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[RogueWriter3201]

Brockololly wrote...

Went through and read the VA notes for the Ritual scene and some of the other Morrigan ones. Here are a bunch of the more interesting ones. Make of them what you will:
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*DR scene*

Morrigan: After this is done, you allow me to walk away... and you do not follow. Ever. The child will be mine to raise as I wish. (VA note: firm- there is no negotiation on this point)

Morrigan: Allow me to say that what I seek is the essence of the Old God that once was and not the dark forces that corrupted it. (VA notes: she is not telling him everything-- she is talking very carefully)

Morrigan: Some things are worth preserving in this world. Make of that what you will. (VA note: enigmatic)

Morrigan: The child will represent freedom for an ancient power, a chance to be reborn apart from the taint. Is that not reason enough to do it? (VA note: she doesn't think the player could ever understand it really, but there it is)

Morrigan: I will raise the child apart from the rest of society, and teach it to respect that from which it came. Beyond that you need know nothing else. (VA note: this is as much as she is willing to say-- very begrudging)

Morrigan: Caring for you as I've come to... that was not part of the plan. (VA note: she is reluctant to admit her true feelings)

Morrigan: After the archdemon has been slain? No. No, you will never see me again.( VA note: this hurts her, too, but she will never admit it)

Morrigan: Refuse my offer, however, and I leave now. This is... simply how it must be. (VA note: reluctant, this hurts him as much as it hurts her)
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*This is the scene where you come back after trying to convince Alistair or Loghain to do the DR*

PC: Morrigan, I don't want to lose you.

Morrigan: Don't be a fool. I am already lost. (VA note: she says this gently, almost with exasperation-- she loves the player but this is already done)

Morrigan: This must be done. For your sake, as well as my own. I... I told you that this could not be, did I not? (VA note: she falls apart a little-- she is in love with the player even though it can never be)

Morrigan: Go. Do  what you must. ( VA note: Her heart is breaking here, and she cuts him off)
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* the dialogue when she gives the PC the ring*

PC: So I could find you, if need be?
Morrigan: I... do not know. As I said, I never tested it. Perhaps. (VA note: uncertain, maybe even a little bothered by the idea)

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*The gates of Denerim convo, if you take her into your party*

PC: I will find you Morrigan. I swear it.
Morrigan: I do not think that would be wise. (VA note: grim)

PC: I was hoping you might have changed your mind.
Morrigan: It... is tempting. You do not know how much. But, no. That would not be wise. (VA notes: heartbroken, but she won't let love dictate her actions)

Morrigan: Sigh Allow me to say only one thing before we go. (VA note: taking a deep breath-- she is about to say something that she has been rehearsing in her head, her emotions are very strong here)

Morrigan: I was foolish. This could have been so much easier, yet I... cannot regret what was between us. (VA note: she fell in love when she shouldn't have)

Morrigan: I will always remember you...my love. (VA note: this isn;t easy for her to say -- but she feels she has to say it, at the same time she is heartbroken)
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*If you leave Morrigan at the gates of Denerim*

PC: I love you Morrigan.
Morrigan: And so you... make it difficult for me, do you? ( VA note: she didn't want to say goodbye like this-- near tears and she HATES displays of emotion)

Morrigan: Go, slay the archdemon. Live long and well... my love. (VA note: this is very hard for her to say-- she will never see him again)
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*After killing Flemeth and giving her the Grimoire*

PC: I will always protect you Morrigan.
Morrigan: I... you should not be so... you have no idea what will happen in days to come, to make such promises. (VA notes: she was not expecting this response--she knows she is lying to the player and will eventually have to betray him. To have him declare his feelings really throws her.)

