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[Tooneyman]

Well what if in the new DA all they do is just make it possible to import your character anyway, I mean I think just having that in general would be interesting plus it would make a lot of people happy. I'm sorry I just like the elf guy on my picture. Hes pretty cool the way I have developed him. Lets up it this way. Hes my cup of tea and I like drinking my tea alot. Even if its new story they should let us continue using the same characters at least if we want just like the idea in Awakening. You killed yourself in the old game, but you could have still imported your character anyway.

[blackeyes677]

MEUTRIERE wrote...

I would like DA:O2 to feature my Warden because I've grown attached to her, but I don't want to have the same companions from DA:O.  Cameos (and relatively large ones, not like the Alistair or Wynne minute-long appearance in Awakening) from Alistair, Leliana, Sten, etc. would be wonderful, but I don't want to go through another adventure with the same exact people.  I want new companions to learn about and grow on me.  That said, however, I want them to be better executed than the characters in Awakening.  I blame how short the expansion was, but I didn't really care in the end about any of the characters.

My thoughts exactly.  Plus, the ending left the door WIDE open for character rollover.

*light spoiler warning*

For my character, it was "time to move on" from being the commander, whereupon there were about 3 different scenarios laid out.  I mean, if they weren't planning the give character rollover wouldn't they have given a final closing to your character?  Maybe its just wishfull thinking, but I'd like the option.

Modifié par blackeyes677, 21 mars 2010 - 03:01 .

[Barbarossa2010]

Well according to the Wiki entry on Awakenings, it is stated that Awakeings is probably the last Expansion for the Origins Warden.

This just sucks worse and worse for players like me. Nothing but bad news on the Morrigan romance front. Looks like (1) we don't get to continue with our Origins character, and (2) due to a glitch (or maybe not), you don't even get a "Dark Haired Witch" epilogue for your Warden unless you followed a very narrow and exacting conversation thread in Origins.

I know me and the other Morrigan fans are clearly in the minority now, so not nearly as many as I thought are going to give a damn anyway. Oh well.

It appears the "I want to jump to something else crowd" are going to get what they want in DA2. Congratulations, I guess. If all is true, then Morrigan was the single worst piece of writing I have personally encountered in a game.

And since it appeaers Bioware is moving on, well, good for them. They still have a huge fan base for their games. It appears I'll be moving on as well. While a good game, I've spent enough money and time on a very frustrating storyline that ended with a slap in the face for all the effort put forth.

Peace to all.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 21 mars 2010 - 03:01 .

[Efesell]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

Well according to the Wiki entry on Awakenings, it is stated that Awakeings is probably the last Expansion for the Origins Warden.

Is this an official source or just some random editor.

[Barbarossa2010]

@Efesell,

It is a Wiki entry thus open to any editor's opinion of things. I've just been reading other posts and having watched BWs reponse (silence BTW) to the Morrigan glitch (well, we don't know if it's glitch or not) in Awakenings...well, some of us fanboys are just not full of confidence at this point and are pretty pissed at BW. So we're willing to believe anything bad at this point. We had a bad romance, why not a bad idea (for us anyway) for a sequel? We've been pretty well conditioned for bad news and getting kicked in the ba!!s.

The worse thing for us is to jump to new characters and a new time in a sequel. For us this would seem the appropriate thing for BW to do to the Morrigan fanboys at this point; kick us in the nads again.

I was really just expressing my opinion above if another's opinion ends up being true.

Take care.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 21 mars 2010 - 03:26 .

[Leifa]

Tooneyman wrote...

I'm sorry I really want to keep my character from the first game and I want to bring him or her to Dragon Age: Origins 2. I made love to Morrigan and I told Allister I was going to find her. I want my character to find her let me do this please. I would love it. I think the game would just plain stink if it didn't let me do this and I know this isn't Mass effect, but still I think it would make the next game mega awesomeness.

I completely agree. And allow me to post here an idea I proposed to someone on another thread who disagreed with us:


A possible sequel...

We know that Flemeth is an abomination. Initially, Morrigan obeys her mother and goes with the PC to get the essence of the Old God.
 
Morrigan learns of her mother’s plan to take her body. She asks us to kill Flemeth to buy her time. She knows that Flemeth will be back – that’s what abominations do, they look for a potential victim and possess it.
 
Morrigan realizes that the only way she can stop Flemeth from taken her body, is to be more powerful than her. 

