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[Ash Wind]

Brockololly wrote...

Morrigan: The demon within her has transformed her into... something else. An abomination, perhaps some would say? I know not. I only know my mother is clever. And she is part of the Wilds as it is part of her.

The posibilities for speculation appear infinite...

If the Spirit of the Brecilian Forest can be bound into Lady of the Forest/Witherfang; Perhaps the Spirit of the Korcari Wilds could be bound into a human-like form as well.

[blademaster7]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Awesome E, I still think there's a lot of hope that things will work out as you wish.  Remember I'm new to the scene, and am only approach this from a perspective as to whether or not this sort of thing is normal for the genre of RPGs (I have nothing but my own gaming background to compare it to).

Come on.... you know better than that. 

No one can define "normal" for you. You spend money and time for this game, you are entitled to your own opinion.

This is not a shooter where you will get killed if you ran out of ammo.

If you feel that you did nothing wrong(this is roleplaying after all) and you deserved a better ending, then who can argue with you?

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

I honestly think Gaider is here to lower your expectations only to give the Morrigan fans what they want in the end.  I'm not sure how he will do that, but I honestly think you all will be pleasantly surprised.  BW would be fools to squander the capital they've gained in this game by alienating a large part of their player base; and they are not fools.  Look at the evidence: Morrigan is not a killable NPC; I'll bet the player base is predominantly male; Morrigan is the most attractive LI for males; I'll bet the vast majority of male players romanced her; BW stripped the Warden of any real choice at the DR and pigeon-holed the player to accept Morrigan's offer; I'll bet the vast majority of those romancers took her offer at the DR.  BW will chase the bottom line by adjusting accordingly, and for that you should be very hopeful.  I'm just not a fan of this sort of thing for a hundred reasons that I will spare the thread, since I've pretty much stated them ad nauseum.

You make a good point here. If you think like a marketeer for a moment then it would be foolish to disappoint the majority of your customers. And lets not fool anyone here by bringing up other characters. The male gender is the heart and soul of gaming. Those are the one's you are trying to appease. You don't just take their money and then kick them in the balls.

But what do you know? They did that.

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

I honestly think Gaider is here to lower your expectations only to give the Morrigan fans what they want in the end.  I'm not sure how he will do that, but I honestly think you all will be pleasantly surprised.  BW would be fools to squander the capital they've gained in this game by alienating a large part of their player base; and they are not fools.  Look at the evidence: Morrigan is not a killable NPC; I'll bet the player base is predominantly male; Morrigan is the most attractive LI for males; I'll bet the vast majority of male players romanced her; BW stripped the Warden of any real choice at the DR and pigeon-holed the player to accept Morrigan's offer; I'll bet the vast majority of those romancers took her offer at the DR.  BW will chase the bottom line by adjusting accordingly, and for that you should be very hopeful.  I'm just not a fan of this sort of thing for a hundred reasons that I will spare the thread, since I've pretty much stated them ad nauseum.

You make a good point here. If you think like a marketeer for a moment then it would be foolish to disappoint the majority of your customers. And lets not fool anyone here by bringing up other characters. The male gender is the heart and soul of gaming. Those are the one's you are trying to appease. You don't just take their money and then kick them in the balls.

But what do you know? They did that.

Gaider will most likely continue Morrigan's storyat some point. He never denied this.

He did say in this very topic that leaving lose ends isn't something he's fond of.

The problem here is that in order to wrap up Morrigan's story he doesn't need the Warden, since another character could be used just as easily.

What we're trying to achieve here is to have the one who helped start this whole thing (our Warden) be the one to witness the consequenes of his decisions and possibly deal with them in a way we ourselves choose, and not in a way that is predetermined by the writers like DR was.

[blademaster7]

Resolving Morrigan's storyline with a new character or (worse) not resolving it at all would kill the game for me. And for pretty much everyone, really.

Once again, let us think like marketeers here. Who is your target audience? Who is willing to splash the cash on a game with sex and gore? The male audience of course. They are no just a simple majority, but supermajority. As I said before, males are the heart and soul of gaming.

Take out the males of age 16-25 out and gaming industries will go bankrupt within a month.

A sensible gaming industry like Bioware surely will know this.

