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[Brockololly]

Well, specifically, the EA earnings report only labels the next DA title as "Dragon Age Title TBA"- so for all we know its just some spin-off or something and not the next big thing. Only BioWare knows for sure...



I'd wager we'll hear something at E3. The way things have been going we've basically gotten something DA related almost every month this year (RtO, Awakening, Feast Day, Darkspawn Chronicles) and for them to cryptically throw that card in with Awakening only to not do anything with at E3, the biggest time for video game announcements in the year? I'll just say if we don't hear anything about the next DA game at E3 BioWare's marketing needs their heads examined, or conversely maybe they just want to wait before they show it off, seeing as its supposed to look "super hot" and all that...

[bl00dsh0t]

^ indeed, lets hope they finally enlighten us to what the hell is coming, it is just too damn unnerving to wait. No game has ever done this to me, and god damnit I have had some bad addictions xD

[blademaster7]

E3 is gonna be exciting this year with so many good games coming out. If that Feb 11 thing is the actual sequel then I'm sure they'll announce it next month. The timing is perfect.

[Brockololly]

Question for everyone- I was thinking of doing one last human noble run and figured I'd try to have my PC marry Anora while still romancing Morrigan. I know Morrigan doesn't mind but what ending do you get in Awakening when you do this? I'm guessing its probably the one where you go back to Denerim, right? Not that it matters much but was curious nevertheless.

[blademaster7]

Brockololly wrote...

Question for everyone- I was thinking of doing one last human noble run and figured I'd try to have my PC marry Anora while still romancing Morrigan. I know Morrigan doesn't mind but what ending do you get in Awakening when you do this? I'm guessing its probably the one where you go back to Denerim, right? Not that it matters much but was curious nevertheless.

Your PC will return back to court to meet with Anora and then you'll get the "Warden-Commander vanished entirely" slide.

Let me look if I have the screenshot

Modifié par blademaster7, 17 mai 2010 - 05:54 .

[Master Shiori]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Edit: I have a question as well.

How many PCs do you guys have and how many of them accepted the DR. I have 3 characters: HN warrior, human male mage and female mage. Cousland warrior is the only one that romance Morrigan and accepted the DR. The male mage sacrificed Loghain and the female mage sacrificed Alistair.

I currently have 3 male PCs and 2 female PCs that I've finished Origins with. All of them did the DR and 2 males romanced Morrigan, with the third marrying Anora and keeping Leli as his mistress.
Of the 2 females, 1 romanced Leliana and the other romanced Zevran.

I currently have 2 more wardens adventuring in Origins: a female DN who is romancing Alistair and a female Dalish who is oggling Leliana.

I only took UC, sacrificed Loghain and Alistar once to get the achievements, after that I reverted to my previous save and did DR.

UC is a huge letdown for me. The first time I did it was with my female Warden and after seeing Leliana's pained expresion at my funeral, I felt like a completely idiot and reloaded. Never tried it again after that.

The reason why I avoid sacrificing others is bacause I'm a selfish bastard and after all the work I've put into gathering Allies and rallying bickering nobles to my banner, I'll be damn if I let someone else grab my moment of glory

Modifié par Master Shiori, 17 mai 2010 - 06:32 .

[Master Shiori]

While we're still somewhat on the subject of VA notes in the toolset:

Could someone dig up additional VA notes for Morrigan?

I'm curious about following dialogue:

1) When she talks about the golden mirror (she's telling a story of how she stole it and Flemeth smashed it)
2) when she asks about your mother and you reply "I loved her... what more do you want to know?"
3) when she asks for your opinion of love
4) when you give her Flemeth's real grimoire
5) during the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest:
a) when you accept father Kolgrim's proposal to destroy the ashes
when the Guardian asks Morrigan a question and she cuts him off
c) when you drink the dragon's blood and gain the reaver specialization

Modifié par Master Shiori, 17 mai 2010 - 06:43 .

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

While we're still somewhat on the subject of VA notes in the toolset:

Could someone dig up additional VA notes for Morrigan?