On the other hand, the Architect has learned of Morrigan's child, which has the soul an old God and the blood of a Grey Warden. After she gave birth, he approached her and told that since her child has Grey warden blood and the essence of an Old God, he could use that child to lead the darkspawns and bring peace to his people.
 
Flemeth wants Morrigan. Her true plan was much deeper than we thought – in fact, what she wants is to inhabit the body of Morrigan’s child. Why? What do darkspawns look for, what is their obsession, why do they spend centuries digging? To find and follow an Old God – Flemeth wants that power over them and she’s an abomination capable of attaching itself to it’s very soul.


In DAO 2, Morrigan runs back to you for help. There are two possible scenarios.
 
If you killed the Architect, she now needs protection from Flemeth.
If you let the Architect live, the Architect signs you up to fight Flemeth.

Now the reason why Morrigan was so distant with the PC is that, by the end of Origins – when she tells you that she heard a rumour that Flemeth’s old grimoire was in the mage tower, it was the Architect, in fact, who had told her.
 
Because, if you ever read the books, you know that the Architect was once in the mage tower, and that he is an avid reader.   

So DA:O 2 could be an end of all blights by protecting Morrigan’s child who, if he/she turns out to be a good-hearted person, would bring peace to the Darspawns. Of course, that child may turn out to be not-so-nice, in which case, hello DA:O 3… But that story is to be told at another time.


With that idea, you could bring back Morrigan, Alistair, and everyone else if you wish, and add Anders and whoever else is new from another expansion pack.

And if BioWare brings them back, that would mean BIG revenues for the company.
 
And that’s just a few of my ideas, I’m sure the people at BioWare (namely David Gaider) could come up with a dozen better ones.
 Oh and if you didn't make the deal with Morrigan? No problemo, cause you see, she did the ritual with Riordan. But he died by falling, so the Grey Warden who killed the Archdemon took the hit as is usually the case, but the essence of the Old God still went to Morrigan as per her ritual.

[Fault Girl]

Leifa wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

I'm sorry I really want to keep my character from the first game and I want to bring him or her to Dragon Age: Origins 2. I made love to Morrigan and I told Allister I was going to find her. I want my character to find her let me do this please. I would love it. I think the game would just plain stink if it didn't let me do this and I know this isn't Mass effect, but still I think it would make the next game mega awesomeness.

I completely agree. And allow me to post here an idea I proposed to someone on another thread who disagreed with us:


A possible sequel...

We know that Flemeth is an abomination. Initially, Morrigan obeys her mother and goes with the PC to get the essence of the Old God.
 
Morrigan learns of her mother’s plan to take her body. She asks us to kill Flemeth to buy her time. She knows that Flemeth will be back – that’s what abominations do, they look for a potential victim and possess it.
 
Morrigan realizes that the only way she can stop Flemeth from taken her body, is to be more powerful than her. 

On the other hand, the Architect has learned of Morrigan's child, which has the soul an old God and the blood of a Grey Warden. After she gave birth, he approached her and told that since her child has Grey warden blood and the essence of an Old God, he could use that child to lead the darkspawns and bring peace to his people.
 
Flemeth wants Morrigan. Her true plan was much deeper than we thought – in fact, what she wants is to inhabit the body of Morrigan’s child. Why? What do darkspawns look for, what is their obsession, why do they spend centuries digging? To find and follow an Old God – Flemeth wants that power over them and she’s an abomination capable of attaching itself to it’s very soul.


In DAO 2, Morrigan runs back to you for help. There are two possible scenarios.
 
If you killed the Architect, she now needs protection from Flemeth.
If you let the Architect live, the Architect signs you up to fight Flemeth.

Now the reason why Morrigan was so distant with the PC is that, by the end of Origins – when she tells you that she heard a rumour that Flemeth’s old grimoire was in the mage tower, it was the Architect, in fact, who had told her.
 
Because, if you ever read the books, you know that the Architect was once in the mage tower, and that he is an avid reader.   

So DA:O 2 could be an end of all blights by protecting Morrigan’s child who, if he/she turns out to be a good-hearted person, would bring peace to the Darspawns. Of course, that child may turn out to be not-so-nice, in which case, hello DA:O 3… But that story is to be told at another time.


With that idea, you could bring back Morrigan, Alistair, and everyone else if you wish, and add Anders and whoever else is new from another expansion pack.

And if BioWare brings them back, that would mean BIG revenues for the company.
 
