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No, they shouldn't. But it renders your argument invalid, since a DEV used something you call illegal.


I think you may be reading some of my posts incorrectly, or at least in a manner other than which they were intended,.

The only post that was a direct responce to you was the one regarding GTA and DA:O, and that was not ment in a argumenative way, I was simply pointing out the exceptions to what you stated, I otherwise agree and suppoted your post. Otherwise, nearly all of my posts were made directly at MR. xDarkicex.

I'm also not sure how a dev doing something wrong nullifies my post, it just proved that they do the same thing that they fight against.

Dethateer wrote...
You seem to be unable to understand that
DRM DOES NOT PREVENT PIRACY. IT ONLY LOSES THE DEVS MONEY AND TIME
WASTED ON ITS DEVELOPMENT.


I fully understand that and agree with you completely, I'm very against DRM, the only form of I I consider acceptable is a *key* verification, I'm not a fan of having my disk drive occupied as a form of DRM.

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Contempt6289 wrote...

xDarkicex
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Dethateer wrote...

Contempt6289
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Dethateer wrote...

You also violate the
EULA by cheating and modding.


Assuming the cheats are not
build in (GTA) or the modding is done with an authorized tool (DA:O).


My
point was that there's a lot of s**t you can do to violate the EULA,
that no one gives a flying f**k about. You cracking your game to remove
the risk of snapping the disk in half (as is the case with ME2's CE
disks) won't bug Bioware in the slightest, despite them officially
saying otherwise.


Exactly you already gave them
their 100$ they don't care if you break those silly rules.
Bioware
lets you upload mods for me2 on this site even though its against the
games rules..


You completely missed my point, I
understand that Bioware/EA is not going to care that you purchased the
game and cracked the DRM for your personal use, I wan't saying
otherwise.

On a side note, who do you think put out the no-cd
cracks/DRM bypasses that you seem so fond of, because it's certainly not
a legitimate orginzation.


What is your point?
your point is Moot and you just admitted it by saying they don't care.
well
I personally get mine from a hacker group with strike rules against
name dropping you got to have coding skills to get in and its on a
strike invite only basis but for most people I would say skidrow makes a
lot of them and their cracks are virus free if you get them from the
source so thats pretty legit if you ask me.


I have made my point very clear by now, go back and check my previous posts. my point is simply that regardless how developers or producers feel, by pirating the game you are breaking rule "A" or by purchasing a game and using a crack of some type you are breaking rule "B". Just because the devs don't care that you broke rule B, but they do care that you broke rule A doesn't change the fact that you still broke the rules.

I'm not a fan of people that pick and choose what rules to follow (it's part of reason I many members of a religion that I will not name, but I suppose that is neither here nore there) if you are going to blast pirates for breaking the rules, you had better damn well follow all the other rules yourself.

Skidrow, Reloaded, and Razer1911 put the cracks out primarily for the "pirates", they are frequently raided and pursued by law enforcement agencys because they are breaking the law, hardly a legitimate orginzation if you ask me, and they don't pretend to be one.

If I'm coming off as incoherent it's because I AM a game developer, though not for Bioware, and I only had about two hours of sleep lastnight.

Modifié par Contempt6289, 19 mars 2010 - 09:37 .


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*sigh*

You don't pirate because you want to obey a rule, or because you want to support the dev?

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Dethateer wrote...

I nearly preordered C&C4...


Smart decision not to. I for one laughed my ass off when I heard of their retarded decision to make you have to be online all the time to play Command and Conquer 4.  And yesterday, just 2 days after US release of the game and 1 before EU release, does a crack for the new security option exist.

Game Companies should start realizing they won't beat hackers, for crying out loud anything can be hacked, ANYTHING, even the incredible firewalls of the Pentagon could be cracked if given time, how the hell does a mere game developer think it can win?

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

I nearly preordered C&C4...


Smart decision not to. I for one laughed my ass off when I heard of their retarded decision to make you have to be online all the time to play Command and Conquer 4.  And yesterday, just 2 days after US release of the game and 1 before EU release, does a crack for the new security option exist.

Game Companies should start realizing they won't beat hackers, for crying out loud anything can be hacked, ANYTHING, even the incredible firewalls of the Pentagon could be cracked if given time, how the hell does a mere game developer think it can win?


Didn't that already happen a couple of times?

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But no two rules in anything in Life are the same even in religion, all rules/laws and how they are treated are judged based on the crime what society sees as morally acceptable and what damage it has done.
Cracking doesn't damage profits so it doesn't get punished.
where as Pirating does.
sure the rule says both are bad, but they are not the same crime and should not be treated as such there for in reality they are not exactly the same and most game devs would see that.

And as for picking and choosing rules the world is not black and white. is not a game its not good or evil choose A or B.

Modifié par xDarkicex, 19 mars 2010 - 09:44 .


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Dethateer wrote...

*sigh*
You don't pirate because you want to obey a rule, or because you want to support the dev?


Me? I don't pirate because as a game developer I know what it's like so see something you have poured your heat and soul into distributed without reciving payment. I have the means to support Bioware, and so I do so. They are one of two teams that I will purchase games on name alone from, the other being Bethesda Softworks.

I couldn't care less about the "rules", I just dont like people that pick and chose what rules to follow, and then act all high and mighty when someone pickes a different ruleset.

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Well, not pirating =/= following a rule.

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The only problem is that you can't prove that piracy hurts sales, you can only assume that.

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Only assume by a simple fact that most people that spend 24+ hours DL 7+GBs wanted to play the game bad enough to lag their internet for that long so hell even if only half of the thousands that pirated would really buy thats still a huge amount of profit.