I'm curious about following dialogue:

1) When she talks about the golden mirror (she's telling a story of how she stole it and Flemeth smashed it)
2) when she asks about your mother and you reply "I loved her... what more do you want to know?"
3) when she asks for your opinion of love
4) when you give her Flemeth's real grimoire
5) during the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest:
a) when you accept father Kolgrim's proposal to destroy the ashes
when the Guardian asks Morrigan a question and she cuts him off
c) when you drink the dragon's blood and gain the reaver specialization

Well, I'll take a stab at a couple:

* when the Guardian asks Morrigan a question and she cuts him off
Morrigan: Begone, spirit. I will not play your games. (VO note: Blunt, unimpressed)

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An interesting one to note is Morrigan's comment in the Sacred Ashes quest after you fight the "shadow" version of your party:

Morrigan: Hmph. No doubt this had something to do with "facing the dark side of your soul" or some such rubbish. (VO note: trying to sound dismissive of the whole thing, like she doesn't care and it doesn't bother her, even though it does, a little.)

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No VO notes that I could find for Morrigan and Kolgrim's stuff
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Here are some of the one time banters- here are some of the interesting Morrigan ones:

*Upon entering market district*
Morrigan: I... have never seen such a collection of merchants and people before. 'Tis always so? (VO note: a bit awed by the big city bustle, trying to hide her inexperience)

*This is one from the Wonders of Thedas- its probably the one bit of foreshadowing the Old God Baby in the game*
Morrigan: 'Tis all junk, just as I... hmm, is that an authentic Chasind tribal fertility carving? (VO note: disgusted at first-- until she notices something in the store that intrigues her)
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* 3) when she asks for your opinion of love:
I won't transcribe the whole thing, but the gist of Morrigan's dialogue and the VO notes show "self loathing, acidic" or " she is trying to convince herself these things are true--she loves the player and hates herself for it"

Modifié par Brockololly, 17 mai 2010 - 09:14 .

[Master Shiori]

Thank you for posting those Brock.

I knew Morrigan was torn about her feelings for the Warden, but I didn't realize how much self-loathing was involved.
I was truly taken back by how broken she appeared to be when saying goodbye to her lover, even though you can see from her VA notes she despises the fact that she fell in love.

I don't think I've ever seen a videogame character who was this torn between her beliefs and her feelings.

A few of questions for anyone willing to answer and discuss:

1) Do you think Morrigan's belief that love is a weakness steams purely from Flemeth's teachings or is it also based on personal experience?
Morrigan said that she was intimate with men before and that some of them even professed love to her. Did she love them in return, suffered pain and disapointment and therefore came to regard love as a weakness, or was such an outlook purely result of Flemeth's teachings?

2) It is clear that Morrigan was struggling between her love for the Warden and dsire to be with him and her mission.
It's also obvious that she choose the later as being more important, even though it pained her greatly.
Do you believe there is a possibility of her ever submiting to the weakness that is love and choosing the Warden over her plans? Whatkind of circumstance would make her come to such a decision?

3) the "sorrow and regret" ring epilogue
We know that Morrigan was serious when she warned the Warden against following her and said their relationship was over. What's more she has clearly choosed her current path at the expense of her feelings.
Why do you think would she allow the Warden to sense her feelings through the ring?
Morrigan obviously knew how the ring works and would have been aware that she was projecting her feeeling to the Warden trough their link. She would probably be able to break that link if she so desired (especially if the link would allow the Warden to track her down).
So, why would she let the Warden feel her sorrow and regret? To prove she did love him like she said?
She must have been aware that even had the Warden accepted her claim that they would never see each other again and respected her wish not to follow after her, he would almost ceirtainly chase after her after experiencing what she felt.
Did some part of Morrigan actually regret what she had to do to such extent that she was willing to give him a reason to seek her out?

Modifié par Master Shiori, 17 mai 2010 - 09:36 .

[pandymonium]

Here's the dialogue with Kolgrim.

5. a, If you agree to defile the ashes:

Morrigan: If we succeed, Kolgrim and his fellows will be indebted to you. That puts
you in a very advantageous position. (No VA notes, so I loaded a save. Unsurprisingly,
she sounds very pleased with your decision. You will also gain +2 approval points.)

