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[superimposed]

It is prohibited to remove EA's trademark, logo,

So, by renaming the opening files I'm a criminal?

[CmdrFenix83]

gloowacz wrote...

Cyvian wrote...

BusomJack, the small icon below my Avatr with the 2 in it means I own a full legal copy of Mass Effect 2. Guess what ? I still use No DVD patches so my disc is safely lying in my shelf should I need it for another install.

You think that's illegal ? Got news for you, buddy. It ain't.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong.

From E:\\\\Mass Effect 2\\\\docs\\\\Eula.rtf (i had to translate it myself to english cause it came in polish with my copy so the words can be different)

D. Further limitations. The right to use the Software is restricted by granted limited license and it is prohibited to copy, display, distribution, performances, publications, modify (1), create derivative works from (2), use the Software or its components in a manner different than the terms and conditions of a license. It is forbidden to take copies of the Software available on the network where it could be used by multiple users. It is prohibited to access the Software on a network where it could be downloaded by many users. It is prohibited to remove EA's trademark, logo, or legal information contained in the software or related items(3).

so,
1) prohibits you from using no-cd patch
2) prohibits creation of mods
3) prohibits using -nomovies command

Don't take me wrong, i'm not criticising what you are doing, as i do same with some of my games, but your statement was incorrect.

Breaking a EULA isn't against the law.  No one's going to come to your door and arrest you.  In fact, for a single player game, I'm not sure what they could do to you for breaking it.  Stuff like copyright infringement requires you to actually duplicate the game and give to someone else.  Using a no-cd patch and not letting anyone else get your discs doesn't break copyright.

[Terraneaux]

Cyvian wrote...

BusomJack, the small icon below my Avatr with the 2 in it means I own a full legal copy of Mass Effect 2. Guess what ? I still use No DVD patches so my disc is safely lying in my shelf should I need it for another install.

You think that's illegal ? Got news for you, buddy. It ain't.

Technically, it is, though I agree it shouldn't be.  A good portion of the DMCA we have in the US is unconstitutional or blatant pandering to media companies at the expense of consumers.  

[gloowacz]

superimposed wrote...

It is prohibited to remove EA's trademark, logo,

So, by renaming the opening files I'm a criminal?

No, it means that:

5. Termination of the contract.
This License shall remain in force until they expire. Your rights under this License will expire immediately and automatically without notice from EA if you do not fulfill any of the terms and conditions of this License. Immediately after the expiry of the contract you have to stop use of the Software and destroy all copies of which are in your possession or under your control. Termination does not affect any other rights or the EA practice and the law. Paragraphs 5-10 of this License shall in no case shall lapse upon the termination of the contract.

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Breaking a EULA isn't against the law.  No one's going to come to your door and arrest you.  In fact, for a single player game, I'm not sure what they could do to you for breaking it.  Stuff like copyright infringement requires you to actually duplicate the game and give to someone else.  Using a no-cd patch and not letting anyone else get your discs doesn't break copyright.

oh?

13. Governing Law.
If the inhabitant of the European Union Member States:
(i) this License, and your use the Application is subject to the laws of England, excluding the provisions relating to conflicts of laws, and
(ii) you agree that exclusive jurisdiction in all claims or lawsuits arising out of or relating to this license and / or use of your Application to the courts of England and agree to use the personal jurisdiction of those courts.

If you live in other territories:
(i) this license and the use of your Application subject to the laws of the State of California, excluding the provisions relating to conflicts of laws, and
(ii) you agree that exclusive jurisdiction in all claims or lawsuits arising out of or relating to this License and / or use of your Application to the federal or state courts of San Mateo County, California, and agree to use the personal jurisdiction of those courts.

Please note that your conduct may be also regulated by other laws local, state, national and international. The Parties agree that the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods (Vienna, 1980) did not apply to this License or to any dispute or transaction arising out of this with the License.

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Breaking a EULA isn't against the law.  No one's going to come to your door and arrest you.  In fact, for a single player game, I'm not sure what they could do to you for breaking it.  Stuff like copyright infringement requires you to actually duplicate the game and give to someone else.  Using a no-cd patch and not letting anyone else get your discs doesn't break copyright.

I believe you are right, but it still violates EULA, as change to any part of the game (including MassEffect2.exe) is an modification to an Application as a whole.

Modifié par gloowacz, 19 mars 2010 - 08:31 .

[geekeffect]

Hmm... Going back to the OP's question, I don't imagine BioWare going down that road. Confession: I'm an X360 player, and reading these forums I often feel like I'm the only dude out here who doesn't have Xbox Live... yep, missing all the DLCs... But I think ME2 is a pretty solid game out of the box, so I don't feel like I'm missing much... At least I'm trying to convince myself...

