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[Terra_Ex]

Have to disagree with you there blademaster, once you're inside the simulator Anchorage ditches everything that FO3 is supposed to be about and becomes a bit of a mess. The bit with the outcasts at the start and the finale (plus the new weaponry) are the only highlights imo. But even then its still better than BW's offerings thus far. Broken Steel & Point Lookout is definitely where its at. Turning the tables on the brotherhood at the last minute in Broken Steel was pretty good, as were the Lyon's Prides pathetic attempt to take you down 

Though Bethesda did have the infamously overpriced Horse Armor, so maybe Bioware are taking a leaf out of their book?

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 20 mai 2010 - 05:34 .

[blademaster7]

Well, I love shooters, so I enjoyed being tossed into a simulator and playing a pure FPS for about 4 hours. It was a bit of a change from killing Super Mutants in the wasteland.

I didn't say it's my favorite or anything(in fact I agree with you that BS and PL are way better than O:A), I just admitted that I actually liked it. 

[wickedwizzard01]

I'm soooooo disappointed with DC i tought it was interesting but instead it had nothing to do with DA:O yes, you are running around as darkspawn on the final stage of DA:O killing everything that moves but what made me enjoy DAO isn't there

its fun for about an hour maybe less but this isn't even worth the title DA

i just hope they don't go this way for DA:O 2



to get rid of the bad taste of this thing i've started another Origins

we deserve something better than this bioware

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

I think Awakening sold well.

Not sure about exact numbers but I think I read it was over 1 million copies.

Will try to dig up some info after I get back home.

DA:O was 3.2 million copies, right?

Yeah I think DAO sold 3.2. Awakening sold over 1 million?!? Wow... seems high to me, considering Mass Effect2 only sold about 1.6 million so far (at least according to EA's last quarterly report).


I just hope that all this rubbish DLC BioWare seems to be pumping out is just their own personal "horse armor" moment and like Bethesda, can start releasing some quality DLC like the Fallout 3 stuff. And I'd agree with Terra on Fallout3- Point Lookout and Broken Steel were great, mothership zeta wasn't too bad and O:A was only ok- it was a decent idea, but basically just all shooter, which is fine if thats what you're looking for.

[Addai]

Brockololly wrote...
I just hope that all this rubbish DLC BioWare seems to be pumping out is just their own personal "horse armor" moment and like Bethesda, can start releasing some quality DLC like the Fallout 3 stuff. And I'd agree with Terra on Fallout3- Point Lookout and Broken Steel were great, mothership zeta wasn't too bad and O:A was only ok- it was a decent idea, but basically just all shooter, which is fine if thats what you're looking for.

It might be worth our effort to try to get FO3 going again, since I can't stomach DAO at the moment.  It was Windows Live that was causing our problems, since the base game worked very well even in the GOTY edition.

It might be some small consolation to read Mr. Gaider's comments in this thread:

Insofar as continuity for romances goes, if it makes sense to the project we'll happily include it. I don't think we would ever base a project (like a sequel or an expansion) around continuing romance plots, however.

I like the idea, personally. I think the point of DLC should be to focus on those niche groups that are particularly committed towards a character or a plotline-- especially the later the DLC comes out after release. Your more casual players, after all, probably aren't still playing the game at that point anyway.

I'm less enthused about the idea of adding romances/plotlines to already-existing areas, however. That gets complicated, depending on how integrated it's intended to be. If it's an add-on DLC rather than an add-in it seems more likely to happen.

Either way, it's not up to me what DLC gets made, so my opinions are just that.

I'll always include romances when I get the chance. I actually like writing them. But if it's between doing romances properly and giving them short shrift, I'd rather not do them at all.

Modifié par Addai67, 20 mai 2010 - 06:09 .

[Barbarossa2010]

@blademaster,



You know, I bought the base game used (for 360) at a local used game store. I think I'm going to go over the Gamestop and buy the GOTY edition new. It's definitely the best way to purchase the game since it's been out for so long. I think you can buy the base game and all DLCs for about $40. I'm interested to see how V.A.T.S works. Not sure that's the way I'll want to play it though with my background; but it does look interesting.



