David Gaider wrote...
Well, don't forget to also mod in the ability to actually kill her and remove the options to talk to her about shapeshifting, because merely removing the specialization doesn't remove the fact that Morrigan is a shapeshifter.back pain wrote...
She cant do that if I take that specialization away from her. Thank the maker for mods on the PC.
At any rate, good luck with that.
MassEffect762 wrote...
^ LMAO!!!
Good Job. Mission Accomplished. All is right in the World.
Modifié par The Angry One, 05 décembre 2009 - 02:24 .
The Angry One wrote...
You realise this is but the beginning of the avalanche of "kill Morrigan" mods that will come, oh yes.
See that's the problem with creating a Mary Sue in a videogame, especially one with a toolset. Everybody wants to murder them... and they will make it possible to do so... mahaha.
Kolaris8472 wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
You realise this is but the beginning of the avalanche of "kill Morrigan" mods that will come, oh yes.
See that's the problem with creating a Mary Sue in a videogame, especially one with a toolset. Everybody wants to murder them... and they will make it possible to do so... mahaha.
Oh Maker, yet another person who doesn't understand what a Mary Sue is.
Modifié par RunCDFirst, 05 décembre 2009 - 03:35 .
Krigwin wrote...
Wait a minute. I've never even thought of this before!
What happens to the baby when Morrigan shapeshifts? Does she remain pregnant in her animal form? DOES THE BABY TRANSFORM INTO A BABY OF WHATEVER FORM SHE IS INSTEAD OF A HUMAN?
Elanareon wrote...
Why all the hate with Morrigan?
The Angry One wrote...
Mary Sues can also simply be characters favored by the author who have unrealistically fantastic traits (e.g. "you can't kill Morrigan! She'd turn into a griffon and fly away! Muahaha!") or don't suffer the consequences of their actions, etc.
In this case, Morrigan does a dark and dirty deed and gets off scott free. Whether this'll change in a sequel I can't predict, but I have the feeling it won't.
Modifié par InvaderErl, 05 décembre 2009 - 03:46 .
Krigwin wrote...
Morrigan is not even close to being a Mary Sue, and going by the "Gaider likes this character!" argument, Alistair would also be one.
Just to be safe when I beat this game for the first time, I ran all of the companions through the Mary Sue Litmus Test. Surprisingly, the character that is most Mary Sue is Zevran, and the least is Oghren.
InvaderErl wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
Mary Sues can also simply be characters favored by the author who have unrealistically fantastic traits (e.g. "you can't kill Morrigan! She'd turn into a griffon and fly away! Muahaha!") or don't suffer the consequences of their actions, etc.
In this case, Morrigan does a dark and dirty deed and gets off scott free. Whether this'll change in a sequel I can't predict, but I have the feeling it won't.
That's a bit silly. Escaping punishment is not grounds for labeling one a mary sue and as a shapeshifter, um yeah that point is totally valid (a Griffon would be a bit much but you're the one who used that example - a crow or raven would be more likely) . Mary Sue-ing her would be to say "Oh no, Morrigan is oh so powerful she would laugh off all of your attacks." But being sly and quick is completely in line with Morrigan's characters/abilities.
I see you succeeded. Congratulations. I trust that makes you feel better, now.Skellimancer wrote...
Thanks.
Modifié par David Gaider, 05 décembre 2009 - 08:05 .
Tianwyn wrote...
On one hand, I think Morrigan is a complex character. On the other, I do think she has Mary Sue-ish traits. (She wins way more conversations than anyone else).
Skellimancer wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
There's also the fact that Morrigan no doubt disappeared right after the archdemon was killed, perhaps turning into an animal and vanishing into the shadows. She's not stupid.
Sylixe wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
There's also the fact that Morrigan no doubt disappeared right after the archdemon was killed, perhaps turning into an animal and vanishing into the shadows. She's not stupid.
I don't see how should could since anyone with half a brain got the respec mod and removed her points into a Shapeshifter and made her a Spirit Healer.
Modifié par menasure, 05 décembre 2009 - 09:17 .
I think "it's a Mary Sue" has become shorthand for "I don't like that character" just like "it breaks my immersion" has become shorthand for "I don't like that feature".The Angry One wrote...
Mary Sues come in degrees of blatancy. And I was being sarcastic with the griffon thing.
The fact is when the author jumps in and blatantly tells everyone "hahahaha you'll never kill my character!" it doesn't matter whether it won't be killed either because it'll destroy everyone who tries, or will always escape, it's still overtly silly.
David Gaider wrote...
I think "it's a Mary Sue" has become shorthand for "I don't like that character" just like "it breaks my immersion" has become shorthand for "I don't like that feature".The Angry One wrote...
Mary Sues come in degrees of blatancy. And I was being sarcastic with the griffon thing.
The fact is when the author jumps in and blatantly tells everyone "hahahaha you'll never kill my character!" it doesn't matter whether it won't be killed either because it'll destroy everyone who tries, or will always escape, it's still overtly silly.
But if it makes you feel better, I do think Morrigan is better than you. So there.
So does the player's character, multiple times for this matter. If that's somehow proof of Marysuism then, welp.The Angry One wrote...
In this case, Morrigan does a dark and dirty deed and gets off scott free.
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