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[Brockololly]

Terra_Ex wrote...
There's a Witcher 2!? Apparently I've been
living under a rock for some time, can't believe I've missed that.

Yup- you can see some of the vids here:
I thought the first Witcher was pretty good, but the writing and voice acting (even with the enhanced edition) left a little to be desired. But the 2nd looks very pretty and the plot sounds interesting.

TanisHalfElvin wrote...

Also to add, at this point having finshed both DAO and Awakenings, i am feeling ( and by extension my Warden) no.....allegiance?...kinship?...feelings for? my god baby with Morrigan.It is a point of curiosity only.I certainly do want to know whats up with the baby, and Morrigans plans. But seeing Morrigan and hopefully some scenario involving point 3 or 4 above are my main interest and would equal a definate sale for me from Bioware.

Yeah, I think part of the issue with not feeling much for the Old God Baby yet is that we have zero idea what is going on with it. I'm definitely curious about it and it just seems like too big of a potential plot thread to just introduce and never pick up again. Even if you didn't do the DR, the notion of Morrigan wanting the OGB has still been established and even if its not the focus of the next game, I'd think Bioware would be crazy to not follow through with that.

But then again, as the whole Architect / intelligent darkspawn thing seemed like gold to me before Awakening came out and that whole thing ended up being one heaping pile of "meh." Its all in the execution, I suppose...

[fenderstrat6]

Master Shiori wrote...

Ok, so in effort to get this discusion back on topic:

Suppose we do see a reunion between Morrigan and the Warden in the future, how do you think their story would end and why?
Do you see a tragedy with one or both of them dying? Some sort of limited happines? Would they realize that their relationship wouldn't last and part ways for good?

Personally, I would love to see a similar ending like we had with Viconia in BG2, with Morri and Warden staying together for a time until he leaves for his Calling. A bittersweet, but satisfying end.
Failling that an end that sees Warden sacrifice himself for Morri would also be fulfilling.

                               i'm not good at this master but i'll throw something out there,                                                 the way DAO ended, i would like to see somethjng like a story to take place in a diffierent country or land like most ppl,  going on diffirent adventure's with the warden while he is trying to track down morrigan, an as the story goes on, the warden run's into some of his 3 or 4 closest  companions, an maybe 2 or 3 new one's, an they see after yrs. have gone by that the warden can not an has not let go of the deep love an feelings in his heart for morrigan,  even alistair is moved by this an want's to help out his friend an brother in battle, so u could have diffirent story's going on as they travel though out the game.                                                                                           an close to the end the warden finaly gets some concete new's of morrigan,  he finds out that she is in over her head, an will most certainly die.  facing a powerful adversary  ( flemeth or what ever )  right when morrigan is about to die,  the warden show's up an take's over the battle for his lost love to save her.  the warden is successful ,  but is mortaly wounded, an has only a few at most minutes to live.  while laying on the ground only to look  upon his belove morrigan for the last time,  telling her he only ever loved her an no other.   an smiles at her as he's eye's close. morrigan stuned in disbelieve,  an can not do anything this time to save him, brake's down sobing an knowing tis the only man she realy loved an wanted to be with,  she has to live with the broken heart now for the rest of her live.                                    anyhow something  like that if they cant have the hut an white picket fence an 10 kid.  because my ending is to sad i dont like myself now. 

Modifié par fenderstrat6, 15 mai 2010 - 04:37 .

[tom2504]

I agree Terra . Although Oblivion had some amazing scenery graphic-wise, the long bridge which lead to the imperial city was amazing.

Master Shiori wrote...

Ok, so in effort to get this
discusion back on topic:

Suppose we do see a reunion between
Morrigan and the Warden in the future, how do you think their story
would end and why?
Do you see a tragedy with one or both of them
dying? Some sort of limited happines? Would they realize that their
relationship wouldn't last and part ways for good?

Personally, I
would love to see a similar ending like we had with Viconia in BG2, with
Morri and Warden staying together for a time until he leaves for his
Calling. A bittersweet, but satisfying end.
Failling that an end that
sees Warden sacrifice himself for Morri would also be fulfilling.

If DAO2 does in fact have a Warden continuation option AND will be the last of the Warden's adventures - I'd agree with you and Master Shiori, some sort of sacrifice in order to save Morrigan's life - So long as the Warden and Morrigan end on good terms!

As for Why - Flemeth & The god-baby will no doubt have a big role to play, there are too many theories to be specific about it however.