The gave us a "dark fantasy" game and labeled Morrigan as the "face of the game". She's the first thing you see on DAO posters and the first thing you see in your profile right here on this site. I remember the poll they had right before the release. "Who is the most intriguing DAO character?" or something like that. Guess who was leading? Morrigan with a whooping 51% and Leliana was second with just a mere 11%.

And then, you go on to play the game. The first two companions you meet are Alistair and Morrigan. The typical comic-relief side kick and the mysterious "bad girl" that is attracted to the hero(and vice versa). The bread and butter setting for your run-of-the-mill male customer.

I do realize that it's not the same for everyone but numbers don't lie. Your target audience is right there where you want it to be.... hooked into the game and asking for more.

Congratulations Bioware, you pulled it off. I am hooked and I want more. But now they're telling me that they can't please everyone *wink wink*Morrigan fans* wink wink* and that not everybody will get what he/she wants*wink wink Morrigan fans again*wink wink*. They should've thought of that before disappointing me with the ending.

If they can't satisfy me with a proper story that has a beggining a middle and an end then I will go elsewhere to look for other games. I do belong in the supermajority after all. Lot's of games out there that can fulfill my needs as a gamer.

If Bioware isn't willing to continue this story then I sure hope EA knocks some sense into their skull. --Ok, I can't believe I just said that, people are gonna laugh in my face but whatever-- EA may not have the best reputation but they do know how to squeeze the money out of their cash cows. They see everything as assets and Moriigan is their biggest asset right now. Give the audience what they want and get their money. I'm happy with that even if it means EA butting into Bioware's business.

Modifié par blademaster7, 14 mai 2010 - 08:12 .

[Master Shiori]

Well Blademaster, I think we need to define what, according to Bioware, we as fans truly want.

Do we want a reunion between Morrigan and our Warden so we mght have a happy ending?

Do we simply want to find out what Morrigan has planned and why she needs a child with a soul of an old god?

Personaly, I think these 2 questions are where we, as fans, and Bioware seem to be butting heads, so to speak.
Bioware and it's writers probably believe that simply answering the second question would be enough for the fans.
We, on the other hand, seem to want both questions answered.


The problem is that David Gaider and co might even have a perfectly justified reason as to why a reunion between Morrigan and Warden would be a bad idea or even impossible. However we as fans have only the epilogues from Origins and Awakening to go by and in those it's clearly said that Morrigan's story isn't over, that she feels sorrow and regret for leaving the Warden and that the Warden left to search for her. It even goes so far as to say that his/her story isn't over.
It perfectly clear why anyone who's played both Origins and Awakening, romanced Morrigan and seen those epilogues would entertain the thought that a reunion will happen at some point. The writers can't possibly be ignorant of that fact.
Even if the player never bothered to romance Morrigan chances are he/she likely did the dark ritual at some point, even if to simply have his/her Warden survive. All of us who played Origins could come up with a reason for our Warden to seek out Morrigan again, whether it's out of love, friendship, feeling of betrayal, revenge or simple curiousity. How we deal with her once we do find her would of course vary from one player to another.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 14 mai 2010 - 10:00 .

[Demitra]

I havent played Awakening, And most likely I ill not. Because of those 2 questions and my frustration about that issue. I would love to have people full of glory. I think the developers should think this as some sort of a 'virtual realm' instead of 'just a game; give to the players a story and they cut their way in' Because whatever we say there always becomes a bound between the player and their 'avatar', therefore we want more satisfaction.

I prefer having an extended epilogue about Morrigan and Alistair. Because  there  is an option to have romance with one of those 2 remarkable characters (they both have major roles) and I am completely against to the idea of ignoring all the romance and approval the warden made through. As a female warden you can still let Morrigan have the baby from Alistair, and save both of the wardens. Why cant I continue from that point and follow her as well? I am disappointed.

Modifié par Demitra, 14 mai 2010 - 10:44 .

[blademaster7]

Master Shiori wrote...

Well Blademaster, I think we need to define what, according to Bioware, we as fans truly want.

Do we want a reunion between Morrigan and our Warden so we mght have a happy ending?

Do we simply want to find out what Morrigan has planned and why she needs a child with a soul of an old god?