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*Last conversation when asking about last night- these aren't in any particular order*

Morrigan: I... yes. If it shall make this easier... then yes, that is all it was. An entanglement and nothing more.(VA note: her facade is cracking here-- she does care deeply for the player, she just can't let her feelings get in the way)

PC: If thats what you really want.
Morrigan: It is. What happens now happens because destiny demands it. (VA note: grim)

* I think this one is rather interesting...*

Morrigan: What was done had to be done. I regret it not. Let us not complicate matters further.(VA note: firm)
PC: If that is what you really want.
Morrigan: It is. You have no idea. (VA note: intense-- he REALLY has no idea)
Morrigan: But let us not forget that you got something out of this, as well. Your life. (VA note: crisp)
Morrigan: If you wish to spend that life being resentful of me, by all means. But it lasts only so long as the child inside me does. (VA note: crisp)
Morrigan: Now let us finish this and be done. (VA note: said with a ring of finality)
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SO, whats the take home message with all of this? I have no clue- we just need E3 to get here soon cause I'd like to know whether or not this speculation is all for naught when Gaider and crew  dictate DA2 has a new hero and we never see Morrigan again:crying:

This is *Amazing*, Brock. Thanks for posting all of this. Now, I do have some questions though, so hopefully you folks will indulge me. I keep it straight to bullet points:

-Does all of this mean Morrigan was lying about Flemeth's intentions? (Cause I never really got that impression, Mori seemed sincerely afraid) Does it mean we killed Flemeth when we didn't have to?

-Does any of this mean Morrigan was lying about the Dark Ritual? We know it will produce a God baby, but Morri tells you the Child would not be born Evil; a Lie?

-Does this indicate Gaider's intention to have the Warden *not* return for DA2? (Too much evidence indicates the Warden will return, the foremost being the massive changes made to Awakening to facilitate our Warden coming back, as opposed to just going with the original protaganist, the Orlesian Warden. However, there is *some* evidence that Gaider is going to kick us in the Wabows and make it new character only)

[Swoo]

glenboy24 wrote...

This is *Amazing*, Brock. Thanks for posting all of this. Now, I do have some questions though, so hopefully you folks will indulge me. I keep it straight to bullet points:

-Does all of this mean Morrigan was lying about Flemeth's intentions? (Cause I never really got that impression, Mori seemed sincerely afraid) Does it mean we killed Flemeth when we didn't have to?

-Does any of this mean Morrigan was lying about the Dark Ritual? We know it will produce a God baby, but Morri tells you the Child would not be born Evil; a Lie?

-Does this indicate Gaider's intention to have the Warden *not* return for DA2? (Too much evidence indicates the Warden will return, the foremost being the massive changes made to Awakening to facilitate our Warden coming back, as opposed to just going with the original protaganist, the Orlesian Warden. However, there is *some* evidence that Gaider is going to kick us in the Wabows and make it new character only)

My takes on these, and I look forward to what the other posters put forth. 

-I think the information she gave us about Flemeth was legit, and the outrage was as well. I also think there were miles of unspoken things left unsaid - that probably needed to be said - that some would count as a lie. To the second part, Flemeth adopted, raised, and then basically killed her children for the past however many hundreds of years. Whether Morrigan was on the up and up with us or not, I think she had it coming. As to having to kill her or not, she made it pretty clear she (Flemeth) wasn't all that interested in us. We could just walk away from the entire mess, or pick a fight, whichever whatever just hurry up and make a choice Warden.

-Recurring theme, but I believe she told the truth in what little she told us. The child won't be born evil, but it could very well grow up to be such. No way of telling right now, and it's one of the big things I'm hoping for in the next game; a chance to reuinite with the two of them and influence this somewhat.

-Hah, not a clue. I'm praying, but we just don't know. And I've said it before, but I'm not trusting Bioware to not pull a little misdirection to make us look a few different ways as the game closes in much like they did in ME2.

[Brockololly]

glenboy24 wrote...

-Does all of this mean Morrigan was lying about Flemeth's intentions? (Cause I never really got that impression, Mori seemed sincerely afraid) Does it mean we killed Flemeth when we didn't have to?

I'm not so sure. As others have said, I don't think Morrigan was straight up lying about the whole body snatching thing. Was she telling the whole truth though? I'm skeptical. Probably she learned Flemeth did indeed have designs on her in some capacity and she felt the need to enlist the Warden's help. The Robes of Posession would seem to indicate she was telling the truth, but then you've got that VO note saying Morrigan is lying. Certainly Flemeth's reaction and some  of the banter between Morrigan and the other party members  (Zevran, Shale) makes it seem like maybe Morrigan was just scheming this all along. Only Gaider knows....

glenboy24 wrote...
-Does any of this mean Morrigan was lying about the Dark Ritual? We know it will produce a God baby, but Morri tells you the Child would not be born Evil; a Lie?