Lets assume 1000 people DL the game 1/2 would really buy thats 500x54$=27,000$

Modifié par xDarkicex, 19 mars 2010 - 09:50 .


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Problem is, you're also assuming those people would buy the game if they couldn't get it otherwise.

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xDarkicex wrote...

Only assume by a simple fact that most people that spend 24+ hours DL 7+GBs wanted to play the game bad enough to lag their internet for that long so hell even if only half of the thousands that pirated would really buy thats still a huge amount of profit.


I download things all the time without lagging my internet. Limiting your download and upload speed to about ~200 under your available bandwidth and you should never notice a change.

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Dethateer wrote...

Problem is, you're also assuming those people would buy the game if they couldn't get it otherwise.


Exactly.

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Didn't that already happen a couple of times?



Many times in fact.

I don't have a issue with pirates, neither do I have a issue with people who pay for every game they want. I do have a issue with people who complain ( pirates mostly but even paying cusomers )

Problem is, you're also assuming those people would buy the game if they couldn't get it otherwise.


You can get any game you want today for free, moral rules or what not, you can.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 19 mars 2010 - 09:54 .


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thats why I said half of them and Thats a pretty close assumption. give or take

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xDarkicex wrote...

thats why I said half of them and Thats a pretty close assumption. give or take


It sure is.

- Another close assumption.
If I sell a picture of my back for 1$, but it gets downloaded by 10^googolplexx and we say that they all would've bought it (bringing sexy back), then that's a loss of 10^googolplexx $
When you assume something you can always make it work the way you want it.

Modifié par Treekodar, 19 mars 2010 - 09:57 .


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yeah IT IS because most the people the DL it because they can't afford it would have saved up if they had no other option and most people dont download 7-16GB unless their interest are already pecked if Pirating was not an option they would buy it.

yeah it is if anyone would want to buy a picture of your back which they wouldn't on the other hand 500,000 copies of ME2 sold in first 8 hours would say that this product has high demand.

Modifié par xDarkicex, 19 mars 2010 - 09:58 .


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xDarkicex wrote...

yeah IT IS because most the people the DL it because they can't afford it would have saved up if they had no other option and most people dont download 7-16GB unless their interest are already pecked if Pirating was not an option they would buy it.


So the poor student would save up for it? I hardly think so.

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yeah IT IS because most the people the DL it because they can't afford it would have saved up if they had no other option and most people dont download 7-16GB unless their interest are already pecked if Pirating was not an option they would buy it.


That is so far off the mark I don't even know were to start...

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Treekodar wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

yeah IT IS because most the people the DL it because they can't afford it would have saved up if they had no other option and most people dont download 7-16GB unless their interest are already pecked if Pirating was not an option they would buy it.


So the poor student would save up for it? I hardly think so.

this is why tons of dorms dont have xbox 360...
I had to save up for my dirt bike, hmm if I could had dl one for free you sure can bet I would have but thats not an option so I had to do what anyone that wants something but can't afford it does save up and buy it.

Modifié par xDarkicex, 19 mars 2010 - 10:02 .


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This is Bioware not EA. Even though they are owned by EA I doubt it will be online only. Probably the same system as ME 2 since it's so successful.



Fix for Assassin's Creed 2 has been patched by allowing you to start where you left off. Also the pirates seem unable to crack it, so perhaps it's the right move. Having to be connected to the internet does suck though. A disc check would be better for offline play.



No one is forcing you to buy those games so I don't see a problem.

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xDarkicex wrote...

Treekodar wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

yeah IT IS because most the people the DL it because they can't afford it would have saved up if they had no other option and most people dont download 7-16GB unless their interest are already pecked if Pirating was not an option they would buy it.


So the poor student would save up for it? I hardly think so.

this is why tons of dorms dont have xbox 360...


You know what? Forget this, I'm just going to resume trying to catch Jigglypuff.

Modifié par Treekodar, 19 mars 2010 - 10:01 .


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Treekodar wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Treekodar wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

yeah IT IS because most the people the DL it because they can't afford it would have saved up if they had no other option and most people dont download 7-16GB unless their interest are already pecked if Pirating was not an option they would buy it.


So the poor student would save up for it? I hardly think so.

this is why tons of dorms dont have xbox 360...


You know what? Forget this, I'm just going to resume trying to catch Jigglypuff.


playing the new pokemon?

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Realmjumper wrote...

This is Bioware not EA. Even though they are owned by EA I doubt it will be online only. Probably the same system as ME 2 since it's so successful.

Fix for Assassin's Creed 2 has been patched by allowing you to start where you left off. Also the pirates seem unable to crack it, so perhaps it's the right move. Having to be connected to the internet does suck though. A disc check would be better for offline play.

No one is forcing you to buy those games so I don't see a problem.


No. Just no. That kind of DRM is NEVER a right move, no matter how effective it is. Besides, it WILL get cracked.

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xDarkicex wrote...

Treekodar wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

Treekodar wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...

yeah IT IS because most the people the DL it because they can't afford it would have saved up if they had no other option and most people dont download 7-16GB unless their interest are already pecked if Pirating was not an option they would buy it.


So the poor student would save up for it? I hardly think so.

this is why tons of dorms dont have xbox 360...


You know what? Forget this, I'm just going to resume trying to catch Jigglypuff.


playing the new pokemon?


Actually I'm playing Pokémon Blue. Going to get Mew with the glitch.

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I just read an article in PC Power Play (Australian gaming magazine) and it outlined all the different types of DRM being used in the market today. BioWare is the ONLY company at the moment using a "rewards for buying" instead of a "punishment for pirating" system. I think this can only do good things for their reputation and I hope to god they do not decide to change this.