5. c, Before drinking the dragon's blood:

Kolgrim: Behold...the blood of the dragon, drawn from the beating heart of a wyvern.
Drink in the strength of a thousand generations. (VA: Joyful, triumphant. Dramatic.)
PC: Yes. I will do this.
Morrigan: Hmm...the blood of a dragon is not attained cheaply. Appreciate this gift.
(VA note: giving advice, no approval change.)

Modifié par pandymonium, 17 mai 2010 - 09:54 .

[Master Shiori]

Thank you Pandymonium.

[tom2504]

Master Shiori wrote...

Thank you for posting those Brock.

I knew Morrigan was torn about her feelings for the Warden, but I didn't realize how much self-loathing was involved.
I was truly taken back by how broken she appeared to be when saying goodbye to her lover, even though you can see from her VA notes she despises the fact that she fell in love.

I don't think I've ever seen a videogame character who was this torn between her beliefs and her feelings.

A couple of questions to anyone willing:

1) Do you think Morrigan's belief that love is a weakness steams purely from Flemeth's teachings or is it also based on personal experience?
Morrigan said that she was intimate with men before and that some of them even professed love to her. Did she love them in return, suffered pain and disapointment and therefore came to regard love as a weakness, or was such an outlook purely result of Flemeth's teachings?

2) It is clear that Morrigan was struggling between her love for the Warden and dsire to be with him and her mission.
It's also obvious that she choose the later as being more important, even though it pained her greatly.
Do you believe there is a possibility of her ever submiting to the weakness that is love and choosing the Warden over her plans? Whatkind of circumstance would make her come to such a decision?

1) I don't think she would have loved them in return. The reason being that when you eventually do get Morrigan's approval to max, kill Flemeth, get the grimoire, get her the mirror etc - she tells you her feelings of you and ponders whether it's love or not. She thinks that her being anxious around you and her sense of dependancy is weakness (which is seemingly understandable considering her backround, which was with Flemeth, so yeah...)

2) You find her in some Orlais Forest, some random Grey Warden who has her tied to a flag pole and is tickling her, you go kick his ass, success!

Question 2 is tricky to answer though, I think the reason so many people love Morrigan as a character is because of her foxy and dark attitude, if she openly submitted herself to love then her character wouldn't be able to maintain the personality we know and love at the moment.

That's not to say she can't confess her love for the Grey Warden (Moreso than saying 'My love') but I would hate to see her become an innocent Leliana-type character. She needs to have spunk.

Modifié par tom2504, 17 mai 2010 - 09:53 .

[old book]

3) the "sorrow and regret" ring epilogue
We know that Morrigan was serious when she warned the Warden against following her and said their relationship was over. What's more she has clearly choosed her current path at the expense of her feelings.
Why do you think would she allow the Warden to sense her feelings through the ring?
Morrigan obviously knew how the ring works and would have been aware that she was projecting her feeeling to the Warden trough their link. She would probably be able to break that link if she so desired (especially if the link would allow the Warden to track her down).
So, why would she let the Warden feel her sorrow and regret? To prove she did love him like she said?
She must have been aware that even had the Warden accepted her claim that they would never see each other again and respected her wish not to follow after her, he would almost ceirtainly chase after her after experiencing what she felt.
Did some part of Morrigan actually regret what she had to do to such extent that she was willing to give him a reason to seek her out?

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[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

1) Do you think Morrigan's belief that love is a weakness steams purely from Flemeth's teachings or is it also based on personal experience?
Morrigan said that she was intimate with men before and that some of them even professed love to her. Did she love them in return, suffered pain and disapointment and therefore came to regard love as a weakness, or was such an outlook purely result of Flemeth's teachings?