And that’s just a few of my ideas, I’m sure the people at BioWare (namely David Gaider) could come up with a dozen better ones.
 Oh and if you didn't make the deal with Morrigan? No problemo, cause you see, she did the ritual with Riordan. But he died by falling, so the Grey Warden who killed the Archdemon took the hit as is usually the case, but the essence of the Old God still went to Morrigan as per her ritual.

WOW! thats such a great idea, i'd be happy with that scenario! I just want my characters ending to be tied up in a neat bow. It was so abrupt and emotionless, i was like WTF?! Even if they dont let you import, theres gotta be at least one more expansion to tie up loose ends. My character just cant go AWOL without telling me, her creator! <_<

[Master Shiori]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I would prefer another expansion before the sequel.

I think this is pretty much what we will get in order to wrap up the "God child" storyline.

I believe it was said on these boards before that Bioware plans to release a 2 year worth of DLC and 2 expansions for current DA title.

Also, the way Awakening has ended, with the Warden Commander resigning and going off o parts unknown, it pretty much frees the character to go off in search of Morrigan outside Ferelden.

Or, at least that's what I'm hoping for...

[Behindyounow]

What if you didn't do the dark ritual? Are we shafted out of an expansion pack?

[jsachun]

No way Hosai Op. The Warden is gone. Capiche. Start new start fresh or they'll just have another disaster like ME2. New things will bring more interests.

[Behindyounow]

Nothing being imported with an air of ambiguity is better than a lame five minute cameo.

[Moongear]

i really like that ide drunkdeadman would love to play that.

i really think it would be cool to be in another country if you look of the world map not just ferelden you see that ferelden is really small and i would love maybe go to the free marshes or antiva too but orlai would be the best the entire orlisian system of politics and satus of you rank seems so cool.

[Master Shiori]

Behindyounow wrote...

What if you didn't do the dark ritual? Are we shafted out of an expansion pack?

You are already shafted in Awakening since your "dead" Warden miraculously came back to life.

Besides, doing the Dark Ritual and surviving the Archdemon has a lot more story potential then killing the big bad and kicking the bucket afterwards.

Bioware could easily let anyone who did the Dark Ritual import their characters and those who didn't do it can just start a new Warden. Same as in Awakening.

[blackeyes677]

Here's a scenario that nobody seems to have thought of. A the end of Origins, Sten says that he "will not seek you out on the battlefield" when his poeple invade. Stan knowns that lifespan of a Grey Warden, yet he also seems confident that they will invade before you go off to your calling. So maybe DA2 will take place with the Qunari invading the rest of Ferelden. This would give you the chance to import your Grey Warden OR start a new character (who doesn't even have to be a warden). Then you can go all over Ferelden, unite the land, ect.

[gotthammer]

I agree w/ the OP.

[Behindyounow]

Master Shiori wrote...

You are already shafted in Awakening since your "dead" Warden miraculously came back to life.

Besides, doing the Dark Ritual and surviving the Archdemon has a lot more story potential then killing the big bad and kicking the bucket afterwards.

Bioware could easily let anyone who did the Dark Ritual import their characters and those who didn't do it can just start a new Warden. Same as in Awakening.

Just because I didn't take the dark ritual doesn't mean my PC died. I got Loghain to take the sacrifice. Alistair was also King after I told him to man up.

See, both the PC and Alistair survive, without any help from Morrigan.

[Doyle41]

I would like Morrigan to seek my PC out to protect her baby from dark spawn and the Chantry. Fat chance. I think that future DA games will take place 20 to 30 years in the future with most GW companions heading for the Deep Roads. I could see a Qunari invasion or something in the future though.

[Cenwyn]

[quote]MEUTRIERE wrote...

I personally want some closure to my main PC.  The whole "Deòridh went back to court but eventually decided to leave and was never heard from again" epilogue sure as HELL doesn't cut it.  For one, I want to know why the hell she's leaving in the first place; my character knows her duties as Alistair's wife and wouldn't leave just because she 'got bored'.  Secondly, I want to know she eventually returns to Alistair's side.  I don't want to have worked through that whole relationship path just to have her go out on her own and leave for good.  <_<

I would like DA:O2 to feature my Warden because I've grown attached to her, but I don't want to have the same companions from DA:O.  Cameos (and relatively large ones, not like the Alistair or Wynne minute-long appearance in Awakening) from Alistair, Leliana, Sten, etc. would be wonderful, but I don't want to go through another adventure with the same exact people.  I want new companions to learn about and grow on me.  That said, however, I want them to be better executed than the characters in Awakening.  I blame how short the expansion was, but I didn't really care in the end about any of the characters.