A reuinon and a happy ending is stretching it a bit IMO. I never asked for an ending with rainbows and flowers(her whole background screams tragedy after all) but if you guys want that, then I understand completely. She doesn't give a reason why you can't be together.... so yeah it's reasonable and certainly NOT myopic.

What I want to see, is my decisions to have an impact for once. it's a freaking role-playing game for Gods sake. Did she love the PC? Were they friends? Did she hate his gut? Who's the father of the child? What does she feel when she looks the baby in the eyes? And what about Flemeth? Does she still have her body to chase Morrigan down?

Morrigan is an interesting and complex character no matter what angle of her personality you look at(love, friendship, hostility.. everything)..

Going ahead and giving a canon ending will result with Morrigan gaining a "default" personality. Kind of like Wynne in Awakening, but worse. She will be the witch of the wilds that has a child she conceived with  "someone"(the perfect pun to use so they can avoid mentioning the identity of the father). You don't know if she ever loved or if she had any friends. You don't know if she's evil or if her views on the world have changed a bit. She's just the girl you saw in the Korcari wilds and she's back for another round.

I don't want to see a predetermined Morrigan and watch my efforts go into the waste bin.

As for the second question... They can just make up everything they want and tell you "it's magic". Still it would be insteresting to see those "plans" and why are they so damn important to her and must remain a secret. So secretive in fact, that if her lover tries to turn her down, she walks out and leaves him to die without trying to reason with him(she had nothing to lose at this point, really).

EDIT: I hate the edit function....

Modifié par blademaster7, 14 mai 2010 - 12:07 .

[Master Shiori]

I agree that a happy ending does not necessarily need to happen. Death or tragedy could work just as well. The reason I mentioned it is because even if her romance in Origins did have a tragic ending doesn't mean the same needs to be true in the future. We did, after all, have a choice in how the 3 other romances could end, so why not have the same for Morrigan if it would make sense? I'd be willing to go with whatever the writers decide as long as it makes for a good story and a reunion happens.



On the subject of making a canon ending.

Let's consider what David Gaider said about Morrigan's story not being important enough to all the players for Bioware to make it a main focus of a sequal or expansion. If that is true, it's still a story that could be tied into a future title in a way that would contribute to making the main plot better, rather then overshadowing it.



Let's say that rather then import your character from Origins, you get 2 options at character creation: you can pick an origin called "hero of Ferelden" or you could create a new character who has no connection to the events of Origins. Similar to Awakening.

This means that the first hour or so you'd play through different beggining based on your choice and have both of them connect to the main plot at some point (kind of like how different origins all led to Ostagar). Morrigan's story would be one of the major side questlines in the game (kind of like Urn of Sacred Ashes or Arl of Redcliffe). Ideally, she'd rejoin you as a comapanion or serve as an important npcs htroughout the game (one with whyou'd interact on regular basis). During the game your dialogue choices would help determine not just what happened in Origins, but also how the 2 of you will get along in the game. It would be possible to continue the romance or even endit once and for all. Ultimately, your aproval and choices would affect what kind of ending Morrigan would have. If your aproval was high enough you would either end up sacrificing your life for her or the 2 of you could spend what years remain to your Warden together until the time of your calling comes. Or Morrigan might even sacrifice herself for your Warden or something happens that would result in the 2 of you forever parting ways (this time without any question left to ask and with both of you knowing it's truly over).

Either way the story is truly over or Morrigan ends up free to be used in the future should writers so desire.

Warden's story would be over either way.

[blademaster7]

Master Shiori wrote...
Let's consider what David Gaider said about Morrigan's story not being important enough to all the players for Bioware to make it a main focus of a sequal or expansion. If that is true, it's still a story that could be tied into a future title in a way that would contribute to making the main plot better, rather then overshadowing it.

Did he say that? Even if he did, it was probably one of those enigmatic posts you can never decipher ... oh well.

The only dev that mentioned Morrigan's return was Fernando Melo(the only one I've heard of anyway). But then again, that's the same guy who said that whoever killed the archdemon will be mentioned in Awakening... lol

Statements like that should be taken with a grain of salt.

Modifié par blademaster7, 14 mai 2010 - 12:29 .