Again, I doubt Morrigan straight up lied to the PC. But did she tell him everything? Hell no. And I'd wager there is a good amount of stuff she didn't tell about the DR and her plans to the PC. She figures that all he needs to know is that the DR lets the Warden survive- isn't that good enough? 

glenboy24 wrote...
-Does this indicate Gaider's intention to have the Warden *not* return for DA2? (Too much evidence indicates the Warden will return, the foremost being the massive changes made to Awakening to facilitate our Warden coming back, as opposed to just going with the original protaganist, the Orlesian Warden. However, there is *some* evidence that Gaider is going to kick us in the Wabows and make it new character only)

Thats the trouble with the VO note- their intention is to help the VA get a sense of the tone and feel for the dialogue and scene. I'm not sure we should really read too much into them beyond that. Certainly some the notes that proclaim finality and heartbreak with the MOrrigan and the Warden makes it seem like they'll never reunite, but only Gaider knows...

Swoo wrote...

Whoa, what the hell?

Morrigan: If you wish to spend that life being resentful of me, by all means. But it lasts only so long as the child inside me does.

I don't remember this at all. And people say that there's no real reason to continue playing the OG character or a Warden even. /snort

I know, right? This one line threw me for a loop as I had never seen it before. Apparently though it only triggers if you're not romancing Morrigan  *Sigh* I will be so disappointed if the Warden doesn't come back...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

I have a question - in BG, what happens if you romanced someone other than Viconia? Do their romances
continue in the sequal or are they ignored?

What happens with Viconia if you don't romance her?

Ahh yes, nostalgia time. Here is the link to the BG epilogue slide for Viconia's romance ending: 

The Viconia non-romance ending:

And here is one of the Throne of Bhaal endings- posted because its just so freakin' awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s63PJs2ZijY

As for the other romances, in BG2 then the ex-pack throne of Bhaal, the romances were all continued and had their own unique endings ( none of which were too depressing- Viconia's was the most depressing I guess.)

Man, I'd forgotten just how awesome the music for Baldur's Gate was. Great stuff. And the BG narrator guy is awesome. I'd love to hear him or Duncan's VA be the narrator for future DA games.

Modifié par Brockololly, 17 mai 2010 - 02:58 .

[Terra_Ex]

Swoo wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

This is *Amazing*, Brock. Thanks for posting all of this. Now, I do have some questions though, so hopefully you folks will indulge me. I keep it straight to bullet points:

-Does all of this mean Morrigan was lying about Flemeth's intentions? (Cause I never really got that impression, Mori seemed sincerely afraid) Does it mean we killed Flemeth when we didn't have to?

-Does any of this mean Morrigan was lying about the Dark Ritual? We know it will produce a God baby, but Morri tells you the Child would not be born Evil; a Lie?

-Does this indicate Gaider's intention to have the Warden *not* return for DA2? (Too much evidence indicates the Warden will return, the foremost being the massive changes made to Awakening to facilitate our Warden coming back, as opposed to just going with the original protaganist, the Orlesian Warden. However, there is *some* evidence that Gaider is going to kick us in the Wabows and make it new character only)

My takes on these, and I look forward to what the other posters put forth. 

-I think the information she gave us about Flemeth was legit, and the outrage was as well. I also think there were miles of unspoken things left unsaid - that probably needed to be said - that some would count as a lie. To the second part, Flemeth adopted, raised, and then basically killed her children for the past however many hundreds of years. Whether Morrigan was on the up and up with us or not, I think she had it coming. As to having to kill her or not, she made it pretty clear she (Flemeth) wasn't all that interested in us. We could just walk away from the entire mess, or pick a fight, whichever whatever just hurry up and make a choice Warden.

-Recurring theme, but I believe she told the truth in what little she told us. The child won't be born evil, but it could very well grow up to be such. No way of telling right now, and it's one of the big things I'm hoping for in the next game; a chance to reuinite with the two of them and influence this somewhat.

-Hah, not a clue. I'm praying, but we just don't know. And I've said it before, but I'm not trusting Bioware to not pull a little misdirection to make us look a few different ways as the game closes in much like they did in ME2.