I also picked-up Oblivion GOTY edition and have played through the Dungeon intro. So that's on the list too.

[Axekix]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

We are going a little off topic. Anyways, I just read this old interview from Kate Mulgrew. She gives some insight into the relationship that Morrigan and Flemeth have.


TC: You mention the relationship between Flemeth and her daughter. Is that a large part of what drives this character?
KM: Well, she has produced many daughters. And she can become her daughters. So she uses her daughters. Her daughters are really there to serve her more diabolical needs. However, even within that reality, Flemeth can be touched by her daughter. And she is touched by Morrigan, because Morrigan is innocent. She is beautiful. She is vulnerable. She is accessible. She is everything that Flemeth once was. So we realize through Morrigan than Flemeth is touchable, moveable, is still attainable on one level. That's why I say this videogame is very evolved. It's very unexpected. I think it's going to be very very popular. Don't you?

Ooh, I hadn't seen that interview before.  Interesting take on the Flemeth/Morri relationship! 

I suppose in a way this reinforces Morrigan's side of the story as far as Flemeth being a body snatcher?   I know someone dug through the toolset and found the direction for Flemeth's lines in the hut confrontation, which hinted that Morrigan had lied to the PC. 

I really wish we could get a straight answer out of Flemeth. 

[blademaster7]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

@blademaster,

You know, I
bought the base game used (for 360) at a local used game store. I think
I'm going to go over the Gamestop and buy the GOTY edition new. It's
definitely the best way to purchase the game since it's been out for so
long. I think you can buy the base game and all DLCs for about $40.
I'm interested to see how V.A.T.S works. Not sure that's the way I'll
want to play it though with my background; but it does look interesting.

I
also picked-up Oblivion GOTY edition and have played through the
Dungeon intro. So that's on the list too.

I was using  V.A.T.S the whole time on my first playthrough because I found it really fun. Now I rarely use it because it makes the game too easy once you get the hang of it.(and pick up the OP perks).  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

You can just ignore it if you wish and folow a pure FPS style. Tha't what I'm doing for the most part.

Brockololly wrote...

I just hope that all this rubbish DLC BioWare seems to be pumping out is just their own personal "horse armor" moment and like Bethesda, can start releasing some quality DLC like the Fallout 3 stuff. And I'd agree with Terra on Fallout3- Point Lookout and Broken Steel were great, mothership zeta wasn't too bad and O:A was only ok- it was a decent idea, but basically just all shooter, which is fine if thats what you're looking for.

The biggest selling poinst of DAO are the story and it's characters with all the in-depth dialogue. If you remove that, you basically get a 15-hour hack and slash game that is mediocre at best.

Betheseda was so succesful with their DLC(in FO3) because they focused on their stong points. Bioware should do the same if they want their fanbase to start taking them seriously.

I didn't buy DAO for the mindless hack n slash and I won't start buying DLC that gives me just that.

Modifié par blademaster7, 20 mai 2010 - 07:25 .

[Axekix]

blademaster7 wrote..
The biggest selling poinst of DAO are the story and it's characters with all the in-depth dialogue. If you remove that, you basically get a 15-hour hack and slash game that is mediocre at best.

Betheseda was so succesful with their DLC(in FO3) because they focused on their stong points. Bioware should do the same if they want their fanbase to start taking them seriously.

I didn't buy DAO for the mindless hack n slash and I won't start buying DLC that gives me just that.

DS Chronicles did have a few interesting story elements.  I do wonder why they made Alistair make some of the decisions he did though... and Morrigan's participation in the final battle makes no sense at all. 

Overall though I think it was an intriguing idea that could've maybe used a little more fleshing out.  I enjoyed it!

[blademaster7]

Morrigan was there for the same reason as Howe. To please the haters.



What did her codex say? That she stayed with Alistair so she can have fun mocking him? And then she died fighting alongside him, didn't she? lol

[Master Shiori]

Addai67 wrote...