Would they realize that their
relationship wouldn't last and part ways for good?

I'd cry if that story was implemented . That would be tragic, to say the last - especially if your Warden travelled far and wide to find her in the first place.

On the other hand - Perhaps Morrigan will find him?

Oo0oooooooooooooooooooo0oooo

Modifié par tom2504, 15 mai 2010 - 04:25 .

[Master Shiori]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Failling that an end that sees Warden sacrifice himself for Morri would also be fulfilling.

How about an ending where Morrigan sacrifices herself to save the Warden? Now that would shock me.

Works as well.

Would be truly shocking, although I would preffer my Warden dying over Morrigan. She does have a kid to look after.

[KnightofPhoenix]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Failling that an end that sees Warden sacrifice himself for Morri would also be fulfilling.

How about an ending where Morrigan sacrifices herself to save the Warden? Now that would shock me.

That would actualy be shocking in a good way.

As for the Warden dying for Morrigan. Unless the scenario is written really really well, I don't see my Cousland making that choice.

[Barbarossa2010]

Ah tragedy, upon tragedy, upon.... No thanks, my Cousland has suffered enough with the loss of his family and forced conscription in the GWs and the subsequent death sentence.



If that didn't make Gaider happy, then no amount of suffering and tragedy will. My Cousland has turned his back on the world created for him.



He's off on his own, seeking a worthy death. But thousand of Darkspawn, bandits and ne'er do wells will fall before he meets his Maker.



Of course, his alter persona is interred at Weisshaupt; that Cousland just thought it prudent to go ahead and get his "tragedy" out of the way early as opposed to waiting for the plot gods to drag out the inevitable.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 15 mai 2010 - 06:04 .

[Swoo]

Master Shiori wrote...

Ok, so in effort to get this discusion back on topic:

Suppose we do see a reunion between Morrigan and the Warden in the future, how do you think their story would end and why?
Do you see a tragedy with one or both of them dying? Some sort of limited happines? Would they realize that their relationship wouldn't last and part ways for good?

Personally, I would love to see a similar ending like we had with Viconia in BG2, with Morri and Warden staying together for a time until he leaves for his Calling. A bittersweet, but satisfying end.
Failling that an end that sees Warden sacrifice himself for Morri would also be fulfilling.

See, that's a horribly tough one to even answer without even knowing what's going to go on in the next game. I personally would like the option to have, based on old and new decisions, to either have it end well (or as well as it can possibly go), or also end in a horribly, bloody mess. Surest way to get yourself killed in olden times is to mess with religion, and a new prophet/godspawn? Oh yeah, no waves at all.

I suppose the coolest idea I could think of (which would never happen), would be you meet up with her in DA2. If the chips fall right, you link back up with her and the kid. Over the course of the game you have a chance to influence the kid (slightly, or moreso) with conversations and your actions, balanced by Morrigans. And by the end of the game Morrigan and the PC get Plot Boulder'd of Doom. They dissapear together, and your set up in the third one with a 'premade' OGB with some personality already developed for him.

That's just off the fly, it may sound horribly stupid even to me in a few. I dunno. As much as I know it won't ever have a 'happy home' ending (which really, if you want that Chantry-Girl is probably more your style), but I also think it doesn't have to end with someone in the ground. The whole basis of Dark Fantasy is there is nothing you don't have to bleed for, but it doesn't say you can't get what you want. Just that it's going to be hard, and brutal along the way. You can get a 'happy' ending without really getting a 'good' one.

As an aside, Notes of Arl Foreshadow. Was looking over them for the other topic and connected it with the Blood Mage topic, who wonders if perhaps the third one is the best bet at seeing our Witch again? It has to do with possible survivors of Arlathan who after a little digging I'm almost positive achieved the Elvish Immortality through their powers of Blood Magic (that they were forced into teaching the Teventir after being absorbed as a slave-caste post-battle). Morrigan doesn't seem to have any desire whatsoever to go down the abomination route, or any other type of 'cruder' possession, but she does know Blood Magic, and who doesn't want to live forever? Factor in that that whole loop of Pre-Chantry power (Teventirs-Elves-various smaller/unaffiliated Blood Magi) all had HEAVY links to the Old Gods in servitude and praise...It would seem a smart choice to head if one was looking for power/structure to a fledgling, exposed baby diety.