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...
Let's consider what David Gaider said about Morrigan's story not being important enough to all the players for Bioware to make it a main focus of a sequal or expansion. If that is true, it's still a story that could be tied into a future title in a way that would contribute to making the main plot better, rather then overshadowing it.

Did he say that? Even if he did, it was probably one of those enigmatic posts you can never decipher ... oh well.

The only dev that mentioned Morrigan's return was Fernando Melo(the only one I've heard of anyway). But then again, that's the same guy who said that whoever killed the archdemon will be mentioned in Awakening... lol

Statements like that should be taken with a grain of salt.

That's what I got from reading his second post.

Of course, considering he loves to be enigmatic, it's quite possbile I got it all wrong.

[Terra_Ex]

blademaster7 wrote...

Resolving Morrigan's storyline with a new character or (worse) not resolving it at all would kill the game for me. And for pretty much everyone, really.

Once again, let us think like marketeers here. Who is your target audience? Who is willing to splash the cash on a game with sex and gore? The male audience of course. They are no just a simple majority, but supermajority. As I said
before, males are the heart and soul of gaming.

Take out the males of age 16-25 out and gaming industries will go bankrupt within a month.

A sensible gaming industry like Bioware surely will know this.

The gave us a "dark fantasy" game and labeled Morrigan as the "face of the game". She's the first thing you see on DAO posters andthe first thing you see in your profile right here on this site. I remember the poll they had right before the release. "Who is the most intriguing DAO character?" or something like that. Guess who was leading? Morrigan with a whooping 51% and Leliana was second with just amere 11%.

And then, you go on to play the game. The first two companions you meet are Alistair and Morrigan. The typical comic-relief side kick and the mysterious "bad girl" that is attracted to the hero(and vice versa). The bread and butter setting for your run-of-the-mill male customer.

I do realize that it's not the same for everyone but numbers don't lie. Your target audience is right there where you want it to be.... hooked into the game and asking for more.

Congratulations Bioware, you pulled it off. I am hooked andI want more. But now they're telling me that they can't please everyone*wink wink*Morrigan fans* wink wink* and that not everybody will get what he/she wants*wink wink Morrigan fans again*wink wink*. They should've thought of that before disappointing me with the ending.

If
they can't satisfy me with a proper story that has a beggining a middle
and an end then I will go elsewhere to look for other games. I
do belong in the supermajority after all. Lot's of games out there that
can fulfill my needs as a gamer.

I liked your post in the other thread actually - I'd say DA has a not insignificant amount of female players, but I'd agree males are likely the majority. As you stated if the same forced outcome had been applied to any of thr other romanceable partners, their fans would have been up in arms about it, just like us - to fail to follow up or conclude this (apart from annoying the fans) would be like throwing money away. I've stated my thoughts on this many times - don't begin a thread if you don't intend to finish it - especially not if you're tying it into a romance subplot, that's dangerous territory imo.

Barbarossa made some good points as well, its cetainly not unheard of to temper down fan expectations only to deliver pure plot gold later. I suspect his assumption will be correct in the long run, but until that day comes us Morri fans will continue to lament, complain, hope & speculate regarding the future - and we're gonna have the good days and bad days that go with it.

Master Shiori wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...
Let's consider what David Gaider said about Morrigan's story not being important enough to all the players for Bioware to make it a main focus of a sequal or expansion. If that is true, it's still a story that could be tied into a future title in a way that would contribute to making the main plot better, rather then overshadowing it.

Did he say that? Even if he did, it was probably one of those enigmatic posts you can never decipher ... oh well.

The only dev that mentioned Morrigan's return was Fernando Melo(the only one I've heard of anyway). But then again, that's the same guy who said that whoever killed the archdemon will be mentioned in Awakening... lol

Statements like that should be taken with a grain of salt.

That's what I got from reading his second post.

Of course, considering he loves to be enigmatic, it's quite possbile I got it all wrong. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

I got the impression he was just speaking generally about plot threads. What's important to us might not necessarilly have formed a major part of another person's playthrough,

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 14 mai 2010 - 01:16 .

[Master Shiori]

Terra_Ex wrote...