Morri may have embellished what she found in the grimoire, but in the scenes that the mod restores, her concern/fear/anger if you let Flemeth live seem pretty genuine. I noticed that VO note attached to Flemeth's speech a while back but didn't think a great deal of it - there's not enough info in that one line to draw any kind of finite conclusion. The extent of whatever lie/half-truth Morri told the PC (if any) is not currently known.

As Shiori stated - it may be outdated, trying to piece together the plot through elements of toolset notes may well be an exercise in futility, particularly if parts of the Morrigan plot line were altered during production.

Swoo wrote...
Whoa, what the hell?

Morrigan:
If you wish to spend that life being resentful of me, by all means.
But it lasts only so long as the child
inside me does.

I
don't remember this at all. And people say that there's no real
reason to continue playing the OG character or a Warden even. /snort

Indeed,
I can't remember this line myself but I have heard others talk about
it, very interesting nonetheless, is this another potential death sentence imposed on the warden.

[Addai]

glenboy24 wrote...

Morrigan: If you wish to spend that life being resentful of me, by all means. But it lasts only so long as the child inside me does. (VA note: crisp)

I asked about this line in another Morrigan thread because it was a head-spinner to me, too.  It made me wonder if Morrigan was hinting at a blood magic connection between the Warden and the child.  I heard this line on a female PC, where Alistair was the father, however.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 mai 2010 - 03:29 .

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

Morrigan: If you wish to spend that life being resentful of me, by all means. But it lasts only so long as the child inside me does. (VA note: crisp)

I asked about this line in another Morrigan thread because it was a head-spinner to me, too.  It made me wonder if Morrigan was hinting at a blood magic connection between the Warden and the child.  I heard this line on a female PC, where Alistair was the father, however.

Yeah this line only triggers if you did not romance Morrigan or rather you were not in love with her. As for what it exactly means... I'm at a loss. Does this imply the Warden's life is somehow tied to the Old God Baby? Kind of like Witherfang and Zathrian?

[Ash Wind]

Nice work on the Quotes Broc... it’s interesting to see them presented in this fashion and the actor's instructions give a little better insight into how much Morrigan might have been falling apart emotionally at this stage (if in love).



“ Morrigan: If you wish to spend that life being resentful of me, by all means. But it lasts only so long as the child inside me does. (VA note: crisp) ”

That makes one do a double-take. I’ve never seen it. It would be an interesting DA:2 plot point if the Warden’s lifeforce were tied to his offspring in this matter. It would cause you to protect it… although if it turns out to be evil, it could just be a ripoff of the whole Archdemon requires a sacrifice to kill (i.e. kill BOG = kill yourself).



“ Morrigan: Some things are worth preserving in this world. Make of that what you will. (VA note: enigmatic) “

This is the one line in the DR that drives me crazy. She's supposed to be trying to convince the PC into this course of action (whether its the PC, Loghain or Ali) and this type of dialogue just doesn’t fit the bill. Enigmatic is a grandiose understatement. Its easy to understand the near universal frustration with the DR. Subtlety is an art that is missing there.



All in all, I think I am coming in off the ledge. I think a lot of the talk coming from BW is just a smokescreen and or misdirection regarding DA:2 and the continuing storyline. Though I have little more than a feeling to base this on, a) Morrigan is an intriguing character, and much went into the creating of her character, I cannot see it being a one game character and it’s really the only thing from DA:O that is unresolved. I don’t think, or want it, to be the main plot of DA:2, it could be an interesting part of the sequel.

[Swoo]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah this line only triggers if you did not romance Morrigan or rather you were not in love with her. As for what it exactly means... I'm at a loss. Does this imply the Warden's life is somehow tied to the Old God Baby? Kind of like Witherfang and Zathrian?

I would think that it means that the OGB didn't just take the Dragon's soul but a piece of your own as well. Witherfang and Zathrian can exist with one dead - just no longer immortal, or slow aging, whichever it is - I would think however that perhaps the DR didn't actually spare you from the instant death of cleansing an archdemon, it merely put it on pause. The energy misdirected to the kid, if the kid bites it, energy instantly zips to it's originating destination [you] and pow, kaplowie, right to the moon Alice. Ultimate Sacrifice v.2?

