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[Barbarossa2010]

blademaster7 wrote...

I did a bit more experimenting and guess what. You don't even need to have the ring with you. The romance recognition is even more f***ed up than I thought. The one and only thing that matter is a silly romance flag.

Let me give you an example to show you how messed up the importation is.

Player A: You do everything right. You save Morrigan from Flemeth and build your way up to 100-love. The ring she gives you never leaves your finger. You agree to lay with her during the eve of the final battle. In your eyes that's your last night together, and a romantic one at that. The next day you have a little chat with her which confirms that she's leaving(and removes the romance flag). In your epilogue you find out that she regrets saying that now she's thinking about you "somewhere". You can tell Alistair/Anora that you'll go after her.

Player B: You chose the options in her dialogue that raise her approval. You work your way to 100 approval with gifts and what not. Sleeping with her is not even necessary to get her approval to love AND get her ring. You let Flemeth go and lie to Morrigan. The ring she gave you was sold to Bodhan. During the eve of the final battle you refuse to sleep with her. Instead, you go and convince your best friend Alistair to screw her in your bed. Riordan was nice enough to let you sleep on his couch but Morrigan was making too much noise and you couldn't sleep. The next day you pretty much ignore her and let her go. You tell the king/queen that you want money as a boon and you'll be staying in Denerim.

Player A does not get Morrigan's epilogue in Awakening while Player B will find himself in Orlais looking for her. Nice one Bioware. You really pull it off.

Well done Blademaster. 

So, do the right thing and take the hits and you'll be punished for the effort.  Be indifferent, not care, serve yourself, be a bum of a man, and you're a WINNER.  That's about what I expected!

Thanks again for the effort.

[Arlaen]

I really hope someone will at least acknowledge this problem...



How can Bioware f*** up the most interesting NPC of the game remains a mystery, at least for the time being...

[Arius23]

Has anyone confirmed how to get both the ring ending in origins and the search for morrigan ending in awakening?

[Gennojo Ryuga]

Arius23 wrote...

Has anyone confirmed how to get both the ring ending in origins and the search for morrigan ending in awakening?

My guess is only through console commands.

Once the romance is "ended" any and all flags to get back into it are effectively cut off.  I tried saving specific conversations to get back to romance but they are all cut off.

It's basically the "Regret and Sorrow" origins epilogue or "Head west to Orlais" Awakening epilogue, you can't have both unless you cheat.

[MoSa09]

Gennojo Ryuga wrote...

Arius23 wrote...

Has anyone confirmed how to get both the ring ending in origins and the search for morrigan ending in awakening?

My guess is only through console commands.

Once the romance is "ended" any and all flags to get back into it are effectively cut off.  I tried saving specific conversations to get back to romance but they are all cut off.

It's basically the "Regret and Sorrow" origins epilogue or "Head west to Orlais" Awakening epilogue, you can't have both unless you cheat.

It would just be cool to know if that was done intentional, what i doubt, or a simple bug that was overlooked. And of course, hoe to deal with it, especially for future content where this might prove to be an anoying obstacle to enjoy that content as much as possible

[Gennojo Ryuga]

MoSa09 wrote...

Gennojo Ryuga wrote...

Arius23 wrote...

Has anyone confirmed how to get both the ring ending in origins and the search for morrigan ending in awakening?

My guess is only through console commands.

Once the romance is "ended" any and all flags to get back into it are effectively cut off.  I tried saving specific conversations to get back to romance but they are all cut off.

It's basically the "Regret and Sorrow" origins epilogue or "Head west to Orlais" Awakening epilogue, you can't have both unless you cheat.

It would just be cool to know if that was done intentional, what i doubt, or a simple bug that was overlooked. And of course, hoe to deal with it, especially for future content where this might prove to be an anoying obstacle to enjoy that content as much as possible

For all we know it could have been done intentionally.  Perhaps the conversation that ends it is considered "moving on" and Morrigan regrets what might have been.  Meanwhile not having that conversation leaves an unspoken "we aren't through yet" type of scenario.