Mainly, I think this strategy, as followed by Ubisoft, will fail for having negative consequences in terms of sales. I found Assassin's Creed 2 a very nice game and I'm pleased that PC players now have a chance to play it. But from reading some feedback on what happened, lot's of people reacted negatively and said they wouldn't buy the game because of the online requirements. It's very sad to see a good game suffer such a negative reception, but it's all on Ubisoft's fault.

So I don't imagine EA taking that direction for ME3. But I wonder if this is not the trend to be followed later in the future, in terms of the next generation of consoles and PC gaming as well.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

geekeffect wrote...

Hmm... Going back to the OP's question, I don't imagine BioWare going down that road. Confession: I'm an X360 player, and reading these forums I often feel like I'm the only dude out here who doesn't have Xbox Live... yep, missing all the DLCs... But I think ME2 is a pretty solid game out of the box, so I don't feel like I'm missing much... At least I'm trying to convince myself...
Mainly, I think this strategy, as followed by Ubisoft, will fail for having negative consequences in terms of sales. I found Assassin's Creed 2 a very nice game and I'm pleased that PC players now have a chance to play it. But from reading some feedback on what happened, lot's of people reacted negatively and said they wouldn't buy the game because of the online requirements. It's very sad to see a good game suffer such a negative reception, but it's all on Ubisoft's fault.
So I don't imagine EA taking that direction for ME3. But I wonder if this is not the trend to be followed later in the future, in terms of the next generation of consoles and PC gaming as well.

I actually don't use xbox live either, and was VERY annoyed at the update "necessary" to play Assassin's Creed 2, namely the Mii rip-off. I had been avoiding that like the plague, but to have it shoved down your throat just to be able to play a game I paid for in full because it's deemed necessary is just plain wrong.

[hwf]

Unless something really silly happens at EA, doubt it.
The industry as a whole is heading towards fully-online experiences though. OnLive's tech looks promising to me, even though I wouldn't want to use it for singleplayer experience. Mass Effect 3 doesn't really have anything to offer with an online experience - whereas StarCraft 2 definitely has added value with a permanently online experience.

EA's a bit in a bind though. EA's CEO John Riccitiello mentioned that EA's still in "a six-foot hole" with 11 straight quarters of losses.
Who knows what can happen in roughly two years.

[Karstedt]

Spuudle wrote...

does it really matter?

Yes. I would be forced to play without purchasing.

[Jarcander]

So modding and no-cd cracks are illegal, but that doesn't mean they are frowned upon by Bioware. The legal bulls*** is added so they have the leverage if someone seriously abuses their product, not to nail down people who want to improve the gaming experience for everyone. They won't do anything against people using mods, no-cd cracks.

[Karstedt]

hwf wrote...

EA's a bit in a bind though. EA's CEO John Riccitiello mentioned that EA's still in "a six-foot hole" with 11 straight quarters of losses.
Who knows what can happen in roughly two years.

That oughtta teach them to quite crappifying things... wait what am I saying... they'll never learn.

[Jarcander]

@Maviarab

No one in process of making a thread like that, wiseguy.

I think it was already generally known that it's technically illegal so no need to waste your breath. Feel free to quote EULA for the rest of the night if you wish, but some people are more practical than that. We want more comfortable, easy gaming.

And yes, this thread is starting to become ripe for a "lock", mostly because this is not the place to discuss this.

Modifié par Jarcander, 19 mars 2010 - 09:30 .

[adam_grif]

Busomjack wrote...

You do realize that if you get banend from these forums that you will also lose your Cerberus network access thus barring you from all future DLC and the loss of any current DLC items?

BTW, reported.

Modding your game isn't illegal you idiot. Neither is downloading DLC from alternate sources. How about you ease the trigger finger there before you get banned for reporting people who've done nothing wrong.

[hwf]

Karstedt wrote...
That oughtta teach them to quite crappifying things... wait what am I saying... they'll never learn.

There are lot of benefits to EA going bankrupt though. Like Bioware picking up Origin Systems Inc. intellectual property.

And it doesn't really matter what a EULA or other legal document says you can and cannot do to your software.
If the developers of the software have a way to shut you out and they do shut you out, what are you going to do about that? Sue? -Ha! No really you're screwed.

And yes Maviarab, it does have a lot to offer to the publisher and they're in a spot right now that they don't care about the negative sideeffects like loss of goodwill. But I don't see ME3 having the capability of doing just that since it's Unreal 3.5 and not a proprietary engine like Ubisoft uses for Assassin's Creed 2. Bioware does have the technology to do it though, and Dragon Age just might go that route since they got player profiles going already for that, including hundreds of megabytes of storage space? -Seems really easy to integrate savegames with that.
But not Mass Effect 3 - in my opinion.

[adam_grif]

To everybody who thinks that Bioware cares about people modding their games:



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Modifié par adam_grif, 19 mars 2010 - 09:49 .