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[Daeion]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

like steam, everybody loves steam
but hey now seriously there are a lot of good way to make people buy a original game :
1- a lot of FREE and GOOD free content for people who bought a original game.
2- normal prices (here in my country a game cost $ 120-50 and is the principal cause of piracy here).
3- stop doing stupid things like drm or cut content of the game and then release it a s paid dlc.

I other words: use honey if you want to attract bees

I've never used steam so I'm not sure how they prevent piracy.

If you go with #1, then you need to ensure that the initial cost of the game is enough to cover all this free content.  This however leads to games costing too much and that's your 2nd issue.  In the US a PC game will run you $10 less then a XBOX or PS3 game and yet people still pirate them.  Yes I am awar that some recent PC releases cost $60 as well.  

[Dethateer]

They only ban you from their own servers in multiplayer if you play with hacks or pirated games, nothing particularly horrible.

[xDarkicex]

Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Question/statement how is cracking a game you payed for pirating? pirating is stealing a game,software, music or movie cracking a game is not stealing from anyone and doesn't take any of the companies profit just makes it so you can play the game with out a disk and get around stupid DRMs NOT STEALING.

While I'm not a pirate, and I firmly believe that piracy IS WRONG, but theft
=/= piracy
Please see the following image for a handy guide. i28.tinypic.com/2m7xd85.jpg

That being said, while cracking a game you have paied for may not be piracy per say, you are still in violation of the ToS that you agreed to upon installation and legally are no better than someone who flat out pirated the game.

I would bet you dollars to donuts that the game devs don't agree with that statement 

Put it this guy has car for sale and says you can buy it but you got to sign an agreement saying you will never fix or change the engine you sign car needs fixing you fix guy is mad, now thats cracking this is pirating guy ask you to buy car sign agreements you flip him off jump in the car and drive away which is going to get you jail time?

[Daeion]

Sadist King wrote...

Does this DRM thing only go on the pc? Or will it be enabled to XBLA? If so, I'm truly f**ked cause I can't play online with my 360, since I got this wireless modem that's connected dirrectly to my pc, size of a usb key. Point is, if I need to be online while playing ME3, I'll f**king attach a bomb to myself and kill that f**ker that came up with that smart idea.

DRM tends to only affect PC games as it's much easier to pirate a PC game and you don't need to mod your system to play it.

[Ryzaki]

xDarkicex wrote...

Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Question/statement how is cracking a game you payed for pirating? pirating is stealing a game,software, music or movie cracking a game is not stealing from anyone and doesn't take any of the companies profit just makes it so you can play the game with out a disk and get around stupid DRMs NOT STEALING.

While I'm not a pirate, and I firmly believe that piracy IS WRONG, but theft
=/= piracy
Please see the following image for a handy guide. i28.tinypic.com/2m7xd85.jpg

That being said, while cracking a game you have paied for may not be piracy per say, you are still in violation of the ToS that you agreed to upon installation and legally are no better than someone who flat out pirated the game.

I would bet you dollars to donuts that the game devs don't agree with that statement 

Put it this guy has car for sale and says you can buy it but you got to sign an agreement saying you will never fix or change the engine you sign car needs fixing you fix guy is mad, now thats cracking this is pirating guy ask you to buy car sign agreements you flip him off jump in the car and drive away which is going to get you jail time?

You iddn't bother looking at the link did you.

It would be more like someone making an exact duplicate of the car and driving off in it leaving the original car intact while the other person mods the engine.

[Daeion]

Mimaiselphenai wrote...

Companies just need to face the fact that they'll never stop piraters. People rip video games in their free time. Imagine if it was their job.

The police just need to face the fact that they'll never stop murder.....  Just because we can't stop something, doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

[Dethateer]

Ryzaki wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Question/statement how is cracking a game you payed for pirating? pirating is stealing a game,software, music or movie cracking a game is not stealing from anyone and doesn't take any of the companies profit just makes it so you can play the game with out a disk and get around stupid DRMs NOT STEALING.

While I'm not a pirate, and I firmly believe that piracy IS WRONG, but theft
=/= piracy
Please see the following image for a handy guide. i28.tinypic.com/2m7xd85.jpg

That being said, while cracking a game you have paied for may not be piracy per say, you are still in violation of the ToS that you agreed to upon installation and legally are no better than someone who flat out pirated the game.