I agree though it would be nice if they shed more light on this issue

[MoSa09]

Gennojo Ryuga wrote...

For all we know it could have been done intentionally.  Perhaps the conversation that ends it is considered "moving on" and Morrigan regrets what might have been.  Meanwhile not having that conversation leaves an unspoken "we aren't through yet" type of scenario.

I agree though it would be nice if they shed more light on this issue

i thought about that too, but to me, it doesn't make much sense.

In her farewell speech, she makes clear that this is it, she will be leaving no matter what, and you will never ever see her again. In other words, she is breaking up. Makes sense her approval ratings drops to friendly. I believe the first bug in line is that this drop only happens after you spoke to her again.

The second bug than is that Awakening only checks if your companions are at love or friendship. And understandable error, as it works for all other three options, but still an bug that could be adressed.

But of course, this could have been done on purpose. That's why i would appreciate if someone would post and tell. If this was done on purpose, i would also like to know what is considered to be the perfect save that i need in case there is a carry over, or if both endings will be recogniszed iwhen a reunions really happens.

[Booglarize]

Gennojo Ryuga wrote...

For all we know it could have been done intentionally.  Perhaps the conversation that ends it is considered "moving on" and Morrigan regrets what might have been.  Meanwhile not having that conversation leaves an unspoken "we aren't through yet" type of scenario.

I agree though it would be nice if they shed more light on this issue

Well, the conversation you have with Morrigan didn't really look like "moving on" by any stretch of the imagination - at least from the Warden's point of view (depending on what you choose to say). Then there's the fact that the Warden's decision to go to Orlais should in theory be independent of what Morrigan may or may be feeling, since the Warden would have no clue about it - that is, unless he felt her "regret and sorrow" in which case he knows that she thought of him at least once. Which would make that the logical prelude to the "search for the dark haired witch" thing, as opposed to the one where you don't get that ending.

So, no. I'd say there's virtually no chance that this could have been done intentionally. 

[Brockololly]

It seems like the whole lack of a Morrigan epilogue in Awakening for people that totally completed her romance has to be a bug. The thing is though, when you speak with her after the Ritual and she switched to friend, the game creates a screenshot of the moment with the title "Moving On" and the description is something like "Your relationship with Morrigan did not last."



I guess my whole issue with that is that if that is supposed to be how the romance properly ends in Origins, then that scene should have popped up automatically at some point so that everyone is on the same page moving forward. And ultimately, even if Morrigan breaks it off with the Warden, that shouldn't even influence whether or not your Warden goes off to search for her at the end of Awakening.



As it stands, the romance seems nerfed. If we're fortunate enough to get the ability to carry the Warden forward and romance Morrigan again in a future game, lets hope they get this sorted out.

[Booglarize]

Brockololly wrote...

It seems like the whole lack of a Morrigan epilogue in Awakening for people that totally completed her romance has to be a bug. The thing is though, when you speak with her after the Ritual and she switched to friend, the game creates a screenshot of the moment with the title "Moving On" and the description is something like "Your relationship with Morrigan did not last."

I think that's just an automated thing that happens - I got the same screenshot when I ended a relationship with Morrigan in the more conventional route at camp. Seems to me that it's just a programmed response to the switching of game variables, as opposed to some statement about the significance of that particular conversation. 

[Gennojo Ryuga]

MoSa09 wrote...

Gennojo Ryuga wrote...

For all we know it could have been done intentionally.  Perhaps the conversation that ends it is considered "moving on" and Morrigan regrets what might have been.  Meanwhile not having that conversation leaves an unspoken "we aren't through yet" type of scenario.

I agree though it would be nice if they shed more light on this issue

i thought about that too, but to me, it doesn't make much sense.

In her farewell speech, she makes clear that this is it, she will be leaving no matter what, and you will never ever see her again. In other words, she is breaking up. Makes sense her approval ratings drops to friendly. I believe the first bug in line is that this drop only happens after you spoke to her again.

