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[Raygereio]

Treekodar wrote...

Make the games bound to your hardware. There problem solved, The End.

Oh, yes. Wonderful idea, make the consumer buy a new version of the game everytime he upgrades his videocard. Or what happened to some people with games that had the full secuROM 7 suite, lose an activation even when they do something so simple as change a frigging RAM module.
 
The industry already had that idea, ME1 had it too. It was also bad.

Edit; dear Ao, just got quadrupal ninja'd.

Modifié par Raygereio, 19 mars 2010 - 07:01 .

[Dethateer]

Still DRM, still intrusive, still useless. If anything, such DRM would only make me (along with quite a few other people, judging by this thread) stop buying games, because, as I said, someone would eventually find a way around the hardware checks.

Raygereio wrote...

Treekodar wrote...

Make
the games bound to your hardware. There problem solved, The End.

Oh,
yes. Wonderful idea, make the consumer buy a new version of the game
everytime he upgrades his videocard. Or what happened to some people
with games that had the full secuROM 7 suite, lose an activation even
when they do something so simple as change a frigging RAM module.
 
The
industry already had that idea, ME1 had it too. It was also
bad.

Bother reading what the man replied to a comment
nearly identical to yours before you stab him.

Modifié par Dethateer, 19 mars 2010 - 07:00 .

[DeadRed1488]

Well, one of the new things they're talking about doing is storing your save games in an online database instead of on the computer. I've sat around playing pc games for a long time and I've watched this DRM stuff get worse. They'll hopefully learn when no one buys their product. I, for one, will not buy any single player game that requires an internet connection to play. When their sales drop, they'll cut that **** out.

[Raygereio]

Dethateer wrote...
Bother reading what the man replied to a comment nearly identical to yours before you stab him.

For one that post wasn't there when I opened this thread, read the now previous page and clicked on reply. I couldn't have noticed it later because this forum doesn't have a preview option nor am I in the habit of opening threads in another windows when I'm typing a reply and furiously mash the refresh button to make sure my post isn't redundant. Sorry about that.

Seconldy; I've just read what the man replied to a comment nearly identical to mine. It's still a stupid idea.

[Dethateer]

Unfortunately, sales won't drop, because there are too many people who are elitist dicks and think they're supporting gaming if they allow crap like this into their computers (note that I myself was one of those elitist dicks, I own ME1, Spore, Dead Spahees and Crysis Warhead, i.e. last two years' worst offenders when it comes to DRM). But I'll be damned if I buy AC2 or C&C4. Or any games with THIS kind of DRM.

"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

[e] My apologies, then, Ray.

Modifié par Dethateer, 19 mars 2010 - 07:12 .

[xDarkicex]

charmingcharlie wrote...

If Mass Effect 3 requires a constant always on internet connection to play Single Player then I most certainly will not be buying it. If the only way they can come up with to protect their games is horrible DRM like this then just don't bother making the game for the PC at all.

WOWOWOWOW calm down there scotty

This game has to come out on PC if it doesn't then I will QQ and never buy another Bioware game 
That doesn't even make sense to have PC support for over have the storyline then cut PC support at the end if anything stop making for Xbox, yeah doesn't make you xbox owners feel to good either =p

And cracks to get around thi stuff is already out for AC2 

[Chala]

please no, in arg the internet connection sucks!

[charmingcharlie]

xDarkicex wrote...

WOWOWOWOW calm down there scotty

This game has to come out on PC if it doesn't then I will QQ and never buy another Bioware game 
That doesn't even make sense to have PC support for over have the storyline then cut PC support at the end if anything stop making for Xbox, yeah doesn't make you xbox owners feel to good either =p

And cracks to get around thi stuff is already out for AC2 

Erm the next Mass Effect does not have to come out on the PC at all.  There is no legal obligation on Biowares part to release ME 3 on the PC just because ME 1 and 2 were on the PC.  The PC will get ME 3 as long as the powers that be decide ME 2 sold enough to justify making a PC version.

Not sure why you think it "doesn't make sense" I would say if a game series doesn't make enough money for them then it makes sense to discontinue that series.  I don't know if the PC version has been profitable for Bioware or EA.  Naturally I hope it has because I would like to see Mass Effect 3 on the PC.