I liked your post in the other thread actually - I'd say DA has a not insignificant amount of female players, but I'd agree males are likely the majority. As you stated if the same forced outcome had been applied to any of thr other romanceable partners, their fans would have been up in arms about it, just like us - to fail to follow up or conclude this (apart from annoying the fans) would be like throwing money away. I've stated my thoughts on this many times - don't begin a thread if you don't intend to finish it - especially not if you're tying it into a romance subplot, that's dangerous territory imo.

Barbarossa made some good points as well, its cetainly not unheard of to temper down fan expectations only to deliver pure plot gold later. I suspect his assumption will be correct in the long run, but until that day comes us Morri fans will continue to lament, complain, hope & speculate regarding the future - and we're gonna have the good days and bad days that go with it.

I don't think they'll just throw the whole Morrigan story away.
I've played Bioware rpgs since Baldur's Gate 1 and they've always tied up lose ends. I doubt they'll start ignoring them now.

But you're right, we might get pure plot gold in the future, but atm we're completely in the dark to the point where it becoming a frustration.
Hopefully, E3 will shed some light on Bioware's plans.

[Terra_Ex]

Since I've now finally got some free time it's back to finishing off this mod. On that topic - does anyone have a landsmeet save for a female warden romancing alistair. I need a save where I can break off the romance during the landsmeet sequence (iirc) in order to test out the non-triggering banter referenced on an earlier page.

[Master Shiori]

Not me sorry.



My female dwarf noble is romancing Alistair but didn't reach the Landsmeet yet.



Still got the Elves and werewolves to deal with.

[bl00dsh0t]

I think I might have a hnw, romancing ali, with a save just before the landsmeet, but im not at home atm so pm me tomorrow afternoon if you would like to have it

[Addai]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Since I've now finally got some free time it's back to finishing off this mod. On that topic - does anyone have a landsmeet save for a female warden romancing alistair. I need a save where I can break off the romance during the landsmeet sequence (iirc) in order to test out the non-triggering banter referenced on an earlier page.

I have tons of those, but I'm at work so won't be able to get you one til this evening.

[Brockololly]

Terra_Ex wrote...

I got the impression he was just speaking generally about plot threads. What's important to us might not necessarilly have formed a major part of another person's playthrough,

That was my impression too- at least if you go back in some of his prior comments regarding Morrigan he basically said the same thing- that the Morrigan fan's version of events isn't necessarily definitive: Here are some of the Morrigan-centric posts he made a while after Origins came out, make of them what you will- *taken from this old thread* http://social.biowar...7/index/245091/

David Gaider wrote...

Akka le Vil wrote...
- The whole "it was my plan from the start". As others said, it really sounded "WTF ?", but not in a "what a twist !" way, rather in a "wow,  that really doesn't make a lot of sense". The girl didn't even attempt to be social and was even downright vindicative, toward you and even more toward Alistair, while her whole plan was based upon convincing one of you to bed her.Not really efficient nor convincing (and just think how funny it would have been to see Morrigan trying - and failing - at being nice).

I'd be careful with the assumptions. Her plan (or Flemeth's plan, if you prefer) was to convince ANY Grey Warden to perform the ritual prior to the final battle. It doesn't have to be you or Alistair, and there's no way she could have known that the confrontation would come so soon -- unless you'd really prefer to think that her ideal plan was to make that kind of last-minute hard sell. Clearly she saw an opportunity and she took it, making the best out of a bad situation (especially if neither Alistair/Loghain or the PC were her biggest fans).

Or maybe Flemeth did know it would come down like that. Hard to say.

- The Mary Sue Syndrom when you are angry and she smug you "ahah screw you" and leave. Seriously. It was a /wallbang moment. I hope I don't have to explain why.

It seems it's become very common for people to invoke the "Mary Sue" comment when they simply wish to bash a character they don't like or don't understand. I don't think Morrigan fits your standard Mary Sue build, and certainly I don't see her as a projection of myself in the slightest. If you prefer to think of her as wielding the Plot Hammer, that's up to you, but that's not the same thing as being a Mary Sue, either.