It might be some small consolation to read Mr. Gaider's comments in this thread:

Insofar as continuity for romances goes, if it makes sense to the project we'll happily include it. I don't think we would ever base a project (like a sequel or an expansion) around continuing romance plots, however.

I like the idea, personally. I think the point of DLC should be to focus on those niche groups that are particularly committed towards a character or a plotline-- especially the later the DLC comes out after release. Your more casual players, after all, probably aren't still playing the game at that point anyway.

I'm less enthused about the idea of adding romances/plotlines to already-existing areas, however. That gets complicated, depending on how integrated it's intended to be. If it's an add-on DLC rather than an add-in it seems more likely to happen.

Either way, it's not up to me what DLC gets made, so my opinions are just that.

I'll always include romances when I get the chance. I actually like writing them. But if it's between doing romances properly and giving them short shrift, I'd rather not do them at all.

Hmm, thisis interesting.

If he likes romances that much why would a reunion between the Warden and Morrigan be such a problem?
Dark ritual wasn't just for those romancing Morri. If Morrigan and the god baby were to be introduced again at some point, why not allow people to reunite with them by playing their DA:O character?
At very lest it would allow those of us who romaced her to get some kind of closure.

[Axekix]

blademaster7 wrote...
What did her codex say? That she stayed with Alistair so she can have fun mocking him? And then she died fighting alongside him, didn't she? lol

Basically. 

[Addai]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...
You know, I bought the base game used (for 360) at a local used game store. I think I'm going to go over the Gamestop and buy the GOTY edition new. It's definitely the best way to purchase the game since it's been out for so long. I think you can buy the base game and all DLCs for about $40. I'm interested to see how V.A.T.S works. Not sure that's the way I'll want to play it though with my background; but it does look interesting.

I also picked-up Oblivion GOTY edition and have played through the Dungeon intro. So that's on the list too.

I hope you have better luck with FO3 GOTY than we did.  All our problems were with disk 2.  They force you to have a Windows Live connection running even with the box game, and I think our PC did not like the interplay.  I'm talking not just CTD, but rampant blue screen of death.

We ran Oblivion GOTY with no problems, however, and I enjoyed it a lot.  Now there are some fun DLCs, particularly Shivering Isles.

[Addai]

Master Shiori wrote...

If he likes romances that much why would a reunion between the Warden and Morrigan be such a problem?
Dark ritual wasn't just for those romancing Morri. If Morrigan and the god baby were to be introduced again at some point, why not allow people to reunite with them by playing their DA:O character?
At very lest it would allow those of us who romaced her to get some kind of closure.

It seems he's saying that he doesn't always get to choose, and that if he feels it can't be done well, then he'd rather not do it at all.  I'm very sympathetic to that idea.  I would rather not see our companions return than see them return in ham-fisted fashion, as with DC.  I really, really, really wish they had left out the bit about Alistair and Leliana, for instance.  It doesn't seem to faze most people, but now I picture my PCs who romanced Alistair and can only hear them saying "shoes, shooooeeees, the Maker wants me to buy shoes!"  And I want to Virulent Walking Bomb every last one of them.

I thought Morrigan's death was actually presented with the most pathos.  She was near the dog, face-down, and you got the closest look at her of anyone, including Alistair, who just exploded into one of those aforementioned VWBs.  Quite ridiculous, that.

Modifié par Addai67, 20 mai 2010 - 08:22 .

[bl00dsh0t]

Master Shiori wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

It might be some small consolation to read Mr. Gaider's comments in this thread:

Insofar as continuity for romances goes, if it makes sense to the project we'll happily include it. I don't think we would ever base a project (like a sequel or an expansion) around continuing romance plots, however.

I like the idea, personally. I think the point of DLC should be to focus on those niche groups that are particularly committed towards a character or a plotline-- especially the later the DLC comes out after release. Your more casual players, after all, probably aren't still playing the game at that point anyway.