[Master Shiori]

@Swoo



I like your idea of Morrigan wanting to achieve immortality.



Although I think her real plans are a tad bit more complicated then that, but without having any idea what she really wants anything we come up with could be possible.

[Terra_Ex]

tom2504 wrote...

I agree Terra [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]. Although Oblivion had some amazing scenery graphic-wise, the long bridge which lead to the imperial city was amazing.

Oblivion's beauty first hits you the moment you emerge from sewer/prison and see that lake stretch out before your eyes. Really impressive when it was first released

Swoo wrote...

As an aside, Notes of Arl Foreshadow. Was
looking over them for the other topic and connected it with the Blood
Mage topic, who wonders if perhaps the third one is the best bet at
seeing our Witch again? It has to do with possible survivors of Arlathan
who after a little digging I'm almost positive achieved the Elvish
Immortality through their powers of Blood Magic (that they were forced
into teaching the Teventir after being absorbed as a slave-caste
post-battle). Morrigan doesn't seem to have any desire whatsoever to go
down the abomination route, or any other type of 'cruder' possession,
but she does know Blood Magic, and who doesn't want to live forever?
Factor in that that whole loop of Pre-Chantry power
(Teventirs-Elves-various smaller/unaffiliated Blood Magi) all had
HEAVY links to the Old Gods in servitude and praise...It would seem a
smart choice to head if one was looking for power/structure to a
fledgling, exposed baby diety.

Interesting thoughts
on the notes and of course another reason why she should return in the
future.


Anyways, here's two more now working catfights to appease the masses, and people say they want to ditch the origins cast already...

Morri wins:





Leli wins:



Got a few more to verify and then I need to test the fixed Alistair banter, then I'll probably release v1.0.10 with these banter fixes. I'll leave the Greagoir fixes out for now as I'm mid-way through fixing that up.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 15 mai 2010 - 08:07 .

[Swoo]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
How about an ending where Morrigan sacrifices herself to save the Warden? Now that would shock me.

I could live with that as long as it was an option and wasn't a forced cutscene. It would be about perfect completion of a character's arc to go from self-serving, pragmatic, and detatched to grow to a point where you would give the most you could give for someone else because of feelings. Just speaking in a general sense of growth and all, of course. If there HAD to be deaths, I'd rather they go down together.

I'd also like to point out that my whole 'happy/good' ending and such, I think everyone here knows that even if they do get back together, there is a 99% chance that within 20 years (ish) the Warden goes to die, or ends bloody. So my point is in game and for a time afterwards, they can still give you a 'happy' ending that doesn't close idyllic with butterflies and sheeet.

Although I think her real plans are a tad bit more complicated then
that, but without having any idea what she really wants anything we come
up with could be possible.

Absolutely, it just seems the only thing that makes sense at the moment with given information. The first two bits of Arl's note seem blatantly Awakenings tip-offs. The third either makes sense as Velanna's story that was changed since the note was made, or ties in best with all available characters with Morrigan and the OGB.

Also to add, at this point having finshed both DAO and Awakenings, i am
feeling ( and by extension my Warden)
no.....allegiance?...kinship?...feelings for? my god baby with
Morrigan.It is a point of curiosity only.I certainly do want to know
whats up with the baby, and Morrigans plans. But seeing Morrigan and
hopefully some scenario involving point 3 or 4 above are my main
interest and would equal a definate sale for me from Bioware.

The 'problem' right now is [OGB] is just an ideal and not a person to us at the moment. The moment you can see him or her in game the whole dynamic probably will change drastically, but as it stands right now it's hard to get attatched to philosophical and religious connections and probable changes based from him, instead of any paternal links. I personally find the idea a bit exciting of helping shape him for future grooming based on my actions in the second game for somewhere down the road, be it a story-NPC, a party-NPC, or a PC. I'd like that, and it wouldn't have to be any mommy/daddy sappy butting of heads. It would be PC: This is what it means to be human, Morrigan: This is what it means to be God. And in the end, what did you teach him?

Damn, I should go pitch to Peter Molyneaux.

The biggest thing we can all agree on is it just HAS to be dealt with, and anything other than the ones with the original, personal connections doing it is just flat out uninteresting.

[Master Shiori]

@Swoo

That's why there isn't truly a happy ending for a romance between Morrigan and the Warden. The best they could hope for are a few years of happiness.
Still it's the thought of being able to snatch these few years that makes me all the more willing to go through anything and pay any price in order to get them.