I would bet you dollars to donuts that the game devs don't agree with that statement 

Put it this guy has car for sale and says you can buy it but you got to sign an agreement saying you will never fix or change the engine you sign car needs fixing you fix guy is mad, now thats cracking this is pirating guy ask you to buy car sign agreements you flip him off jump in the car and drive away which is going to get you jail time?

You iddn't bother looking at the link did you.

It would be more like someone making an exact duplicate of the car and driving off in it leaving the original car intact while the other person mods the engine to catch up with you.

Fix'd.

Modifié par Dethateer, 19 mars 2010 - 08:17 .

[Daeion]

charmingcharlie wrote...
I don't think you can rely on loyalty either, there are plenty of examples of companies that started life on the PC they owe their very existence to the PC and yet now they couldn't give a crap about the PC.  I am not saying Bioware could become one of those companies but stranger things have happened.

Lucas Arts.....

[radwimp]

Also I think Bioware really showed what should be done. Simple disc checks with their recent games, treat your fans fairly and both their recent titles sold very well.

[Contempt6289]

xDarkicex wrote...

Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Question/statement how is cracking a game you payed for pirating? pirating is stealing a game,software, music or movie cracking a game is not stealing from anyone and doesn't take any of the companies profit just makes it so you can play the game with out a disk and get around stupid DRMs NOT STEALING.

While I'm not a pirate, and I firmly believe that piracy IS WRONG, but theft
=/= piracy
Please see the following image for a handy guide. i28.tinypic.com/2m7xd85.jpg

That being said, while cracking a game you have paied for may not be piracy per say, you are still in violation of the ToS that you agreed to upon installation and legally are no better than someone who flat out pirated the game.

I would bet you dollars to donuts that the game devs don't agree with that statement 

Put it this guy has car for sale and says you can buy it but you got to sign an agreement saying you will never fix or change the engine you sign car needs fixing you fix guy is mad, now thats cracking this is pirating guy ask you to buy car sign agreements you flip him off jump in the car and drive away which is going to get you jail time?

The key word in the line you highlited was **LEGALLY**, wheter the devs agree or not is immaterial.

[Daeion]

slimgrin wrote...

Treekodar wrote...

It's not about piracy, it's about re-selling games...

Very true. We are all focusing on the wrong issue. Both the pc and console publishers want to curb the resale of games.

Still bulls**t, though. They need to rethink the problem and catch up with the digital age, not try to own it.

There's PC game resllers?

[It Is Massively Effective]

Ryzaki wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Question/statement how is cracking a game you payed for pirating? pirating is stealing a game,software, music or movie cracking a game is not stealing from anyone and doesn't take any of the companies profit just makes it so you can play the game with out a disk and get around stupid DRMs NOT STEALING.

While I'm not a pirate, and I firmly believe that piracy IS WRONG, but theft
=/= piracy
Please see the following image for a handy guide. i28.tinypic.com/2m7xd85.jpg

That being said, while cracking a game you have paied for may not be piracy per say, you are still in violation of the ToS that you agreed to upon installation and legally are no better than someone who flat out pirated the game.

I would bet you dollars to donuts that the game devs don't agree with that statement 

Put it this guy has car for sale and says you can buy it but you got to sign an agreement saying you will never fix or change the engine you sign car needs fixing you fix guy is mad, now thats cracking this is pirating guy ask you to buy car sign agreements you flip him off jump in the car and drive away which is going to get you jail time?

You iddn't bother looking at the link did you.

It would be more like someone making an exact duplicate of the car and driving off in it leaving the original car intact while the other person mods the engine.

or there's this one lol

[Chala]

Daeion wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

like steam, everybody loves steam
but hey now seriously there are a lot of good way to make people buy a original game :
1- a lot of FREE and GOOD free content for people who bought a original game.
2- normal prices (here in my country a game cost $ 120-50 and is the principal cause of piracy here).
3- stop doing stupid things like drm or cut content of the game and then release it a s paid dlc.

I other words: use honey if you want to attract bees

I've never used steam so I'm not sure how they prevent piracy.