Insofar as Morrigan leaving when she's in love with the player, I'll say this: Morrigan says right from the get go that she sees love as a weakness. Then she falls in love with you. Did it tempt her to sway from her mission? No doubt it did --and that would have frightened her more than anything else, don't you think? It is possible to do what you have to do even when love is on the line. People who believe otherwise are, I think, being a little too romantic. And this is why Morrigan told you from the beginning that it wasn't going to work like you thought it would. She didn't want to get close, maybe even resented the fact that she was being sent for that very purpose -- especially when it went against her very nature. Whether you think she acted like she did because of or despite that is up to you.

As for the rest of the speculation, I'll leave that up to you all.

David Gaider wrote...

nub5 wrote...
Can you be sure about this?  Perhaps she is integral to the Dragon Age storyline which is to span 3 games.

I'm not sure why some people assume that Morrigan's tale MUST be central and definitive. It could be, but the certainty some people express is sort of like how some people are absolutely certain they know where a movie is going half-way through(or five minutes in). They might very well be right, but the Morrigan fans should be aware that their version of the tale is hardly definitive.

David Gaider wrote...

T1l wrote...
Interesting. Even David mentions the concept of "mission". "Duty". "Mission". Who or what is this higher authority Morrigan has to answer to, exactly, other than herself? Where's the accountability? With Flemmeth out of the way, Morrigans hand isn't being forced by anyone other than herself.

A man on a mission doesn't have to be handed that mission from someone in authority. It could just be something you really think you have to do. Why Morrigan might have thought it was so important she didn't really say, did she? Or perhaps she did, if you were listening. Sometimes duty is doing what you're told and sometimes it's doing what you think because you honestly believe it's important.

Edit: formatting

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 mai 2010 - 03:51 .

[Master Shiori]

David Gaider wrote...
Insofar as Morrigan leaving when she's in love with the player, I'll say
this: Morrigan says right from the get go that she sees love as a
weakness. Then she falls in love with you. Did it tempt her to sway from
her mission? No doubt it did --and that would have frightened her more
than anything else, don't you think? It is possible to do what you have
to do even when love is on the line. People who believe otherwise are, I
think, being a little too romantic. And this is why Morrigan told you
from the beginning that it wasn't going to work like you thought it
would. She didn't want to get close, maybe even resented the fact that
she was being sent for that very purpose -- especially when it went
against her very nature. Whether you think she acted like she did
because of or despite that is up to you.

This got me thinking.

Most people seem to asume that because Morrigan left the Warden and told him not to follow that she doesn't want to see him again.

Yet, I cannot stop thinking about the ring epilogue and "sorrow and regret" line.
If Morrigan truly got what she wanted and was ready to put her feelings aside for the sake of this "mission", then why feel regret later?
Acording to her she saved her lovers life, helped him succed in his quest and got the god child like she planned.
According to what she says to the player during the DR and later at the battle of Denerim she has come to term with what must be done and doesn't regret it. If she does actually regret it then why project those thoughts through the ring, where the Warden can sense them and possibly come looking for her as the result?
You'd think that she would disable the ring as soon as she left Denerim to prevent anyone from tracking her down, much less use it to let her former lover know how she feels...
She knows that he chance of him finding her are slim so keeping the ring active just to tell his location doesn't really sound sensible, especialy if the person running away can shapeshift into various animals.

I can't really perceive this as anything other then writers giving us a nudge to go after Morrigan.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 14 mai 2010 - 05:14 .

[Terastar]

I would think the "sorrow" comes from her hurting a friend/lover that she found in you so unexpectally. Remember she even calls Sten a creature not a human or man. She really has very little regard for anyone then here you come along and make everything all topisy turvy for her. I think the "regret" comes from her realizing that she must still fulfill her duty and destiny just as you must fullfil yours and that means you may or may not get to be with each other again. Now Flemith may know more as she may be able to see in the future but it appears that Morrigan may not have that ability or at least not at this time. How does she know what either of your futures will be? I don't for the minute believe that we have heard or seen the last of Morrigan, Flemith or the OG baby but I don't think it would be the entire story arch.

[Master Shiori]

I got that, but why let your former lover know what you're feeling through the ring?



Even if he were able to respect her wishes not to follow after her and was somehow coming to terms with her decision to leave him, feeling her emotions like that would send him straight on her trail.



Morrigan was very clear when she gave that ring to the Warden that she knows how it works and how to disable it when needed. I seriously doubt she'd make a mistake of feeling sorrow and regret with the ring active so that Warden can catch those feelings, unless she wanted him to feel that.