I'm less enthused about the idea of adding romances/plotlines to already-existing areas, however. That gets complicated, depending on how integrated it's intended to be. If it's an add-on DLC rather than an add-in it seems more likely to happen.

Either way, it's not up to me what DLC gets made, so my opinions are just that.

I'll always include romances when I get the chance. I actually like writing them. But if it's between doing romances properly and giving them short shrift, I'd rather not do them at all.

Hmm, thisis interesting.

If he likes romances that much why would a reunion between the Warden and Morrigan be such a problem?
Dark ritual wasn't just for those romancing Morri. If Morrigan and the god baby were to be introduced again at some point, why not allow people to reunite with them by playing their DA:O character?
At very lest it would allow those of us who romaced her to get some kind of closure.

Well he did say that if the story allows it and it makes sense he will absolutely do it, but he does not want to add in zev, leli, ali and morrigan of the plot does not call for them being present. Ill agree that just giving the romance 2 min worth of dialogue is not the way any of the romances deserve to be treated, and then its better to skip them completely.

What he seems to be suggesting is that adding a questline based on the romances to, for instance, awakening where you get to interect with the romancable characters but don't get to integrate them fully into the game he is not opposed, but adding them into the full story afterwards he claims to be complicated and would most likely go to hell. Just imagine adding morrigan to awakening as a starting character, then youd have to rehire all the VOs to have banter with her as well as have her comment on everything you do. Sounds like a very very unreasonable project to me at least (even if Id love if theyd do it xD)

[Master Shiori]

bl00dsh0t wrote...

Well he did say that if the story allows it and it makes sense he will absolutely do it, but he does not want to add in zev, leli, ali and morrigan of the plot does not call for them being present. Ill agree that just giving the romance 2 min worth of dialogue is not the way any of the romances deserve to be treated, and then its better to skip them completely.

What he seems to be suggesting is that adding a questline based on the romances to, for instance, awakening where you get to interect with the romancable characters but don't get to integrate them fully into the game he is not opposed, but adding them into the full story afterwards he claims to be complicated and would most likely go to hell. Just imagine adding morrigan to awakening as a starting character, then youd have to rehire all the VOs to have banter with her as well as have her comment on everything you do. Sounds like a very very unreasonable project to me at least (even if Id love if theyd do it xD)

I agree with that completely.

The thing for me is that when you have a lose end tied to a particular LI (case here being Morrigan) I'd like to see that resolved by possibly reuniting her with her lover who helped start that lose plot end.

Ofc, I realize we're never going to get an expansion or sequal based solely around finding Morrigan and resolving her story. That would be unrealistic.
But if David Gaider can create a new story for a DA title into which Morrigan and god baby can tie in, then I'd love to play through that story with my Warden and get some closure. I'm hoping this isn't asking for too much.

Considering how Morrigan romance ended I would expect Bioware giving a bone to all us Morrigan fans, rather then please those whose romances already got some kind of happy ending.
Not that I have anything against Leliana, Zevran or Alistair returning as love interests in the future if it fits the story. It's just that those people got a satisfying ending to their stories in Origins, while us Morrigan fans got a cliffhanger, a lot of unanswered questions and a complete lack of closure.

[bl00dsh0t]

Well the overhanging issue here becomes that throwing us a bone will get a lot of other players remarkably pissed if they don't get that bone themselves ;D We may have had the most unanswered questions, but answering our many to disregard their few is not something that won't end in an epic sh!tstorm



We can continue to hope for it, but once again: E3 better have the answers

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

It seems he's saying that he doesn't always get to choose, and that if he feels it can't be done well, then he'd rather not do it at all.  I'm very sympathetic to that idea.  I would rather not see our companions return than see them return in ham-fisted fashion, as with DC.  I really, really, really wish they had left out the bit about Alistair and Leliana, for instance.  It doesn't seem to faze most people, but now I picture my PCs who romanced Alistair and can only hear them saying "shoes, shooooeeees, the Maker wants me to buy shoes!"  And I want to Virulent Walking Bomb every last one of them.