[Addai]

Swoo wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah this line only triggers if you did not romance Morrigan or rather you were not in love with her. As for what it exactly means... I'm at a loss. Does this imply the Warden's life is somehow tied to the Old God Baby? Kind of like Witherfang and Zathrian?

I would think that it means that the OGB didn't just take the Dragon's soul but a piece of your own as well. Witherfang and Zathrian can exist with one dead - just no longer immortal, or slow aging, whichever it is - I would think however that perhaps the DR didn't actually spare you from the instant death of cleansing an archdemon, it merely put it on pause. The energy misdirected to the kid, if the kid bites it, energy instantly zips to it's originating destination [you] and pow, kaplowie, right to the moon Alice. Ultimate Sacrifice v.2?

Or does Morrigan just want you to think that, in case you try to threaten her or her child's life?

[Brockololly]

Ash Wind wrote..

All in all, I think I am coming in off the ledge. I think a lot of the talk coming from BW is just a smokescreen and or misdirection regarding DA:2 and the continuing storyline. Though I have little more than a feeling to base this on, a) Morrigan is an intriguing character, and much went into the creating of her character, I cannot see it being a one game character and it’s really the only thing from DA:O that is unresolved. I don’t think, or want it, to be the main plot of DA:2, it could be an interesting part of the sequel.

Its funny though. If you just go around the internet and peek in various forums or look at comments regarding Dragon Age, almost invariably one of the first things to come up is Morrigan and the Old God Baby. BioWare would be nuts to either marginalize that plot thread or to just sit on it for too long. You've got people's attention now BioWare, but if you wait too long people will stop caring.

I'm hoping that some of the wishy washy talk from Gaider and the devs is just a smokescreen of sorts. Kind of how BioWare played all coy after releasing the ME2 teaser trailer that showed Shepard as KIA. Cue people freaking out and thinking Shepard was turned into a geth...sheesh. Yet again, I could see DA turning out like Neverwinter Nights too- switching PCs through the games. I just wish we knew what BioWare's roadmap was for future DA games instead of being left in the dark.

I'm almost positive we'll see something at E3 though. Considering most games scheduled to come out for the early part of next year have already had a reveal (Dead Space 2, The Witcher 2, Gears of War 3 to name a few), I'd be really surprised if we do not see any Dragon Age stuff at E3. Although, the longer we do not hear anything the more its possible it could be an expansion pack and not the next big thing. Then again, EA lists the "Dragon Age Title TBA" as having a "handheld/mobile" version, and I doubt just an expansion would garner a mobile version.

Modifié par Brockololly, 17 mai 2010 - 05:29 .

[Swoo]

wrote...


Or does Morrigan just want you to think that, in case you try to
threaten her or her child's life?

Perhaps, but she doesn't seem to strike me as the type to use illusionary threats against a target. She has enough at her disposal she can back it up with something real. But you never know...

As an aside, how's the Elf playthrough going? I haven't been a Elf past the first Redcliffe part. Are people suitably rude and oppressive?

Brockololly wrote...

Ash Wind wrote...
I don’t think, or want it, to be the main plot of DA:2, it could be an interesting part of the sequel.

Its funny though. If you just go around the internet and peek in various forums or look at comments regarding Dragon Age, almost invariably one of the first things to come up is Morrigan and the Old God Baby. BioWare would be nuts to either marginalize that plot thread or to just sit on it for too long. You've got people's attention now BioWare, but if you wait too long people will stop caring.

I'm hoping that some of the wishy washy talk from Gaider and the devs is just a smokescreen of sorts.

I'm almost positive we'll see something at E3 though.

Yeah Wind, I think our general consensus here is we'd like it to be one of the four quest hubs, not an all-reaching, overpowering meta-plot that forces everyone into total baby drama immersion while leaving no room for anything else.

I have no doubt it's getting adressed in DA2, my deal is my Warden, the (partial) cause of the whole situation, better damn well be around for it. And yeah, Gaider=Smokescreen at this present time, he's not going to tip his hand quite yet! Writers love building that suspense and anticipation. E3 I expect teasers at most, which will be good enough for me right now! I would think after-Summer is when it really starts to roll if it is a Feb release.

