its like we're trapped in the Fade or something- come on Bioware, throw us a freakin' bone here!

tom2504 wrote...
One cannot help but wonder, however: What
became of the child? What were Morrigan's plans? These
questions must remain a mystery... FOR NOW

She's bound to turn up eventually, right?

RIGHT? :I

That little quote and the ability to repeatedly tell Morrigan or Alistair/Anora/Loghain that you intend to look for Morrigan is what fuels my hope that the Warden will get to see Morrigan again. Sure all the characters say that it will be difficult or it wouldn't be wise to track down Morrigan but come on! My Cousland is the hero of Ferelden! He just single handedly beat a Blight, now you're telling him its too risky and unwise to try and track down one apostate?

[blademaster7]

Master Shiori wrote...

The funny thing about this post is that David never tries to explain why finding Morrigan and possibly getting some kind of a happy ending would be a bad thing.

They have big plans for Morrigan apparently. They can't have her hanging around with a disposable Grey Warden chump now, can they?


B)B)

Modifié par blademaster7, 13 mai 2010 - 03:24 .

[Addai]

blademaster7 wrote...
They have big plans for Morrigan apparently. They can't have her hanging around with a disposable Grey Warden chump now, can they?

His sperm will probably still be around in the form of the god child, isn't that enough for you?  LOL

[blademaster7]

Addai67 wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...
They have big plans for Morrigan apparently. They can't have her hanging around with a disposable Grey Warden chump now, can they?

His sperm will probably still be around in the form of the god child, isn't that enough for you?  LOL

I prefer the term flesh and blood... but  sperm works too, I guess.

Modifié par blademaster7, 13 mai 2010 - 03:39 .

[Brockololly]

blademaster7 wrote...

The giant boulder of doom.
Brockololly's idea. Don't blame me.

Hey, the funny thing is thats basically how Neverwinter NIghts 2 ends- you beat the boss and the cave you and your party is in collapses crushing everyone. That said, Neverwinter Nights 2 was an Obsidian game not Bioware, but still...

Question: Do you think Flemeth can see into the future? I'd bet this has been brought up before but since it seems like we just talk in circles here, why not! Do you think Flemeth is pulling all the strings and has tricked Morrigan into doing the DR?

In addition to getting answers from Morrigan, I'd like to see how FLemeth ties in to everything because I think her and Morrigan are tied together plot wise where we won't get one without the other. After all, its interesting to note that if you do not kill Flemeth but still go through with the Ritual and romance Morrigan you get this in the epilogue slide:
"There was no word of her after that. Flemeth's hut in the Korcari Wilds was likewise abandoned. One cannot help but wonder: Where did they go? What were their plans? What became of the child? These questions must remain a mystery... for now."

Is the "they" referring to Flemeth and Morrigan? Seems likely then that Morrigan and Flemeth's plans are the same, perhaps? Questions, questions...

Reading through the epilogue stuff in the toolset, it just makes so much damn sense in my mind to have DA2 set in Orlais maybe 2-5 years after Origins. I mean, you've got the Arl Foreshadow notes hinting at Orlais and offspring, Morrigan is headed west towards Orlais regardless ("Several years later, tales out of Orlais said that a strange, dark-haired mage had insinuated herself within the empress's court."), you've got the "Urthemiel Plateau" in Orlais, Orlais is basically the most talked about country in DAO besides Ferelden- I could go on. The signs all point to something involving the OGB, Morrigan/Flemeth and Orlais, unless I'm just being myopic but thats what I'm hoping for anyway.

Modifié par Brockololly, 13 mai 2010 - 04:52 .

[bl00dsh0t]

Brockololly wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

The giant boulder of doom.
Brockololly's idea. Don't blame me.

Hey, the funny thing is thats basically how Neverwinter NIghts 2 ends- you beat the boss and the cave you and your party is in collapses crushing everyone. That said, Neverwinter Nights 2 was an Obsidian game not Bioware, but still...

Question: Do you think Flemeth can see into the future? I'd bet this has been brought up before but since it seems like we just talk in circles here, why not! Do you think Flemeth is pulling all the strings and has tricked Morrigan into doing the DR?

In addition to getting answers from Morrigan, I'd like to see how FLemeth ties in to everything because I think her and Morrigan are tied together plot wise where we won't get one without the other. After all, its interesting to note that if you do not kill Flemeth but still go through with the Ritual and romance Morrigan you get this in the epilogue slide:
"There was no word of her after that. Flemeth's hut in the Korcari Wilds was likewise abandoned. One cannot help but wonder: Where did they go? What were their plans? What became of the child? These questions must remain a mystery... for now."

Is the "they" referring to Flemeth and Morrigan? Seems likely then that Morrigan and Flemeth's plans are the same, perhaps? Questions, questions...

Reading through the epilogue stuff in the toolset, it just makes so much damn sense in my mind to have DA2 set in Orlais maybe 2-5 years after Origins. I mean, you've got the Arl Foreshadow notes hinting at Orlais and offspring, Morrigan is headed west towards Orlais regardless ("Several years later, tales out of Orlais said that a strange, dark-haired mage had insinuated herself within the empress's court."), you've got the "Urthemiel Plateau" in Orlais, Orlais is basically the most talked about country in DAO besides Ferelden- I could go on. The signs all point to something involving the OGB, Morrigan/Flemeth and Orlais, unless I'm just being myopic but thats what I'm hoping for anyway.

Indeed I would like to see orlais as the next major stage in the game since much emphasis is placed on the difference between ferelden and orlais. In other words they could make many new nice environments and have plenty of areas of interest for origins players (val royaux, kal sharok, urthemiel plateu, the dales...etc.). That morrigan seems to have gone that direction has absolutely nothing to do with my desire to head there...

[blademaster7]

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You guys should have your eyes checked, because you clearly show signs of myopia. All this theorycrafting about unreasonable storylines is driving me crazy.

Modifié par blademaster7, 13 mai 2010 - 05:20 .

[tom2504]

Brockololly wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

The giant boulder of doom.
Brockololly's idea. Don't blame me.

"There was no word of her after that. Flemeth's hut in the Korcari Wilds was likewise abandoned. One cannot help but wonder: Where did they go? What were their plans? What became of the child? These questions must remain a mystery... for now."

Is the "they" referring to Flemeth and Morrigan? Seems likely then that Morrigan and Flemeth's plans are the same, perhaps? Questions, questions...

I'm pretty sure it is, I killed Flemeth and at the ending of mine it read 'Where did she go, what were her plans' as I recall.

You're right though, optomist is the best way to go at the moment, It makes too much sense for Morrigan to be in Orlais + You to continue your Warden in the next expansion!