I really don't understand the friction over the Ali/Leli thing.  They seem like a cute couple, and their pairing is pretty believable to me.  I mean even if Alistair isn't super religious, he still likes kindhearted people, and Lel is just about the sweetest DA girl there is... maybe besides Wynne.

I thought Morrigan's death was actually presented with the most pathos.  She was near the dog, face-down, and you got the closest look at her of anyone, including Alistair, who just exploded into one of those aforementioned VWBs.  Quite ridiculous, that.

Yeah, that was hard to watch:

[Vicious]

It was sad, but oddly gratifying to see how they could literally not get the job done without The Warden.

[Addai]

Axekix wrote...
I really don't understand the friction over the Ali/Leli thing. 

Pick the NPC that you can stand the least and imagine that person put together with Morrigan in an alternate story line?  Maybe that doesn't translate.  It just would have been better, in the midst of a silly DLC with no story content anyway, that they leave it alone.

As far as continuation, Alistair would figure in to a god-baby continuation, too, since he or Loghain have to be the father of it for femWardens.  Not that being the father means they need to be involved in the continued story line, but it would be more compelling.

Modifié par Addai67, 20 mai 2010 - 09:03 .

[Axekix]

Vicious wrote...

It was sad, but oddly gratifying to see how they could literally not get the job done without The Warden.

I was thinking it was more pathetic really.  I mean Alistair made the worst decisions possible, missed recruiting half the team and then got himself and everyone else killed. 

And this is the man I've been putting on the throne in my games????

[Brockololly]

Axekix wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...
What did her codex say? That she stayed with Alistair so she can have fun mocking him? And then she died fighting alongside him, didn't she? lol

Basically. 

Wow...really BioWare? Really? She was in it for the lulz? To the death? *bashes head into desk*

Master Shiori wrote...

Considering how Morrigan romance
ended I would expect Bioware giving a bone to all us Morrigan fans,
rather then please those whose romances already got some kind of happy
ending.
Not that I have anything against Leliana, Zevran or Alistair
returning as love interests in the future if it fits the story. It's
just that those people got a satisfying ending to their stories in
Origins, while us Morrigan fans got a cliffhanger, a lot of unanswered
questions and a complete lack of closure.

Thats the thing for me as well- the other LI's got some measure of closure but for Morrigan she just bails on the Warden and the writers give you the chance to verbally say the PC will chase after her. Of course Awakening's end opens things back up for everyone basically, but at least with Morrigan there seems to be  a plot related reason  for her to return as well beyond just continuing the romance. Like Gaider mentioned in that thread mentioned above, I'm all for romances as they provide more depth to the characters, but I also love seeing returning characters as you get to see how they can evolve and change over time.

Unless of course BioWare thinks they can tell the rest of Morrigan's story and the OGB plot without the romance, but to me that would be more than a little disappointing to say the least. Only 24 days until E3 and hopefully some answers!

[Addai]

Axekix wrote... 

And this is the man I've been putting on the throne in my games????

You're assuming that the content in the DLC had any connection to a logical story line at all.  I am trying to give BW the benefit of the doubt, but it seems more like an April Fool's prank than anything.  Leliana in a Chantry robe, that still gets me.  Morrigan's codex likewise.  It's a farce.

[Axekix]

Addai67 wrote...

Axekix wrote...
I really don't understand the friction over the Ali/Leli thing. 

Pick the NPC that you can stand the least and imagine that person put together with Morrigan in an alternate story line?  Maybe that doesn't translate.  It just would have been better, in the midst of a silly DLC with no story content anyway, that they leave it alone.

Oh, so it's just the fact that you hate Leliana?  I don't really hate any of the party members, minus Velanna, so yeah that doesn't really work in my case.  The idea of an Ali/Morri romance makes my eyes bleed, but that's more because of the fact that it would be the biggest crack pairing in DA.

Leli and Alistair have a lot in common!  And IIRC Leli even mentions that she thinks Alistair is attractive and that she would have made a move on him if it weren't for the fem PC, no?