I'd bet that Morrigan may have been with men before but likely has never actually "loved" anyone. It makes her awkwardness and general discomfort with her feelings towards the Warden make sense that way, as she is feeling them for the first time. As for why she views love as a weakness, it seems that has mostly been drilled into her head by Flemeth. If you recall Flemeth's story, basically what happened to Flemeth was the result of her falling in love and having feelings for another. I think Flemeth says something along the lines of how a long time ago, men would have killed for Flemeth and she resented that. It seems that Flemeth's past experiences with love have jaded her and she passed that attitude on to Morrigan, who not having been out in the world, has never had the chance to personally experience love and make up her own mind about things.

Master Shiori wrote...
2) It is clear that Morrigan was struggling between her love for the Warden and dsire to be with him and her mission.
It's also obvious that she choose the later as being more important, even though it pained her greatly.
Do you believe there is a possibility of her ever submiting to the weakness that is love and choosing the Warden over her plans? Whatkind of circumstance would make her come to such a decision?

Oh definitely. I mean, to me at least its always fun in an RPG to see how the PC can affect the outlook of the other companions, like Sarevok or Viconica in Thron of Bhaal. Would Morrigan just turn into a sappy romantic though? Hell no. Provided we have a reunion with Morrigan down the road, it will be interesting to see how her experiences out and about in the world change her in any way. Perhaps her harsh upbringing and outlook on the world would only be reinforced by her experiences in her travels or maybe it would have the opposite effect? Hard to say.

At this point she has already ditched love as much as it might pain her. So that makes her mission or plan awfully, awfully important to her. The interesting thing about Morrigan as I see it, is that for all her talk of independence and freedom, she seems to stick rather closely to the dogma her mother drilled into her head. She rarely tries to think outside of the box and obsesses about power and survival. Like Flemeth said, it will be interesting to see what Morrigan does with her freedom. Will her experiences "harden" her and only reinforce everything Flemeth taught her or will she see eventually that you can love and develop other sides to her personality?

One other note- For all her talk of freedom, Morrigan also seems to be bogged down in the notion of fate and destiny, especially in the DR convo and towards the endgame once its clear she is leaving. This gets back to what her plan is, but why does she feel this way? Morrigan clearly knows more about the Ritual and everything than she lets the player know, but does this tie into Flemeth somehow...

Maybe Flemeth has told Morrigan her own fate or destiny using her seeming ability to view the future. And maybe the reason for Morrigan leaving the Warden is in part because she saw that her falling in love with the Warden was something Flemeth predicted and maybe would lead to a bad outcome, and now Morrigan, in her quest for survival, has to leave the Warden she loves in order to try and avoid or change her fate that Flemeth foretold?

[elemme]

Master Shiori wrote...

2) It is clear that Morrigan was struggling between her love for the Warden and dsire to be with him and her mission.
It's also obvious that she choose the later as being more important, even though it pained her greatly.
Do you believe there is a possibility of her ever submiting to the weakness that is love and choosing the Warden over her plans? Whatkind of circumstance would make her come to such a decision?

I think something that is tied to this is whether or not Morrigan has the full picture of her mission.  So here are some counter questions.

Are there more people involved in the MasterPlan (for lack of a better word) than Flemeth and Morrigan?

Would Morrigan die to see the MasterPlan fullfilled?

Is Morrigan currently just a pawn in someone elses MasterPlan?

If Morrigan is in charge and in control of the situation I do not see how she and the warden ever come together again.

If on the other hand Morrigan is pawn then I think a reconciliation with the warden is quite possible because finding out she was just another pawn would make her rethink all her decisions.  This situation would also give the warden a chance to rescue her from what she precieves as her fate.

[fenderstrat6]

Master Shiori wrote...

Thank you for posting those Brock.

I knew Morrigan was torn about her feelings for the Warden, but I didn't realize how much self-loathing was involved.
I was truly taken back by how broken she appeared to be when saying goodbye to her lover, even though you can see from her VA notes she despises the fact that she fell in love.

I don't think I've ever seen a videogame character who was this torn between her beliefs and her feelings.

A few of questions for anyone willing to answer and discuss:

1) Do you think Morrigan's belief that love is a weakness steams purely from Flemeth's teachings or is it also based on personal experience?
Morrigan said that she was intimate with men before and that some of them even professed love to her. Did she love them in return, suffered pain and disapointment and therefore came to regard love as a weakness, or was such an outlook purely result of Flemeth's teachings?