Odd thought here. I wonder if the Darkspawn can feel the child the same way they can the Old God Dragon, and I wonder if they can corrupt him in the same was as they did same OG.

Modifié par Swoo, 17 mai 2010 - 06:15 .

[Addai]

Swoo wrote...

Perhaps, but she doesn't seem to strike me as the type to use illusionary threats against a target. She has enough at her disposal she can back it up with something real. But you never know...

As an aside, how's the Elf playthrough going? I haven't been a Elf past the first Redcliffe part. Are people suitably rude and oppressive?

That line is really mysterious.  Had me scratching my head.  This actually was on the HNF character in Terra_Ex's video up above.  She was probably my 8th or 9th character and I had never realized Morrigan even had a dialogue after the DR.  I accidentally clicked on her, got that convo and then was thinking "wha?!"

Elves:  I play elves quite a bit.  There is some good commentary in the game on your lowly status.  It's kind of nice having an excuse to be pi$sy with people.    Although I don't generally play Velanna-esque Dalish characters.  Can't resist telling Cailan where to go, though.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 mai 2010 - 07:04 .

[blademaster7]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah this line only triggers if you did not romance Morrigan or rather you were not in love with her. As for what it exactly means... I'm at a loss. [b]Does this imply the Warden's life is somehow tied to the Old God Baby? Kind of like Witherfang and Zathrian?

That would be... interesting. Do you think there is some sort of "I die-You die" connection between the OGB and Grey Wardens. Old Gods are supposed to be immortal beings. Maybe a GW being too close will make the child
vulnerable in any way?

So much potential. Let's hope they don't waste it.

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

If our Wardens don’t continue their journey in DA2 then I don’t see the point in doing the DR at all. I may as well just do the US instead because I‘ll at least face the consequences of my actions. To me the DR is the most epic decision the player can get, and seeing that the PC won’t be the one facing the results of his/her biggest decision ever in the history of gaming ruins the whole thing for me.

Exactly. Playing the Morrigan/OGB story without the Warden is like playing Arkham Asylum without Batman.

Modifié par blademaster7, 17 mai 2010 - 07:57 .

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah this line only triggers if you did not romance Morrigan or rather you were not in love with her. As for what it exactly means... I'm at a loss. [b]Does this imply the Warden's life is somehow tied to the Old God Baby? Kind of like Witherfang and Zathrian?

That would be... interesting. Do you think there is some sort of "I die-You die" connection between the OGB and Grey Wardens. Old Gods are supposed to be immortal beings. Maybe a GW being too close will make the child
vulnerable in any way?

So much potential. Let's hope they don't waste it.

The first time I heard Morrigan say that I thought she was refering to the fact that if I harm her or the baby in any way my life would be forfeit once the Archdemon was slain.

I don't think there is a connection beyond that. If there wwas then the baby wouldn't survive for more than 30 years max, since the warden is bound to undertake his calling at some point.

[blademaster7]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
PC: I love you Morrigan.
Morrigan: And so you... make it difficult for me, do you? ( VA note: she didn't want to say goodbye like this-- near tears and she HATES displays of emotion)
Morrigan: Go, slay the archdemon. Live long and well... my love. (VA note: this is very hard for her to say-- she will never see him again)

The notes in the toolset are really amazing in this case.  If you pick any other response she tries to hide her feelings and pretends that everything is fine and well, but if you say you love her she snaps and almost bursts into tears. There is a scripted kiss before she says "Go"  and a change in her voice after the kiss. A real shame it doesn't work in the vanilla version.

If you have the toolset, don't try this at home. You'll have a heart attack.

Modifié par blademaster7, 17 mai 2010 - 08:11 .

[Ash Wind]

Swoo wrote...

Odd thought here. I wonder if the Darkspawn can feel the child the same way they can the Old God Dragon, and I wonder if they can corrupt him in the same was as they did same OG.

LOL.

I started a thread about a month ago asking basically that and if there was a Morrigan - Architect connection, based mostly on Oghren's (Awakenings) Grey Warden Dream and something I thought I 'saw' in the Architect's dialogue with The Mother (but haven't been able to reproduce so I think I was mistaken).