However if they do bring Mass Effect 3 to the PC and it requires a constant internet activation then I will not buy it, I will not download it and I will not play it.  I find it unacceptable to pirate software for any reason and I find it unacceptable that I should have to resort to a "crack" to play my purchased game.  So the only acceptable course of action would be to totally ignore Mass Effect 3 altogether, but I am an adult so I do have that ability.

[Dethateer]

Wait, I don't get it. Why not release ME3 on the PC again?

[Daeion]

Cowboy_christo wrote...

Daeion wrote...

This is kind of funny, I was just listening to Giant Bombcast and they were blasting Ubisoft for this. Their solution to all of this though boiled down to not making games for the PC anymore. Not exactly a solution either. The problem is how does a company keep people with no morals from pirating their games while at the same time not affecting those who actually have morals and bought the game. Any time a company tries a new way of combating piracy everyone cries bloody murder, regardless of if it will really ever affect the,.

The truth is that they can and never will be able to stop pirating. I know more people who started downloading pirated version because of **** like this then just because they didnt wanted to pay for the game. There is so many group of people full of computer genius working day and night everytime there is a release. They should just stop pissing customer off because its the only thing they do. It doesnt slow down or stop pirating, it pretty much encourage it.

So your solution is that instead they should just stop trying to combat this?  Good solution.  I know stupid DRM things push people to get a pirated version, but that doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean it should be encouraged.  Instead, people should be working with the companies to find a solution that benefits both sides.

[Dethateer]

There is no way to stop piracy. As long as people have ingenuity, they'll always find a way to crack a game/program. Lack of DRM doesn't encourage piracy, since pirates don't have to deal with it anyway. All lack of DRM would do is make it a hell of a lot easier for legitimate users to enjoy the games.

Modifié par Dethateer, 19 mars 2010 - 07:22 .

[Darth_Trethon]

aaaaand that is what you get for playing on a PC.....a nearly unplayable game.

[Dethateer]

Don't turn this into a Failbawks vs PC flamewar, you imbecile.

[Daeion]

slimgrin wrote...

Daeion wrote...

This is kind of funny, I was just listening to Giant Bombcast and they were blasting Ubisoft for this. Their solution to all of this though boiled down to not making games for the PC anymore. Not exactly a solution either. The problem is how does a company keep people with no morals from pirating their games while at the same time not affecting those who actually have morals and bought the game. Any time a company tries a new way of combating piracy everyone cries bloody murder, regardless of if it will really ever affect the,.

A constant internet connection is b.s. Now I know I won't buy Asassins Creed.

There has to be a better way. I own SF4, and I cant even access all the features I have laboriously unlocked if without connecting to windows live, and that includes most of the characters.

And what do you say to those without internet? Tough s***t? Certainly they lose business that way too.

I just don't like the "club" business model for products. I don't think you should have to belong to anything once you have paid $50 for a game.

Oh I agree that a constant internet connection is BS and I wouldn't buy Asassisns Creed either, that doesn't mean though that companies shouldn't be trying to figure out ways to combat piracy.  I agree, once I pay my $50 for the game that should be the end of the discussion, however there are pleanty of people who aren't paying their $50.  Perhaps instead of getting upset with the developers for trying to mkae sure they get paid, we should instead be getting angry at the pirates.

[Daeion]

slimgrin wrote...

DRM is simply a way to turn larger profits. It's a "big business" model and as such it is fundamentally selfish.

This is where gaming is headed folks. It sucks, but its nice smaller companies, like CD PROJECT RED, are still around to hand out a fair deal.

And you're right Dethateer. I give this thread another hour or two before its cut.

Oh yes, heaven forbid someone actually wants to get paid for their work instead of just having people steal it from them....

[Darth_Trethon]

Dethateer wrote...

Don't turn this into a Failbawks vs PC flamewar, you imbecile.

You're making this personal and a platform war. I never insulted a gaming group nor did I try to start a flaming war. All I'm saying is that crap like this happens with every single game released on the PC....there's always some dozen or another of major problems that keep gamers from playing.

[Raygereio]

Dethateer wrote...

There is no way to stop piracy. As long as people have ingenuity, they'll always find a way to crack a game/program. Lack of DRM doesn't encourage piracy, since pirates don't have to deal with it anyway. All lack of DRM would do is make it a hell of a lot easier for legitimate users to enjoy the games.