2) It is clear that Morrigan was struggling between her love for the Warden and dsire to be with him and her mission.
It's also obvious that she choose the later as being more important, even though it pained her greatly.
Do you believe there is a possibility of her ever submiting to the weakness that is love and choosing the Warden over her plans? Whatkind of circumstance would make her come to such a decision?

3) the "sorrow and regret" ring epilogue
We know that Morrigan was serious when she warned the Warden against following her and said their relationship was over. What's more she has clearly choosed her current path at the expense of her feelings.
Why do you think would she allow the Warden to sense her feelings through the ring?
Morrigan obviously knew how the ring works and would have been aware that she was projecting her feeeling to the Warden trough their link. She would probably be able to break that link if she so desired (especially if the link would allow the Warden to track her down).
So, why would she let the Warden feel her sorrow and regret? To prove she did love him like she said?
She must have been aware that even had the Warden accepted her claim that they would never see each other again and respected her wish not to follow after her, he would almost ceirtainly chase after her after experiencing what she felt.
Did some part of Morrigan actually regret what she had to do to such extent that she was willing to give him a reason to seek her out?

                           1.    I would say both, but more so with her up bringing, i'm sure she did run in to some jerk's  an morrigan tells the warden at some point, that the first time she see's an watches u in the forest that she is intrigued an more interested in u then any other man she has ever seen before.  something like that,  no she has never been in love before.  until now.         

   2.  when it come's to love anything is possible, as long as it is a two way street , rich or power or both can't buy love or happiness, an some fine that out as time goes by. hard to say if she would submit to her true feelings, part 2 of the question = for her time alone. 

   3.  she still love's him an sorry she hurt him an she her self feels the pain an wants to reasure him that she really did care.  an we all know that she is hiding the reason they cant be together , among other things, 
makes your head spin,  if we even ever find that reason out, who know's but dave g.  i will be bummed out if they dont do anything with this or leave it on the back burner for to long just as bad i would say. they would be fools not to run with this imo.                                                                                                                  

[Ash Wind]

Master Shiori wrote...

1) Do you think Morrigan's belief that love is a weakness steams purely from Flemeth's teachings or is it also based on personal experience?

2) It is clear that Morrigan was struggling between her love for the Warden and dsire to be with him and her mission. It's also obvious that she choose the later as being more important, even though it pained her greatly.
Do you believe there is a possibility of her ever submiting to the weakness that is love and choosing the Warden over her plans? Whatkind of circumstance would make her come to such a decision?

3) the "sorrow and regret" ring epilogue
We know that Morrigan was serious when she warned the Warden against following her and said their relationship was over. What's more she has clearly choosed her current path at the expense of her feelings.
Why do you think would she allow the Warden to sense her feelings through the ring?

1) I think both her distain for love and desire for power are Flemeth's indoctrination. When she talks of love, she stumbles over her words, saying "its all so unexpected and she has no experience with any of it" and you can see her inexpeirence when she's pleading with the PC to end things. Another point, when you give her the mirror with no strings attached, she is tells of how she has never received a gift that did not also come with a price attached. I don't think Morrigan has the first idea of love. Her sexual experiences appear to be either "acquaintances with benefits" or for specific give and take. When you walk into The Pearl, her 'Its my experience that everyone pays for sex,' is revealing of her attitude and her past. Sex is a means to an end.  

2) No. I don't know what more the PC (when you do everything) could do for her. He's shown her nothing but kindness and caring; Shown her a vast world beyond the Wilds; Searches for the first Grimoire at her request; Protects her life, if not her soul, by defeating (not killing) Flemeth's present form. Etc, etc. Quite frankly, I think Morrigan acts much in the same way many people act with the first love. She's out of her comfort zone and scared to death... then add in her apparent upbringing... I don't know if there's a valid reason she doesn't want the Warden to search for her (i.e. The kid is his Kryptonite) if its just an excuse to end things... as if falling in love has shaken her to her foundation so she falls back on what she knows, power and isolation. She wouldn't be the first to run a break-neck speed away from someone who did nothing more than made her feel loved. 