If you go with #1, then you need to ensure that the initial cost of the game is enough to cover all this free content.  This however leads to games costing too much and that's your 2nd issue.  In the US a PC game will run you $10 less then a XBOX or PS3 game and yet people still pirate them.  Yes I am awar that some recent PC releases cost $60 as well.  

sorry the 2° point i wrote it wrong it cost us from 120 to 500 and seriuosly, 500 for a game is stupid

[Contempt6289]

It Is Massively Effective wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Question/statement how is cracking a game you payed for pirating? pirating is stealing a game,software, music or movie cracking a game is not stealing from anyone and doesn't take any of the companies profit just makes it so you can play the game with out a disk and get around stupid DRMs NOT STEALING.

While I'm not a pirate, and I firmly believe that piracy IS WRONG, but theft
=/= piracy
Please see the following image for a handy guide. i28.tinypic.com/2m7xd85.jpg

That being said, while cracking a game you have paied for may not be piracy per say, you are still in violation of the ToS that you agreed to upon installation and legally are no better than someone who flat out pirated the game.

I would bet you dollars to donuts that the game devs don't agree with that statement 

Put it this guy has car for sale and says you can buy it but you got to sign an agreement saying you will never fix or change the engine you sign car needs fixing you fix guy is mad, now thats cracking this is pirating guy ask you to buy car sign agreements you flip him off jump in the car and drive away which is going to get you jail time?

You iddn't bother looking at the link did you.

It would be more like someone making an exact duplicate of the car and driving off in it leaving the original car intact while the other person mods the engine.

or there's this one lol

I havent seen that one before, you sir just made me lol, hard.

[Dethateer]

Eh, Chala (why do I keep getting the feeling that means weed?) has a point. In less... "advanced" countries (like the ones in Eastern Europe) and South America have enormously high prices on import stuff, including games, plus the monthly wages are lower.

[Ryzaki]

Dethateer wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Question/statement how is cracking a game you payed for pirating? pirating is stealing a game,software, music or movie cracking a game is not stealing from anyone and doesn't take any of the companies profit just makes it so you can play the game with out a disk and get around stupid DRMs NOT STEALING.

While I'm not a pirate, and I firmly believe that piracy IS WRONG, but theft
=/= piracy
Please see the following image for a handy guide. i28.tinypic.com/2m7xd85.jpg

That being said, while cracking a game you have paied for may not be piracy per say, you are still in violation of the ToS that you agreed to upon installation and legally are no better than someone who flat out pirated the game.

I would bet you dollars to donuts that the game devs don't agree with that statement 

Put it this guy has car for sale and says you can buy it but you got to sign an agreement saying you will never fix or change the engine you sign car needs fixing you fix guy is mad, now thats cracking this is pirating guy ask you to buy car sign agreements you flip him off jump in the car and drive away which is going to get you jail time?

You iddn't bother looking at the link did you.

It would be more like someone making an exact duplicate of the car and driving off in it leaving the original car intact while the other person mods the engine to catch up with you.

Fix'd.

But since they had to waste time breaking all the stupid warrenty crap on the engine I got away.

[Dethateer]

And you're happily enjoying your brand-new car while the other guy is struggling to make his work.

[xDarkicex]

Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Question/statement how is cracking a game you payed for pirating? pirating is stealing a game,software, music or movie cracking a game is not stealing from anyone and doesn't take any of the companies profit just makes it so you can play the game with out a disk and get around stupid DRMs NOT STEALING.

While I'm not a pirate, and I firmly believe that piracy IS WRONG, but theft
=/= piracy
Please see the following image for a handy guide. i28.tinypic.com/2m7xd85.jpg

That being said, while cracking a game you have paied for may not be piracy per say, you are still in violation of the ToS that you agreed to upon installation and legally are no better than someone who flat out pirated the game.

I would bet you dollars to donuts that the game devs don't agree with that statement 

Put it this guy has car for sale and says you can buy it but you got to sign an agreement saying you will never fix or change the engine you sign car needs fixing you fix guy is mad, now thats cracking this is pirating guy ask you to buy car sign agreements you flip him off jump in the car and drive away which is going to get you jail time?

The key word in the line you highlited was **LEGALLY**, wheter the devs agree or not is immaterial.

No its not most the legal jargon is only there to please the higher up and the higher ups only care about how much money they are making so even if  Every owner of the PC game cracked it, they would still make the exact same amount of money if every owner of the PC game pirated it they wouldn't make squat and the higher ups that write BS legal laws would be all pissed

It comes down to this Cracking a game doesn't take money form there pockets so legally its not the same
Try getting someone convicted for doing what they like with there property, not an easy task even if they have a TOS
Try getting someone convicted for stealing very easy.