True. There are two kinds of pirates.
The ones who'll never buy the game. Period. No DRM will deter this group.
The ones wo are driven to piracy (either full piracy or buying the game and then cracking it) because they are being treated as criminals. This group can easily be brought back into the fold by not treating them as criminals and not burdening the paying costumer with limitations a pirate won't have.

[xDarkicex]

charmingcharlie wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

WOWOWOWOW calm down there scotty

This game has to come out on PC if it doesn't then I will QQ and never buy another Bioware game 
That doesn't even make sense to have PC support for over have the storyline then cut PC support at the end if anything stop making for Xbox, yeah doesn't make you xbox owners feel to good either =p

And cracks to get around thi stuff is already out for AC2 

Erm the next Mass Effect does not have to come out on the PC at all.  There is no legal obligation on Biowares part to release ME 3 on the PC just because ME 1 and 2 were on the PC.  The PC will get ME 3 as long as the powers that be decide ME 2 sold enough to justify making a PC version.

Not sure why you think it "doesn't make sense" I would say if a game series doesn't make enough money for them then it makes sense to discontinue that series.  I don't know if the PC version has been profitable for Bioware or EA.  Naturally I hope it has because I would like to see Mass Effect 3 on the PC.

However if they do bring Mass Effect 3 to the PC and it requires a constant internet activation then I will not buy it, I will not download it and I will not play it.  I find it unacceptable to pirate software for any reason and I find it unacceptable that I should have to resort to a "crack" to play my purchased game.  So the only acceptable course of action would be to totally ignore Mass Effect 3 altogether, but I am an adult so I do have that ability.

I am an Adult As well, don't know why you through that out there?
No legal obligation sure, moral obligation Yes, screwing over thousands of fans is a huge no no.

Besides I have no fear of this happening Bioware started making games on the PC long before the xbox and for every game they have ever made for the xbox they have also made a great PC counter part.

Modifié par xDarkicex, 19 mars 2010 - 07:33 .

[Dethateer]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

Don't
turn this into a Failbawks vs PC flamewar, you imbecile.

You're
making this personal and a platform war. I never insulted a gaming
group nor did I try to start a flaming war. All I'm saying is that crap
like this happens with every single game released on the PC....there's
always some dozen or another of major problems that keep gamers from
playing.

There are no unplayable games on the
PC, unless you have 10 year-old hardware or are incapable of
google-searching. Not to mention the mods.

Ray...

Dethateer wrote...

There are two types of pirates: those who can't aquire games by legal means, but would, and will, the instant they can, and those who wouldn't buy the games anyway. Neither of those groups represents lost sales, rendering the "OMG, PIRACY IS KILLING GAMING!" argument moot. (hint: do you people, who support that argument, have the slightest idea how rampant piracy was in the late '90s, during the golden age, and games still turned enormous profits?)

I stand corrected. Yours would be the third class of pirates.

[Daeion]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

aaaaand that is what you get for playing on a PC.....a nearly unplayable game.

For the most part you also get a better game.

[Epantiras]

charmingcharlie wrote...

If Mass Effect 3 requires a constant always on internet connection to play Single Player then I most certainly will not be buying it. If the only way they can come up with to protect their games is horrible DRM like this then just don't bother making the game for the PC at all.

I agree.

[xDarkicex]

Question/statement how is cracking a game you payed for pirating? pirating is stealing a game,software, music or movie cracking a game is not stealing from anyone and doesn't take any of the companies profit just makes it so you can play the game with out a disk and get around stupid DRMs NOT STEALING.

[Daeion]

slimgrin wrote...

what about a variation on the cd key concept?

I have no problem registering my games online.

Illegal copies could be recognized by internet providers and that info could be relayed to the publisher. Maybe they already do something like this.

People always come up with a way to crack CD keys.  I honestly don't know what a good solution is, perhaps some sort of intermitint check like once an hour or so, I just don't feel people should be blaming the developers for wanting to get paid.

Modifié par Daeion, 19 mars 2010 - 07:39 .

[Dethateer]

No one is. But DRM just loses them money, it doesn't make them any. No one's going to say: "OMFG, THAT GAEM HAS DRM, I HAZ TO BUY IT OR I WON'T GET TO PLAY!", they'll just wait for the inevitable crack. DRM doesn't bring devs profits, it only annoys legitimate customers.