3) Good question.Why indeed. Further to the point, she knows the ring and its capabilities, why doesn't she demand it back as a condition of the DR. Why doesn't she deactivate it, as she clearly knows how. I think by the time of the DR, she is an emotional wreck and is falling back on her mission as an escape. If she truly wanted to sever all ties, there's no reason for her not deactivate or demand the the very think that serves as a link... the connection between the two. 

I think she's torn between what she wants, the Warden, and what her mission is, whatever it might be. Like many rational people, she tells herself one thing, but her actions say something completely opposite. Is she a drama queen going to extreme legnths to play Hard To Get?lol No, I think she tells herself she doesn't need or want the Warden and all she has to do is run away... yet, in time, it seems that the separation from the Warden has not granted her the peace and finality she was hoping for. She keeps the ring active, keeping alive the possibility that the Warden will find her, even though she tells herself, that's not what she wanted. She is conflicted to the core.

Modifié par Ash Wind, 18 mai 2010 - 01:50 .

[Swoo]

EDIT: Sigh, sorry. The forum muckered up the post horribly, let me try to reformat it a bit to make it readable.

Ash Wind wrote...
The Darkspawn dig, looking for the chambers that hold the Old Gods
because the Old Gods call out to them with a hypnotic song. So... does
the child born with the Soul of an Old God also call out to the
Darkspawn with a hypnotic song?

The more I think on it, the more I have to think they do. The kid has two strikes going for him - he has the Old Essence which has to sing to the Darkspawn in some way, and he has the Warden taint which they can feel as well. It could explain why Morrigan was in such a hurry to get away from Ferelden, and most common endling locations put her in some courtly locale that has to offer powerful 'friends' and defenses. And room to do whatever it is she's planning to do.

]AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Edit: I have a question as well.

How
many PCs do you guys have and how many of them accepted the DR. I have 3
characters: HN warrior, human male mage and female mage. Cousland
warrior is the only one that romance Morrigan and accepted the DR. The
male mage sacrificed Loghain and the female mage sacrificed Alistair. 

I have a Human Noble DW Fighter who accepted the DR, I have 2-3 Mages who all take the DR except the one playthrough that I was building towards the Loghain Redeemer ending, and I had a Dalish Rogue who I was trying to do as a 'anti-shemlan' playthrough and actually try a relationship with Chantry-Girl instead that I totally lost interest in. I'm debating right now starting up a City Elf Duelist or Mage, or actually trying Dwarf Noble but they will end up with the DR.

It's just the only interesting romance to me. I don't dig our friend the Bard. I was burned by Ashley in ME1 not realizing what she was before getting in the romance, so the moment I heard 'The Maker said...' I just tuned out and never have been able to get into it. I'm not going after Alistair or Zeveran (but more power to the people who want that), so that leaves me with one option, and it's a great one imo.

Master Shori said...

1) Do you think Morrigan's belief that love is a weakness steams
purely from Flemeth's teachings or is it also based on personal
experience?

It's Indoctrination, pure and simple. All she ever had was Flemeth, and she never had any outside stimuli to ever prove that wrong. By the time it finally approaches, it's not only very hard to shake past, but she's in the middle of something she believes is much larger and more important than herself.


2) It is clear that Morrigan was struggling between her love for the
Warden and dsire to be with him and her mission.
It's also obvious
that she choose the later as being more important, even though it pained
her greatly.
Do you believe there is a possibility of her ever
submiting to the weakness that is love and choosing the Warden over her
plans? Whatkind of circumstance would make her come to such a decision? 

No, no I don't. She had that option and went with the plans. If anything, she'd be more set into that way of thinking meeting her down the road as she'll be entrenched in years of getting the ball rolling, so to speak. BUT, much like Viconia, I think it's possible the Warden could show that there's room for him in the scheme of things, and it doesn't have to be a hardline kind of deal.

Elemme said...


Are there more people involved in the MasterPlan (for lack of a
better word) than Flemeth and Morrigan?