[Ryzaki]

....Dude look at the image above! Piracy =/= stealing.

If someome burned a copy of your favorite movie and placed the movie back where they found it before leaving you don't lose anything meanwhile if they steal your favorite movie you're gonna be pissed because its GONE you can no longer use it! The pirated copy has no bearing on the original it duplicated the data and left the original completely intact while stealing removes the original.

Edit: No I do not endorse piracy. But it is not theft.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 mars 2010 - 08:34 .

[Dethateer]

Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex
wrote...

Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex
wrote...
 
STUFF

MORE STUFF

EVEN MORE STUFF

No
its not most the legal jargon is only there to please the higher up and
the higher ups only care about how much money they are making so even
if  Every owner of the PC game cracked it, they would still make the
exact same amount of money if every owner of the PC game pirated it they
wouldn't make squat and the higher ups that write BS legal laws would
be all pissed

It comes down to this Cracking a game doesn't take
money form there pockets so legally its not the same
Try getting
someone convicted for doing what they like with there property, not an
easy task even if they have a TOS
Try getting someone convicted for
stealing very easy.

Dethateer wrote...

Eh... you don't actually ever own a game, according to the EULA (granted, I haven't bothered reading one in two years), regardless of what you payed for it or DRM. The publisher has the right to order you to stop using the product and destroy your copy with no refund at any time. Granted, there's no way in hell to enforce that, but still.

Modifié par Dethateer, 19 mars 2010 - 08:35 .

[xDarkicex]

Yes Pirating does = stealing just because its digital and doesn't feel bad doesn't mean its not stealing and ripping off the make of said stolen property.



Making an exact copy of what is in a store and giving it out for free hmm sounds different if it applied to clothing or something physical, but this isn't its data a company only makes one copy then makes copies of it too sell.

[Daeion]

Dethateer wrote...

Eh, Chala (why do I keep getting the feeling that means weed?) has a point. In less... "advanced" countries (like the ones in Eastern Europe) and South America have enormously high prices on import stuff, including games, plus the monthly wages are lower.

I have a buddy who lives in Brazil and his PS3 cost him 1550 Brazilian Real which is about 878 US Dollars.

[Chala]

Dethateer wrote...

Eh, Chala (why do I keep getting the feeling that means weed?) has a point. In less... "advanced" countries (like the ones in Eastern Europe) and South America have enormously high prices on import stuff, including games, plus the monthly wages are lower.

because chala is a plant that makes you fly
ahem...
and yes the games here are too expensive. But the most people if see a original game at low price, ($60, $80) buys it without any problem. I other words the only thing that for us is a proble is the price, the rest... well, is not a real problem (exept the ACII's DRM that is a pain in the "$#")  

[Ryzaki]

xDarkicex wrote...

Yes Pirating does = stealing just because its digital and doesn't feel bad doesn't mean its not stealing and ripping off the make of said stolen property.

Making an exact copy of what is in a store and giving it out for free hmm sounds different if it applied to clothing or something physical, but this isn't its data a company only makes one copy then makes copies of it too sell.

*sighs* So according to you if someone writes a paper and someone else copies the paper word for word they stole that person's paper. Even though the other person still has it and can use it? (No let's pretend for the sake of this argument the copier referenced the paper correctly)

I'm not saying that piracy isn't wrong (frankly its copyright infringment and not even piracy) but to say that its on the same level as stealing is a grave error.

Say if you made a copy of a book. You scan it and post it online. You didn't steal the book you commited copyright infringment. The original book is still there but the information stored on it is now duplicated and given away free of charge. That is not stealing. Stealing removes the original. Walking into a store and walking out with the book is stealing. There is now one less copy in the story. Taking the book scanning it and placing it back. There are still the same amount of books on the shelf only difference is that you know have the data without paying for the actual book.

What is so hard to understand about that?

...you realize that applies for more than just games though right? What about audiobooks? Normal books? CDs? Music? Movies?

Its considered copyright infrignment. You aren't stealing anything.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 mars 2010 - 08:46 .

[Chala]

doble post

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 19 mars 2010 - 08:46 .