The second bug than is that Awakening only checks if your companions are at love or friendship. And understandable error, as it works for all other three options, but still an bug that could be adressed.

But of course, this could have been done on purpose. That's why i would appreciate if someone would post and tell. If this was done on purpose, i would also like to know what is considered to be the perfect save that i need in case there is a carry over, or if both endings will be recogniszed iwhen a reunions really happens.

I agree it makes no sense.

You are correct with the farewell speech, it's a clear break up line and relationship drops down to friendship as a result.

What awakening should have done is three checks:

• Were you in a relationship with Morrigan?
• Did the relationship end because of the Dark ritual and her leaving afterwards?
• Did you decide to look for her?

If all aren't true then no "Search for her in Orlais" epilogue.

Now I am no expert in coding this type of thing but this check seems to be simple enough to implement.

I am more inclined to believe this was an unexpected bug in their code to determine if a relationship was active or not.

What I find interesting is that the wiki states that all that is needed is to say you are searching for her and not have anyone join you.  I assume that the wiki is incorrect with this or can anyone confirm it?

Modifié par Gennojo Ryuga, 23 mars 2010 - 04:58 .

[MoSa09]

Gennojo Ryuga wrote...

I agree it makes no sense.

You are correct with the farewell speech, it's a clear break up line and relationship drops down to friendship as a result.

What awakening should have done is three checks:

• Were you in a relationship with Morrigan?
• Did the relationship end because of the Dark ritual and her leaving afterwards?
• Did you decide to look for her?

If all aren't true then no "Search for her in Orlais" epilogue.

Now I am no expert in coding this type of thing but this check seems to be simple enough to implement.

I am more inclined to believe this was an unexpected bug in their code to determine if a relationship was active or not.

Most probably it's an issue no one noticed. The writers passed on their story, and something wrong happened within the coding. No one really noticed cause it ended like it should if you play ou right. And then, again in Awakening, the writers passed on their story, and within the coding, the same error was repeated as the ones did not thought about the plot details and so we have this bug that annoys us all.

Mistakes can happen, especially ones like that, but then just drop a note her: "we investigate, report back once we are done" and everything is fine and no one will complain.

Modifié par MoSa09, 23 mars 2010 - 04:56 .

[blademaster7]

Brockololly wrote...

It seems like the whole lack of a Morrigan epilogue in Awakening for people that totally completed her romance has to be a bug. The thing is though, when you speak with her after the Ritual and she switched to friend, the game creates a screenshot of the moment with the title "Moving On" and the description is something like "Your relationship with Morrigan did not last."

I guess my whole issue with that is that if that is supposed to be how the romance properly ends in Origins, then that scene should have popped up automatically at some point so that everyone is on the same page moving forward. And ultimately, even if Morrigan breaks it off with the Warden, that shouldn't even influence whether or not your Warden goes off to search for her at the end of Awakening.

As it stands, the romance seems nerfed. If we're fortunate enough to get the ability to carry the Warden forward and romance Morrigan again in a future game, lets hope they get this sorted out.

That's what I think as well. She's leaving anyway. Whether you die or live to go after her it doesn't make any difference to her. The "break up" made sense to me.

BUT, a simple approval shift like that made the game act as if nothing ever happend between you and Morrigan. That's just stupid. Just because you break up doesn't mean you don't love each other anymore.

The Warden refuses to stay in Denerim and live as a savior with all the riches that are given to him. Instead he decides to go look for Morrigan, who in return shows him her regret and sorrow though the ring. Sorry, but those two cannot be considered to be just "friends". If anything, they love each other more than ever.

Awakening cannot read a simple save file properly and reflect it into the epilogue. It's definitely an error(or bug if you prefer).

Modifié par blademaster7, 23 mars 2010 - 05:06 .

[Gennojo Ryuga]

MoSa09 wrote...

Gennojo Ryuga wrote...

I agree it makes no sense.

You are correct with the farewell speech, it's a clear break up line and relationship drops down to friendship as a result.