If I were to leave someone and didn't want him/her to find me then I wouldn't give them a ring that allows them to do just that. What's more I wouldn't let them know what I'm feeling if that's guaranteed to make them come running.



Like you said, Morrigan has some destiny that she feels needs to be fullfiled, but it's obvious from her actions (at least to me) that some part of her cannot let go of what she and the Warden had and may even desire to see him again.

[Brockololly]

The whole ring thing is just one of the many little hints that seems like we may get a Morrigan reunion. Its just that there are so many little building blocks that set the foundation for Morrigan and the Warden to potentially get back together that Bioware would be foolish not to capitalize on them, right??



The other thing with Morrigan as far as her being a bit confused emotionally, is many times when you take the more "romantic" or "sappy" dialogue choices with her she'll act all cold and disinterested but yet you look at her approval and it goes up- so like its been mentioned here before, deep down Morrigan has genuine feelings for the Warden and maybe even a part of her wants the idyllic, sunshine and rainbows ending- but for whatever reason and whatever her plans may be, she knows (or thinks) that its not going to end that way with the Warden.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...
The other thing with Morrigan as far as her being a bit confused emotionally, is many times when you take the more "romantic" or "sappy" dialogue choices with her she'll act all cold and disinterested but yet you look at her approval and it goes up- so like its been mentioned here before, deep down Morrigan has genuine feelings for the Warden and maybe even a part of her wants the idyllic, sunshine and rainbows ending- but for whatever reason and whatever her plans may be, she knows (or thinks) that its not going to end that way with the Warden.

Indeed.
And in some instances, agreeing with her about how love is useless for instance and telling her that you don't expect her to love you, makes her dissaprove.

Now obviously that is metagaming to some extent. I don't think characters can calculate how much their companions approve or dissaprove. But it's still telling.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 mai 2010 - 07:02 .

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...

The whole ring thing is just one of the many little hints that seems like we may get a Morrigan reunion. Its just that there are so many little building blocks that set the foundation for Morrigan and the Warden to potentially get back together that Bioware would be foolish not to capitalize on them, right??

The other thing with Morrigan as far as her being a bit confused emotionally, is many times when you take the more "romantic" or "sappy" dialogue choices with her she'll act all cold and disinterested but yet you look at her approval and it goes up- so like its been mentioned here before, deep down Morrigan has genuine feelings for the Warden and maybe even a part of her wants the idyllic, sunshine and rainbows ending- but for whatever reason and whatever her plans may be, she knows (or thinks) that its not going to end that way with the Warden.

I've always loved the ring and the mini-role it plays within the romance subplot. The way she puts up this facade to mask what she really feels is part of her appeal , and this obviously comes through strongly at the end via the ring. The ring ties the warden in with the ongoing Flemeth/Morrigan subplot at the very least which can't be a bad thing. It would have been interesting how players would have reacted to her and the other companions if the approval changes were not immediately fed back to the player.

@Addai  - sure, send me a save  whenever is convenient for you.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 14 mai 2010 - 07:21 .

[Addai]

Terra_Ex wrote...

@Addai  - sure, send me a save  whenever is convenient for you.

I should mention all of mine are with Alistair hardened, and I only have elves and HNF.  Do you have a preference?

[Master Shiori]

Another thing.



In Origins, Morrigan's epilogue gives us clues that we'll probably discover what Morrigan has planned for the god child, yet it never mentions the Warden searching for her.

In Awakening the epilogue says "Warden disappears in Orlais while searching for a dark-haired sorceress. Whether he found her or not nobody knows".



In first epilogue they clearly show us that we'll likely see Morrigan again. No problem here.

In Awakening they let us know in no unceirtain terms that the Warden is searching for her, but not whether he found her.

If he did find her we're likely to play as a Warden again in a future title, since the epilogue leaves that option open.

However, if the reunion is never bound to happen then what is the purpose of giving people hope like this? As long as you plan on bringing back Morrigan the answer to this question is bound to reveal itself and if it turns out the reunion wasn't going to happen then you're left with a lot of fans who'll feel cheated. I can't imagine Bioware throwing us a bone like this unless they honestly plan to deliver.