_____________________________________________________________________________________-

Cenwyn posted:

I agree here. If my PC is in a relationship with Alistair I want to stay with him no matter what the situation is. My perfect fantasy world ending is both us die together somehow. Hard to continue alone on the path of fighter when you don't have your better half with you. New companions would be great but if you are in a relationship with Alistair whether you both are ruling or not you should be able to keep him at you side. I want my lucious, delectable manmeat  of a husband back with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In fact you should be able to have the option of whether or not you want Alistair on your new adventures in the sequel.  Only way I would ever hook up with someone else is if he would unfortunately die and I found someone else who could compare to him.

Also even the expansion was probably excuted and produce very quickly, please, please make it to where you get the same warmth and bond that you form with your companions in DAO, happen in the second DA  #2 sequel game. In Awakenings the friendship seem rather rigid, cold and unattached depite the high approval ratings.

Even though this is just a game, it really does make a difference when you are playing your character and you have tight bonds with all you comrades. It did for me and I really miss that closeness we all had.

Modifié par Cenwyn, 21 mars 2010 - 05:29 .

[Tooneyman]

Rapamaha1 wrote...

Id prefer a brand new character with new storyline set for about maybe 20 - 100 years after origins ? Id rather have it as a whole new game instead of nostalgia game "hi there, we havent seen in few years, no I wont come with you but wanna hack some stuff for me?"
so Instead of meeting old characters every once in a while Id rather would like to hear people telling storys about the 4th blight and bards singing about it, also this time I wouldnt want to be a warden anymore, give us something new, also being the ruler in awakening really could give bioware some ideas, I liked the idea that I would need to make decisions considering my land and upgrading my keep & soldiers, bioware could really expand that idea and make the upgrading & decisions matter
but well, If I wanted to make an wishlist it would be way too long so I stop here

This is not NWN 2 seriously if you want to do that so bad go play the game. I own that game and yes you can do all those things you are saying, but be warned the expansions suck.

Plus as I stated before. The child story has some serious conquences so if bioware didn't add it to the DA story. It would make no dang sense. I mean it seriously needs to be really though about. Plus its really not that hard to do an import. THough I think they should have your character go back down to a smaller level. Also this would work well, because they could say the taint is affecting your characters abiltiies, but later the story would change do to your characters emotions and the fact a new threate would occur.

Modifié par Tooneyman, 21 mars 2010 - 05:42 .

[Behindyounow]

If the antagonists of the next game aren't darkspawn, we shouldn't be able to import our Warden.

[Leifa]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

WOW! thats such a great idea, i'd be happy with that scenario! I just want my characters ending to be tied up in a neat bow. It was so abrupt and emotionless, i was like WTF?! Even if they dont let you import, theres gotta be at least one more expansion to tie up loose ends. My character just cant go AWOL without telling me, her creator! <_<

Thank you. That's kind of you to say.

Frankly, just like you, I just want to continue on with the characters I've come to know and love.
I've tried to start a Warden from Orlais, figured it would be easier as I would expect nothing, as far as continuation goes; but as soon as I was done speaking with King Alistair, I closed the game. It was just too weird after Origins to have him not know who I was.
I suppose it would be the same for the people who had a romance with any of the other characters, to have them look at you and speak as if you did not save the world with them.
Just felt wrong. 

My husband feels the same -- I practically had to force him to finish Awakenings, so we could discuss it. He was disappointed as well. He hasn't started another game yet either. 

Awakening is a nice expansion, if lacking a bit of polish; but Origins has touched us so deeply that, without our favorite companions, you're left with this empty feeling inside.

/sigh 

[Fault Girl]

Leifa wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

WOW! thats such a great idea, i'd be happy with that scenario! I just want my characters ending to be tied up in a neat bow. It was so abrupt and emotionless, i was like WTF?! Even if they dont let you import, theres gotta be at least one more expansion to tie up loose ends. My character just cant go AWOL without telling me, her creator! <_<

Thank you. That's kind of you to say.

Frankly, just like you, I just want to continue on with the characters I've come to know and love.
I've tried to start a Warden from Orlais, figured it would be easier as I would expect nothing, as far as continuation goes; but as soon as I was done speaking with King Alistair, I closed the game. It was just too weird after Origins to have him not know who I was.
I suppose it would be the same for the people who had a romance with any of the other characters, to have them look at you and speak as if you did not save the world with them.
Just felt wrong. 