What awakening should have done is three checks:

Were you in a relationship with Morrigan?
Did the relationship end because of the Dark ritual and her leaving afterwards?
Did you decide to look for her?
If all aren't true then no "Search for her in Orlais" epilogue.

Now I am no expert in coding this type of thing but this check seems to be simple enough to implement.

I am more inclined to believe this was an unexpected bug in their code to determine if a relationship was active or not.

Most probably it's an issue no one noticed. The writers passed on their story, and something wrong happened within the coding. No one really noticed cause it ended like it should if you play ou right. And then, again in Awakening, the writers passed on their story, and within the coding, the same error was repeated as the ones did not thought about the plot details and so we have this bug that annoys us all.

Mistakes can happen, especially ones like that, but then just drop a note her: "we investigate, report back once we are done" and everything is fine and no one will complain.

Yea it was probably overlooked and they just rolled with it to meet a deadline.

I agree, I do not like this silence, no word on whether they are looking into it or not.  For all we know they couldn't give a hoot and just don't want to be bothered.  Other games of lesser magnitude get quicker responses and patches to fix bugs, yet a game like Dragon Age gets the cold shoulder?

What I find interesting is that the wiki states that all that is needed is to say you are searching for her and not have anyone join you.  I assume that the wiki is incorrect with this or can anyone confirm it?

Modifié par Gennojo Ryuga, 23 mars 2010 - 05:10 .

[MoSa09]

Gennojo Ryuga wrote...

Yea it was probably overlooked and they just rolled with it to meet a deadline.

I agree, I do not like this silence, no word on whether they are looking into it or not.  For all we know they couldn't give a hoot and just don't want to be bothered.  Other games of lesser magnitude get quicker responses and patches to fix bugs, yet a game like Dragon Age gets the cold shoulder?

What I find interesting is that the wiki states that all that is needed is to say you are searching for her and not have anyone join you.  I assume that the wiki is incorrect with this or can anyone confirm it?

i thinbk the wiki is stating what should have happened. That makes sense. You say you go after her and says you leave the Warden's after Awakening is finished. Sounds like the right trigger for the epilogue, and my guess is that this is exactly like it should have happened and would happen if there was no bug.

Agreed, i'm disappointed they do not drop a note. I mean, Awakening makes no autosave after the final battle, so i can understand if they say "sorry no need to fix that", I can live with that. Just tell us you know about that issue, if it's a bug or not and even if you don't fix it for whatever reasons, once this save will be used again for a new xpac or dlc that you will take care that this won't happen again and everything is fine.

Modifié par MoSa09, 23 mars 2010 - 05:27 .

[Isavald]

As long as the thread stays bumped up and continues to grow I doubt they'll ignore it forever.

Even if this isn't something they intend to / can't fix, I think some explaining is required and what this potentially means for the future of Morrigan romancers. 

[Gennojo Ryuga]

I agree they can't ignore these issues forever.

As someone else mentioned I would hate to play the next installment of Dragon Age and finally find Morrigan, only for her to greet me with "What comes my friend" or something along those lines, like the relationship never existed at all.

I just want the romance to progress without this many hiccups.

Modifié par Gennojo Ryuga, 23 mars 2010 - 06:02 .

[Ceridraen]

I hope they fix it, too. My male noble involved himself with her, but maybe it's being a woman myself, but when she told him not to follow, he just respected that & went on with his life. (If I said, 'don't follow,' I'd mean it, & I'd find it intensely annoying to be followed, and report him as a stalker.) 


Of course, on my elf mage, I did every possible route with Alistair, still twitch at the thought you can't marry him, though you can pick the king... and if I was a human noble female, I'd be having a fit about the 'vanishes without him' issue. So - signed! Fix the Morrigan ending!


I have the ring still on my warrior - and I think I did get the 'she's thinking of him' thing. She obviously loved him. (I never felt he really loved her, sadly - but I did think he admired her & found her funny.) So she's not going to forget him any time soon. Especially if the demon baby looks just like him! (and though it's the god baby, it's his physical baby, which I thought pretty clear - they just provide an alluring vessel - I guess. Has anyone else noticed that none of this is biologically accurate? Oh, well...)

