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Is ME3 going to require a constant Internet connection to play?


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Ecael

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Honestly, I thought this garbage was isolated to Ubisoft, but now EA is starting to do the same with the Command and Conquer 4 release:
Command and Conquer forums
EA laces CC4 with Always-On DRM

"First thing to be clear about, Command & Conquer 4 does require you to be connected to the internet to play... So there ya go, no disc in the drive necessary, just activate your account with your serial key and presto, you're ready to go. It's actually much easier than before."

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As with Ubisoft and Assassin's Creed 2 (a single-player game that was ported to the PC), C&C 4 forces you to have an Internet connection at all times. If you lose connection for more than a few seconds, you are booted out of the game and left with your last autosave. Ubisoft remedied the autosave problem by making the game save constantly now (but not removing the internet-requiring DRM).

When Assassin's Creed 2 for PC was released, pirates and script kiddies went to work right away and DDoS'd the servers while cracking the internet connection requirement:
Ubisoft Attack

In other words, while some people who BOUGHT the game were unable to play because Ubisoft's servers couldn't handle the attack, people who got the game from 'alternative sources' were able to play without even paying for it. Thus, only the people who BOUGHT the game were punished by the DRM.

The fact that EA began implementing this into their games sets a troubling precedent for the future of all the game companies they publish for, including BioWare. What's even more troublesome is that they intend to include 'online services' in all their 2011 games and on:

Electronic Arts Qtr. End Earnings Call Transcript
John Schappert - "In fiscal 2011, every one of EA’s releases will have an online component, both downloadable content and online play"

Of course, Ubisoft designates their always-on Internet requirement as their 'Online Services Platform'.
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EA has does not hesitate to add copy protection to their software. Yet, Spore became one of the most illegally downloaded games of all time because of its own DRM. What is the point of putting such restrictions when people don't want to pay for and deal with the hassle?

Imagine if Microsoft or Adobe started making Microsoft Office or Adobe Photoshop require an online connection to prevent piracy - would customers appreciate the copy protection, or would they just download it or use a different program instead? Yes, I may be comparing essential applications to games, but to a software company it's all the same - we are the customers that buy their products.

The hope is not all bad, though. Steam (which is a less intrusive DRM, to be fair) recently dropped two of Ubisoft's games altogether for including the online requirement. Even the digital distributors are revolting against these strict DRM standards.
Steam dumps Ubisoft DRM games

Thus, the question goes out to the BioWare developers: If EA told you to include an always-on Internet component in the Cerberus Network, would you be forced to include it? And if you did, would you be able to justify it?

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Would we start getting screens that look similar to this?
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Just remember, even if the Cerberus Network is successful with paid DLC and may necessitate an Internet connection eventually, many people will still buy it because it's BioWare. Others, however, may resort to less... restrictive methods.

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Modifié par Ecael, 19 mars 2010 - 02:52 .


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bjdbwea

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Very good question, though I doubt they know already, let alone tell us. In fact, has it even been confirmed that ME 3 will be available for PC?

I only know that I initially didn't buy ME 1 because of DRM (only bought it once the price dropped considerably), and I will never buy a game that requires a permanent internet connection for a single player game. Not even a game from BioWare, not even a game in the ME universe.

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ME2 DLC issues is a bug, confirmed by Bioware.

http://social.biowar...06/index/782565



They are fixing at the moment, and never had an intention to make ME2 unplayable offline.

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Welcome to Next-Gen anti-piracy... which has failed again, as the "pirates"(Yarr har har!) have circumvented it.

And which again causes problems for those who don't like to be either constantly connected to the internet or run on a network they can't modify to grant permissions, such as a University one.



One of the reasons consoles are doing more successfully than PC games is because of DRM and so on. It's a burden, it's like goddamn Norton. It's supposed to do something, you swear it is, and yet all you can see is your computer slowly dying from failure.

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bjdbwea wrote...

Very good question, though I doubt they know already, let alone tell us. In fact, has it even been confirmed that ME 3 will be available for PC?

I only know that I initially didn't buy ME 1 because of DRM (only bought it once the price dropped considerably), and I will never buy a game that requires a permanent internet connection for a single player game. Not even a game from BioWare, not even a game in the ME universe.


I am pretty much of the same opinion. My connection is fairly stable, but does drop occasionally and the last thing I want when I have no net connection is to be barred from playing single player games that I have paid for. I'll go back to tabletop gaming if I have to.

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OneBadAssMother

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Until the bug is fixed, I play offline without DLC - thats the only way to prevent disappointment when you can't connect to cerberus and can't load your savegame.

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If Mass Effect 3 requires a constant always on internet connection to play Single Player then I most certainly will not be buying it. If the only way they can come up with to protect their games is horrible DRM like this then just don't bother making the game for the PC at all.




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Anything put in to a game/cd can be taken out by anyone determined enough. Better to avoid the trouble by not putting in what people don't want there.

It's like Youtube and WMG all over again. Everybody ripped the songs they wanted, muting videos wasn't doing anything to deaden that fact.