Also, I would love to see Morrigan's reaction if she felt through the ring that the time of Warden's calling has arrived and he's departing for the Deep Roads.
I wonder what her expresion would be like the moment she felt his life has ended?
Would she mourn him? Feel regret for all the years they could have spent together? How would that change her as a person?

@Terra

Is that second video for when the player chooses Leliana over Morrigan?

Great work onrestoring those banters. Looking forward to trying them out.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 15 mai 2010 - 08:32 .

[Terra_Ex]

Swoo wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
How about an ending where Morrigan sacrifices herself to save the Warden? Now that would shock me.

I could live with that as long as it was an option and wasn't a forced cutscene. It would be about perfect completion of a character's arc to go from self-serving, pragmatic, and detatched to grow to a point where you would give the most you could give for someone else because of feelings. Just speaking in a general sense of growth and all, of course. If there HAD to be deaths, I'd rather they go down together.

Agreed, that ending I could live with.

Swoo wrote...
I'd also like to point out that my whole 'happy/good' ending and such, I think everyone here knows that even if they do get back together, there is a 99% chance that within 20 years (ish) the Warden goes to die, or ends bloody. So my point is in game and for a time afterwards, they can still give you a 'happy' ending that doesn't close idyllic with butterflies and sheeet.

I'm torn on this one, on the one hand it'd be interesting to see how the warden/a warden would handle the calling within the game, conversely it'd be a nice twist for him/her to cheat death once again, something I think was hinted at in the Warden's Keep dlc with Avernus.

Swoo wrote...
The 'problem' right now is [OGB] is just an ideal and not a person to us at the moment. The moment you can see him or her in game the whole dynamic probably will change drastically, but as it stands right now it's hard to get attatched to philosophical and religious connections and probable changes based from him, instead of any paternal links. I personally find the idea a bit exciting of helping shape him for future grooming based on my actions in the second game for somewhere down the road, be it a story-NPC, a party-NPC, or a PC. I'd like that, and it wouldn't have to be any mommy/daddy sappy butting of heads. It would be PC: This is what it means to be human, Morrigan: This is what it means to be God. And in the end, what did you teach him?

Damn, I should go pitch to Peter Molyneaux.

The biggest thing we can all agree on is it just HAS to be dealt with, and anything other than the ones with the original, personal connections doing it is just flat out uninteresting.

Could be an interesting aspect of a future game - depends on how its implemented however.

Molyneux hasn't managed to deliver on his lofty promises since Populous 2. He does try hard though

Master Shiori wrote...
@Terra

Is that second video for
when the player chooses Leliana over Morrigan?

The scene is triggered if the player is male & romancing Leli. It branches to scene 1 if the player is romancing Morrigan. If there is no active romance with Morri, it goes to scene 2. The Morri one is probably the best Leli/Morri exchange in the game 

EDIT: fixing horrendous typo fest :-(

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 15 mai 2010 - 09:23 .

[Barbarossa2010]

[quote]Terra_Ex wrote...

Oblivion's beauty first hits you the moment you emerge from sewer/prison and see that lake stretch out before your eyes. Really impressive when it was first released [quote]


I've just reached that point after fighting rats in the dungeon.  Wow, it's actually very scenic.  I came out of the dungeon at night (I assume that is default) and there is a lot of texture and depth...then I got attacked by crabs or something.  I have sat the game aside for awhile to finish my second ME2 playthrough, but I just wanted to get started to see what it was like.  I turned and went into the city right behind the dungeon exit.  Interesting.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 15 mai 2010 - 08:58 .

[blademaster7]

Terra_Ex wrote...

The scene is triggered is the player is male & romancing Leli. It branches to scene 1 is the player is romancing Morrigan. If there is no active romance with Morri, it goes to scene 2. The Morri one is probably the best Leli/Morri exchange in the game 

My new favorite banter.

I suppose he must like your shrieking, you sound like a genlock being
murdered--a sweet, sweet sound to a Grey Warden.
You should try a little harder next time he takes you. I don't think
they heard you in the Anderfels.


Damn! Just how much did she ****** her of in order to say that? And then she threatens her with "drastic measures"... lol

[Addai]

blademaster7 wrote...


I suppose he must like your shrieking, you sound like a genlock being
murdered--a sweet, sweet sound to a Grey Warden.
You should try a little harder next time he takes you. I don't think
they heard you in the Anderfels.