In Oghren's dream he's surrounded by talking darkspawn, asking him if he would like lemon with his tea... and one darkspawn is repeatedly saying, "Where's the baby?" - My thought was it was possible reference to Baby Old God.

The thread didn't get much notice and most who did respond thought I was nuts and passed off 'The Baby' comment as some psycho-babble of Oghren imprinting his own life (and his newborn baby, Hespith and Branka) into his dream.

I think its logical to think the DS might look for it:  

The Darkspawn dig, looking for the chambers that hold the Old Gods because the Old Gods call out to them with a hypnotic song. So... does the child born with the Soul of an Old God also call out to the Darkspawn with a hypnotic song?

I dunno.

Modifié par Ash Wind, 17 mai 2010 - 08:40 .

[bl00dsh0t]

Well there are loads of factors that point in various directions the story could possibly take. But yeah the baby dream of oghren I think is perhaps meant to have multiple meanings and induce this kind of speculation. Since i havent used any of my chars that did not do the dark ritual in awakening I do not know if it triggers regardless of ogb or not. Perhaps something worth checking on toolset masters

blademaster7 wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...
PC: I love you Morrigan.
Morrigan: And so you... make it difficult for me, do you? ( VA note: she didn't want to say goodbye like this-- near tears and she HATES displays of emotion)
Morrigan: Go, slay the archdemon. Live long and well... my love. (VA note: this is very hard for her to say-- she will never see him again)

The notes in the toolset are really amazing in this case.  If you pick any other response she tries to hide her feelings and pretends that everything is fine and well, but if you say you love her she snaps and almost bursts into tears. There is a scripted kiss before she says "Go"  and a change in her voice after the kiss. A real shame it doesn't work in the vanilla version.

If you have the toolset, don't try this at home. You'll have a heart attack.

I have yet to figure out how to find the files in the toolset, anyone have a good guide for this? Have only tried facemorphs, the rest I have yet to figure out xD

[Master Shiori]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Well there are loads of factors that point in various directions the story could possibly take. But yeah the baby dream of oghren I think is perhaps meant to have multiple meanings and induce this kind of speculation. Since i havent used any of my chars that did not do the dark ritual in awakening I do not know if it triggers regardless of ogb or not. Perhaps something worth checking on toolset masters

I believe it triggered for my Orlesian warden commander.

Not 100% sure though...

[blademaster7]

It triggers for everyone. My female mage had nothing to do with the DR(she fed Loghain to the archdemon) and still got that speech.



It's just another failed attempt to make Oghren look like a funny drunkard. Why would they mention the OGB in one of Oghren's stupid conversations?

[bl00dsh0t]

It's mainly the darkspawn asking for a baby that rang a few bells, but in the end it was oghrens alcohol content only and not the darkspawn talking to him through the taint xD



Well once again, the wait for E3 is getting annoyingly long...only 4 weeks....only 4 weeks.... ARGH



I think Ill throw a fit if there is no info on da2 there xD

[Master Shiori]

The important thing to keep in mind about these VA notes is that heir main purpose is to help the voice actors understand what their character is thinking and feeling when delivering those lines.



"Morrigan: Go, slay the archdemon. Live long and well... my love. (VA note: this is very hard for her to say-- she will never see him again)"



This shows what we laready know; Morrigan believes she will never see the warden again. It doesn't, however, mean that this is what the future holds. She is simply saying that, according to her, they will never meet again.



E3 will hopefully shed some light on what course the Da titles will take. I still think a reunion is possible as this point, just not ceirtain by any means.

[bl00dsh0t]

Thus we reach the same conclusion as always xD I agree with you that the vo notes are more there to describe how the character is meant to speak the line, not actually telling us what the "truth" is in the game. Ahh well time to relax, smoke and program a bit and forget mowwigan till e3 xD

[bl00dsh0t]

Well the EA fiscal report did mention DA2 for the first quarter of 2011 as well as the cards that came with some of the awakening retail packages with the dat 2.11.2011 IIRC so something is coming dragon age wise, we just don't know what ;D Still they could be dicks and mention nothing to hype the kotor mmo more, damn them if they do!!!

Modifié par bl00dsh0t, 17 mai 2010 - 02:33 .