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Charmingcharlie: If that happens (its not on PC), I'm done with Bioware. (I'm already "Done" with all other EA companies.)

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I was playing DA:O and because I wasn't online with it. It won't let me play my character because of shales DLC. I have a question and its to both of your articles. Did the make an update on this problem or do I have to constantly be online to play the game, because whats going to happen is if EA. Makes you be online to play a game. Guess what they will lose more money and more customers in the long run. Biowares not stupid they won't allow it even if EA tries to force it on them. At some point bioware is going to buy there own dang stock back from EA and when they finally become their own company I will be at biowares front door in Austin and I will have an army of nerds on are knees with lots of cakes and beer for one hell of a party!

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Don't worry. Pirates will crack it soon and EA/Ubisoft will realize that their protection has failed and they'll revert back to standard DRM

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OneBadAssMother

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I dont understand, I was always able to play DA:O offline WITH DLC... =/

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I certainly hope we never see persistent online drm for any bioware games. there is no way i could support any game made by any developer that required persistent online drm.

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bjdbwea wrote...

Very good question, though I doubt they know already, let alone tell us. In fact, has it even been confirmed that ME 3 will be available for PC?

I only know that I initially didn't buy ME 1 because of DRM (only bought it once the price dropped considerably), and I will never buy a game that requires a permanent internet connection for a single player game. Not even a game from BioWare, not even a game in the ME universe.

The Steam version of ME1 removed the SecuROM, though.

If Mass Effect 3 is not on PC, that would an outrage (sorry, no Udina subtitle here). The least they could do is sell it exclusively on Steam.

ME2 DLC issues is a bug, confirmed by Bioware.

I didn't refer to the ME2 DLC bug at all (and I hope that bug gets fixed soon).

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Well in that case and completely on-topic...following Bioware patterns, I doubt they will make ME3 online-to-play. They will ****** off a lot of long-term fans.



Knowing them however, they listen to their fans. I wouldn't worry so much.

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Agreed, copy protection is only a burden to those who play by the rules, piracy isn't exclusive to the PC community either (stating the obvious), anyone with a "modded" or "flashed" 360 will tell you that, or the countless ntsc, pal, rf being uploaded all over the internet.

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OneBadAssMother wrote...

Well in that case and completely on-topic...following Bioware patterns, I doubt they will make ME3 online-to-play. They will ****** off a lot of long-term fans.

Knowing them however, they listen to their fans. I wouldn't worry so much.

The problem is that it's not BioWare's decision - it's EA's.

John Schappert (Wrex. Schappert. Wrex. Schappert. Wrex.) of EA talks about the profitability of games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 in one of the articles, and how online services will be the future in revenue gain:

Electronic Arts Qtr. End Earnings Call Transcript

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Bioware still has been given a lot of free-reign in their products. Some factors show clear EA-ness, such as that annoying ingame salesman in DA camp. But DA DLC can still be played offline (I just confirmed this with other DA players because of the rumors that DA DLC now needs to be played online - a problem I never encountered)

And now Bioware confirms that the ME2 DLC online-only thing is a bug and they are trying to fix it at the moment. This pattern clearly shows that Bioware still has the last say when it comes to critical issues.

I am still always continually worried about EA's ownership of Bioware. But so far, they haven't done anything to make me go "[...] you EA, you just ruined the best gaming company in the world!" EA has been smart so far - they would be simply stupid to screw up Bioware.


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Modifié par Don Moar, 19 mars 2010 - 11:37 .


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The worst part is, if there's a widespread Boycott people won't even have to miss out on playing games they want, they can just download them.

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It's all about the dollars with these guys, no love for the little guy anymore =(

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This new system will eventually be cracked, and companies will eventually came back to another less intrusive system.

By the way, Bioware is creating a MMORPG. That will bring a lot of money (as there is no piracy for MMORPG).

As for Command And Conquer 4, I'm sure making a better game would have been a lot more effective than creating a whole new anti-piracy system.

So far, Bioware is creating great game. Obviously, Awakening is a bad example, as it doesn't worth the money as DAO or ME2 did. Unfortunately, Shadows of Amn had the same issue, and EA had nothing to do with it.




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I live in hell... and as such my connection is unstable as hell

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Nolenthar wrote...

This new system will eventually be cracked, and companies will eventually came back to another less intrusive system.
By the way, Bioware is creating a MMORPG. That will bring a lot of money (as there is no piracy for MMORPG).
As for Command And Conquer 4, I'm sure making a better game would have been a lot more effective than creating a whole new anti-piracy system.
So far, Bioware is creating great game. Obviously, Awakening is a bad example, as it doesn't worth the money as DAO or ME2 did. Unfortunately, Shadows of Amn had the same issue, and EA had nothing to do with it.


It already has been cracked. Even steam games have been cracked.

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the people who attacked ubisoft should go to jail. They are scum. Anyone who pirates and hacks are nothing but dirt, not heros.

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Shadows of Amn


Are you [...] kidding? BG2 was one of the best games EVER, PERIOD.


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