Modifié par Ceridraen, 23 mars 2010 - 05:58 .

[Booglarize]

Isavald wrote...

As long as the thread stays bumped up and continues to grow I doubt they'll ignore it forever.

Even if this isn't something they intend to / can't fix, I think some explaining is required and what this potentially means for the future of Morrigan romancers. 

Well, I don't think they'll be able to answer that question without removing all doubt as to whether your Warden's story continues directly in future DA titles, or whether he/she's replaced by a new protagonist. And somehow, I get the feeling that they haven't decided yet... in any event, I doubt whether we'll be seeing a meaningful response anytime soon (if at all). 

[blademaster7]

Booglarize: Hopefully, they'll start revealing information about that soon. There is a countdown on the main site. I really hope it's an announcement regarding DA2 and ME3.

By the way, I really like the idea of the old-god child having a resemblance to your character(if you import that is).

Morrigan: Those eyes... that look.... stop crying like that foolish child, tis a weakness...

Modifié par blademaster7, 23 mars 2010 - 06:07 .

[MoSa09]

Booglarize wrote...

Well, I don't think they'll be able to answer that question without removing all doubt as to whether your Warden's story continues directly in future DA titles, or whether he/she's replaced by a new protagonist. And somehow, I get the feeling that they haven't decided yet... in any event, I doubt whether we'll be seeing a meaningful response anytime soon (if at all). 

Of course, they can't pop in and say: don't worry, it will be fixed for the reunion.

But at least admit's it's a bug. If you're not sure, drop a note "we check if it's a bug and report that". That won't reveal anything about upcoming or not coming content and will still satisfy customers. At least we know then that they are aware of this and IF there will be a reunion, they what has to be fixed in order for it to work properly

[MoSa09]

blademaster7 wrote...

Booglarize: Hopefully, they'll start revealing information about that soon. There is a countdown on the main site. I really hope it's an announcement regarding DA2 and ME3.

By the way, I really like the idea of the old-god child having a resemblance to your character(if you import that is).

Morrigan: Those eyes... that look.... stop crying like that foolish child, tis a weakness...

That is some kind of double post, i apologize, but the same countdown is on the Mass Effect website too. Whatever is coming our way will be pretty big if it's advertized on both websites. But it could as well be about Mass Effect as about Dragon Age, or maybe a completely new game or IP.

Modifié par MoSa09, 23 mars 2010 - 06:09 .

[blademaster7]

That's why I said DA2 and ME3... what's wrong with announcing them simultaneously?



A six day countdown HAS to be something big.

[MoSa09]

blademaster7 wrote...

That's why I said DA2 and ME3... what's wrong with announcing them simultaneously?

A six day countdown HAS to be something big.

My bad, that's what you get when you just glance at the post.

And who said there is something wrong with announcing both on the same day? As long as they don't announce an xpac where Commander Shepard travels back in time to stop the Blight and fells in love with a mysterious dark haired witch and snatch her to come with him into the future and thereby bugging the Dragon Age experience

Modifié par MoSa09, 23 mars 2010 - 06:23 .

[Isavald]

Booglarize wrote...

Isavald wrote...

As long as the thread stays bumped up and continues to grow I doubt they'll ignore it forever.

Even if this isn't something they intend to / can't fix, I think some explaining is required and what this potentially means for the future of Morrigan romancers. 

Well, I don't think they'll be able to answer that question without removing all doubt as to whether your Warden's story continues directly in future DA titles, or whether he/she's replaced by a new protagonist. And somehow, I get the feeling that they haven't decided yet... in any event, I doubt whether we'll be seeing a meaningful response anytime soon (if at all). 

No, I don't expect them to tell us all that. But they could speak generally about whether they plan on fixing/debugging the consistency of our characters from DAO - Awakening and simply say no if it will not conflict with future content. As to whether morrigan appears again or we change characters is somewhat irrelevant, we know there will be more content, they've already told us that.