My husband feels the same -- I practically had to force him to finish Awakenings, so we could discuss it. He was disappointed as well. He hasn't started another game yet either. 

Awakening is a nice expansion, if lacking a bit of polish; but Origins has touched us so deeply that, without our favorite companions, you're left with this empty feeling inside.

/sigh 

Again, i agree. It felt really disjointed, more like a side quest than a conclusion. The ending felt rushed too. I think if they intended for the  possible DA 2 they would have sorted out the ending, if they don't I probably won't bother with Awakening as the ending for Origins though lacking a good conclusion is better than my character randomly going away for no apparent reason. Just have to wait and see. I just want it to be wrapped up much better if so. 

[Leifa]

ZombieGeisha wrote...

Leifa wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

WOW! thats such a great idea, i'd be happy with that scenario! I just want my characters ending to be tied up in a neat bow. It was so abrupt and emotionless, i was like WTF?! Even if they dont let you import, theres gotta be at least one more expansion to tie up loose ends. My character just cant go AWOL without telling me, her creator! <_<

Thank you. That's kind of you to say.

Frankly, just like you, I just want to continue on with the characters I've come to know and love.
I've tried to start a Warden from Orlais, figured it would be easier as I would expect nothing, as far as continuation goes; but as soon as I was done speaking with King Alistair, I closed the game. It was just too weird after Origins to have him not know who I was.
I suppose it would be the same for the people who had a romance with any of the other characters, to have them look at you and speak as if you did not save the world with them.
Just felt wrong. 

My husband feels the same -- I practically had to force him to finish Awakenings, so we could discuss it. He was disappointed as well. He hasn't started another game yet either. 

Awakening is a nice expansion, if lacking a bit of polish; but Origins has touched us so deeply that, without our favorite companions, you're left with this empty feeling inside.

/sigh 

Again, i agree. It felt really disjointed, more like a side quest than a conclusion. The ending felt rushed too. I think if they intended for the  possible DA 2 they would have sorted out the ending, if they don't I probably won't bother with Awakening as the ending for Origins though lacking a good conclusion is better than my character randomly going away for no apparent reason. Just have to wait and see. I just want it to be wrapped up much better if so. 

It's complicated. I wouldn't advice against buying Awakening for 2 reasons:
 
1 - If you import a character from DA:O, it's a nice expansion even if you miss your companions. But there are many good things about Awakenings, old NPCs we loved, some of the new companions are absolutely amazing. If you're a true fan, buy it, you won't regret it. And you need to know what happens, and live it, in case the next one is a following, with the continuation we want.
2 - Let's help them pay for the next one. Lower revenues with anything pertaining to DA:O might mean that the "bean counters" as another called them, might get scared. Not good. 

just my opinion.  

[Ceridraen]

Leifa wrote...

ZombieGeisha wrote...

WOW! thats such a great idea, i'd be happy with that scenario! I just want my characters ending to be tied up in a neat bow. It was so abrupt and emotionless, i was like WTF?! Even if they dont let you import, theres gotta be at least one more expansion to tie up loose ends. My character just cant go AWOL without telling me, her creator! <_<

Thank you. That's kind of you to say.

Frankly, just like you, I just want to continue on with the characters I've come to know and love.
I've tried to start a Warden from Orlais, figured it would be easier as I would expect nothing, as far as continuation goes; but as soon as I was done speaking with King Alistair, I closed the game. It was just too weird after Origins to have him not know who I was.
I suppose it would be the same for the people who had a romance with any of the other characters, to have them look at you and speak as if you did not save the world with them.
Just felt wrong. 

My husband feels the same -- I practically had to force him to finish Awakenings, so we could discuss it. He was disappointed as well. He hasn't started another game yet either. 

Awakening is a nice expansion, if lacking a bit of polish; but Origins has touched us so deeply that, without our favorite companions, you're left with this empty feeling inside.

/sigh 

That's how I felt, too.  I could have liked some of these characters a lot - but they didn't seem personal to MY character. And this running off for no reason - ugh! I hate that!  

[Ghostano]

Maria Caliban wrote...

1. They're doing a second xpac.
2. There will be no Dragon Age: Origins 2, just DA2 with whatever subtitle they give it.
3. It is unlikely they’ll have us play the same PC in DA2.

 Ok something I was never sure about does the "Origins" in the title refer to the chacter the player plays or the general story of the grey wardens and darkspawn?

 Not trying to ask a dumb question so sorry if it has been asked and answered many many times before.