Damn! Just how much did she ****** her of in order to say that? And then she threatens her with "drastic measures"... lol

Is that Morrigan to Leliana?  ROFL  I love Morri, I really do.    She also has the best comeuppance lines for Wynne.

[blademaster7]

No, that's Leliana. Surprising isn't it?



I'm assuming you're referring to the banter where you can unlock after you get Wynne's "you're quite taken with each other"? Yeah, Morrigan brings it up

[Terra_Ex]

blademaster, do you remember if Leliana's banter "It's nice to see you two together. Love is such a wonderful thing, isn't it?" triggers in the game normally? There's a particular branch in the conversation where Morri gets in a extra poke at Leli if the warden chose to dump leli in the confrontation. I need to be sure the basic conversation actually triggers first though.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 15 mai 2010 - 09:33 .

[blademaster7]

It works fine. I don't know about the alternate branch though(Leliana dumped).



The weird thing about this banter is that it triggers even if Leliana's romance is active. If you have gotten that far(Morrigan at love) then I assume you have already gotten the "ultimatum" speech, so it's ok. If you evaded it(or used the cheap mirror trick), then you'll have the banter firing of when both are in love.

[Master Shiori]

Terra_Ex wrote...

blademaster, do you remember if Leliana's banter "It's nice to see you two together. Love is such a wonderful thing, isn't it?" triggers in the game normally? There's a particular branch in the conversation where Morri gets in a extra poke at Leli if the warden chose to dump leli in the confrontation. I need to be sure the basic conversation actually triggers first though.

I can confirm that it does trigger.

If that's the banter that ends with Morrigan saying "Let me tell you one thing then we shall speak of this no more" and then goes on to rant about love being a disease.

[Terra_Ex]

Ah, thanks for confirming that, Shiori. That is indeed the banter I'm referring to.

blademaster7 wrote...

It works fine. I don't know about
the alternate branch though(Leliana dumped).

The weird thing
about this banter is that it triggers even if Leliana's romance is
active. If you have gotten that far(Morrigan at love) then I assume you
have already gotten the "ultimatum" speech, so it's ok. If you evaded
it(or used the cheap mirror trick), then you'll have the banter firing
of when both are in love.

Like you say, if the leli romance
is active it triggers anyway... I could change it BUT that would mean
having to include party_ran_banter.dlg in the mod as well... The ultimatum speech should have come up prior to this so I think I'll leave it as is, rather than making a custom party_ran_banter.dlg for this one minor issue.

I highly doubt that leli dumped branch is functional, thats what I'm gonna test now.

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 15 mai 2010 - 09:52 .

[blademaster7]

I don't really like how it works tbh.



If you're romancing both and you happen to choose Morrigan, the banter goes from "Morrigan you're a b!tch" to ""It's nice to see you two together."



It's something Bioware needs to look up for future games. Maybe they should have added a "leliana_hates_morrigan" flag that prevents that kind of banter from playing.



Just a thought.

[blademaster7]

Terra_Ex wrote...

Ah, thanks for confirming that, Shiori. That is indeed the banter I'm referring to.

blademaster7 wrote...

It works fine. I don't know about
the alternate branch though(Leliana dumped).

The weird thing
about this banter is that it triggers even if Leliana's romance is
active. If you have gotten that far(Morrigan at love) then I assume you
have already gotten the "ultimatum" speech, so it's ok. If you evaded
it(or used the cheap mirror trick), then you'll have the banter firing
of when both are in love.

Like you say, if the leli romance
is active it triggers anyway... I could change it BUT that would mean
having to include party_ran_banter.dlg in the mod as well... The ultimatum speech should have come up prior to this so I think I'll leave it as is, rather than making a custom party_ran_banter.dlg for this one minor issue.

I highly doubt that leli dumped branch is functional, thats what I'm gonna test now.

Why would you change it? If someone is greedy enough not to trigger the ultimatum speech or cheating to have both romances active then he deserves to get the wrong banter. HA!

[Terra_Ex]

blademaster7 wrote...

I don't really like how it works tbh.

If you're romancing both and you happen to choose Morrigan, the banter goes from "Morrigan you're a b!tch" to ""It's nice to see you two together."

It's something Bioware needs to look up for future games. Maybe they should have added a "leliana_hates_morrigan" flag that prevents that kind of banter from playing.

Just a thought.

Are you referring to a specific singular dialogue branch or speaking generally?