Would Morrigan die to see
the MasterPlan fullfilled?

Is Morrigan currently just a pawn in
someone elses MasterPlan?

If Morrigan is in charge and in control
of the situation I do not see how she and the warden ever come together
again.

I believe so, absolutely. To me, the Old God Baby offers many things we may have no clue about, but the opportunity to bring back the old ways and the worship of the Untainted Dragons sticks out as a pretty clear objective. People are going to try to get involved in that if they ever become aware of it - From the Teventir Mages, the allied Elves of said mages, Dragon Cults, Old God Cults, Anti-Chantry factions, and various independant mover and shakers.

I would think she'd die for it. She believes it's more important than her, so self-sacrifice would make sense in that situation.

I think she will try to control the situation as best as she can, but I doubt she will be the top of the food chain so to speak. Flemeth just gives off the vibe that there is so much more going on than what we know (and as shown, what Morrigan even knows), so I have to think there are some major players out there that neither of us know about that may be guiding or trying to control the situation even. Don't forget the Old Gods themselves, just because the few remaining ones are locked underground asleep, that doesn't mean they are completely out of play. The Fade's a wild place, and eyes are upon us from up high that makes even some of the most powerful creatures nervous.

Awesomeeffect2 wrote...
Maybe she can't break the link, maybe in order to do it she needs the
ring but sadly the Warden has it. As for projecting her feelings to
him, that is out of her control. You can't control such emotions easily
like switch and so obviously this would happen.

I agree absolutely.


Fenderstrat6 wrote...
     1.    I would say both, but more so with her up bringing, i'm sure
she did run in to some jerk's../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png  an morrigan tells the warden at some point, that the
first time she see's an watches u in the forest that she is intrigued an
more interested in u then any other man she has ever seen before. 
something like that,  no she has never been in love before.  until
now.

That is just one of the best conversations in the game. I wish more people would experience it so they'd get past the generic front she puts up and they take as the gospel of her character.

And now to hit enter and see how badly this forum f---s up this post.

Modifié par Swoo, 18 mai 2010 - 01:33 .

[Swoo]

This forum makes Baby Dumat cry. I've fixed the quote boxes twice now and that whole post is FUBAR.



Sigh.

[Brockololly]

Very nice posts Ash Wind and Swoo- damn, if BioWare just marginalizes or ditches Morrigan and the Warden going forward...grrr.. I'll shake my fist in rage in the general direction of Edmonton!

[Terra_Ex]

Brockololly wrote...

Very nice posts Ash Wind and Swoo- damn, if BioWare just marginalizes or ditches Morrigan and the Warden going forward...grrr.. I'll shake my fist in rage in the general direction of Edmonton!

Nay, an Exalted March will be called for in that case. I too enjoyed reading the posts over the past few days - some great points to muse over, sadly I'm feeling too lazy to respond in a manner befitting them,so I'll leave it to you guys for now. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

[Master Shiori]

Brockololly wrote...

Very nice posts Ash Wind and Swoo- damn, if BioWare just marginalizes or ditches Morrigan and the Warden going forward...grrr.. I'll shake my fist in rage in the general direction of Edmonton!

While I can see how Bioware might continue Morrigan's story without the Warden, I can't say that would really fly with everyone who's played Origins. People who hated Morrigan and never want to see her again will won't be happy by the mere fact she's back in one form or another, while those who loved her as a character (such as people in this topic) won't be happy if they meet her with a new character who has no prior history with her or the events in Origins.
The only thing worse then a lack of a reunion is running into her with a new pc and instead of asking all these question that Origins left in my mind, we'd get something like "Who the hell are you?!"
That would really kill mood completely.

Finding Morrigan with my Warden would be a truly emotional gaming experience.

As of now I believe the following things about DA2:
1) we won't be playing as a Warden
2) we might not see Morrigan's story
3) we'll get a new land, new enemies (no darkspawn) and new companions
4) very little connection to Origins (at best maybe 1 or 2 old companions come back in some form)

Can't tell you how much I'm praying for David Gaider and Bioware to prove me wrong on points 1) and 2)...